OHbaby! Forums : The new breastfeeding ads https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 06 May 2026 19:15:09 +0000 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:39:58 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.05 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=19690 <![CDATA[OHbaby! Forums]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Well put! ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=460043&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#460043 Author: tishy
Subject: 19690
Posted: 05 August 2008 at 12:39pm

Well put! ]]> Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:39:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=460043&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#460043 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Heres the facts as i see it ,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=460031&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#460031 Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 19690
Posted: 05 August 2008 at 12:32pm

Heres the facts as i see it , whether people like them or not

1) breastmilk is best for baby
2) most people know this,however there are a few that dont
3) some women chose not to bf cos they cant, for whatever reason
4) some women chose not to bf cos they dont want to , and that is THEIR choice, sure, in an ideal world everyone would be , but give me an ideal world, and i'll give you that
5) women should be asked by their LMC before and after the birth if they are going to bf, and they should be told "did you know its the best option for the baby ?" as some of them might not
6) after giving all the information , womens choices, whether to breastfeed , or not, should be respected and if the choice is to BF then as much info and help with latching, support etc should be offered straight away
If they choose to FF , then that shouldnt be such a major issue that women feel guilty (you have the rest of your childs life for that) and same with BF , they should be given info on that too.

This way , both bases are covered, the importance of BF has been covered with out it being being forced, women know the facts and are then able to make their own choice based on that .
And whatever way you chose , you have information and knowledge on .
As it is WHO policy etc, bf will be discussed first, especially because some women genuinely feel that they should "know " how to bf and are too scared to ask for help.
But women who dont chose to , should be supported in their option as well .

Im sorry if very pro bf mums dont like this , and im very sorry if very pro FF mums dont like this, but it has to be fair to everyone ]]> Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:32:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=460031&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#460031 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : that new law sounds good. wish...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459783&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459783 Author: lizzle
Subject: 19690
Posted: 05 August 2008 at 7:13am

that new law sounds good. wish it had of been in japan when iwas there.]]> Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:13:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459783&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459783 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Heres an insert from a paper I...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459755&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459755 Author: Kels
Subject: 19690
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 11:41pm

Heres an insert from a paper I wrote a couple of months back. Good old cut and paste to the rescue.....

WHO along with UNICEF developed strategies to protect, promote and support breastfeeding. The Baby Friendly Hospital Initiative (BFHI) launched in 1991 ensures that all maternities either free standing or in a hospital become a centre of breastfeeding support. These facilities are designed to be baby friendly while following the ten specific steps to supportive breastfeeding including physical and emotional support (UNICEF, 2008) and The International code of Marketing of Breast Milk Substitutes (WHO Code) which aimed to protect and promote breastfeeding through adequate information on breastfeeding and the regulation of the marketing of breast milk substitutes, bottles and teats.

The WHO Code stipulates that there should be no promotion of breast milk substitutes , bottles or teats to the general public; that neither health facilities nor health professionals should have a role in promoting breast milk substitutes. (UNICEF, 2008).

The ministry in New Zealand supports and promotes breastfeeding and the intent of the International Code of Marketing of Breast milk substitutes. The Ministry has developed a set of guidelines for health worker to interpret the WHO code into recommendations for promoting and protecting breastfeeding through the implementation of the WHO Code in the health sector (MOH, 2000).

Breastfeeding has many benefits for the health and development of babies. Breast milk meets the full needs of the nutritional requirements for babies up to the age of 6months old. It is very high in all the right nutrients and fatty acids needed for growth and also protective properties against infectious diseases such as gastroenteritis and respiratory infections because the maternal antibodies are passed through the breast milk (MOH, 2000).

I hope that is the info you were after Steph

 

]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:41:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459755&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459755 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Sooooo could someone please clarify...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459752&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459752 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 19690
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 11:33pm

Sooooo could someone please clarify what the WHO code for breastfeeding is/what it involves? - I'm intrigued ]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:33:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459752&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459752 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : I thought of another way of explaining...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459744&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459744 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 19690
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 10:58pm

I thought of another way of explaining the "push" thing and the who code... kind of like how at family planning etc they HAVE to push safe sex... part of the who code also,a nd HAVE to provide information about contraception regardless of their personl beliefs, and if nurses etc don't agree with contraception/ECP etc, they chose not to work in that part of the job.
Or how they have to push the smoking is bad thing? We all KNOW its bad, but it is kind of in your face, though, isn't it? All part of WHO.]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:58:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459744&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459744 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : lizzle wrote:i have a new perspective...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459743&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459743 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 19690
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 10:55pm

Originally posted by lizzle lizzle wrote:

i have a new perspective on this now. I don't think the "breast is best" message is saying anything we haven't heard before BUT it is essential for us to kleep on saying. Why? because society needs to know that breastfeeding is valued so that the government institutes rules and laws that can help THOSE WHO CHOSE TO BREASFTEED. for example, in Japan, formula feeding seemed to be seen as JUST as good as breastfeeding. consequently laws that allow you to breastfeed whereever - don't exist. Unlike in NZ where you can where-ever whenever. I was thinking about why i stoppedbfeeding jake, and mainly it was because i went back to work, and expressing at work was impossible. i wasn't given a space or time, and several staff mnembers complained about the thought of my breastmilk in the fridge. Having laws that give me the right to continue breastfeeding, if I chose to, is so important.

even if we don't chose to breastfeed, these ads mean that society can value our right to.


Yep, awesome, well said.
Actually, did you know there is a bill going through parliament ATM to make it so employers are obliged to (but don't have to) provide a decent private space for employees to feed/express and are not allowed to say you can't or whatever. They also must make sure you are allowed regular breaks to do this.
And don't even go there with the why should they have more breaks than other people, cos it won't work like that....]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:55:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459743&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459743 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : well said liz!!! ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459474&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459474 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 19690
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 7:54pm

well said liz!!! ]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:54:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459474&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459474 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : i have a new perspective on this...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459321&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459321 Author: lizzle
Subject: 19690
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 5:07pm

i have a new perspective on this now. I don't think the "breast is best" message is saying anything we haven't heard before BUT it is essential for us to kleep on saying. Why? because society needs to know that breastfeeding is valued so that the government institutes rules and laws that can help THOSE WHO CHOSE TO BREASFTEED. for example, in Japan, formula feeding seemed to be seen as JUST as good as breastfeeding. consequently laws that allow you to breastfeed whereever - don't exist. Unlike in NZ where you can where-ever whenever. I was thinking about why i stoppedbfeeding jake, and mainly it was because i went back to work, and expressing at work was impossible. i wasn't given a space or time, and several staff mnembers complained about the thought of my breastmilk in the fridge. Having laws that give me the right to continue breastfeeding, if I chose to, is so important.

even if we don't chose to breastfeed, these ads mean that society can value our right to.]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:07:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459321&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459321 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : but thats the what i dont get...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459285&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459285 Author: WRXnKids
Subject: 19690
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 4:37pm

but thats the what i dont get why does it have to be 'pushed' i mean its ok to promote it but why push people into it thats what makes mothers who do formula feed feel like they are doing something wrong and also make the public almost feel like they have a right to judge or interfere. I mean there are a lot of people who because the professionals push feel like it is ok for them to tell things like 'but not BF is bad for your baby'. For some reason it also seems to be normal for people who dont know you to ask you when preg or out with bubs normally after when are you due or how old is he questions to ask do you/will you BF? I dunno it just doesnt seem right to me that the way it is promoted/pushed makes a lot of the public think it is their business or right to judge.

