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Do you know who you are going to vote for : The Maori Party has got some good...

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:47:06 +0000

Author: DJ
Subject: 21765
Posted: 02�November�2008 at 9:47pm

The Maori Party has got some good policies and mps (especially Pita Sharples) and I'd like to see them in coalition (with greens and labour), but I just can't bear Tariana! During that TV debate she answered a question by saying "that probably sounds like what I might be saying" - gawd woman, if you mean yes, say yes!

I also don't like that they don't come out and say who they will go with in coalition - I think this is important with the minor parties, as if you give them your party vote, you want to know that a vote for x is also a vote for either N or L. As the Maori party is highly likely to win electorate seats, so isn't reliant on getting a 5% threshold to be in Parliament I can't see much point in giving them your party vote - particularly since they will probably chose to prop up John Key and his cronies.

Go greens!

Do you know who you are going to vote for : You can give your party vote to...

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:14:22 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 02�November�2008 at 8:14pm

You can give your party vote to Maori if you want too.
But they're only standing in the Maori electorate seats, for which you need to be on the Maori role to vote for.
I'm not giving my party vote away to one of the minorities this year. It will either be blue or red. Still slightly undecided.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : lol anyone can vote for anyone....

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:06:09 +0000

Author: Alianasmummy
Subject: 21765
Posted: 02�November�2008 at 8:06pm

lol anyone can vote for anyone. im still going green... even if the maori party get anywhere they still have to convince labour or national (whoever they make a coaltition with) to drop tax for under $25k. which is kind of dodgey anyway because it will only help minimun wage earners and benificiaries not the majority of workers. Im definitely not supporting national and i dont want to support labour either. but atleast if green get more support they may have more say. Im not in agreeance to some of their ideals though, i think the anti smaking legislations are turning us into a nanny state. not that i smacked before but its not going to make any difference to the abusers that it was aimed at!
no way should there be tax on student loans, i think its revolting how much they make off it and then complain that there is a brain drain!

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Do you have to be Maori to vote...

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:31:44 +0000

Author: busymum
Subject: 21765
Posted: 02�November�2008 at 7:31pm

Do you have to be Maori to vote for Maori party?????

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Glow wrote:If Obama does win,...

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:26:48 +0000

Author: Candkids
Subject: 21765
Posted: 02�November�2008 at 6:26pm

Glow wrote:

If Obama does win, he' more than likely get shot

Our government is all a pack of twats,

so true, they are a pack of twats!

it will be sad if obama does get assisinated, i think he would be great.

and mc'cain seems like some old fuddy duddy nazi, and OMG just imagine if sarah palin ended up being president

Do you know who you are going to vote for : fleury wrote:If I was Maori...

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:23:50 +0000

Author: Candkids
Subject: 21765
Posted: 02�November�2008 at 6:23pm

fleury wrote:

If I was Maori I'd be voting for the Maori party, we're in Aunty Turiana's electorate and I was impressed with her performance on the TV1 debate.

.

same here!!!
i was impressed too
i think we should all be allowd to vote for her!

Do you know who you are going to vote for : If I was Maori I'd be voting...

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:42:48 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 02�November�2008 at 4:42pm

If I was Maori I'd be voting for the Maori party, we're in Aunty Turiana's electorate and I was impressed with her performance on the TV1 debate.

I think student loans should be interest free for everyone. Regardless of whether you stay here or not.
Entering the workforce with massive student debt isn't good for the economy at all.
The government aren't bankers, and so shouldn't be making a profit from students.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : the Maori party actually has some...

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:34:28 +0000

Author: lizzle
Subject: 21765
Posted: 02�November�2008 at 4:34pm

the Maori party actually has some good policies. Dh is voting for them i think.

if you earn under $25K you will pay NO tax.
Student loans - you have a five year period grace where you don't have to pay them at all (so you can go overseas and not worry about the tons of interest going on)
and......I forget, but I read all about them (again, research from school) and initially I thought they were only in for maori and so not important for me, but they have some policies that would really benefit NZ as a whole

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Glow wrote:If Obama does win,...

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:27:22 +0000

Author: cuppatea
Subject: 21765
Posted: 02�November�2008 at 1:27pm

Glow wrote:

If Obama does win, he' more than likely get shot

My DH asked me yesterday if I thought Obama would make it to be president or get shot first Sad thing is that I think at some point he will get shot, it kinda seems inevitable.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : If Obama does win, he' more...

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:07:01 +0000

Author: Glow
Subject: 21765
Posted: 02�November�2008 at 1:07pm

If Obama does win, he' more than likely get shot

Our government is all a pack of twats, if i do vote, it'l be Maaori or Green

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I know of at least 3 people who...

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:50:56 +0000

Author: JD
Subject: 21765
Posted: 02�November�2008 at 10:50am

I know of at least 3 people who what to join the police foerce but have been turned away due to other family members mixing with the wrong crowd.

I think Helen Clark is a twat

Do you know who you are going to vote for : MelanieAndBree wrote:Yeah go...

