OHbaby! Forums : National or Labour? https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 29 Apr 2026 15:21:15 +0000 Fri, 09 Jul 2021 18:55:52 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.05 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=17489 <![CDATA[OHbaby! Forums]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Who knows where I can read the...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=5916215&title=national-or-labour#5916215 Author: Gaven267804
Subject: 17489
Posted: 09 July 2021 at 6:55pm

Who knows where I can read the writings of Andrew Jackson?]]> Fri, 09 Jul 2021 18:55:52 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=5916215&title=national-or-labour#5916215 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I wish I had seen that John Campbell...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393388&title=national-or-labour#393388 Author: kebakat
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 8:44pm

I wish I had seen that John Campbell interview! I agree though he does make a lot of statements with no backup whatsoever. But neither does anyone else in his party. ]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 20:44:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393388&title=national-or-labour#393388 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I&#039;m a labour supporter from...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393365&title=national-or-labour#393365 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 8:31pm

I'm a labour supporter from waaay back. I would consider voting national this election, maybe, except I just don't like John "Slimy" Key. I think he is too green (new) and to me, he is just a puppet for the party, he dosen't seem to have any ideas of his own? or any backup for his ideas? John Campbell got him a good one the other night.]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 20:31:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393365&title=national-or-labour#393365 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : So how many years was it that...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393325&title=national-or-labour#393325 Author: linda
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 8:12pm

So how many years was it that Labour said there would be no tax cuts....about 9 maybe? Then National seem to be ahead in the polls, National have said there will be tax cuts and what do you know...tax cuts that start just before the elections.

And why would National want to announce their tax cuts on Close Up, or Campbell live or breakfast...like one of those programmes are going to get the scoop.

And yes, Petrol prices sure are increasing but then considering petrol has such high taxes on petrol the government just ends up getting more money via the taxes.

I love election year!]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 20:12:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393325&title=national-or-labour#393325 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : nikkiwhyte wrote:I don&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393138&title=national-or-labour#393138 Author: Henna79
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 3:29pm

Originally posted by nikkiwhyte nikkiwhyte wrote:

I don't know why people are bringing the repeal of s.59 into this discussion.

1. It was a Green party bill
2. It didn't aim to 'stop child abuse' but just remove the defence of 'reasonable force' for those that were charged. It isn't a social policy - it is the removal of a clause in a statute!

Yes Labour supported it. But that was probably because it was one of the conditions of the Greens joining them in coalition. If anyone recalls, it was mighty close last election and Labour needed the Green's support to govern.



Maybe people bring it up because Labour are the figurehead of the govt and so nothing goes through without them. ]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 15:29:46 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393138&title=national-or-labour#393138 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : You took the words right out of...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393096&title=national-or-labour#393096 Author: caraMel
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 2:13pm

You took the words right out of my mouth Nikki, and phrased them a heck of a lot better!]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 14:13:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393096&title=national-or-labour#393096 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I don&#039;t know why people are...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393090&title=national-or-labour#393090 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 1:58pm

I don't know why people are bringing the repeal of s.59 into this discussion.

1. It was a Green party bill
2. It didn't aim to 'stop child abuse' but just remove the defence of 'reasonable force' for those that were charged. It isn't a social policy - it is the removal of a clause in a statute!

Yes Labour supported it. But that was probably because it was one of the conditions of the Greens joining them in coalition. If anyone recalls, it was mighty close last election and Labour needed the Green's support to govern.]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 13:58:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393090&title=national-or-labour#393090 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Maya wrote:Not because they...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393013&title=national-or-labour#393013 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 11:47am

Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Not because they are a Maori party, more coz I don't think you can take a bunch of social misfits, ex-crims and career protestors and call them a political party.


Proves anyone can be a politician under MMP ]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 11:47:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=393013&title=national-or-labour#393013 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : lilfatty wrote: Maybe I will...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392996&title=national-or-labour#392996 Author: Maya
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 11:06am

Originally posted by lilfatty lilfatty wrote:


Maybe I will just vote the greens on behalf of Willie


*giggle*

He'll probably vote Maori tho if he votes at all, just to pee me off. He knows they are the one party I can't stand.

Not because they are a Maori party, more coz I don't think you can take a bunch of social misfits, ex-crims and career protestors and call them a political party.]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 11:06:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392996&title=national-or-labour#392996 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : emz wrote:[I think anyone on...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392987&title=national-or-labour#392987 Author: lilfatty
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 10:57am

Originally posted by emz emz wrote:

[I think anyone on at least 30k can have a family, it takes sacrifices but its not the govt's fault that you choose that.


I would find it amazing any family in Auckland bringing up a family on $30,000 ... if they are, they arent eating or driving ... or paying rent for that matter.

My rent alone is nearly that amount!

And a big chunk of those families on 30k would be getting government help to bring up the children that they chose to have, which would bring there income up to near what mine is....so I can see where Henna79 is coming from.

In theory my taxes are help bringing up other peoples kids! I could do with my tax to bring up my own.]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 10:57:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392987&title=national-or-labour#392987 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : According the the latest tax cuts...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392982&title=national-or-labour#392982 Author: .Mel
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 10:53am

According the the latest tax cuts and our income, we will get an extra $16!  That doesn't even buy Cooper's formula, and it doesn't even buy the bulk nappies that we get from Nappies for Less.

If National want my vote they better come up with something better than $16!

]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 10:53:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392982&title=national-or-labour#392982 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I understand where you are coming...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392977&title=national-or-labour#392977 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 10:46am

I understand where you are coming from Henna79,

DH and I are in the middle income bracket, which means we pay for everything, we have a mortgage to pay, we don't qualify for any benefits, and we earn 4K above the maximum thresh hold for WFF.

We are fortunate that we live in an area of NZ where housing is cheap. I would hate to be trying to survive on our wage in Wellington or Auckland.

And as for paying more tax its the principle of it, higher income workers pay the most tax, and don't get any benefit for it, it all goes on beneficiaries and lower income earners.
]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 10:46:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392977&title=national-or-labour#392977 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I agree with you Heather... ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392976&title=national-or-labour#392976 Author: LJsmum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 10:45am

I agree with you Heather... ]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 10:45:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392976&title=national-or-labour#392976 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : emz wrote: just to get a on...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392960&title=national-or-labour#392960 Author: Henna79
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 10:17am

Originally posted by emz emz wrote:

[QUOTE=Henna79] just to get a on the money bandwagon a bit DH said to me today something re tax and better earning jobs. He has a good paying job but nearly half goes in tax so we end up being in the same position as people who earn less but because we earn more we get no benefits. Meaning that we struggle just as much but get no help from anyone all because he has a better paying job. Thats kinda stink if you ask me as he ends up paying for others to survive.


I don't understand how this can be right? My mum is in the highest tax bracket but is definitely a lot better off than someone earning half her income as they still have to pay tax too...




