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   <title><![CDATA[Need help - flying : Yip they were done all over NZ....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17622">sparkle</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 April 2008 at 10:37am<br /><br />Yip they were done all over NZ.  From memory we had to book in fairly early.<br /><br />It was great.  We went over all the "theory" facts etc, breathing techniques, we went thru customs etc and went thru the Engineers hanger and up into a 747 they were stripping down. <br /><br />They've got a website, just Google FLying without Fear or Grant Amos]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Need help - flying : so it was worth it sparkle? my...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18396">ElfsMum</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 April 2008 at 8:48am<br /><br />so it was worth it sparkle? my family in the airforce so i used to love it..it all changed when we went to America (something happened on the flight ) and it went downhill from there.. hmm might be worth me looking into it then. do they do them at all airports?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17622">sparkle</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 10:49pm<br /><br />I've done the course, from memory it was about $800, Monday-Thursday 6.00pm till about 11.00pm and then a flight down to Wellington and back on Saturday morning.<br /><br />Best money I've spent!<br /><br />I went from being a confident flyer to a nervous wreck after 9/11 and back to a confident flyer (keeping positive, keeping positive...............)]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Need help - flying : oh thanks heaps for that link....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16223">my2angels</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 9:01pm<br /><br />oh thanks heaps for that link. I never thought to buy a book on it, didnt even think that there might be books available. will have to do some investigating]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18781">ItchyFeet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 8:48pm<br /><br />I have clocked up an enormous amount of airmiles (hence my name), I love flying and yet I still get scared.  I always carry Rescue Remedy, and even if it's only a placebo effect, it works.  There's also one specifically for flying but you'd have to ask the health store which one.  <br /><br />One thing I do recommend to everyone is trying to get a copy of a book called <a href="http://www.amaz&#111;n.co.uk/Flying-Book-Everything-W&#111;ndered-Airlines/dp/0140297871/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209371334&sr=8-1" target="_blank">The Flying Book</a>.  I've included the link because it shows snippets of the book, especially where it explains the fact that flying through the air is like flying through liquid. Air is basically water, sometimes dense, constantly moving etc.  When it gets bumpy up in the air, I visualise the plane flying through water.  The bumps are just where the water is moving a bit faster or over objects in the water, and all you're doing is literally swimming with the current.  The book also explains the concepts of airpockets (basically they can't exist, just as you can't get "water" pockets in a body of water, given that air is liquid".<br /><br />I don't like turbulence either, but it's perfectly safe, and remember the pilots are doing everything they can to minimise flying through it because they know passengers don't like it.  Planes are meant to flex and the sounds and movements you hear are just the plane doing exactly what it's designed for.  It's just that we don't fly every day like we drive and therefore we're not used to it.<br /><br />ETA I've just searched on Ferrit and you can buy it for about $30, way cheaper than the Air NZ course. <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by ItchyFeet</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16223">my2angels</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 3:56pm<br /><br />Thanks Paws. Ive thought about those courses but Ive been told they are expensive. I have had therapy as in anxiety treatment for it and i know what i have to do to calm myself in the air etc... but the problem is that sort of thing I need to concentrate on myself which is not a happening thing with the kids.<br />I want to do this, but im so close to saying no Im not going. I just cant picture myself getting on the plane let alone what happens with turbulence.<br />Normally i book the seats up the front but now I cant do that which sucks.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10327">kellverona</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 3:02pm<br /><br /><P>Wow, there are other people like me out there.. Im petrafied too and we are going to OZ in August...&nbsp; last time I flew my whole body was just wet with perspiration cos I was sooooo nervous.. and every little bump scares me something big... Those courses sound good.. that Paws mentioned...</P><P>Good luck my2angels.. I know the feeling...&nbsp; Hope you can get something to help you and would love to know how it goes.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=648">Paws</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 2:46pm<br /><br />PS: When you make the booking...make sure your fear is noted so that the crew are aware. If you are flying Air NZ let me know and I'll make sure it gets noted. ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Need help - flying : Sweetie have you considered doing...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=648">Paws</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 2:45pm<br /><br />Sweetie have you considered doing a fear of flying course? From what I've heard they are very worth while and once you  graduate will also give you a membership number that gives you preferential seating in the plane for where is best for you to feel calm.<br /><br />Just an idea.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Need help - flying : yay for the trip robyn!! i&amp;#039;m...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=993">jack_&_charli</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 2:16pm<br /><br />yay for the trip robyn!! i'm so jealous!<br /><br />i'm sure kobe's excitement will be passed on to addison so you don't need to worry about her, just focus on yourself.  i'd get some sort of 'pill' or something to help you relax though, just in case addison does get worried about you<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0"> <br /><br />i'm not a great flyer either.  on our honeymoon we got some terrible turbulence on the way home and i was convinced we were going to die!  DH just got me another bourbon and that helped<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19559">MissCassie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 2:08pm<br /><br />I love flying <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0"> I've been flying since I was a little girl, both accompanied and not, and I've never had any problems. <br />Funny considering my mother is terrified of it. Shes prescribed Valium for flights when necessary, but rescue remedy is also helpful as far as i can tell. <br /><br />You could try getting very late flights so the children sleep through, giving you more time to concentrate on calming yourself down, and if its necessary the sedative will be easier with not having to worry about the children. Good luck and enjoy yourself <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17430">mummy_becks</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 2:06pm<br /><br /><P align=left>I honestly couldn't tell why I like it, I don't know if its because I took my first flight at 7 days old and did it very regularly until I was 4. Maybe its the feeling of taking off that I like.