And this isnt aimed at anyone just from my experiences and others i have spoken to ]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:37:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459285&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459285 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : RachandJack wrote:WRX this...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459254&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459254 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 19690
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 4:14pm

Originally posted by RachandJack RachandJack wrote:

WRX this is also said in a nice tone not an in your face one. Breastfeeding is everywhere because its so much better for baby (except in rare circumstances) I'm sure you are aware of the statistics so when you take everything out of the equation breastfeeding seems like the obvious choice. Most (but not all) mums want to breastfeed so if you had a hard time breastfeeding and had to stop for whatever reason wouldn't you want more support and help for any other mothers in that same position so they don't have to go through what you went through? Just because its sensitive for some Mums doesn't mean everyone has to sit around quietly hoping not to upset them.


Ahh, finally someone sums up what I was htyinking much more eloquently than I! Well said. And I can't believe this thread is still going!
Annnnd like I keep saying, its everywhere becasue it is part of the WHO code that health professionals MUST comply with and part of the midwives/nurses job to "push" it, regardless of their own personal feelings about it.

Edited by fattartsrock]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:14:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459254&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459254 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : No i didnt say anything, maybe...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459140&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459140 Author: MelanieAndBree
Subject: 19690
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 2:54pm

No i didnt say anything, maybe i shouldnt have been such a wuss. But if the nurses had of been less pushy about it, maybe i would of had the guts to actually say something rather than them making me feel like breastfeeding was the only way to go and if my feed my child formula shes gonna get sick and die or something. Maybe it sound slike im placing blame on people but thats just how it was for me, is that okay?

Also my friend was at the same place and she actually WAS looked down on because she chose to ff. They got all snotty and said that she needs to supply her own formula, which is fair enough, but shouldnt they have told her that from the start?

Anyway the point is, she said from the word go and they treated her like she was doing something wrong.

 And im not "not taking responsibility" because i do take responsibility for not breast feeding, like i said it wasnt my thing. Im just saying that because i formula feed my child i am not doing my child wrong. And i should not be made to feel like i AM doing the wrong thing



Edited by MelanieAndBree]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:54:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459140&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459140 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Mel you said yourself you never...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459029&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459029 Author: Rachael21
Subject: 19690
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 1:54pm

Mel you said yourself you never said you didn't want to so how is everyone suppose to know you didn't want to do it. No offence here but breastfeeding is 'supposed' to be the norm so unless you say otherwise its expected you will breastfeed. I agree a lot of nurses don't go about it the right way but sometimes we have to take responsibilty for ourselves and our decisions.

I personally don't love breastfeeding more than anything else and after two years of it (with a small gap in the middle) its still feels kind of weird but I (and this is the way I chose to live I don't expect others to do the same) feel like I have to do the best for my children and if Bfing is the best then thats what i'm going to do. I love some parts of bfing just not as much as some people think.

WRX this is also said in a nice tone not an in your face one. Breastfeeding is everywhere because its so much better for baby (except in rare circumstances) I'm sure you are aware of the statistics so when you take everything out of the equation breastfeeding seems like the obvious choice. Most (but not all) mums want to breastfeed so if you had a hard time breastfeeding and had to stop for whatever reason wouldn't you want more support and help for any other mothers in that same position so they don't have to go through what you went through? Just because its sensitive for some Mums doesn't mean everyone has to sit around quietly hoping not to upset them. ]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:54:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459029&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459029 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : ^^heh yeah, thats how i was. Even...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459024&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459024 Author: MelanieAndBree
Subject: 19690
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 1:53pm

^^heh yeah, thats how i was. Even my family were pushing it on me even when i said i wasnt comfortable with it.

and my tone wasnt angry either, more sad. Cause its not nice being forced to do things you dont want to.

 

Maybe i wasnt meant to be a woman? lol.

]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:53:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459024&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459024 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : See thats my biggest problem with...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459002&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459002 Author: WRXnKids
Subject: 19690
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 1:24pm

See thats my biggest problem with a lot of the breastfeeding promotion and promoters (not all but most the ones i came across) is they dont know when to accept no as an answer. DPs SIL said the thought of BF makes her feel gross but her family are all nurses and midwifes who badgered her into it and she ended up BF both her kids up to almost a year which to me is wrong. Yes BF is the best for baby but why does it have to be pushed on to everyone even people who really arent comfy with it? I havent seen a baby yet that has been harmed or held back in anyway by formula feding so why does BF have to be pushed onto the people who dont want to do it?

Oh and im not saying this with anything but a wondering tone in my voice/text - not anger or anything like that]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:24:28 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=459002&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#459002 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : I may be a bit late in the thread...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458933&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458933 Author: MelanieAndBree
Subject: 19690
Posted: 04 August 2008 at 12:26pm

I may be a bit late in the thread but you people talk so much thread is huge lol. Anyways I just have to add this:

When i was in hospital after just having Briahna, like i said, i was not comfortable breastfeeding, but everyone seemed to FORCE it on me. Which was horrible. I felt as though i couldnt say to them "i really dont feel comfortable with this i cant do it"

Its like if i said that i didnt want to bf they would look down on me. Honestly they shoved her on my tit and expected me to know what the hell i was doing. Then at the maternity place it was the same, it was bf bfbf everywhere and the fact that it wasnt something i wanted to to didnt matter. Plus my milk took a long time to come and even after having given pills i still had stuff all supply.

 

My point is, well, i feel that b/fing is everywhere! Its shoved in your face and its as though if you dont do it, then your not a good mother lol.

I have nothing against the ads either, its just that maybe they should be a bit more sensitive towards those who ff. ANd those who bf should be a bit less judgemental of those who do ff. (And no im not saying that everyone here that bfs is judgemental).

]]> Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:26:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458933&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458933 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : RachandJack - Omg thank you so...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458620&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458620 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 10:42pm

RachandJack - Omg thank you so much for that link, I will definitely consider that course. Going to do a bit of ringing around tomorrow. You're awesome ]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:42:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458620&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458620 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : LOL I know, I freeze it like a...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458615&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458615 Author: Maya
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 10:35pm

LOL I know, I freeze it like a demon but never use any of it coz I have so much milk!]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:35:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458615&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458615 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Heh heh, I&#039;ve just started...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458604&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458604 Author: Mazzy
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 10:26pm

Heh heh, I've just started another thread about this.

Yeah Emma, I know what you mean about hating throwing that stuff out. I had rivers of milk running down my breasts at one stage. We haven't had a need for expressed milk yet, but should really start doing some and storing it, although I hate throwing it out when it passes its expiry. Feels like such a waste.]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:26:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458604&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458604 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : I had to throw away 6l of frozen...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458599&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458599 Author: Maya
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 10:22pm

I had to throw away 6l of frozen EBM when I weaned the gremlins coz we had realised it was making them sick with allergies. I would have loved to have been able to donate it coz for any other baby who didn't have complex allergy issues it would have been like liquid gold.