We are a young couple starting out.   That really should say it all. ]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 10:17:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392960&title=national-or-labour#392960 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : hmmm ECE... dont start me they...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392928&title=national-or-labour#392928 Author: LJsmum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 9:39am

[QUOTE=foxxy_one]
hmmm ECE... dont start me they did all that but didnt provide more centres..now there is nowhere for the kids to go and the policy of 20 free hours is awful... great for parents ...totally awful for centres:( i dislike it when govts make decisions FOR me like smacking...:( find it really crappy they don't listen to the general public and that it isn't going to help who they want it too:(



I agree 20 free hours is a complete shambles and isn't working for many families. Or centres. I work in ECE and so many centres in Auckland can't afford to offer it.

What i meant about Labour doing better for ECE is that they took it ECE out of the care/social welfare sector and put it in Education sector. They have achieved pay parity for early childhood kindy teachers with primary and have improved regs regarding teachers needing to be qualifed to teach.
I think Labour has more of afocus on ECE than National and most of my collegues agree that under Labour ECE is better off in may ways. They have provided more centres and the scholarships to fund study to get qualifed staff. There is a shortage of qualifed, fully reg, good, experienced teachers. But under Labour this is improving.

As for the smacking bill ... has it stopped child abuse NO! ]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 09:39:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392928&title=national-or-labour#392928 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : my dad lost his job in the eightys...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392876&title=national-or-labour#392876 Author: james
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 8:03am

my dad lost his job in the eightys when national were in power they sold the railway and hunreds o pople lost there jobs my dad being one what makes us think they cwont do that again.   past behavior by this party only shows that they are not turst worthy and the araeve amiliy will pay for them being in power ]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 08:03:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392876&title=national-or-labour#392876 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : John Key has started to annoy...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392871&title=national-or-labour#392871 Author: kebakat
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 7:43am

John Key has started to annoy the crap out of me since the budget came out. I think HC had it right when she said something like Bill English will have a massive headache with his leader going on how hes going to beat labours tax cuts easily and Bill still has to figure out how the hell to do it.

I don't think National are releasing any of their policies cause they know that they are doing good in the polls at the moment and once ppl know what they are going to do that might change a lot.]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 07:43:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392871&title=national-or-labour#392871 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : emz wrote: Henna79 wrote:just...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392870&title=national-or-labour#392870 Author: kebakat
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 7:40am

Originally posted by emz emz wrote:

Originally posted by Henna79 Henna79 wrote:

just to get a on the money bandwagon a bit DH said to me today something re tax and better earning jobs. He has a good paying job but nearly half goes in tax so we end up being in the same position as people who earn less but because we earn more we get no benefits. Meaning that we struggle just as much but get no help from anyone all because he has a better paying job. Thats kinda stink if you ask me as he ends up paying for others to survive.


I don't understand how this can be right? My mum is in the highest tax bracket but is definitely a lot better off than someone earning half her income as they still have to pay tax too...


Agreed, my MIL/FIL and BIL are both in the highest tax bracket and they are waaaay better off than say us. BIL has a massive mortgage like many ppl but he still manages to save an incredible amount and live a pretty sweet as lifestyle. ]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 07:40:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392870&title=national-or-labour#392870 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : As far as tax brackets are concerned...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392857&title=national-or-labour#392857 Author: Jennz
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 12:30am

As far as tax brackets are concerned as well- its only the income over and above $60,000 that is taxed at that higher rate. You pay 19.5% on everything up to $38,000(just like every other person in that tax bracket), 33% on everything from $38k up to $60k and 39% on anything over that. I see what your saying though once you take into consideration benefits. But it is about bridging the gap- Its the role of every responsible society that they look after those less fortunate. Unfortunately we live in such a selfish society that most people would never voluntarily help so we have 'enforced' charity (tax) so that the we can try to improve our society as a whole.

The problem is- stances like that don't win elections. People don't care about helping those less fortunate- its all about what they can get for themselves, eg tax cuts, so I totally expect National to win this coming election. Its just a shame as I worry about the cost to our country as a whole. National governments always always run at a deficit, our unemployment levels sky rocket and when that happens our crime rates go up. Money gets sucked out of education, welfare and health to fund the huge amounts of money it takes to give the giant higher income and corporate tax cuts they always offer and the whole country goes down the toilet sigh.]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 00:30:46 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392857&title=national-or-labour#392857 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Henna79 wrote:just to get a...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392852&title=national-or-labour#392852 Author: emz
Subject: 17489
Posted: 24 May 2008 at 12:03am

Originally posted by Henna79 Henna79 wrote:

just to get a on the money bandwagon a bit DH said to me today something re tax and better earning jobs. He has a good paying job but nearly half goes in tax so we end up being in the same position as people who earn less but because we earn more we get no benefits. Meaning that we struggle just as much but get no help from anyone all because he has a better paying job. Thats kinda stink if you ask me as he ends up paying for others to survive.


I don't understand how this can be right? My mum is in the highest tax bracket but is definitely a lot better off than someone earning half her income as they still have to pay tax too...


I think anyone on at least 30k can have a family, it takes sacrifices but its not the govt's fault that you choose that. We have been skint for years to make sure we can live on one income to have a family. We bought a cheap house, I got a part-time job at nights as well as my other part-time job and we make do (only just). Like someone said above, the rising cost of living is not the govt's fault, its world-wide inflation.

If anyone saw HC on breakfast today, you'll notice how she was all about families, and she basically said if the singles are complaining about how they're going to move o'seas then so be it as most eventually come home when they have families as you are usually better off here with all the various benefits (eg education and healthcare) we have to offer in NZ.

John Key grates me. What a twit. 'Nz'ers will be better off under National' Reporter: How much? 'We won't, and can't say yet as we have to work the figures'. Plus he also mentioned about taking money from other areas to fund the tax cuts. Good on you John, you're a real winner in life It's the old fish syndrome (they have really short memories in case you didn't know).... 'argh, I'm in a bowl... argh, I'm in a bowl....' ]]> Sat, 24 May 2008 00:03:46 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392852&title=national-or-labour#392852 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I can&#039;t stand Uncle Helen,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392826&title=national-or-labour#392826 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 10:56pm

I can't stand Uncle Helen, she cost my husband his career. The Army does well under Labour, the Airforce and the Navy don't.
We don't qualify for any assistance with anything as we earn too much money, 'yeah right'

I'm feed up with being stuck in the middle and having to pay for everything and not getting any help.

We can't afford to have children, let alone feed ourselves and fill the car with petrol.

Labour have had 9 years of telling us how to live our lives, time to make our own decisions.

I'll be voting for Simon Power and am waiting to see National's policy.]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 22:56:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392826&title=national-or-labour#392826 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Ive always been a Labour supporter...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392788&title=national-or-labour#392788 Author: lilfatty
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:40pm

Ive always been a Labour supporter ... but I dont know who's family they are working for as its definately not mine!

Grates me that Im apparently far too wealthy to get some form of assistance

I recall at the last election ACT's policies would have been really beneficial to me but I always believed that you should vote for the party who will look after those that cant look after themselves.... however if they arent helping me (and my family is a single income supporting two adults and a child) there must be lots of people out there in never never land.