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:53:04 +0000

Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 21765
Posted: 02�November�2008 at 1:53am

MelanieAndBree wrote:

Yeah go Obama!

John Key is a twat.

OMG YES!!!!!!

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Yeah go Obama! I dont think...

Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:03:45 +0000

Author: MelanieAndBree
Subject: 21765
Posted: 02�November�2008 at 12:03am

Yeah go Obama!

I dont think im going to vote. If i do it will be Greens or Labour.

John Key is a twat.

Edited by MelanieAndBree

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I'm voting for the Bill and...

Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:48:44 +0000

Author: arohanui
Subject: 21765
Posted: 01�November�2008 at 11:48pm

I'm voting for the Bill and Ben Party.....

Do you know who you are going to vote for : CatzKids wrote:im more excited...

Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:23:36 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 01�November�2008 at 11:23pm

CatzKids wrote:

im more excited about whos going to win the US election!!

go obama

Me too ! tho I have a sad feeling it will be McCain , although that will be dumb,because if he dies in office they will get Sarah Palin as president .
I would much rather Obama...if I could chose it would be .
And OMG completly didnt even click that our voting was next week !

Do you know who you are going to vote for : emz wrote:Wow Dana, 70k for...

Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:42:28 +0000

Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 21765
Posted: 01�November�2008 at 9:42pm

emz wrote:

Wow Dana, 70k for an inmate? I guess with all the legal aid factored in as well it would be. Seems ridiculous really. I think (just my opinion here) that if you do a crime where you are dismissing others basic human rights, you should have your rights taken away. I don't think they should have gyms, TV's or nice meals, it should be soup and bread, locked in your cell for most of the day except for when you're out on the chain gang lol

I also query Nat's aim to put even more cops in the force. Labour had already made that promise and is working really hard to see it through (was one of the pledges last election) but you actually need the people WANTING to be cops, which is the problem.

SOOOOOO AGREEING WITH YOU!

Do you know who you are going to vote for : im more excited about whos going...

Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:49:07 +0000

Author: Candkids
Subject: 21765
Posted: 01�November�2008 at 2:49pm

im more excited about whos going to win the US election!!

go obama

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I don't like NCEA as its...

Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:43:02 +0000

Author: emz
Subject: 21765
Posted: 01�November�2008 at 2:43pm

I don't like NCEA as its not implemented well as a whole. The principle of it is great, but I don't like the fact you can take credits from the previous year over to the new year and then once you know you've passed you don't even have to attend your final exams (or maybe you have to attend, but you don't have to do anything).

I have always been set in my ways on the political spectru, but National did get me thinking a while back, until they started talking about implementing national standards testing at primary level There is enough comparison nationally and work samples and observation are a much better way of assessing a child's learning. There is no way I want to teach to a test (which is what happens) and no way I would want a child of mine to learn to one.

Wow Dana, 70k for an inmate? I guess with all the legal aid factored in as well it would be. Seems ridiculous really. I think (just my opinion here) that if you do a crime where you are dismissing others basic human rights, you should have your rights taken away. I don't think they should have gyms, TV's or nice meals, it should be soup and bread, locked in your cell for most of the day except for when you're out on the chain gang lol

I also query Nat's aim to put even more cops in the force. Labour had already made that promise and is working really hard to see it through (was one of the pledges last election) but you actually need the people WANTING to be cops, which is the problem.

I personally can't wait till next Saturday, we usually have election parties and it turns into a bit of a brawl between Labour and Nat supporters (nice brawling ). Last election we all got Rodney Hide masks and wore those, man we were cool

Do you know who you are going to vote for : How we see it here, my SS is in...

Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:33:47 +0000

Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 21765
Posted: 01�November�2008 at 2:33pm

How we see it here, my SS is in 6th form (year 12?) is that everyone seems to pass, there is no really clear pass or fail, they seem to get marks and credits for even putting their names on thngs.

Hubby has been hunting for apprentices for about a year and won't take anyone with less thelevel 2 NCEA, but even then, it depends on which school they ahve been at, i think. It is very confusing.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I definately agree with no 2,...

Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:04:48 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 01�November�2008 at 12:04pm

I definately agree with no 2, I think parents are poorly informed about education, and pass the blame on to teachers and school when its the parents that should be providing the frame work for learning at home.
I wonder if our attitudes to working mothers has an impact on this (not getting at anyone) but I do wonder about children that have been in daycare from babies with teachers and not parents. This may be where the idea comes from that schools have become responsible for raising children.

How do individual programmes stack up though?
I do worry that education is being dummed down, which may be ok for the average student or the one who is struggling, but I think there needs enough challenges to encourage the brighter kids to achieve.

Thanks for your post, education is certainly one of the election issues important to me.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Okay, fleury asked my education...

Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:39:49 +0000

Author: lizzle
Subject: 21765
Posted: 01�November�2008 at 11:39am

Okay, fleury asked my education stuff so here we go

1. NCEA is a great system - when it works. in most schools it doesn;t and the rules keep changing all the time.
2. Parents need to be more informed about education. At the moment, schools are heading towards individual programmes, yet Parents are still obsessed with knowing how their child is in relation to the class - and we still give out awards to this effect.
3. there are far too many kids in the classes. We have 26-28 in English and the workload is just enormous. How am I meant to cater for each child's needs when an hour class gives me approximately 2 minutes per kid
4. teaching aide funding needs to continue into years 11, 12 and 13, A child doesn't suddenly "recover" from major learning difficulties and beahvioural problems after year 10

all i can think of at present./

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I read that it costs up to 70k...

Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:14:49 +0000

Author: Danaj
Subject: 21765
Posted: 01�November�2008 at 11:14am

I read that it costs up to 70k per year to keep a prisoner locked up. How does that add up? People are paying a mortgage and raising kids on under 30k so how on earth does one idiot cost 70k to feed and clothe for a year?

Take the stress out of life, commit a crime and go to jail.......

Do you know who you are going to vote for : My mother always told me "never...

Sat, 01 Nov 2008 10:05:26 +0000

Author: ellen
Subject: 21765
Posted: 01�November�2008 at 10:05am

My mother always told me "never discuss politics or religion", but oh well.

Labour for me for my party vote - Aunty Helen's a strong woman who's proven that she can handle the tough situations, nationally and internationally. Normally a staunch Labour supporter, I've been undecided in the lead up to this election but John Key doesn't inspire me with confidence whenever I've seen him speak so him or his party have done nothing to sway my vote.

I am still undecided on who gets my electorate vote though.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : National in the past find the...

Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:23:07 +0000

Author: kebakat
Subject: 21765
Posted: 01�November�2008 at 9:23am

National in the past find the money for things like that from taking it from the healthcare system. Like there was talk about removing the rules surrounding GP charges etc. They also borrow $.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Well, IM still voting for the...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:32:05 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 11:32pm

Well, IM still voting for the flowerpot people, so meh !

Do you know who you are going to vote for : No, stupid, the guys from Pulp...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:22:30 +0000

Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 11:22pm

No, stupid, the guys from Pulp Sport, lol, not the stupid song people...

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Good call, think i'll vote...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:21:21 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 11:21pm

Good call, think i'll vote for them too ....the flowepot men

"Plant a tree, dont plant hate "

Do you know who you are going to vote for : The bill and Ben party

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:19:31 +0000

Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 11:19pm

The bill and Ben party

Do you know who you are going to vote for : sorry ..I couldn't work it...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:18:01 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 11:18pm

sorry ..I couldn't work it out from your post Fats, ...who are you voting for ?

Do you know who you are going to vote for : He he and I AM voting LABOUR Just...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:15:25 +0000

Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 11:15pm

He he and I AM voting LABOUR

Just so we're all clear!

LABOUR LABOUR LABOUR

Almost cost me my marrige, though, the viscious arguments as hubby is a nat supporter, reckons we are off to oz if Helen gets in again. Even (seriously) told me that by voting Labour, I was choosing "that lesbain and her party of gay teachers" over my marrige and our business, more or less told me to vote national or sod off....

Was a very cold house for a few days....

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Well, you ARE quite the trouble...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:11:35 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 11:11pm

Well, you ARE quite the trouble maker

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I knew that, i was just clarifying...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:09:38 +0000

Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 11:09pm

I knew that, i was just clarifying in case someone else thought I was getting at you, you know how it gets.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I know, I agree, the government...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:07:40 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 11:07pm

I know, I agree, the government changing wont change anything until all people everywhere in the world become the type who would never hurt anyone else....It wont ever happen , no matter who the government is .

I am interested tho , National says they are going to have harsher punishments,how are they proposing to do that ? because of course, on the one hand that sounds excellent , but then on the other...the reality is the cost of keeping prisoners in jail is high ...where were they going to get the money from ?
National lovers dont go jumping down my throat please, this is not necessarily a critisim, more a general question ...

And Fats, sorry , i know you weren't having a go at me (cos i know you love me ) sorry if it seemed i thought that way, I just wanted to use your post to highlight what my opinions on crime were because you addressed the main issues , and I was too lazy to think about them

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I get you kelly, I wasn't...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:02:24 +0000

Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 11:02pm

I get you kelly, I wasn't "gettign " at you, I did understand what you meant, I was just commenting "in general".. I get sick of people blaming stuff like that on "the government" (whichever colour is in power) when really crime is due to the decline of society's standards. Oh to live in Pleasantville"...

Do you know who you are going to vote for : stupid double posting ...button...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:56:32 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 10:56pm

stupid double posting ...button not working properly ....dumb...mouse .....

Edited by caitlynsmygirl

Do you know who you are going to vote for : BuzzyBee wrote:Kelly I LOVE...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:56:07 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 10:56pm

BuzzyBee wrote:

Kelly I LOVE LOVE LOVE Shawshank. We studied it in 6th form and I fell in love with Morgan Freeman - fantastic movie!