I think I draw the line at actually breastfeeding someone else's child, it is historically very common in Maori society but it just creeps me out.]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:22:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458599&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458599 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : kakapo wrote: fleury wrote: ...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458592&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458592 Author: Mazzy
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 10:14pm

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by fleury fleury wrote:

Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

In america you can buy breastmilk that has been pasturised etc. I think its an awesome idea, those that are great making milk could supply to those of us that have problems. Far better than giving cows milk based formulas. There has also been a return to wet nursing in the US, another awesome idea IMO.


Now that is a fantastic idea.


Sorry, this is OT but I just wanted to follow on from the above quotes...


I struggled for 12 weeks in an attempt to BF my DS, and had a very low milk supply so couldn't give him much EBM either. He was bottle fed from day 5 onwards. It didn't really bother me whether he was fed via boobie or bottle, as long as he was healthy and happy, but I did want to give him as much EBM as possible. We were incredibly blessed to meet another mother who lived near us, with a son just one week younger than ours, who wanted to help us out. She had an abundant milk supply and offered to give us EBM for our son, which she did for 10 weeks (an amazing feat, I owe her soooo much babysitting to return the favour ). We had only met once beforehand, which made me think she must be the most wonderful person in the world offering to do that for a total stranger.



Oh how cool! I would love to do this and thought about offering for one of my friends at our coffee group, who just had a baby boy about five weeks after I had DD2 - she didn't have any milk. But I didn't want to gross her out (I know some people don't think it's a very nice offer) and also didn't want to make her feel like I was pushing BF or trying to make her feel bad...IYKWIM.
I have sooooo much milk, no idea why, my midwife said I should have had twins because I have so much. I'd love to give some away!

My mum and her best friend had babies three days apart (my younger brother, not me) and I know they often fed each other's child. Handy for babysitting! I think it's such a natural thing but some people think it's gross. I]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:14:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458592&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458592 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : kakapo wrote: fleury wrote: ...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458486&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458486 Author: Rachael21
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 9:05pm

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by fleury fleury wrote:

Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

In america you can buy breastmilk that has been pasturised etc. I think its an awesome idea, those that are great making milk could supply to those of us that have problems. Far better than giving cows milk based formulas. There has also been a return to wet nursing in the US, another awesome idea IMO.


Now that is a fantastic idea.


Sorry, this is OT but I just wanted to follow on from the above quotes...


I struggled for 12 weeks in an attempt to BF my DS, and had a very low milk supply so couldn't give him much EBM either. He was bottle fed from day 5 onwards. It didn't really bother me whether he was fed via boobie or bottle, as long as he was healthy and happy, but I did want to give him as much EBM as possible. We were incredibly blessed to meet another mother who lived near us, with a son just one week younger than ours, who wanted to help us out. She had an abundant milk supply and offered to give us EBM for our son, which she did for 10 weeks (an amazing feat, I owe her soooo much babysitting to return the favour ).  We had only met once beforehand, which made me think she must be the most wonderful person in the world offering to do that for a total stranger.



Wow what an amazing woman.

When I was about 5 months old our nextdoor neighbour had a baby and for some reason she couldn't bf him and he would take a bottle so my Mum bf him for a wee bit until he would take the bottle.

Steph to be a childbirth educator (antenatal teacher) you can do a course by correspondence check this out.]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:05:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458486&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458486 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : fleury wrote: cuppatea wrote:In...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458365&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458365 Author: kakapo
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 8:06pm

Originally posted by fleury fleury wrote:

Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

In america you can buy breastmilk that has been pasturised etc. I think its an awesome idea, those that are great making milk could supply to those of us that have problems. Far better than giving cows milk based formulas. There has also been a return to wet nursing in the US, another awesome idea IMO.


Now that is a fantastic idea.

Sorry, this is OT but I just wanted to follow on from the above quotes...

I struggled for 12 weeks in an attempt to BF my DS, and had a very low milk supply so couldn't give him much EBM either. He was bottle fed from day 5 onwards. It didn't really bother me whether he was fed via boobie or bottle, as long as he was healthy and happy, but I did want to give him as much EBM as possible. We were incredibly blessed to meet another mother who lived near us, with a son just one week younger than ours, who wanted to help us out. She had an abundant milk supply and offered to give us EBM for our son, which she did for 10 weeks (an amazing feat, I owe her soooo much babysitting to return the favour ).  We had only met once beforehand, which made me think she must be the most wonderful person in the world offering to do that for a total stranger.

]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:06:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458365&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458365 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : WOW, I&#039;ve been sick with...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458237&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458237 Author: nuttymama
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 4:48pm

WOW, I've been sick with the flu and look what I've missed.

The only opinion I have on this is Do What YOU Bloody well want and to Hell with everyone else!!!!!!! .

My Experiences are

FIRST

Sore cracked nipples, womb infection, breast infection, pain and crying every feed, topping up with formula (Not a lot of milk supply) and doctor suggested I bottle feed as I was so distressed. Best decision I ever made.

Happy healthy child.

SECOND

started breastfeeding even expressing loved it as had better support (although not much milk) but started losing weight at an alarming rate (due to a medical problem) both doctor and midwife told me I had to bottle feed for my own health. Plunket made me feel like crap several months later for not breastfeeding so stopped seeing them.

Happy, healthy child.

THIRD

Had lots of problems with miss three was on the verge of giving up breastfeeding and then had a lovely supportive plunket nurse who gave me some great ways to improve milk supply if I wanted, and encouraged me in a very nice unpreassuring way. Even gave me information on the best formula for top ups. BF until she was 13 months.

Happy, healthy child

Contrary to popular or the beliefs of some there is no hard and fast rule.]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:48:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458237&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458237 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : caitlynsmygirl wrote:perhaps...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458149&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458149 Author: Maya
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 3:16pm

Originally posted by caitlynsmygirl caitlynsmygirl wrote:

perhaps im lucky in that ive always been my own biggest fan


LOL my sisters teacher once told my parents she likes herself too much, you guys would get on great! ]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:16:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458149&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458149 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : I gave up after page 2. I agree...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458018&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458018 Author: MelanieAndBree
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 12:06pm

I gave up after page 2.

 

I agree with Kelly.

 

 

One thing.. ive never seen BOTTLE feeding being promoted?? Just ads for that formula thats for 1 -3 year olds. Id hardly call that promoting it..

??

]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:06:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=458018&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#458018 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Haha ... I gave up after page...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457942&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457942 Author: lilfatty
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 10:06am

Haha ... I gave up after page 5!

I did ask DH if he had ever seen the ads .. he said yep - so have you

So my honest opinion is they cant have been that amazing (to get 10 pages of replies over them) as I cant even recall them!

I did like the comment that if they promote 12 months bf they should supply 12 months ppl

Oh and Issy was bf (and I got info galore - except how to do it - the nurses would just shove her on) and I did enjoy feeding her ... now she is ff as Mummy went to work and Daddy doesnt have boobies.]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 10:06:57 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457942&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457942 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Spencer isn&#039;t going to grow...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457876&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457876 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 7:43am

Spencer isn't going to grow up, I made a deal with him when he was born that he has to stay little forever ]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:43:59 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457876&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457876 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : also , just to clarify , im all...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457866&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457866 Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 1:10am

also , just to clarify , im all for breast feeding , i think its a beautiful thing, but if a woman chooses to bottlefeed then im all for that too,mainly , and perhaps this is a very black and white way of looking for it , im all for feeding your child ...i would be more upset if i came on here and people were saying "oh i know, i havent fed Bob at all for 3 days" ....