Maybe I will just vote the greens on behalf of Willie ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 21:40:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392788&title=national-or-labour#392788 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I must admit having previously...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392709&title=national-or-labour#392709 Author: Maya
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 8:45pm

I must admit having previously said I like John Key, he did make a dork of himself today. He's a bit too down to earth I think, to the point where he almost seems incompetent?]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 20:45:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392709&title=national-or-labour#392709 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I agree with what you said Emma...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392705&title=national-or-labour#392705 Author: mummy_becks
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 8:44pm

I agree with what you said Emma about the 2 parties actually being so close to the centre on a number of things. In one of my ed papers we had to study basic govt stuff and it was interesting to find them both being so close.

My opinion on John key changes each day. I think as a person to represent the country he can speak well, but he does avoid the questions, and he is youngish. But then his skating around the questions and not releasing any policies drives me nuts.

I know a few people (who have no children) that go on about how National is good for the country giving us all tax cuts, they have bad memories and choose not to remember what it was like 10 years ago with everything being sold off.

But Aunty Helen for not having children does want to help working parents.

]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 20:44:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392705&title=national-or-labour#392705 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : After watching tonights news,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392700&title=national-or-labour#392700 Author: .Mel
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 8:38pm

After watching tonights news, I will stay Labour, there is something about John K that I just don't like, I don't believe anything he says, he is very good at avoiding the good hard questions.  He hasn't been able to tell us why their tax cuts would be better than Labour's. As for WFF, I've seen an interview with him on Campbell Live and he did indicate that there would be changes.

I

]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 20:38:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392700&title=national-or-labour#392700 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : LMAO Nikki and Jenn! I totally...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392666&title=national-or-labour#392666 Author: Maya
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 8:15pm

LMAO Nikki and Jenn!

I totally agree about people being misinformed. I was one of them till I had to take a Media and Govt paper at uni and had no choice but to start learning. The thing I found most disturbing is the similarities between the two main parties, at the time, Labour was centre-left and National was centre-right but only ever so slightly, they were both pretty much centre parties. I guess I tend towards being a bit more radical in my views so I hang out slightly further right. ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 20:15:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392666&title=national-or-labour#392666 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : lol Nikki ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392663&title=national-or-labour#392663 Author: Jennz
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 8:13pm

lol Nikki ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 20:13:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392663&title=national-or-labour#392663 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : i am anti-national cause they...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392580&title=national-or-labour#392580 Author: lizzle
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 7:41pm

i am anti-national cause they don't seem to really HAVE any policies. they seemt o just say "oh Labour sux" but not say what they plan to do. dodgy if you ask me.

BTW am loving the political debate.]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 19:41:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392580&title=national-or-labour#392580 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Jennz wrote:If people think...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392533&title=national-or-labour#392533 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 7:16pm

Originally posted by Jennz Jennz wrote:

If people think that voting national will put more money in the average families pocket they are sadly mistaken!

The main thing I would be interested to know about is what either of their policies are on foreign investment and banking regulation. Our interest rates are so high to try and decrease inflation (its the only tool the reserve bank has), caused by our house prices sky rocketing over the past few years- one huge contributor to that is people investing in NZ from overseas. High interest rates affect us all- mortgage payments go up, house values drop, mortgagee sales increase, rent prices go up and we all have less money in our pockets. The high interest rates are actually due to a collection of factors, but primarily the housing market. Both from overseas property investment but also Banks progressively became less and less risk adverse, allowing more and more people to have more money than they normally would have to buy houses and stimulating demand. It spirals, so their standards got more and more loose, meaning more people had access to cash and pushing prices up. The only way that the continual growth is available to the levels that it was is due to money coming from outside the country, and banks giving more money inside the country. National would never regulate banks, and are all for foreign investment.

As for money in our pockets. Again, traditionally National like to sell and privatise things to fund tax cuts like our public transport, our airports, our power companies- when we don't need to. Its like selling your car to pay your mortgage- all fine and dandy the first time but then where does the money come from? When these companies become private- they are no longer government regulated, their main aim is to make profits for their shareholders. Whether or not that improves services is debatable. A publicly controlled asset generally utilises money given to it, and earned through its services at a breakeven point - I.e. it doesn't want to make money. If it does make money then the person who receives that money is the government, who can utilise it to benefit the country as a whole. However, if you privatise an asset, the goal is to make a profit and the profit is only ever distributed to the select few with the investment. This is usually the wealthy, due to them have a larger disposable income to invest. To make these profits it has to come from somewhere, generally the country as a whole, and if profits are being made they are therefore taking more from the general public than they really need. What National do is an amazing piece of moving money from the poor to the rich, but most people fail to see the bigger picture. The rich will get lower taxes (contributing more to their income), this extra money will be invested in entities who then make profits and pay out dividends to their owners. So, the cost to the public as a whole is less public services, more private services, at a greater cost, resulting less money for the majority, and more money for the minority. The primary difference between Labour and National is that Labour sold off assets when we really needed to, whereas National sells them off when we don't need to.

We are all going to notice the increase in petrol and food prices- its happening all over the world and its not Labours fault. I think so many people think that voting National in will mean more money for the average family but when has it ever? I don't ever remember a time when a National government has put more money in the average families pocket- they're very good at making out they will but the reality is always very different. They either blatantly lie or they give with one hand and take with the other. They traditionally look after corporates, the very rich and particularly like to brown nose with America- farmers like to delude themselves that they look after them too but its been a long time since farmers have actually been better off under a National government.

Sorry for the big rant- I just find it so frustrating when people I know (like my friends and family-all lower to middle income bracket) say they are going to vote National because 'they want a change' and would 'like a tax cut', and don't learn from our past. They don't even look into Nationals policies (not that they have any!) and just blindly assume that because its different, it will be better- even though it never has been before.

I know that others are totally educated about both parties and still believe National are the better option- I think that everyone is entitled to their opinion however formed. I just wish more people would educate themselves instead of blindly making such an important decision based on something as trivial as a tax cut or wanting change.


Disclaimer: This is the opinion of Jenna, Nikki and Ana]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 19:16:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392533&title=national-or-labour#392533 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Maya wrote:Yeah, from what...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392520&title=national-or-labour#392520 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 6:57pm

Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Yeah, from what I saw the 20 free hours implementation was a shambles, Maya's preschool had to take out a mortgage to cover costs as the scheme came in on 1 July but the ministry weren't paying them till Nov, and they also had to charge a quality charge per session coz the ministry funding didn't fully cover their costs. Because we qualified for childcare subsidy, we were only $10 per week better off with the 20 hours free when you take the quality charge into account.


yeah the funding is all done in advance..and its a massive balls up:( ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 18:57:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392520&title=national-or-labour#392520 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : If people think that voting national...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392516&title=national-or-labour#392516 Author: Jennz
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 6:56pm

If people think that voting national will put more money in the average families pocket they are sadly mistaken!