Its brilliant , is it not? my favourite movie of all time , and Morgan Freeman is my favourite actor

Do you know who you are going to vote for : fattartsrock wrote:JM2CW You...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:55:05 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 10:55pm

fattartsrock wrote:

JM2CW

You can't blame the government for higher crime rates.

You can blame poor education, bad upbringings and a much more permissive and lower moraled lower value of respect for others etc society.

People are always going to commit crimes regardless of which party is in power.

Under labour, the "life" sentance has gone from the good old ten year (out in 7) lag is used to be,

National are promising more police. Labour had been saying the same thing for years. Where in the hell are they going to magic up the extras that haven't signed up in the last god knows how long?

You also can't blame the labour government for the WORLDWIDE recession?

Still don't trust John Key. He's just too fresh.

just MY 2c to avoid any confusion with my posts , I DONT blame the government for higher crime rates .
I DO however think its pretty sh*t that killers get compensation and their victims families get nothing, I read of one lady who was still paying off a head stone for her daughter who was gang raped and beaten to death by some lovely fellows, and the "main killer " was given some huge compensation for something or other written about him in the paper that he complained about.
Im not blaming the government entirely for that , there are always going to be the people who want to insist that criminals get all (or more ) of the rights of innocent people and it is these people that would have pushed for the poor criminal to have some kind of compensation

And I know that its hard to keep criminals in prison for life because of cost to tax payers etc, but that doesnt mean its easy to accept , knowing that my friends killer could be out in 14 years ,makes me feel like we have failed him .
And then I think of , say Nia Glassie's killers, and how they will be out in about the same length of time , and it just doesnt seem fair to any of the victims .
But then life never is .

Im not a fool , i know the government isn't responsible for the higher crime rate ( i blame P and gangs for starters) and the crime rate wont change under a new government ,nor will keeping the prisoners in jail be any easier under a new government . i just wish there WAS something that could be done ...dreams are free tho huh

Edited by caitlynsmygirl

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Jennz wrote: I worry that...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:52:15 +0000

Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 10:52pm

Jennz wrote:

I worry that John Key is going to be our George Bush

I TOTALLY agree, Jennz

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Kelly I LOVE LOVE LOVE Shawshank....

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:50:26 +0000

Author: BuzzyBee
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 10:50pm

Kelly I LOVE LOVE LOVE Shawshank. We studied it in 6th form and I fell in love with Morgan Freeman - fantastic movie!

Do you know who you are going to vote for : kebakat wrote:The problem with...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:43:37 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 10:43pm

kebakat wrote:

The problem with the crime thing... I totally agree with you Kelly that crims like that should be locked up for good or shot... BUT.. people complain about crims getting light sentences but they also complain about taxes.. How is the govt meant to afford to put all these people away for extended sentences, create new prisons, pay for the officers to run the place, the food etc.

.

I know *sigh * its one of those ,damned if ya do , and damned if ya dont type scenarios......criminals need somewhere to go ,but the cost of keeping them is too high for the tax payer, Im not blaming anybody (except perhaps the people doing the crime ) the fact of the matter is crime will always exist , and the cost of keeping criminals is too high .
This talk about criminals and jail has reminded me that its been far too long since I watched Shawshank redemption , gosh i heart that movie .....

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I've just had my say Good...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:12:16 +0000

Author: Jennz
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 10:12pm

I've just had my say Good old postal voting!

One thing I find really interesting is that over here we have alot of friends who are all over here on their OEs. They're all mid-late 20's, professionals earning very high incomes with plans to come back to NZ in the next few years. Absolutely all of them are not voting for National- we even know a couple who are waiting on the results of the election to decide whether they will come back to NZ or not. If National gets in then they are going to Oz

I worry that John Key is going to be our George Bush

Do you know who you are going to vote for : JM2CW You can't blame the...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:37:12 +0000

Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 9:37pm

JM2CW

You can't blame the government for higher crime rates.

You can blame poor education, bad upbringings and a much more permissive and lower moraled lower value of respect for others etc society.

People are always going to commit crimes regardless of which party is in power.

Under labour, the "life" sentance has gone from the good old ten year (out in 7) lag is used to be,

National are promising more police. Labour had been saying the same thing for years. Where in the hell are they going to magic up the extras that haven't signed up in the last god knows how long?

You also can't blame the labour government for the WORLDWIDE recession?

Still don't trust John Key. He's just too fresh.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Do they not have national testing...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:22:00 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 9:22pm

Do they not have national testing of any kind in schools?

I did national tests in primary and intermediate school.
Thinks like reading and comprehension, was a big one I remember. I think there was maths as well.
That was back in the 70's and 80's under a National government then too!