All this worry now, remember , one day our little darlings are going to be TEENAGERS, and have boyfriends/girlfriends and kiss them ! ha,,,,bet your all planning on buying a tower to lock your children up as soon as they hit 13 now arent ya ?

and as always, my comments are not intended to insult or offend anyone ]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:10:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457866&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457866 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : You women talk too much , i gave...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457864&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457864 Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 19690
Posted: 03 August 2008 at 1:02am

You women talk too much , i gave up after page four , so i apologise in advance if this next comment is unnecessary

I havent seen the ads, so cant comment on them as such , but what i find sad is that women still feel like they are failures for bottle feeding .
When i first held my daughter, that slimy , bloody , vernixy beautiful mess of a miracle i promised her i would do anything in my power to protect her, to keep her safe and to feed and clothe her, I was lucky ,i had no problems breastfeeding and we latched together like we'd been doing it all our lives (as hers was a total of 5 minutes outside the womb ,she had , haha)
But if it had been the case that id had to bottle feed her , i would have done the same , and i would have just thought "im doing what i promised her i would, i am providing food for her , and getting her strong" .,perhaps im lucky in that ive always been my own biggest fan ,and have always been confident in my decisions, but at the end of the day , isnt that what we are all doing ? feeding our children ?
I think as mothers a lot of the time, we are our own worst enemy, we worry about our decisions and how they will affect our children too much , the journey of mother hood is already difficult enough without punishing ourselves for what we do or dont do , show me a perfect mother , and i will show you a tree with a million dollars (please nobody show me a perfect mother, i dont actualy have a money tree) all we can do , is the best we can .
I have nothing against informing women of breastfeeding, nor do i have anything against informing women of bottle feeding , and i would never judge another person for whatever choice they made, because it is theres to make .

Sorry for the ramble that probably made no sense, but its 1 am and i should be in bed ]]> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:02:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457864&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457864 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Yep LLL for sure. They do training...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457795&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457795 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 10:05pm

Yep LLL for sure. They do training courses. We have got one coming up here in Blen town in november to train peer councellers]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 22:05:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457795&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457795 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : One day chick you&#039;ll be immortalised...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457781&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457781 Author: emz
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 9:55pm

One day chick you'll be immortalised in gold Just like whoever decided 'marnus' would be a good word for an ad! Hehe love it

It's quite funny really, DH calls me 'pippy pants' (such a nice lad) but only cos he couldn't say pissy one time in front of family. Don't ya just love 'awesome' nicknames.

Steph - can't remember, but maybe you could contact your local polytech and see if they have any intro courses relating to midwifery/woman's issues/social work that might give you a taste for what you want to do? But I reckon LLL would be good to contact.

Edited by emz]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:55:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457781&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457781 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : I think I&#039;ve started a new...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457780&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457780 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 9:54pm

I think I've started a new trend with the word 'pissy' LOVING IT ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:54:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457780&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457780 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Hear, hear! ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457701&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457701 Author: emz
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 9:20pm



Hear, hear!]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:20:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457701&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457701 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : I just cant believe how much you...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457652&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457652 Author: my2angels
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 8:58pm

I just cant believe how much you guys worry about who breastfeeds or not. In 10 years time no one is going to ask or remember if you breast feed or bottle feed your baby.
I dont know why i even look at these threads cos i know im only going to get frustrated. I knew from before I had either of my children that i wouldnt breastfeed, not because im lazy but because the thought of it made me feel phsically sick, I tried it, and also tried not to vomit while i did it. I hated it and wont pretend I think its the best thing or feel like I failed because my children were formula feed.   if someone asked me tomorrow if I breast or bottle feed them I would think they are crazy, like it makes a difference, they were feed and are now healthy happy children end of story!!!!!
Surely there are more important things to worry about in the world than judging a mother for how ever she chooses to feed her baby, worry about the ones who dont feed them full stop.
If you can and want to breastfeed sweet, well done, thats great but it doesnt mean everyone has to do it or enjoy it so no point in judging people or getting 'pissy' when you see or here of someone ff, just think well at least they are feeding them and taking care of thier baby.


Edited by my2angels]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:58:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457652&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457652 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Yeah I thought about talking to...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457388&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457388 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 5:24pm

Yeah I thought about talking to someone there and maybe career services. I also love the idea of working for Plunket as an educator, specifically teaching the antenatal classes they run - they were fantastic & the lady that taught our group was lovely! I could do both .... ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:24:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457388&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457388 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Maybe ask your local LLL as a...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457383&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457383 Author: mummy_becks
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 5:19pm

Maybe ask your local LLL as a starting point.

]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:19:59 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457383&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457383 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Thanks Becks, just no idea where...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457382&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457382 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 5:19pm

Thanks Becks, just no idea where I am suppose to start. Tried googling but hasn't been much help yet]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:19:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457382&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457382 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Good on your Steph what a cool...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457365&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457365 Author: mummy_becks
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 5:01pm

Good on your Steph what a cool thing to do. I think Annie does something like that in Blenheim and I think Jennz is involved with that in England.

]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:01:48 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457365&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457365 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Knowing me id stuff that up aswell...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457357&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457357 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 4:54pm

Knowing me id stuff that up aswell lmao, but I will try! Thanks ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:54:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457357&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457357 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Sheena you should try Edmonds...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457354&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457354 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 4:50pm

Sheena you should try Edmonds Scone mix, they are fail proof and sooo soo scrummy! Just add water I think? ...I've bought them several times and mum makes them, can't go wrong! Should be in the baking section of supermarket, orange bag. ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:50:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457354&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457354 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Bizzy wrote:yummy mummy - no...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457338&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457338 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 4:22pm

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

yummy mummy - no its not JUST food... thats the point breast milk is so much more...

and poor steph... i said i get pissy too. bash someone else for a change.

now i am off to eat the scones i just baked!


Wasnt bashing her, just expressing my concern.

Yumm scones!! Enjoy!! I cant make them very well but my nana makes YUMM ones!! ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:22:46 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457338&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457338 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Yeah sane with the girls at my...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457335&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457335 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 4:21pm

Yeah sane with the girls at my coffee group, cos to start with I felt a bit upset as they were all breastfeeding and I was bottle feeding, I didnt feel guilty just a bit down about it.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:21:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457335&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457335 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Yeah I went on a bigger downer...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457326&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457326 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 4:17pm

Yeah I went on a bigger downer as well, I cried the night before going to coffee group cos I would be the only one bottle feeding. Madness, i feel better now though knowing it was hormones. The girls at coffee were great as well cos they knew how much I had been struggling so there was no judgement from them which was awesome.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:17:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457326&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457326 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Emma, I didnt know that about...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457322&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457322 Author: peanut butter
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 4:13pm

Emma, I didnt know that about the second round of baby blue but it does make sense.  I felt down too and thought it was just sad that he didnt need me anymore...but it felt more irrational than that....hormonal definately.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:13:54 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457322&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457322 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Maya wrote:It&#039;s all pretty...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457315&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457315 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 4:09pm

Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

It's all pretty fresh for you too Sheena, it gets easier with time. When I weaned the gremlins the lactation consultant warned me that it is usual to get a second dose of the baby blues when you stop breastfeeding as the hormones adjust. It made so much sense coz I did have a few days of being really miserable after I weaned Maya and sure enough, it happened again with the gremlins.