The main thing I would be interested to know about is what either of their policies are on foreign investment and banking regulation. Our interest rates are so high to try and decrease inflation (its the only tool the reserve bank has), caused by our house prices sky rocketing over the past few years- one huge contributor to that is people investing in NZ from overseas. High interest rates affect us all- mortgage payments go up, house values drop, mortgagee sales increase, rent prices go up and we all have less money in our pockets. The high interest rates are actually due to a collection of factors, but primarily the housing market. Both from overseas property investment but also Banks progressively became less and less risk adverse, allowing more and more people to have more money than they normally would have to buy houses and stimulating demand. It spirals, so their standards got more and more loose, meaning more people had access to cash and pushing prices up. The only way that the continual growth is available to the levels that it was is due to money coming from outside the country, and banks giving more money inside the country. National would never regulate banks, and are all for foreign investment.

As for money in our pockets. Again, traditionally National like to sell and privatise things to fund tax cuts like our public transport, our airports, our power companies- when we don't need to. Its like selling your car to pay your mortgage- all fine and dandy the first time but then where does the money come from? When these companies become private- they are no longer government regulated, their main aim is to make profits for their shareholders. Whether or not that improves services is debatable. A publicly controlled asset generally utilises money given to it, and earned through its services at a breakeven point - I.e. it doesn't want to make money. If it does make money then the person who receives that money is the government, who can utilise it to benefit the country as a whole. However, if you privatise an asset, the goal is to make a profit and the profit is only ever distributed to the select few with the investment. This is usually the wealthy, due to them have a larger disposable income to invest. To make these profits it has to come from somewhere, generally the country as a whole, and if profits are being made they are therefore taking more from the general public than they really need. What National do is an amazing piece of moving money from the poor to the rich, but most people fail to see the bigger picture. The rich will get lower taxes (contributing more to their income), this extra money will be invested in entities who then make profits and pay out dividends to their owners. So, the cost to the public as a whole is less public services, more private services, at a greater cost, resulting less money for the majority, and more money for the minority. The primary difference between Labour and National is that Labour sold off assets when we really needed to, whereas National sells them off when we don't need to.

We are all going to notice the increase in petrol and food prices- its happening all over the world and its not Labours fault. I think so many people think that voting National in will mean more money for the average family but when has it ever? I don't ever remember a time when a National government has put more money in the average families pocket- they're very good at making out they will but the reality is always very different. They either blatantly lie or they give with one hand and take with the other. They traditionally look after corporates, the very rich and particularly like to brown nose with America- farmers like to delude themselves that they look after them too but its been a long time since farmers have actually been better off under a National government.

Sorry for the big rant- I just find it so frustrating when people I know (like my friends and family-all lower to middle income bracket) say they are going to vote National because 'they want a change' and would 'like a tax cut', and don't learn from our past. They don't even look into Nationals policies (not that they have any!) and just blindly assume that because its different, it will be better- even though it never has been before.

I know that others are totally educated about both parties and still believe National are the better option- I think that everyone is entitled to their opinion however formed. I just wish more people would educate themselves instead of blindly making such an important decision based on something as trivial as a tax cut or wanting change. ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 18:56:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392516&title=national-or-labour#392516 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Yeah, from what I saw the 20 free...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392495&title=national-or-labour#392495 Author: Maya
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 6:38pm

Yeah, from what I saw the 20 free hours implementation was a shambles, Maya's preschool had to take out a mortgage to cover costs as the scheme came in on 1 July but the ministry weren't paying them till Nov, and they also had to charge a quality charge per session coz the ministry funding didn't fully cover their costs. Because we qualified for childcare subsidy, we were only $10 per week better off with the 20 hours free when you take the quality charge into account.]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 18:38:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392495&title=national-or-labour#392495 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Milo1 wrote:haha....suppose...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392447&title=national-or-labour#392447 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 5:24pm

Originally posted by Milo1 Milo1 wrote:

haha....suppose it was a tad dramatic!

Seriously Helen needs a personal stylist that hair needs help!!

One postive thing Labour has done is put money into early childhood and boost the amount of qualifed staff which is a good thing. They value it as education which National does not.

Just wish Labour would support working families that struggle with a mortage... poor me



hmmm ECE... dont start me they did all that but didnt provide more centres..now there is nowhere for the kids to go and the policy of 20 free hours is awful... great for parents ...totally awful for centres:( i dislike it when govts make decisions FOR me like smacking...:( find it really crappy they don't listen to the general public and that it isn't going to help who they want it too:(

Edited by foxxy_one]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 17:24:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392447&title=national-or-labour#392447 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : just to get a on the money bandwagon...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392440&title=national-or-labour#392440 Author: Henna79
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 5:16pm

just to get a on the money bandwagon a bit DH said to me today something re tax and better earning jobs. He has a good paying job but nearly half goes in tax so we end up being in the same position as people who earn less but because we earn more we get no benefits. Meaning that we struggle just as much but get no help from anyone all because he has a better paying job. Thats kinda stink if you ask me as he ends up paying for others to survive.]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 17:16:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392440&title=national-or-labour#392440 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Yep I&#039;d see why ya would...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392350&title=national-or-labour#392350 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:57pm

Yep I'd see why ya would keep it secret - especially when it could seriously divide a family if you were that concerned about it!]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:57:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392350&title=national-or-labour#392350 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I don&#039;t know who my Mum votes...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392349&title=national-or-labour#392349 Author: Maya
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:56pm

I don't know who my Mum votes for, she's a big believer that you shouldn't tell anyone who you vote for, hence why it's a secret ballot, but Dad usually votes right.]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:56:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392349&title=national-or-labour#392349 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : nikkiwhyte wrote: caraMel...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392343&title=national-or-labour#392343 Author: caraMel
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:48pm

Originally posted by nikkiwhyte nikkiwhyte wrote:

Originally posted by caraMel caraMel wrote:


FIL is a business man


Well, TBH as a business man he probably would be better off voting National - or further right.


Yeah I realise that. What bugged me about it was him assuming his son should vote the same way because it suited him (FIL) when voting Labour was much better for us and our family! ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:48:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392343&title=national-or-labour#392343 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : hehehe I&#039;m sure there are...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392337&title=national-or-labour#392337 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:45pm

hehehe

I'm sure there are plenty more who have just managed to hide their past/present better ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:45:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392337&title=national-or-labour#392337 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Then again, to argue against myself,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392327&title=national-or-labour#392327 Author: Maya
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:36pm

Then again, to argue against myself, I voted ACT and they were responsible for Donna Awatere-Huata ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:36:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392327&title=national-or-labour#392327 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I&#039;m not a financier either...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392323&title=national-or-labour#392323 Author: Maya
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:34pm

I'm not a financier either but he does have questionable social skills and he comes across as a bit of a dweeb.
I have a shady memory for politics, but there seem to have been a few dodgy labour MP's of late (ole Mr Taito Philip Field, David Benson-Pope...) and then the recent immigration scandal, altho to be fair I think Helen Clark handled that particular situation very well given the circumstances.]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:34:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392323&title=national-or-labour#392323 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Maya wrote: nikkiwhyte wrote:Ahhhh...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392319&title=national-or-labour#392319 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:30pm

Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Originally posted by nikkiwhyte nikkiwhyte wrote:

Ahhhh I get ya.