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I totally agree Liz, the national...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:02:23 +0000

Author: kebakat
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 9:02pm

I totally agree Liz, the national testing thing they want to bring in is soooooo stupid, the way they have worded it in their policy statement makes it sound like its terrific but its totally dumb and is just going to create more work for teachers/schools and put more pressure on the little ones at an earlier age... and I'm not even a teacher! lol

Do you know who you are going to vote for : What is your suggestion for improving...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:55:50 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 8:55pm

What is your suggestion for improving education?
Do you think the current system works?
What works / what doesn't?

I'm interested to know, as I haven't had anything to do with the School system since I was in it, and interested to see how it will work for my own children and my nieces who are school aged.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : have been doing research on this...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:51:37 +0000

Author: lizzle
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 8:51pm

have been doing research on this for school and found the COOLEST info

if you go to www.nzfirst.org.nz it redirects you to

www.winston peters.com - of course it does!

fantastic.

BTw we dont get WFF anymore and can afford not to. Previously we did and we needed it desperately. now I am happy for my taxes to help those who need it.

the prison thing is interesting and I think it completely depends on whether you view prison as punishiment or a rehabilitation.

Also, national's education policy is a joke - we will help schools by MORE FREAKING TESTING! cause i have nothing better to do than test and mark and test and mark...oh wait a minute...how about I actually do some teaching at some p[oint rather than paper work?????

Do you know who you are going to vote for : NZ has had its nuclear free stance...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:49:17 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 8:49pm

NZ has had its nuclear free stance now for over 20 years, and we've had successive Labour/National governments since it was introduced, I can't see any government ever changing it.

Why would they?
It doesn't have any impact on trade or defence relations any more.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : JD wrote:I think that Labour...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:46:05 +0000

Author: Candkids
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 8:46pm

JD wrote:

I think that Labour are so worried about being PC

exactly my opinion too

anyway . . does anyone know what nationals stance is on nz staying nuclear free???
i certainly wont vote for anyone who wants to change that.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : JD wrote:I also don't...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:44:30 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 8:44pm

JD wrote:

I also don't think they should be looked after as well as they are...the violent offenders anyway. If they choose to do something inhumane to another person, they shouldn't expect to be treated any better.

I totally agree with you on this one, unfortunately the Bill of Rights says different, its the type of society we live in.
I don't necessarily agree with the life sentences for drug traffiking in some Asian countries, but given the terrible destruction drugs cause to society, I can understand where they're coming from.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : This is a interesting thread...with...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:20:09 +0000

Author: JD
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 8:20pm

This is a interesting thread...with some strong opinions.

I am voting for National because I believe they will make a difference in NZ. I think that Labour are so worried about being PC that they dont actually follow through on any of their promises.

As far as the money thing goes...we are on one wage and it is a struggle...but like Kabekat said, we are making the sacrifice so that one of us can be home with our children. I kind of dont think people should vote based on what sort of a hand out from the government they are going to get... I don't mean to offend anyone, and we absulutely appreciate the assistance that we receive...I just don't think it is a right to expect government handouts.

I totally agree with the harsher penalties for criminals. I also don't think they should be looked after as well as they are...the violent offenders anyway. If they choose to do something inhumane to another person, they shouldn't expect to be treated any better.

Just my opinion

Do you know who you are going to vote for : The problem with the crime thing......

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:00:09 +0000

Author: kebakat
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 8:00pm

The problem with the crime thing... I totally agree with you Kelly that crims like that should be locked up for good or shot... BUT.. people complain about crims getting light sentences but they also complain about taxes.. How is the govt meant to afford to put all these people away for extended sentences, create new prisons, pay for the officers to run the place, the food etc.

Fleury - DH is on pretty much 50k, if I were working it would be more obviously.. but when you have kids you make a choice. One wage and have a parent stay home to look after the child or two wages and daycare. We would be better off financially if I were working despite the cost of daycare but it's our choice that we don't believe in sending our kids to daycare full time if we can make some personal sacrifices to have one of us at home. People between $50 - $100k can afford to do without the help that people below the $50k mark really really struggle with. My aunt once told me that having kids was the poorest time in their lives. The inlaws are closing in on $200k a year, they would be far better off under a National govt but the poorest people in society would suffer more, and they don't think about the adults, they are thinking of the kids. 1/5 children in NZ are under the poverty line. National very rarely ever thinks of that end of the spectrum.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : lady_aset wrote: In regards...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:23:15 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 7:23pm

lady_aset wrote:

In regards to crime, just remember that the media have a lot to say in regards to how it is reported. Sentencing of criminals has not become lighter since Labour have come in. It has actually become harsher, and because of this, we have overcrowding in prisons. This is why many judges are having to use home detention as a method in sentencing, as there is not enough room in prisons.

.