Yeah I have actually been a bit down lately, the other night I got a bit teary eyed when I thought of the fact that I wasnt breastfeeding anymore, I miss the way he would hold onto my necklace or top when he fed or how he would like knead at my boob lol

Steph I agree, sometimes you just have to say whats on your mind and stand up for yourself. I also think that you(as in everyone) have to be prepared for the backlash of standing up for yourself lol Ahh the joys of debating huh!!

HUGS


Edited by CadensMum]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:09:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457315&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457315 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Good luck Sheena, we had a very...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457313&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457313 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 4:06pm

Good luck Sheena, we had a very bumpy start here too which is why I'm VERY proud that I persevered! I'm just blessed that I had a kid that managed to thrive on my breastmilk.

Fingers crossed you manage to establish breastfeeding again, if theres a will theres a way. I'm sure I've heard of remedies and meds that can help in that area.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:06:09 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457313&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457313 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : It&#039;s all pretty fresh for...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457311&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457311 Author: Maya
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 4:04pm

It's all pretty fresh for you too Sheena, it gets easier with time. When I weaned the gremlins the lactation consultant warned me that it is usual to get a second dose of the baby blues when you stop breastfeeding as the hormones adjust. It made so much sense coz I did have a few days of being really miserable after I weaned Maya and sure enough, it happened again with the gremlins. ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:04:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457311&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457311 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Bizzy wrote:yummy mummy - no...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457310&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457310 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 4:04pm

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

yummy mummy - no its not JUST food... thats the point breast milk is so much more...

and poor steph... i said i get pissy too. bash someone else for a change.

now i am off to eat the scones i just baked!


haha Deb thanks, but I'm alright. A few comments aren't going to send me packing - but nice try guys lol

If anyone tries to drag up that quote again I won't bother further trying to explain myself - why should i? I'm allowed my opinion and as of now I am not going to be scared to speak up on here, or anywhere for htat mater. Hiding behind other people/excuses & not speaking up won't get me anywhere in life! If people don't like it, tough cookies for them!

]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:04:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457310&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457310 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Mum2Lucas wrote:No hard feelings...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457299&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457299 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:59pm

Originally posted by Mum2Lucas Mum2Lucas wrote:

No hard feelings chick, tis my own fault for not elaborating at the time. You know what its like when you get carried away on a topic thats close to your heart I didn't *think* before I posted that and I certainly didn't mean it the way you, and others on here interpreted it. Please don't feel that you can't come to an ohbaby meet and feed caden infront of me or anyone - you are doing the best you can as a mother and your wee boy is gorgeous!

One thing I have realised from all of this though, is that a lactation consultant would be a WICKED job, to be able to help woman get the experience I have with Lucas. Something for me to think about now.


Yep I understand that when you are passionate about something you can get carried away, and I guess that comment hit a nerve in me, Im sorry if I sounded grumpy, I wasnt really, I just was a bit upset that I "might" be frowned upon for bottle feeding, thats all.
I really did try my little heart out to fully breastfeed Caden, and Im proud of myself for it, I fed him through excruciatingly painful nipples, I tried every cream on the market and I would persisit with latching him on, but in the end for his health, I had to formula feed and he is thriving now. However my nipples are finally healed and I want to try and bring my milk back in and breastfeed 3-4 times a day before formula Hopefully it works!

I felt a little guilty to start with giving him formula, felt like I was failing him a bit, but Im totally over that now, as I know formula is whats best for his health right now. I will give him a bottle in public and to hell with anyone who says anything to me about it as I know, that I tried my damn best to breastfeed

ETA-Oh and by his health I mean, he wanst gaining weight and was on the verge of getting quite unwell. I realise breastmilk has heaps of fantastic things in it for their health, hence why Id like to try and breastfeed him aswell, and for the bonding.

Edited by CadensMum]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:59:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457299&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457299 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Thank you guys, I think I have...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457297&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457297 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:59pm

Thank you guys, I think I have FINALLY realized what it is I want to do career wise. I've been contemplating studying for so long but couldn't decide.

What a wonderful job it would be to be a lactation consultant, that way I could help mothers establish breastfeeding and work towards the wonderful experience I have had with my first born, I love children, babies especially. Could be something to work towards right?

You guys are awesome ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:59:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457297&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457297 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : yummy mummy - no its not JUST...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457280&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457280 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:46pm

yummy mummy - no its not JUST food... thats the point breast milk is so much more...

and poor steph... i said i get pissy too. bash someone else for a change.

now i am off to eat the scones i just baked!]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:46:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457280&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457280 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Aww ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457279&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457279 Author: arohanui
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:45pm

Aww ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:45:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457279&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457279 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : No hard feelings chick, tis my...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457275&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457275 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:45pm

No hard feelings chick, tis my own fault for not elaborating at the time. You know what its like when you get carried away on a topic thats close to your heart I didn't *think* before I posted that and I certainly didn't mean it the way you, and others on here interpreted it. Please don't feel that you can't come to an ohbaby meet and feed caden infront of me or anyone - you are doing the best you can as a mother and your wee boy is gorgeous!

One thing I have realised from all of this though, is that a lactation consultant would be a WICKED job, to be able to help woman get the experience I have with Lucas. Something for me to think about now.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:45:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457275&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457275 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Mum2Lucas wrote:Sheena did...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457269&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457269 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:42pm

Originally posted by Mum2Lucas Mum2Lucas wrote:

Sheena did you not see my apology and further explanation? That is certainly NOT how I wanted to make anyone feel and I'm sorry but I think you have completely got the wrong end of the stick and you are guilt tripping yourself.

As long as you are providing Caden with love, food, clothing and shelter I think you are doing a wonderful job (REGARDLESS of whether he is FF or BF) - why must people taken ONE sentence of something I said (and SHOULD HAVE further elaborated on at the time) and completely twist and misconstrue it.


No havent read all the posts so missed that one. But you have to understand that your comment was going to offend some people, what if I said that I get pissy seeing someone breastfeeding, you would be offended by that cos you are pro breastfeeding ANYWAYS, Im not saying anymore on this subject lol, I dont like fights and stuff

I dont like to argue on here, but I ad to speak up on that one. No hard feelings.

And I agree with liz, its not getting anywhere debating this lol

loves to EVERYONE!!!

Edited by CadensMum]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:42:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457269&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457269 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : I like it! I can make him change...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457264&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457264 Author: Maya
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:39pm

I like it! I can make him change the gremlins but he won't go near Chiara.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:39:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457264&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457264 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Maya wrote: Mazzy wrote:I...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457241&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457241 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:25pm

Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Originally posted by Mazzy Mazzy wrote:

I like the ads, especially the one with the dad burping the baby.


I wanna see the dad changing the nappy! Willie's excuse it that she is "too small" for him to change *rolls eyes*


I saw an Aussie Add which depicted a Dad nappy changing competition! ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:25:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457241&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457241 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Feeling the love ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457240&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457240 Author: Maya
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:24pm

Feeling the love

]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:24:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457240&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457240 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Come on guys, don&#039;t you think...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457233&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457233 Author: arohanui
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:21pm

Come on guys, don't you think enough is enough on this subject? It's not really getting anywhere...

...feel the love.... ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:21:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457233&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457233 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : fattartsrock wrote:Lol, Charlotte...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457229&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457229 Author: Kels
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:19pm

Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

Lol, Charlotte is still "too small" according to Rod, ROFLMAO

ROFLMAO!!