I guess I consider that she's still in charge because she's doing a good job, not because she's doing a bad one


Or is she still in charge coz of lack of alternatives?


Personally I think it's a good one but I could see that others would argue the latter.

Really a PMs job is to put the right people in the right places. I guess I don't agree with allll her choices but I don't disagree too much with the people she does have in place.

Gaz's dad would contest that Cullen is an idiot... I don't know enough about finance to comment.]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:30:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392319&title=national-or-labour#392319 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : caraMel wrote: FIL is a business...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392314&title=national-or-labour#392314 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:28pm

Originally posted by caraMel caraMel wrote:


FIL is a business man


Well, TBH as a business man he probably would be better off voting National - or further right.]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:28:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392314&title=national-or-labour#392314 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : nikkiwhyte wrote:Ahhhh I get...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392311&title=national-or-labour#392311 Author: Maya
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:25pm

Originally posted by nikkiwhyte nikkiwhyte wrote:

Ahhhh I get ya.

I guess I consider that she's still in charge because she's doing a good job, not because she's doing a bad one


Or is she still in charge coz of lack of alternatives?

Credit where credit is due re: minimum wage tho, I started my working life at New World on $5.15 an hour...]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:25:46 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392311&title=national-or-labour#392311 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : You&#039;re right Nikki, I was...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392309&title=national-or-labour#392309 Author: caraMel
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:24pm

You're right Nikki, I was miserable on minimum wage when Labour first came in and it is a lot better now than it was back then.
FIL is a business man and when he heard last election that DH and I were planning to vote Labour he went nuts trying to sway DH. He spouted all kids of rubbish about how we would benefit. DH came home and was completely convinced until I showed him the facts I'd researched, disproving most of FIL's claims.
Its so important to do your research about the things that are important to you and your family, rather than just relying on the headlines and other people's opinions. So much of it turns out to be twisted or wrong!
]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:24:23 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392309&title=national-or-labour#392309 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Ahhhh I get ya. I guess I consider...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392308&title=national-or-labour#392308 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:24pm

Ahhhh I get ya.

I guess I consider that she's still in charge because she's doing a good job, not because she's doing a bad one ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:24:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392308&title=national-or-labour#392308 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : nikkiwhyte wrote: Maya wrote:I...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392306&title=national-or-labour#392306 Author: Maya
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:22pm

Originally posted by nikkiwhyte nikkiwhyte wrote:

Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

I just think if she gets in again we run the risk of appearing more like a dictatorship than a democracy with having the same leader for so long.


Emma! Disagree with this on quite a few levels

Most important of which are:
1. We vote for a party, not a president
2. I highly doubt Labour could govern alone so there will be a multi-party coalition


I knew I hadn't expressed that very well, was thinking about it afterwards!

I guess what I was trying to say was that yes, we vote for the party, but THEY vote for the leader so when I said dictatorship I guess I meant within the Labour party itself. The fact that there has been no change of leadership in so long (and I don't even know how long lol, since before my political education!) to me makes the party seem stagnant, almost like some of these military dictatorships overseas where everyone is too scared to contest the status quo. Within the party of course, coz for those of us who aren't in the Labour party, if we don't like her, we just won't vote Labour.

Sorry, rambling! I *know* what I mean, I'm just having trouble articulating it.



]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:22:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392306&title=national-or-labour#392306 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I&#039;m sorry for appearing so...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392296&title=national-or-labour#392296 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:08pm

I'm sorry for appearing so pro-Labour. In actual fact I'm not usually this much of a defender. But it seems all the claims that people (and the media) are making have absolutely nothing to back them up!]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:08:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392296&title=national-or-labour#392296 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : star24 wrote:minimum wage 11...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392294&title=national-or-labour#392294 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 3:06pm

Originally posted by star24 star24 wrote:

minimum wage 11 dollars is it?!


I heard on the radio last night (or maybe this morning?) that under Labour the minimum wage has risen from $7 to $12 - I hardly think that is nothing.

In the last National government they raised it 60 cents!

P.S. Lemme just go check that

P.P.S. Can confirm Labour has raised minimum wage but can't confirm pre-1994 rates. Argh.

Edited by nikkiwhyte]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 15:06:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392294&title=national-or-labour#392294 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : No way i would vote for Helen,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392276&title=national-or-labour#392276 Author: star24
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 2:54pm

No way i would vote for Helen, shes done barely anything for our ecomony.. minimum wage 11 dollars is it?! thats a shocker for such a developed nation like ourselves.. plus theres the extremely low penalties for child abusers.. im not a big national fan, but after 8 years of clark in power i wouldn't mind national just to give them the chance to prove a new "New Zealand". At least that way i could judge both major parties fairly. The Labour party of the 80's is not the same as the one today... ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 14:54:21 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392276&title=national-or-labour#392276 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : lower interest rate so we can...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392273&title=national-or-labour#392273 Author: LJsmum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 2:52pm

lower interest rate so we can pay off the mortage quicker and move out of Auckland!!

Tax cuts... what labours bringing in is o.k better that nothing.

Would like them to take the tax off petrol though. It's crazy!!]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 14:52:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392273&title=national-or-labour#392273 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Lower interest rates probably.......]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392267&title=national-or-labour#392267 Author: newmum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 2:50pm

Lower interest rates probably....]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 14:50:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392267&title=national-or-labour#392267 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Sooo, question: would you prefer...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392258&title=national-or-labour#392258 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 2:46pm

Sooo, question:

would you prefer tax cuts (potentially at the expense of public services) or a lower interest rate?

This isn't a party question, but more of a 'how could we help the middle/upper class?' type question]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 14:46:39 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392258&title=national-or-labour#392258 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : haha....suppose it was a tad dramatic! Seriously...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392255&title=national-or-labour#392255 Author: LJsmum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 2:43pm

haha....suppose it was a tad dramatic!

Seriously Helen needs a personal stylist that hair needs help!!

One postive thing Labour has done is put money into early childhood and boost the amount of qualifed staff which is a good thing. They value it as education which National does not.

Just wish Labour would support working families that struggle with a mortage... poor me

]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 14:43:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392255&title=national-or-labour#392255 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : nikkiwhyte wrote:Ohhhhh Milo. *faints* Me...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392202&title=national-or-labour#392202 Author: caraMel
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 1:53pm

Originally posted by nikkiwhyte nikkiwhyte wrote:

Ohhhhh Milo.

