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   <title><![CDATA[So very, very tired : But do you know what I think is...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17548">Rachael21</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 4:31pm<br /><br />But do you know what I think is the saddest part, these kids are going to grow up and do the same thing so its a neverending cycle. Unfortunately foster homes aren't much better, these people need to be stopped before having access to kids, every parent should have to do a parenting course. ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[So very, very tired :   ginger wrote:I say sterilise...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19393">MrsMojo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 2:13pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by ginger" alt="Originally posted by ginger" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>ginger wrote:</strong><br /><br />I say sterilise them, every one of them responsible for hurting their babies intentionally, no exceptions, and throw them in jail to rot.  Or, even better, send them to prison in Singapore.</td></tr></table><br /><br />Or take their babies off them at birth - no second chances - and give them to parents who can't concieve yet would love and cherish a child as they deserve to be.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[So very, very tired :   ginger wrote:All that anti-smacking...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18013">peanut butter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 1:33pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by ginger" alt="Originally posted by ginger" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>ginger wrote:</strong><br /><br />All that anti-smacking law does is prevent good parents from disciplining their children.<br /><br />Hehe.  A friend of mine had a good idea - he was with his grandchildren and one of them was playing up merry hell.  The little boy stood his ground and told his grandfather that he couldn't do anything to him because he wasn't allowed to smack.  Sooo, his grandfather told him that was quite right, but he could always fail to stop the little boy's older brother from thumping him <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0">  Apparently the rest of the afternoon out was much more pleasant <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif" border="0"></td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />I like it!!!!! As for the rest of your post. I wholeheartedly agree....if only we could sterilise them BEFORE they had their first!!!!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4856">my4beauties</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 1:32pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by ginger" alt="Originally posted by ginger" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>ginger wrote:</strong><br /><br />All that anti-smacking law does is prevent good parents from disciplining their children.<br /><br /></td></tr></table><br /><br />And make good parents criminals.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=648">Paws</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 1:25pm<br /><br />Oh bollocks your post made me cry....I hate what is happening to our children!!!<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[So very, very tired : Agreed, especially for those that...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2">Guests</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 1:23pm<br /><br />Agreed, especially for those that are struggling to start a family.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10411">caraMel</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 1:22pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by ginger" alt="Originally posted by ginger" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>ginger wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br /><br />I say sterilise them, every one of them responsible for hurting their babies intentionally, no exceptions, and throw them in jail to rot.  Or, even better, send them to prison in Singapore.<br /><br />IMHO</td></tr></table><br /><br />Hear, hear! It just makes me so sick thinking about the precious kids who don't even get a chance at life because they were unfortunate enough to be born to BAD parents.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16201">ginger</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 1:16pm<br /><br />The Herald online.  I suppose I shouldn't really call it 'the paper'  ... should call it 'the computer screen' <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18291">youngmumnz</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 1:16pm<br /><br />What paper was that in?? thats sick how people do that! haha i agree with the send them to singapore jails! would be funny to have a camera in there and watch them get beatin see how they feel maybe they will see how there children feel thats if they even care though.<br />so sad :( poor kids]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17613">Parki</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 1:09pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by ginger" alt="Originally posted by ginger" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>ginger wrote:</strong><br /><br />I say sterilise them, every one of them responsible for hurting their babies intentionally, no exceptions, and throw them in jail to rot.  Or, even better, send them to prison in Singapore.<br /><br />IMHO</td></tr></table><br /><br />Agreed!]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[So very, very tired : All that anti-smacking law does...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16201">ginger</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 12:57pm<br /><br />All that anti-smacking law does is prevent good parents from disciplining their children.<br /><br />Hehe.  A friend of mine had a good idea - he was with his grandchildren and one of them was playing up merry hell.  The little boy stood his ground and told his grandfather that he couldn't do anything to him because he wasn't allowed to smack.  Sooo, his grandfather told him that was quite right, but he could always fail to stop the little boy's older brother from thumping him <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0">  Apparently the rest of the afternoon out was much more pleasant <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10213">nictoddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 12:55pm<br /><br />not cool, kids are so defenseless and to do what they do to them they so do not deserve them!!! big hugs ginger I hope that you dreams are fullfilled and the it happens for you soon<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[So very, very tired : Grrrrrr!!! Makes me sooo soo angry...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4856">my4beauties</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 12:33pm<br /><br />Grrrrrr!!!<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0"> Makes me sooo soo angry as well!!!  I know toddlers/3 yrs olds can be hard to deal with, but SERIOUSLY!!!  They're helpless!!!<br /><br />What also gets me is this probably wasn't the first time he was abused, it could have been going on for months.<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0"> <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0"> <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif" border="0"> <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif" border="0"> <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0"> <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0"> <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0"> <br /><br />SEE SUE BRADFORD!  Your anti-smacking LAW DOES NOT prevent CHILD ABUSE!!]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[So very, very tired : Wasn&amp;#039;t the child who died...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17921">.Mel</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 12:10pm<br /><br />Wasn't the child who died today in foster care too?  Just watching the news at the moment.  Either way I don't understand it either.  So wrong.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10278">james</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 12:07pm<br /><br />i,m with you guys it just dont,st seem very fair<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17523">Jay_R</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 12:03pm<br /><br />Me either <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0"> <br /><br />I remember hearing on the news a while back that those animals who killed Nia Glassie would do all those horrific things to her because, and I QUOTE " she had an ugly face" <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0"> <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0"> <br /><br />I just can't bear what is happening.  Every time I watch the news and hear more tales of murdered babies I just sob my heart out, and hold my little one closer.  I can truly understand how this must make you feel Ginger....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18889">popcorn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 11:59am<br /><br />sickos]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16201">ginger</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 11:57am<br /><br />I just don't understand how they can do it.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[So very, very tired : I totally know what you mean Ginger...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17523">Jay_R</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 11:56am<br /><br />I totally know what you mean Ginger - I feel so very very sad and angry everytime a baby/child is murdered.  It feels like it is occuring almost on a weekly basis at the moment.<br /><br />I wish people like us who love our babies and would never hurt them, were all able to reproduce rampantly, and those horrific monsters who keep killing "our" babies all had their private parts turn gangrenous and fall off.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17770">CuriousG</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 11:51am<br /><br />I agree.  I feel for you Ginger and it sucks that good people are fighting to have children and those who have them easily, aren't looking after them.  ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16201">ginger</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16448<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 April 2008 at 11:48am<br /><br />I know that most of you, being parents, will find it hard to reconcile as well, but I've just seen in the paper this morning that yet another child has died of unexplained injuries.  <br /><br />Here I am, fighting tooth and nail to have a child to cherish, and parents every week are abusing and killing theirs.<br /><br />I say sterilise them, every one of them responsible for hurting their babies intentionally, no exceptions, and throw them in jail to rot.  Or, even better, send them to prison in Singapore.<br /><br />IMHO<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by ginger</span>]]>
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