]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:19:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457229&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457229 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : JMHO but if you are confident...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457225&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457225 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:18pm

JMHO but if you are confident that you did your best to BF and it didn't work out for whatever reasons, and you made the decision to FF as it was in the best interests of both mother & baby THEN WHY would you feel self conscious feeding your baby with a bottle in public?

Regardless of what any of us have said on this matter, it is no ones business but Mother & babies. If you made an informed decision then I don't see what the problem is? ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:18:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457225&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457225 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Lol, Charlotte is still &#034;too...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457219&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457219 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:16pm

Lol, Charlotte is still "too small" according to Rod, ROFLMAO]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:16:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457219&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457219 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Mazzy wrote:I like the ads,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457218&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457218 Author: Maya
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:15pm

Originally posted by Mazzy Mazzy wrote:

I like the ads, especially the one with the dad burping the baby.


I wanna see the dad changing the nappy! Willie's excuse it that she is "too small" for him to change *rolls eyes*]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:15:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457218&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457218 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Sheena did you not see my apology...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457212&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457212 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:13pm

Sheena did you not see my apology and further explanation? That is certainly NOT how I wanted to make anyone feel and I'm sorry but I think you have completely got the wrong end of the stick and you are guilt tripping yourself.

As long as you are providing Caden with love, food, clothing and shelter I think you are doing a wonderful job (REGARDLESS of whether he is FF or BF) - why must people taken ONE sentence of something I said (and SHOULD HAVE further elaborated on at the time) and completely twist and misconstrue it.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:13:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457212&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457212 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Well said yummymummy You know,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457206&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457206 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 3:08pm

Well said yummymummy

You know, everyone has different views on things but when it comes down to it, all that matters is that the baby is getting fed and is happy and healthy.
My baby is happy and healthy as can be and he is fully formula fed at the moment due to my breastfeeding issues, which I am trying to resolve, but if I cant, I have no problems at all with caden to continue being on formula.

Steph-In regards to one of your other comments on you getitng "pissy" when you see a baby being bottle fed, I was just thinking, I would actually feel rather uncomfortable about going to another ohbaby meet up now cos of that comment, I dont feel as though I would be able to give caden his bottle without being looked down upon and thats upsetting.

Edited by CadensMum]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:08:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457206&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457206 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : We all want to do the best for...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457177&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457177 Author: yummymummy
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 2:48pm

We all want to do the best for our kids and to get them the best start in life. And sometimes things just don't work out as they should.
I personally thing breast is OK and formula is OK - as long as baby is well fed, then it's OK
I like the new ads - I think more support for b'feeding and more acceptance in the general population is a good thing. Now that I'm back at work, I'm fed up with hearing the question "how long are you going to express for? you've done enough!" - it's my business for goodness sake.
I also think the whole b'feeding thing is pushed down at mums too much by mw, hospitals, Plunket etc. And what's up with calling it "liquid gold"??? It's only food
I also think it's a lot of fuss over something that lasts relatively short while in a child's life.
A little personal sotry: When I had Gina and had trouble b'feeding, all of my mums memories come back to haunt her as she had been unalbe to b'feed me due to lack of supply. When I started taking motilium domperidone and my milk came in, mum talked about it for a while saying how she wished it was around when I was a baby so she too would have been able to feed me. So 30 years on, she still feels a little guitly about FF me!!! And I'm OK, I'm not mad I was FF! That's what bugs me about the breast is best thing - that the message is making so many women feel guily about it when there is soooo much more to being a mum]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:48:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457177&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457177 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : You know what before we were pregnant...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457168&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457168 Author: SMoody
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 2:43pm

You know what before we were pregnant we were so so for breastfeeding. Then I got pregnant and I was even more for it. To the point that I had bottles but no formula as back up. I went the the ante natal classes and picked up every tip in the book that I could to try and make it easier.

But once that little one was there it was the help from Grant that made me presevere. The lactation consultant just upset me totally. McKayla latched on beautifully and halfway through a feed this one woman came and wanted to show me different positions ect (this is now an hour after general aneastatic I am still trying to wake up here and I had my daughter just for a few min so far). So told her to leave me alone but no she went and interfered.

That whole day the nurses came to put her on the boob. Child is screaming and they forced her on my boob with tounge up. I was literally in tears and wanted to give up. My child was crying and that night I lost it and told them they better leave right now or I am taking my child and leaving hospital. Once we were on our own Grant helped me by calming her down and then she latched on no problem. Milk came in second day.

What I am trying to say is I do kind of like the ads. So often it is said that breastfeeding is just for a mother, the dad cant be involved and it is so wrong. If it wasnt for Grant I would be breastfeeding at all.

At the same breath I have met woman that was raped and she literally cant think of putting a child on her boob but she loves her kid unconditional. She tried once and it was just too much for her. Do I judge her? No.

As parents we make decisions that fits OUR circumstances. It is never the same for another family. And we do the best we can. Will I use formula with the next kid? I will give breastfeeding my total best again but I can never say that I wont use it at all because I wont let my child starve at all. For us as a family breastfeeding will be first choice.

But I dont think bad when I see a woman with a bottle feeding her baby. I might look and think aaaah too nunu. But that is about it. ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:43:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457168&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457168 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : *ahem* I think you mean it&#039;s...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457136&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457136 Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 2:26pm

*ahem* I think you mean it's not as good as breastmilk ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:26:34 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457136&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457136 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : It&#039;s your right to give your...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457126&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457126 Author: emz
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 2:23pm

It's your right to give your opinion, but you always do it in a way that means the other person is wrong IYKWIM.

You could have replied in much better ways, such as

'Fair enough' or something like that and just left it at that. But no, you had to shoot down formula again. It's not just your belief, if formula wasn't OK it wouldn't be allowed to be given or sold. Most people know its OK, but yes, it's not as good as formula.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:23:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457126&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457126 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : emz wrote: Bizzy wrote: ...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457109&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457109 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 2:12pm

Originally posted by emz emz wrote:

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

Originally posted by Peanut Peanut wrote:

Bizzy, it is ok to give formula, its just not what you want or decided to do.


thats just your belief tho. and i'm fine with that.


OMG! Do you realise that you shoot down everything that someone says?



oh so sorry - thought i was just responding as was my right!    ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:12:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457109&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457109 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : But my view of the ads is there...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457090&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457090 Author: pikelets
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 2:02pm

[QUOTE=fleury] But my view of the ads is there not only for mothers they're for the public in general this being a government initiated promotion.
The more breastfeeding gets promoted the more normalised it will be, there are still uninformed members of the public who don't like breastfeeding in public ie: cafe owners, etc and by having a public campaign this might help make it socially acceptable.QUOTE]

I like the ads and agree with fleury as above.

There are ads on TV for formula so why not ads for breastfeeding? It is your choice (or not in some cases) whether you BF or FF. These ads are to educate people about BF not just the mothers.

I don't know why this has to be so controversial. It is a fact "Breast is best" but that doesn't mean anyone who doesn't do it is less of a good mother.

I had pain relief when I gave birth and I am not ashamed or feel stink about it. So should we not educate people about pain relief either because everyone should have a natural birth and we don't want anyone to feel stink?? No that would be ridculous.   Knowledge is power - it lets you make informed decisions.