*faints*


Me too, yeouch!]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 13:53:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392202&title=national-or-labour#392202 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : there is no way i will vote for...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392200&title=national-or-labour#392200 Author: james
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 1:52pm

there is no way i will vote for National as they have changed there leader sooo much in the past and they relly are only for the rich or bissines people that us poor people relly have no chance with them in power ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 13:52:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392200&title=national-or-labour#392200 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : National ! ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392129&title=national-or-labour#392129 Author: Suzieq
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 12:45pm

National ! ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 12:45:34 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392129&title=national-or-labour#392129 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I&#039;m with you Nikki.... ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392060&title=national-or-labour#392060 Author: Jay_R
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 11:02am

I'm with you Nikki....

]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 11:02:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392060&title=national-or-labour#392060 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Ohhhhh Milo. *faints* ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392042&title=national-or-labour#392042 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 10:51am

Ohhhhh Milo.

*faints*]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 10:51:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392042&title=national-or-labour#392042 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : used to vote labour but no more.... Labour...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392035&title=national-or-labour#392035 Author: LJsmum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 10:49am

used to vote labour but no more....
Labour has stuffed up our society so much. Civil unions, legisation of prosituition and the smacking bill!! Hello. I don't smack and never will but why make it illegal!

It's time for a change plus they haven't done anything for our family we only qualifed for WFF for a short time while i ws a SAHM anyway and IRD stuffed up the payments.
National seems like they have a clue and will represent me our family as a 2 parent working family. Labours done nothing for us!!!]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 10:49:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392035&title=national-or-labour#392035 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I guess I just don&#039;t see...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392031&title=national-or-labour#392031 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 10:45am

I guess I just don't see anyone who stands out as an alternative?

I don't believe in rolling people over 'just because' ya know? If she'd fecked up in a huge way then maybe.... but I don't think she has. Far too much control for that!]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 10:45:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392031&title=national-or-labour#392031 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Roksana wrote:National seems...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392007&title=national-or-labour#392007 Author: caraMel
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 10:37am

Originally posted by Roksana Roksana wrote:

National seems sooo much more interesting with the promise of more money but it makes me wonder what we will have to loose out on to get that? and if it will be worth it at the end.



That's how they appear to me every time the election rolls around.
They win people over with their huge promises of tax cuts and benefits, particularly appealing to the wealthy and those in business, but its always too good to be true.

Nikki, I quite like Helen. I met her ages ago when she did a seminar for young girls and found her to be really down to earth and gave some really good advice.
I just think, like Emma, that she's been PM for quite a while now and it would be good for NZ to have someone new, but with the same philosophy in mind, representing us.

Edited by caraMel]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 10:37:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=392007&title=national-or-labour#392007 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Didnt National say that they will...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391954&title=national-or-labour#391954 Author: Roksana
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 10:11am

Didnt National say that they will continue WFF pymnts this morning??

I am actually really confused about it all. Last time i Voted Labour...actually I always voted labour. However this time I have yet to make up my mind.

I hate that all we are going to get is $28 dollars each week....I mean seriously!!

We dont qualify for WFF so no benefut for me there. Not that I dont thing WFF is a great thing. National seems sooo much more interesting with the promise of more money but it makes me wonder what we will have to loose out on to get that? and if it will be worth it at the end.

Hmmm......Still have time to think about it I guess!! ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 10:11:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391954&title=national-or-labour#391954 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Brilliant Jen. haha Will save...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391939&title=national-or-labour#391939 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 10:06am

Brilliant Jen. haha

Will save me a whole lotta typing!

Edited by nikkiwhyte]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 10:06:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391939&title=national-or-labour#391939 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : LOL, sounds good to me! ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391914&title=national-or-labour#391914 Author: newmum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:54am

LOL, sounds good to me! ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 09:54:33 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391914&title=national-or-labour#391914 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : LOL- I often get in first and...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391906&title=national-or-labour#391906 Author: Jennz
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:47am

LOL- I often get in first and steal your thunder don't I Ana!

I'll put a disclaimer in my signature:
"Oh Baby takes no responsibility for opinions expressed in the above post.
All comments are the opinion of myself and Ana and Nikki!"




Edited by Jennz]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 09:47:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391906&title=national-or-labour#391906 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I just can&#039;t understand that...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391903&title=national-or-labour#391903 Author: newmum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:47am

I just can't understand that people with families think National could be better? Man I hate that smarmy bastard...

Sorry am going to put myself in time out now. Getting to het up ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 09:47:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391903&title=national-or-labour#391903 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : And mine!! ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391902&title=national-or-labour#391902 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:46am

And mine!! ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 09:46:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391902&title=national-or-labour#391902 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : oh and once again Jenna said what...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391893&title=national-or-labour#391893 Author: newmum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:39am

oh and once again Jenna said what I think, she can be my spokesperson

Edited by newmum]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 09:39:50 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391893&title=national-or-labour#391893 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : OK so should have read rest of...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391891&title=national-or-labour#391891 Author: newmum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:39am

OK so should have read rest of thread before quoting because that's what you guys have already said, LOL ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 09:39:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391891&title=national-or-labour#391891 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : nikkiwhyte wrote:I don&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391888&title=national-or-labour#391888 Author: newmum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:37am

Originally posted by nikkiwhyte nikkiwhyte wrote:

I don't particularly like any of the politicians but I agree more with Labour's political philosophy.

I haven't found an issue where I would take National's stance yet.

.


OK That's because they DON'T HAVE a clear stance on almost anything!!! Just say Labour is crap but don't say what exactly they want to do! grrrr. HATE JOHN KEY!!!!!!

Anyway, ROFL Labour here of the 2 of them but really Greens...]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 09:37:09 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391888&title=national-or-labour#391888 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I think National is just waiting...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391881&title=national-or-labour#391881 Author: Henna79
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:32am

I think National is just waiting until they have an idea of when election will be. I think its good they aren't already telling us policies as the election is still a few months away and everyone else is already trying to 'buy' votes.

Also wanted to say I agree with those of you who say John Key seems arrogant and smarmy but I so think good on him. He came from nothing and made something of himself so for that alone I think he must be a pretty good guy especially when you look around and see people who came from the same sort of background who are clogging up our jails etc.]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 09:32:48 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391881&title=national-or-labour#391881 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I know exactly how hes going to...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391875&title=national-or-labour#391875 Author: Jennz
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:30am

I know exactly how hes going to pull it off- they'll sell state owned assets and cut core funding for things like health, welfare and education, just like National always do. They give with one hand and take with the other.

One policy they have released was that they will be removing the threshold that GPs can charge so they will be free to charge whatever they like- already that means we will be paying MORE for healthcare for ourselves and our children under a National government.]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 09:30:39 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391875&title=national-or-labour#391875 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : kebakat wrote:The problem with...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391859&title=national-or-labour#391859 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:22am

Originally posted by kebakat kebakat wrote:

The problem with National is that they haven't said a word about what their policies are or even hint at them apart from John Key prattling on how his tax cuts will be bigger than Labours


EXACTLY. And how exactly he is going to pull this off, I have NO idea.

National haven't committed to anything yet! Even this morning on the radio John Key couldn't give any details at all about their tax policy. That disturbs me completely that people are talking about voting national when there is absolutely no indication about what their policies are on anything!