I cant speak for all cases, but I do know well the case of my friend.
His killer took the lives of two innocent people who had every thing to live for, my friend was the light of his parents eyes, the best boyfriend my friend could ask for and a good brother and friend to many .
His killer got 17 years, that is not enough , I want him , and other people who take lives away to live the rest of their lives in jail.
In 17 years hia killwe DOES have a chance at some kind of life.
My friend did not get that chance.
But , seems until crime stops altogether (on a month of sundays) there isn't much that can be done about it , due to over crowding etc .It really sucks

Perhaps they can save the home detentions for the smaller crimes, and keep the prisons for the rapists, paedophiles and murderers

Edited by caitlynsmygirl

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Its not so much about the rich...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:09:27 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 7:09pm

Its not so much about the rich getting richer, its about helping those in the middle who don't get anything from anyone.

DH and I are on a middle income below 100k above 50k. While we aren't in want for anything, we do have to pay full price for everything and when we have children, we qualify for $70 from WFF even though my stopping work means we lose $500 a week. We need help too. I'm not sure that full time daycare from 3 months of age is having a good impact on the development of our children

I don't have a problem supporting lower income people, but feel its our turn to get a piece of the pie IYKWIM.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Yeah I'm all for locking...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:05:51 +0000

Author: cuppatea
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 7:05pm

Yeah I'm all for locking them up and throwing the key away, or better still I would bring back capital punishment. Its just nothing new what National are saying and in actual fact in the last election the greens were calling for more prisons and tougher sentences to deal with the crims we have and then to tackle the root cause so that todays children don't become tomorrows crims. So national might be shouting about it but they probably stole it of the greens anyway.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : no we dont earn a fair amount...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:00:15 +0000

Author: Candkids
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 7:00pm

no we dont earn a fair amount it gos on dh's business "turnover" not the fact that its making a massive loss.

im all for supposting the lower income families tho.

they should build a prison like shawshank on some island somewhere and all the bad crims with long sentances should go there and bad crims here on visas etc shouldnt be allowd to stay, or come back
(im not being harsh, we have a family member doing time and personally i think he should stay there, i also had a friend murdered 9yrs ago and her killers already out :()

i opted into kiwisaver i hate it!!! and cant get out of it now either

Edited by CatzKids

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I was a labour supporter until...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:47:35 +0000

Author: lilfatty
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 6:47pm

I was a labour supporter until I had a child too ... then I realised that all my ideaolgical (sp) ideas of voting labour so they could help those who need it was a tad misconstrued as they dont help me or my family!

Although I must say DH just got granted his residency .. but I dont hold labour responsible for that lol

Do you know who you are going to vote for : WFF is meant for lower income...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:45:31 +0000

Author: cuppatea
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 6:45pm

WFF is meant for lower income people though, so if you don't qualify you must earn a far amount. (by the way we also don't qualify), I much prefer to have a government that helps out lower income families than one only interested in business owners and high income families. Making those on low incomes even poorer never does anything positive for a country and will most likely push crime rates up, and like Lady-aset said the prisons are all ready over crowded so what does national actually propose to do with crims who have longer sentences?

Also just to make it clear if you DO qualify for WFF you DO NOT get the national tax cuts, so once again they are just helping the rich get richer whilst poorer families suffer, especially as they are going to rob kiwisaver for those tax cuts.

National mps are also telling farmers that they will be exempt from emission tradings

Do you know who you are going to vote for : i think its wrong that someone...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:38:52 +0000

Author: Candkids
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 6:38pm

i think its wrong that someone who has millions of dollars so wont be a burden financially on this country (and would go private if she did get sick) she passed all the entry criteria medical and all.cant come and live here with all her family, she was ment to be looking after my other aunt who is terminally ill but cant so another family member has had to give up her job and sell her house because of it, yet hunderds of others who cant even speak english and dont think they should follow our governments rules are allowd in.
and were not entitled to WWF so that hacks me off

Do you know who you are going to vote for : CatzKids wrote: Dagster wrote: ...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:24:17 +0000

Author: Mum2L
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 6:24pm

CatzKids wrote:

Dagster wrote:

caitlynsmygirl wrote:

Sorry to drag this old thread up , but im curious .
IF National wins the election , then what happens to policies etc we've had under labour , eg PPL ,or WFF etc etc ?

As far as I know National will keep them, but for how long who knows.

I was going to vote National until their tax plan came out, now I am going through Labour and Nationals policies to find out what will be best for my family.

So still undecided.

national are keeping the PPL & WFF i think they are going to increase payments to match expence and inflation rates same with the DPB and benefits etc.

ill make it no secret im voting for national.

i was always a helen supporter but i think shes WAY too soft and isnt really doing much good in the big picture
eg: crims need hard time not cushy time
shes been fantastic in her health policies but . . . i think its time for a change, way to much crime etc going on and i dont want my kids growing up in a country like that.

and also she wont give my aunt residancy! even tho she used to live here 30yrs ago and even worked for the government, her husband died when they lived in the UK and she has no kids or family outside nz, all her familys here and shes a millionare (not kiddin)
but aparently shes too old! so its personal

In regards to WFF and PPL, Labour have been increasing the payments on a yearly basis to match the CPI index, which is an indicator of inflation. They also increase the income abatement levels on a yearly basis as well for WFF. So you are incorrect about that one.