There is a great article about these ads in the latest Kiwiparent magazine.



Edited by Star]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:02:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457090&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457090 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : i haven&#039;t read all of the...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457079&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457079 Author: Lilypad
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 1:56pm

i haven't read all of the posts so this may have already been stated.

Part of the reason why the ads have come out promoting breastfeeding is a tool to cut back on domestic violence relating to young babies and children.

The idea being breastfeeding is a bonding experience and creating that strong bond will cut down some of the violence and abuse that occurs in some families.

THis doesn't mean that if you bottle feed you are going to bash your baby or anything stupid. It doesn't mean that you won't bond as well with your baby. There are a million different ways to bond with your baby, this is just one way that proves quite effective so if it's working to help bring families closer together why knock it?



]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:56:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457079&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457079 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Very well said Mazzy - agree totally...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457071&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457071 Author: ellen
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 1:45pm

Very well said Mazzy - agree totally and I was a ff baby and ff my babies. I do believe there needs to be more support for ff mums but not to the detriment of promoting bf. It's sad that ff mums feel the need to justify their decisions and in doing so feel they are being judged by bf mums. BF mums should be able to celebrate their success in feeding.

I think ff mums can feel a stigma because of the lack of information available and professionals not being allowed to talk about it unless asked which almost makes it a taboo subject. JMHO.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:45:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457071&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457071 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Mazzy wrote:I I&#039;d love...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457061&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457061 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 1:32pm

Originally posted by Mazzy Mazzy wrote:

I
I'd love to see a breast milk bank or a move towards wet nursing in NZ. I think it's such a cool idea but probably many years away.

Me too, it is a great idea.

I'm anti- formula advertising, particularly in such a mass media outlet as TV. There obviously needs to be more information out there for people who formula feed, but I think that would need to be supplied through targeted channels and driven by the government, not the formula companies - they wouldn't spend their marketing dollars on a campaign unless they could say their product was the *best* and better than anything else, and to my mind that would be detrimental to encouraging people to breast feed.

yep, hearing you there.

To clarify - I'm not anti-formula, but I am pro-breast feeding. I don't think being pro-bf makes me anti ff, they aren't mutually exclusive.

And that last quote sums up my feelings exactly, however I am destined to be seen by some on this board as the anti FF witch, but I couldn't care less.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:32:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457061&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457061 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Emz, that&#039;s an awesome concept...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457060&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457060 Author: Mazzy
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 1:31pm

Emz, that's an awesome concept - you should write to whoever is doing the ads and suggest it - seriously!

Charge them for it oo! ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:31:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457060&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457060 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : I like the ads, especially the...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457056&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457056 Author: Mazzy
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 1:29pm

I like the ads, especially the one with the dad burping the baby. I took them as an attempt to help normalise breast feeding to the general public. They focus mostly on what families and friends can do to help breast feeding mums, which is awesome.

I'd love to see a breast milk bank or a move towards wet nursing in NZ. I think it's such a cool idea but probably many years away.

I'm anti- formula advertising, particularly in such a mass media outlet as TV. There obviously needs to be more information out there for people who formula feed, but I think that would need to be supplied through targeted channels and driven by the government, not the formula companies - they wouldn't spend their marketing dollars on a campaign unless they could say their product was the *best* and better than anything else, and to my mind that would be detrimental to encouraging people to breast feed.

To clarify - I'm not anti-formula, but I am pro-breast feeding. I don't think being pro-bf makes me anti ff, they aren't mutually exclusive.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:29:52 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457056&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457056 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : For the millionth time, the reson...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457053&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457053 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 1:26pm

For the millionth time, the reson why BF is government funded for advertising and DHBs push is is because it is part of the WHO guidlines, like most of the "rules" in regards to drugs and treatments etc. ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:26:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457053&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457053 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : What is the difference between...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457051&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457051 Author: ellen
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 1:24pm

What is the difference between bf vs ff and giving birth drug free naturally vs intervention with pethidene, epidurals, etc. And I'm not talking about emergency forceps, c sections where baby is in danger, but situations where women choose to have pain relief because they're not coping with contractions? Why do we not feel so strongly about passing drugs to baby through these processes but there is such strong feeling about the whole bf vs ff debate? Why do women who have pain relief not get told they didn't try hard enough?
Seems like double standards to me?]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:24:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457051&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457051 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : The timed one is a good idea,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457046&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457046 Author: LittleBug
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 1:19pm

The timed one is a good idea, emz!]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:19:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457046&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457046 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : And BTW you&#039;re clearly not...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457043&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457043 Author: emz
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 1:12pm

And BTW you're clearly not fine with it, just like I'm not fine with your comments which is why I'm not just staying quiet.

But anyway, like I said originally, I think the ads are good as a whole. They don't beat around the bush or portray b/f as easy. What would be even better would be to see a mother in tears while feeding her baby and then have support people come in and help or help around the house. Or maybe a timed one, so say 1 week, 6 weeks, 3 months etc and show how it gets easier. That would be more effective maybe? The sort of 'light at the end of the tunnel' thing?]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:12:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457043&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457043 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Bizzy wrote: Peanut wrote:Bizzy,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457039&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457039 Author: emz
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 1:10pm

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

Originally posted by Peanut Peanut wrote:

Bizzy, it is ok to give formula, its just not what you want or decided to do.


thats just your belief tho. and i'm fine with that.


OMG! Do you realise that you shoot down everything that someone says?

It is OK to give formula... what would you have us do when we can't/don't breastfeed - let our babies starve? Be it on your head then. That is such a narrow-minded view of the world. I think you need to open your eyes to reality vs what you obviously see now.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:10:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457039&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457039 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Bizzy wrote: WRXandJosh wrote:What...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457035&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457035 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 1:01pm

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

Originally posted by WRXandJosh WRXandJosh wrote:

What annoys me is that FF and BF is segregated because of how it is treated in general!! Why promote breastfeeding when formula companies cant advertise their From Birth formulas just from Toddler? This has nothing to do with if you BF or FF it is a segregation that is being put into society that causes debates like this. If both were advertise then both would be the norm and no one would feel a need to get up in arms about it all


yes but then people would think it is ok to give formula...


Its IS ok to give formula.

Its ok to both BF and FF, far out ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:01:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457035&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457035 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : There are also two breast milk...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457032&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457032 Author: Katherine
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 12:55pm

There are also two breast milk banks in Australia, the PREM Bank at King Edward Memorial Hospital in Perth, and a pilot program at the John Flynn Private Hospital on the Gold Coast. I wish that this was something New Zealand would develop as I think it's amazing.

]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:55:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457032&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457032 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : cuppatea wrote:In america you...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457020&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457020 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 12:43pm

Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

In america you can buy breastmilk that has been pasturised etc. I think its an awesome idea, those that are great making milk could supply to those of us that have problems. Far better than giving cows milk based formulas. There has also been a return to wet nursing in the US, another awesome idea IMO.


Now that is a fantastic idea. ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:43:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457020&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457020 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : People should think it is ok to...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457014&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457014 Author: WRXnKids
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 12:32pm

People should think it is ok to give formula tho. I dont want people coming up to me telling my im harming my baby because im not breastfeeding all because the tv imply that breastfeeding is the only way. Its not the only way.