Atleast with Labour you know what you are getting and personally I don't think things are too bad at all.

Yes there are problems with health funding etc but under traditional National policy, there won't be any more funding committed to it.]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 09:22:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391859&title=national-or-labour#391859 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : nzpiper wrote:Helen may be...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391853&title=national-or-labour#391853 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:16am

Originally posted by nzpiper nzpiper wrote:

Helen may be an intelligent woman and she is a pretty strong woman but I dont think she has a clue what reality is all about. She has an academic background and academics do tend to live in their own little protected worlds.   I personally dont think she is the right person for the job and would be pleased to see the back of her and labour. Unfortunately National and Key havent come out strong and confident yet. Fingers crossed it will all work out in the end. The country is going downhill fast.



Just my opinion.



The first part i totally agree with..i have met her..even lived in her electorate...she's a great person but i still wont' be voting for her:) totally agree about the country though!!

Edited by foxxy_one]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 09:16:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391853&title=national-or-labour#391853 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : national ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391852&title=national-or-labour#391852 Author: Mum2ET
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:14am

national

]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 09:14:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391852&title=national-or-labour#391852 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : The problem with National is that...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391850&title=national-or-labour#391850 Author: kebakat
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:13am

The problem with National is that they haven't said a word about what their policies are or even hint at them apart from John Key prattling on how his tax cuts will be bigger than Labours ]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 09:13:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391850&title=national-or-labour#391850 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Helen may be an intelligent woman...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391832&title=national-or-labour#391832 Author: peanut butter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 8:53am

Helen may be an intelligent woman and she is a pretty strong woman but I dont think she has a clue what reality is all about.  She has an academic background and academics do tend to live in their own little protected worlds.   I personally dont think she is the right person for the job and would be pleased to see the back of her and labour.  Unfortunately National and Key havent come out strong and confident yet.  Fingers crossed it will all work out in the end.  The country is going downhill fast.

 

Just my opinion.

]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 08:53:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391832&title=national-or-labour#391832 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : DH said something about the tax...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391820&title=national-or-labour#391820 Author: kebakat
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 8:46am

DH said something about the tax cuts this morning.. he said you have 3 choices for tax cuts..

1. Give everyone the same amount of money back in their pockets
2. Bias it so that lower end income earners get more.. higher income get less
3. Bias it so that lower income gets less, high income gets more.

We are in the middle.. but both DH and I thought that number 1 or 2 would make more sense. But the amount coming back is pretty pathetic. I think that all the money spent on tax cuts could be put to better use, like dump a whole lot more into WFF and other benefits etc.]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 08:46:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391820&title=national-or-labour#391820 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I think she is intelligent and...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391798&title=national-or-labour#391798 Author: Henna79
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 8:11am

I think she is intelligent and all that, but when I watch her on Breakfast (if I happen to catch it) she just pisses me off lol.. part of it is that she shows no sympathy or really any emotion whatsoever and you would think she would.[/QUOTE]

I agree, I am not sure I would ever vote labour but if they really and honestly helped people maybe I would. The budget was just a huge joke! The so called tax cuts aren't cuts at all they are just all in line with inflation so nothing given there. They keep saying they pour money into health and education but still there is something wrong there, and prob always will be One big thing that I feel from labour, esp at the mo, is the lack of care for the people. People are really struggling out there, not just gthe average fam but the so called better off to, and they haven't done anything to help them, maybe just my feeling but hey. and another thing, I am sick of them telling me how I can and can't raise my kids! (not that I have one yet) but there have been a few laws labour have passed that the country gave them a clear answer of they didn't want it but they just went through anyway.

Edited by Henna79]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 08:11:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391798&title=national-or-labour#391798 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : nikkiwhyte wrote:Hey, wondering......]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391791&title=national-or-labour#391791 Author: kebakat
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 8:01am

Originally posted by nikkiwhyte nikkiwhyte wrote:

Hey, wondering... why do people dislike Helen?

I think she is an incredibly intelligent woman and think she has done a great job leading the party and country for the last gazillion years.

I read a bit of her history and I think she's impressive in that respect too.


I think she is intelligent and all that, but when I watch her on Breakfast (if I happen to catch it) she just pisses me off lol.. part of it is that she shows no sympathy or really any emotion whatsoever and you would think she would.]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 08:01:21 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391791&title=national-or-labour#391791 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Go for it pesky- I&#039;m about...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391756&title=national-or-labour#391756 Author: Jennz
Subject: 17489
Posted: 23 May 2008 at 2:25am

Go for it pesky- I'm about as objective as a NZ herald journalist

Edited by Jennz]]> Fri, 23 May 2008 02:25:21 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391756&title=national-or-labour#391756 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Jennz wrote: I think its insane...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391733&title=national-or-labour#391733 Author: pesky
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 11:03pm

Originally posted by Jennz Jennz wrote:



I think its insane that people seem to only look short term- our government always goes through a cycle. National comes in- sells all our state owned assests, privatises EVERYTHING, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer then eventually we learn a lesson and vote Labour back in. They take 2-3 terms cleaning up the mess then we start complaining about them (over minor things in comparison) and vote National back- who then go and screw it all back up again.



Yeah I agree. I tried to explain my feelings about National but had to delete it as couldn't make it sound objective or succinct.]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 23:03:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391733&title=national-or-labour#391733 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Husband and I were talking about...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391726&title=national-or-labour#391726 Author: kiwigal
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 10:58pm

Husband and I were talking about this tonight yeah it is good about the tax cut as a lot of people but in the long run it won't last long as prices of food, power, etc will still go up. The other side to this is that the interest rate will stay up longer and will hurt a lot of people in the long run.

I don't like HC whatsoever and if National gets in I don't know what he will do to this country it is going to be interesting this time around.

]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 22:58:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391726&title=national-or-labour#391726 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Mum2Lucas wrote:hehe Emma,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391717&title=national-or-labour#391717 Author: kiwigal
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 10:54pm

Originally posted by Mum2Lucas Mum2Lucas wrote:

hehe Emma, I met her IRL ...bumped into her at Botany a couple years back when she was out in the public mixing and mingling ...her teeth are so damn crooked compared to the doctored billboards

WHAT can't she afford to go the dentist on her $200,000 salary

]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 22:54:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391717&title=national-or-labour#391717 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I love Winston he add spice to...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391685&title=national-or-labour#391685 Author: mummy_becks
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 10:29pm

I love Winston he add spice to Parliment

]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 22:29:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391685&title=national-or-labour#391685 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Maya wrote:I just think if...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391606&title=national-or-labour#391606 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 9:33pm

Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

I just think if she gets in again we run the risk of appearing more like a dictatorship than a democracy with having the same leader for so long.


Emma! Disagree with this on quite a few levels

Most important of which are:
1. We vote for a party, not a president
2. I highly doubt Labour could govern alone so there will be a multi-party coalition

It's just about the furtherest thing away from a dictatorship!