At the moment, National have said they will retain them, however they may not increase the payments based on the CPI index. They have mentioned they are policies that they alter in a couple of years. The only reason they will keep them in the mean time is to attract votes

In regards to crime, just remember that the media have a lot to say in regards to how it is reported. Sentencing of criminals has not become lighter since Labour have come in. It has actually become harsher, and because of this, we have overcrowding in prisons. This is why many judges are having to use home detention as a method in sentencing, as there is not enough room in prisons.

Governments can implement a wide variety of policies to help with the crime rate, but it is up to people to change their behaviour. Many young people are exposed to violent behaviour in the media, and therefore try to emulate the behaviour they observe. For many of those young people, they live in communities where people really don't give a damn, and are continuing a nasty cycle from their parents.

In regards to residency, Immigration do have the right to refuse someone on age, simply because they become a burden on the health system. I don't think you should take it personal, as case managers also take into consideration other factors in the residency process. I know of my DH's family who have tried to get residency in NZ, but have been refused, as they are overweight and were told that they would be a burden on the health system. They were told to lose the weight and apply again in a year or two.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : CatzKids wrote: national are...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:56:38 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 5:56pm

CatzKids wrote:

national are keeping the PPL & WFF i think they are going to increase payments to match expence and inflation rates same with the DPB and benefits etc.

So does that mean people on benefits will be better off under national ?

Thats pretty shocking about your aunt as well !

As i've said previously I like National's harsher policies on criminals, from personal experience, a friend of mine was murdered , I like the idea that one day we can live in a country where life means life , but before making the call based entirely on that, I need to learn what will be best for my families future ...DF is voting National simply because he doesnt like Helen Clark, which really irks me , that shouldnt be the ONLY reason .

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Dagster wrote: caitlynsmygirl...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:35:05 +0000

Author: Candkids
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 5:35pm

Dagster wrote:

caitlynsmygirl wrote:

Sorry to drag this old thread up , but im curious .
IF National wins the election , then what happens to policies etc we've had under labour , eg PPL ,or WFF etc etc ?

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I think im going to have to look...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:54:40 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 4:54pm

I think im going to have to look through their policies too Dagster ...

Do you know who you are going to vote for : caitlynsmygirl wrote:Sorry...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:45:07 +0000

Author: Natalie_G
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 3:45pm

caitlynsmygirl wrote:

Sorry to drag this old thread up , but im curious .
IF National wins the election , then what happens to policies etc we've had under labour , eg PPL ,or WFF etc etc ?

Do you know who you are going to vote for : im going to vote nz first i really...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:03:33 +0000

Author: kathyandbub
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 3:03pm

im going to vote nz first i really like there policys. though this is my first time voting and i dont really get into poltics much. though i know our mp has to change we have steve chadwhich and shes such a dick (for lack of a better word).

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I hope they will stay the same,...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:00:02 +0000

Author: Genie
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 1:00pm

I hope they will stay the same, but I just don't trust that they would.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : From what I have seen on the election...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:44:28 +0000

Author: lilfatty
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 12:44pm

From what I have seen on the election campaigning both of those things will remain the same.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Sorry to drag this old thread...

Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:29:35 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 31�October�2008 at 12:29pm

Sorry to drag this old thread up , but im curious .
IF National wins the election , then what happens to policies etc we've had under labour , eg PPL ,or WFF etc etc ?

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I would like to see how the nats...

Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:15:32 +0000

Author: McPloppy
Subject: 21765
Posted: 22�October�2008 at 12:15pm

I would like to see how the nats handle the Police issuse in this country. Labour has brought in more police however have done nothing to retain the experienced police. The nats will bring in tasar and take a harder approach to crime and gangs...good in my opinion.
Tax cuts will be usefull to cover the costs of the increase of living.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : fattartsrock wrote:the airforce...

Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:19:27 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 22�October�2008 at 9:19am

fattartsrock wrote:

the airforce people here are real nat supporters, they hate Helen cos she took away their skyhawks.

Yup same in our household, cost DH his career. Has had a huge impact on our whole lives, made me realise how vulnerable we are to the whims of politicians. Not a position I want to be in again.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : joshierocks wrote:The only...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:18:33 +0000

Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 10:18pm

joshierocks wrote:

The only way National are going to give us more is to borrow to be able to do so. Who amongst us really believes that "borrowing to support infrastructure" is actually not borrowing to provide tax cuts????

We don't need that, and I for one certainly can't support a party who thinks we are imbeciles who can't tell the difference.

The ONLY way National can provide what they are promising is to borrow. That is not conducive to a stable financial position for this country.

I am in love with you, you eloquently say what is in my mushed up brain, lol.

We are small business owners in a higher tax bracket, so National are "saying" we would be better off, but I always feel national are for the rich, the farmers and the air force... the airforce people here are real nat supporters, they hate Helen cos she took away their skyhawks.