Breastfeeding might be better than formula but you can say that about a lot of things but you dont get as much criticism for choosing butter over marg for example. I would be happier for the government to fund the campaign if formula feeding was allowed to be acknowledged as an option for those who wish to take it not seen like a taboo.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:32:54 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=457014&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#457014 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Peanut wrote:Bizzy, it is ok...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456988&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456988 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 11:57am

Originally posted by Peanut Peanut wrote:

Bizzy, it is ok to give formula, its just not what you want or decided to do.


thats just your belief tho. and i'm fine with that.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:57:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456988&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456988 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : In america you can buy breastmilk...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456983&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456983 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 11:45am

In america you can buy breastmilk that has been pasturised etc. I think its an awesome idea, those that are great making milk could supply to those of us that have problems. Far better than giving cows milk based formulas. There has also been a return to wet nursing in the US, another awesome idea IMO.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:45:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456983&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456983 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : That would explain why the breastfeeding...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456972&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456972 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 11:37am

That would explain why the breastfeeding campaign is a government funded promotion.
No company is going to make money out of breast feeding. Its not like you can sell your boobs/breast milk to someone who can't. Now that would be an interesting debate. ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:37:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456972&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456972 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : I think the point is more that...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456944&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456944 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 10:59am

I think the point is more that if the formula companies could advertise from newborn then with their multi million dollar budgets they would be able to bombard new and expectant mothers with info about formula, free samples etc like they use to be able to and some mums who aren't educated about breastfeeding would take that route cos that is what they are being told about and the breastfeeding message would get lost.

I think her wording wasn't great in that post because yes it is ok to give formula but it really should never be the first option it should only be used if breastfeeding is not able to happen for whatever reason and that is why the government doesn't allow them to advertise and sway the opinion of those who don't realise the extensive benefits of breastfeeding.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:59:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456944&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456944 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Bizzy, it is ok to give formula,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456925&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456925 Author: Peanut
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 10:33am

Bizzy, it is ok to give formula, its just not what you want or decided to do. ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:33:55 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456925&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456925 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : WRXandJosh wrote:What annoys...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456908&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456908 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 10:01am

Originally posted by WRXandJosh WRXandJosh wrote:

What annoys me is that FF and BF is segregated because of how it is treated in general!! Why promote breastfeeding when formula companies cant advertise their From Birth formulas just from Toddler? This has nothing to do with if you BF or FF it is a segregation that is being put into society that causes debates like this. If both were advertise then both would be the norm and no one would feel a need to get up in arms about it all


yes but then people would think it is ok to give formula... ]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:01:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456908&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456908 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : I&#039;ve only read half the pages...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456867&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456867 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 19690
Posted: 02 August 2008 at 8:51am

I've only read half the pages and so may have missed some posts.
But my view of the ads is there not only for mothers they're for the public in general this being a government initiated promotion.
The more breastfeeding gets promoted the more normalised it will be, there are still uninformed members of the public who don't like breastfeeding in public ie: cafe owners, etc and by having a public campaign this might help make it socially acceptable.

I don't think it bears any reflection on formula feed babies/children, and the reason forumula is not being promoted by the government, it probably cause the manufacturers have large marketing budgets and don't need the help.

Maybe its one of those times when if you think the add is making you upset or annoyed then you've miss-interepted it.

I've only seen one of them so far, and I'd like to see some white women too.]]> Sat, 02 Aug 2008 08:51:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456867&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456867 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Maybe we should send this thread...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456697&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456697 Author: mummy_becks
Subject: 19690
Posted: 01 August 2008 at 10:13pm

Maybe we should send this thread to the government to see what they have gotten out of it.

]]> Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:13:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456697&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456697 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : What annoys me is that FF and...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456696&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456696 Author: WRXnKids
Subject: 19690
Posted: 01 August 2008 at 10:12pm

What annoys me is that FF and BF is segregated because of how it is treated in general!! Why promote breastfeeding when formula companies cant advertise their From Birth formulas just from Toddler? This has nothing to do with if you BF or FF it is a segregation that is being put into society that causes debates like this. If both were advertise then both would be the norm and no one would feel a need to get up in arms about it all]]> Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:12:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456696&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456696 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Very True, Maya! And I am sure...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456669&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456669 Author: Peanut
Subject: 19690
Posted: 01 August 2008 at 10:03pm

Very True, Maya! And I am sure you kinda get what I mean ]]> Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:03:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456669&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456669 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : I have to say I have no problem...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456657&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456657 Author: Rachael21
Subject: 19690
Posted: 01 August 2008 at 9:57pm

I have to say I have no problem with people who chose to FF from birth as long as they have done the research. We don't know their story but chances are there is some reason other than them being too "lazy".

What really annoys me is people being uninformed and passing on that wrong information to others, then them trying to justify their decision by bringing down Bfers.

Most of the breastfeeding promotions are aimed at mothers who have not yet had their baby or have just had it, not at Mums who have already switched to formulas. Its about trying to help them out not have a go at FF. If I hear someone giving wrong advice out I try and correct them not to make the FF feel bad but so the new Mum is fully informed. ]]> Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:57:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456657&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456657 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : I think the ads do have an effect,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456638&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456638 Author: Maya
Subject: 19690
Posted: 01 August 2008 at 9:48pm

I think the ads do have an effect, if they didn't they wouldn't have generated so much debate here!

]]> Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:48:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456638&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456638 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Have posted this in the other...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456636&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456636 Author: Peanut
Subject: 19690
Posted: 01 August 2008 at 9:46pm

Have posted this in the other thread but wanted to say it over here also.

I am one of those people that some of you will be pissy at but I'm ok with that!

I decided not to BF from before my DS was born. It was not my thing, filled me with dread and I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I am 100% confident in my decision. I have never had anyone question me or force their views on me. Maybe I look confident in what I am doing or maybe I am just lucky that no one has said anything to me. If people ask I just say "yip, he is formula feed". No one questions furthur and I don't feel like anyone has looked at me rudely because of it...or if they have I have been too wrapped up in my own world to notice.

I agree that alot of the comments etc re breastfeeding are taken as an attack by those that are formula feeding but at the end of the day no one can make YOU feel bad unless YOU let them. I also do get sick of all the messages out their re breastfeeding but purely because they don't interest me rather than making me feel guilty. Does that make me selfish probably but hey!

At the end of the day I am just grateful to have a happy healthy wee boy.

Just to clarify my initial statement on the ads - I don't mind them but after reading lots of posts on here about how hard breastfeeding etc can be, I just think that the money would have been better spent on actually helping those that want to feed than on ads that probably have no effect on anyone.

]]> Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:46:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456636&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456636 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : Wow, this thread exploded!! Thanks...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456621&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456621 Author: JadeC
Subject: 19690
Posted: 01 August 2008 at 9:40pm

Wow, this thread exploded!! Thanks for your replies everyone.

I thought it was interesting that they chose to portray breastfeeding as a real challenge, compared to the old earth-mother type images where it's rosy and easy and wonderful. I wonder if these kind of messages ("yep, it's hard, but worth it") messages will help people stick to it, since they'll know going into it that there will be challenges.]]> Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:40:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456621&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456621 <![CDATA[The new breastfeeding ads : GO Deez that is awesome!! ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19690&PID=456604&title=the-new-breastfeeding-ads#456604 Author: Kels
Subject: 19690
Posted: 01 August 2008 at 9:33pm

GO Deez that is awesome!!

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