*end rant*

Love ya. ]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 21:33:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391606&title=national-or-labour#391606 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : YOu do have a very good point...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391600&title=national-or-labour#391600 Author: maysie
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 9:27pm

YOu do have a very good point there Jen ]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 21:27:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391600&title=national-or-labour#391600 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Jennz wrote:I&#039;m not a...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391599&title=national-or-labour#391599 Author: MrsMojo
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 9:27pm

Originally posted by Jennz Jennz wrote:

I'm not a huge fan of Winston either but I like that he is in there to call the government up when they screw up- he's a nutter but I think we need someone in there like that (not ruling though!).


I love Winston for exactly that reason, would never vote for him though.]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 21:27:12 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391599&title=national-or-labour#391599 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I always vote green- just because...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391586&title=national-or-labour#391586 Author: Jennz
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 9:19pm

I always vote green- just because I like that with MMP minority parties can get a few seats and be in there to be the majority government 'conscience' so to speak. I'm not a huge fan of Winston either but I like that he is in there to call the government up when they screw up- he's a nutter but I think we need someone in there like that (not ruling though!).

I think its insane that people seem to only look short term- our government always goes through a cycle. National comes in- sells all our state owned assests, privatises EVERYTHING, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer then eventually we learn a lesson and vote Labour back in. They take 2-3 terms cleaning up the mess then we start complaining about them (over minor things in comparison) and vote National back- who then go and screw it all back up again.

So to answer the question- I think Labour is the lesser of the 2 evils. I don't agree with some of their policies, I think Helens getting too big for her boots, but overall I think the country is far better off with them in power than with National. National are republicans, Labour are democrats basically- look at America!]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 21:19:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391586&title=national-or-labour#391586 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : mummy_becks, I have the Sonja...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391584&title=national-or-labour#391584 Author: maysie
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 9:17pm

mummy_becks, I have the Sonja Davies book! It's a very good read. And I've also read Helen Clarks biography and I really liked her from that. I remember at a uni lecture (a Political Policy paper in my 2nd year) we had Helen Clark and Jenny Shipley talk to us and they were both incredible to listen to. I've always been National but last election voted Labour because i felt Helen Clark was the right person to be our PM. I don't agree with a lot of the things they've been doing lately though and find it really frustrating (for us personally) that we pay so much tax yet get not a lot in return. We have private health ins, super, pay heaps for the doctor (which has just recently changed for me but not DH) etc. I realise that technically we can afford to pay for all these things but why shouldnt we be able to live a decent lifestyle when we've worked really hard for it? - and Im def not saying that those who earn less dont work hard. Just that it would be nice to know that maybe we didnt have to have health ins because our govt provided a solid health system or that our taxes werent paying for certain people to sit at home because they cant be bothered working. I believe in a hand up - not a hand out, and this was what welfare was originally for.
So, back to the topic...I will be giving my vote back to National ]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 21:17:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391584&title=national-or-labour#391584 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Yeah I wouldn&#039;t go so far...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391575&title=national-or-labour#391575 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 9:12pm

Yeah I wouldn't go so far as unattractive ..but they definitely airbrush a lot of her photos. Her skin looked nice and smooth IRL - maybe THAT is where the Japanese were referring to her as being model like ]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 21:12:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391575&title=national-or-labour#391575 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Maya wrote:Oh and she is sooo...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391567&title=national-or-labour#391567 Author: MrsMojo
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 9:07pm

Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Oh and she is sooo damn unattractive!


Didn't the Japanese (?) press comment that she looks like a model? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 21:07:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391567&title=national-or-labour#391567 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : hehe Emma, I met her IRL ...bumped...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391566&title=national-or-labour#391566 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 9:07pm

hehe Emma, I met her IRL ...bumped into her at Botany a couple years back when she was out in the public mixing and mingling ...her teeth are so damn crooked compared to the doctored billboards ]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 21:07:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391566&title=national-or-labour#391566 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Oh and she is sooo damn unattractive!...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391545&title=national-or-labour#391545 Author: Maya
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 9:00pm

Oh and she is sooo damn unattractive!]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 21:00:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391545&title=national-or-labour#391545 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : I have no doubt that she&#039;s...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391544&title=national-or-labour#391544 Author: Maya
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:59pm

I have no doubt that she's intelligent, I'd go so far as to say manipulative even, but I guess that's a good thing in a politician, nature of the beast and all.

I just think if she gets in again we run the risk of appearing more like a dictatorship than a democracy with having the same leader for so long.]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 20:59:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391544&title=national-or-labour#391544 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : P.S. I don&#039;t think there...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391528&title=national-or-labour#391528 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:51pm

P.S. I don't think there is anyone that is more suitable to replace her either.]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 20:51:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391528&title=national-or-labour#391528 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Hey, wondering... why do people...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391526&title=national-or-labour#391526 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:50pm

Hey, wondering... why do people dislike Helen?

I think she is an incredibly intelligent woman and think she has done a great job leading the party and country for the last gazillion years.

I read a bit of her history and I think she's impressive in that respect too.]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 20:50:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391526&title=national-or-labour#391526 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Labour without a doubt ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391472&title=national-or-labour#391472 Author: Kels
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:22pm

Labour without a doubt

]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 20:22:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391472&title=national-or-labour#391472 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : Thanks for that Emz, I didn&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391467&title=national-or-labour#391467 Author: mummy_becks
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:19pm

Thanks for that Emz, I didn't think about the defence force - it has always been SL and WFF for me, but we are a Labour family going way back to Sonja Davies (anyone know that name?? - she was my Great Aunty), so hey will alwas have my vote, and I like the new MP we have for Labour here in Palmy.

]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 20:19:48 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391467&title=national-or-labour#391467 <![CDATA[National or Labour? : How can anyone decide on National...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391461&title=national-or-labour#391461 Author: emz
Subject: 17489
Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:15pm

How can anyone decide on National when they've danced around every single question regarding anything specific during the lead of Don Brash and now John Key? I find him smug too, and I wouldn't want him representing me.

Not that I like Helen that much, she ordered the defence force to take danger pay from hubby while in Timor in 01/02 ($50 a day) and then gave it as a donation on behalf of 'the NZ people' to the Timorese to rebuild schools etc, then they went and burnt them all down in 2006 (they seriously are stupid people - no offence to anyone that knows Timorese, but my god, burning down your own infrastructure to prove a point? )

So, to answer the question anyway, I'm a labour person.
1) You get straight answers from them
2) They look after the average NZ'er. National has traditionally been the white middle class males voting party, although I know that's changing.
3) I owe them for wiping the interest off my student loan
4) They've promised to look after the defence force, whereas National have made fleeting statements about where they'd send them/what they'd do which worries me about DH.

So there you have it!

We have election parties where we dress up (had Rodney Hyde masks last time as he was a key player in assigning seats), get drunk and yell at the opposing supporters when the party we're supporting wins seats. Yes I'm a geek. And proud of it ]]> Thu, 22 May 2008 20:15:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17489&PID=391461&title=national-or-labour#391461