</P><P align=left>The fact that I know i'm going to see people when I get there is a good thing for me.</P><P align=left>I am a bit nervous about this flight thou coming up. It's me and the boys and if anything goes wrong it is just me (but don't worry about me).</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Need help - flying : my2angels...im the same as you.....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18396">ElfsMum</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 2:03pm<br /><br />my2angels...im the same as you.. i dont like flying..i used to have to 6 times a year and hated every second..but i would just use my walkman or anything with noise as soon as i was allowed..every bump worried me..weirdly i dont think I'll worry so much with Ethan if we ever fly (unlikely seeing as DH hardly ever flies and has never been out of the country) ..i guess I'd just say what the others said Kobe will be fine.. and Dh and Addison too probably.. and just think how much they will love it and talk about it for weeks to come and how you will have given them a great experience and the joy of knowing you havent passed on your fear..<br /><br />but i totally understand i was a nervous wreck with panic attacks a week before i had to go and 2 days before i had to go back everytime..and i flew on sept 12 2001 (stupid stupid me):) ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Need help - flying : big hug hun i,m flying to perth...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10278">james</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 2:01pm<br /><br />big hug hun i,m flying to perth with james in oct and am a bit rattled by it the thing that gets me thur is getting to perth and the wicked time we are going to have there big hugs<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 1:30pm<br /><br />They didn't panic, I could just tell they were nervous! And it was a freak incident - the worst storm to hit in God knows how many years AND we were fine! ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17622">sparkle</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 1:11pm<br /><br />I was a terribly anxious flyer (I say WAS as I'm off again in 2 weeks and have to be positive!<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0"> )<br /><br />I've found flying with Cooper takes my mind off it.<br /><br />I also recommend Weleda Fragador Tablets, they apparantly calm the nerves.  I take them like m&ms!!  Don't care if they do nothing at all, it's all in my mind!!!!<br /><br />And remember, we only ever hear about plane "crashes" not the hundreds of thousands of plane "landings" every year!!!  <br /><br />Good on you for going!!!  I'm sure you'll have a great time.]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16223">my2angels</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 1:10pm<br /><br />Emma!!!!!! you have just made me feel worse! OMG what if we fly through a storm, I would be a total mess. I rely on the crew to be nice and calm, it they panicked then I would just loose it.<br /><br />Becks see this is what i dont get, whats to like about flying? Seriously I would love to know what it is people like about flying so i can pretend thats what i like aswell and maybe that will make be feel better. The only good thing about flying that i can see is that you are getting somewhere exciting but that doesnt actaully help with the flying side of it<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by my2angels</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19393">MrsMojo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 12:57pm<br /><br />Oh dear.  I think you need to see your doctor about getting some pills to take before setting off - maybe start taking them now<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"> <br /><br />I'm sure Kobe and you DH's enthusiasm will be enough to dispell any fears projected on Addison.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 12:55pm<br /><br />The kids will be fine Robyn, and good on you for facing your fears!<br />I too am an incredibly anxious flyer, despite how often I fly, and the funny thing is that Maya LOVES flying, she hasn't picked up on any of my anxieties at all. In fact, on one of our worst flights we flew in thru a storm that cut power to all of Akld for nearly 24 hours (June '06, some of you may remember the chaos it caused) and I was literally saying my prayers, even the crew were nervous and Maya was going "wheeee, bumpies Mummy!"<br />I would recommend Travelcalm before you go, it will help calm your nerves, and maybe some Rescue Remedy too. If you are really, really anxious, your doc can prescribe a sedative, but that's never been an option for me coz I'm usually on my own with the kids.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17430">mummy_becks</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 12:54pm<br /><br /><P align=left>I love flying and am so looking forward to going overseas in September.</P><P align=left>Kobe is good so you don't have to worry about him, focus your attention on Addison, playing with her and settling her.</P><P align=left>Don't know if you can, but let the staff know your fear and they maybe able to help you as well.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17969">cuppatea</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 12:52pm<br /><br /><img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0"> I thought I was bad with flying.<br />Obviously Kobe wants to go so that's great, you won't know whether Addison likes flying or not until she has been able to experience it herself.<br /><br />Someone I worked with once told me you are more likely to be kicked to death by a donkey than have a plane crash (not sure if that helps or not).]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16223">my2angels</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 16726<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 April 2008 at 12:48pm<br /><br />Hubby and I have decided to go to Aussie for a week end of May. Many of you may remember I am a terrible flyer, claustrophobic and just generally and anxious person so please reasure me Im not being mean and harming my children by making them fly. What if Addison hates it and Ive been teh one to do that to her. Kobe has flown a few times before and is desperate to go on a plane so im not to worried about him. and what if we crash then Ive killed my babies. And thats not even touching on my own flying issues. how do I make myself not panick.  We only decided to go last night and ive already had a few panick attacks about it and feel totally sick but I dont want to not go and hold my family back from what would be a great time.<br />Does anyone actually enjoy flying? Is it ok to just go for it without thinking to much about what i could be doing to the children?<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by my2angels</span>]]>
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