Theyahd nat perople campaining in town last week, and they avoided me, with my pram, I'm just not thier "target market"

Do you know who you are going to vote for : ive always supported the greens...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:42:21 +0000

Author: Candkids
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 9:42pm

ive always supported the greens however im really NOT impressed with them at the moment and do very much enjoy my showers also theres no way i could wash my hair in 1min especially seems it takes about 40sec for the hot water to get to that end of the house.

i voted labour last time
labour seem to have done alot in the last year (funny that)
and the last time national were in they did put the entire health sector on the back foot
but i must say with the state of the country and all theese murderers getting out with a slap on the hand i think its time for a change, or time for labour to stop being so PC and make them do hard time not holidaying with underfloor heating!

we dont get anything from WWF
and because i opted into kiwisaver i cant get out of it which i think is really rediculas.

so not sure who im going to vote for. . .

probably national

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Jennz wrote:Will we ever learn?...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:26:17 +0000

Author: mummy_becks
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 9:26pm

Jennz wrote:

Will we ever learn?

I don't think so, I have a few friends who don't have children and go on about how National will give them more money to have to spend (as they are in higher tax brackets). So I go on about the privatisation of everything (they don't have health insurance, and forget about that), making the lower incomes poorer, selling off everything Labour has brought back in the past few years.

As much as I like my money being mine I still feel that we (as a country) need to do more for those that are working on a low income.

Even my dad who was on over $100K a year was a Labour supporter due to them helping out the "little people".

Do you know who you are going to vote for : fleury wrote:That's the...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:10 +0000

Author: Jennz
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 8:53pm

fleury wrote:

That's the fundamental difference between Labour and National.
National gives you more of your own money to do with as you wish.

Ahhh but then you have to use that money to pay for things like the higher costs in health care, the proposed road tolls and the extra costs of living that privatisation of government owned assets always incurs. Its the National philosophy- give with one hand and take away with the other.

Our house hold is in a high income bracket and would be far better off under a National government but I pretty much agree with everything joshierocks has said. I also think those of us that have more should support those who have less.

National is about making the rich, richer and the poor, poorer- always have been, always will be. But I think the reality is that they will get in just because people want change- then they'll totally screw the country over, like they always do and in about 1-2 terms Labour will come back in and fix it all back up again And as soon as the country is in better shape everyone will decide they want change for changes sake and.....

Will we ever learn?

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Now that we are not entitled to...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:45:06 +0000

Author: mummy_becks
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 8:45pm

Now that we are not entitled to WFF I will still be voting Labour. Aunty Helen has done so much for us in the past 4 and 1/2 years we have had children and I do fel very blessed to be able to get that help, and I want other people that have been in our situation to benefit.

And I honestly don't give 2 hoots about tax cuts, I would rather pay them to have a decent education system.

And I totally agree with you Clare on the privatisation of ACC - that is really scary.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : The only way National are going...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:18:58 +0000

Author: Jay_R
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 8:18pm

The only way National are going to give us more is to borrow to be able to do so. Who amongst us really believes that "borrowing to support infrastructure" is actually not borrowing to provide tax cuts????

We don't need that, and I for one certainly can't support a party who thinks we are imbeciles who can't tell the difference.

The ONLY way National can provide what they are promising is to borrow. That is not conducive to a stable financial position for this country.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : That's one way of putting...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:17:18 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 8:17pm

That's one way of putting it, I guess depends on which receiving end you are on.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I disagree with the fundamental...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:11:22 +0000

Author: kebakat
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 8:11pm

I disagree with the fundamental differences you think Fleury..

Labour are for public good
National are for private/business good

Do you know who you are going to vote for : That's the fundamental difference...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:06:47 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 8:06pm

That's the fundamental difference between Labour and National.
National gives you more of your own money to do with as you wish.
Labour retains the money and dishes it out as it sees fit.
Depending on which you agree with, will determine your vote I guess.

I'm not offended, I used to be a strong Labour supporter, but find myself stuck on a middle income and getting nothing from anyone and having to pay for everything. Labour hasn't helped us so I want to see what National are going to do.

Helen Clark's decisions cost DH his job, so that's kinda personal.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : fleury wrote: Its very noble...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:02:52 +0000

Author: Jay_R
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 8:02pm

fleury wrote:

Its very noble of people to vote for the party that benefits others.
It isn't how most people vote. Most people vote for whats best for them.

Absolutely true. Most people do vote for what best serves them as individuals. Perhaps my views are outdated or something, as I think those of us that have more should support those who have less.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Those things benefit workers....

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:00:46 +0000

Author: Jay_R
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 8:00pm

Those things benefit workers. And workers are entitled to them. Not trying to offend you Fleury, as I like the fact you are very passionate about your views. But I can't see how these benefits really make a negative difference except to give employers a bit more paperwork. They are as good as actual payrises, they provide more to families regardless of how they actually come to people.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Surely supporting small to medium...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:58:34 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 7:58pm

Surely supporting small to medium sized businesses is in the best interest of the country and the economy.

Given that most of NZ businesses fit into that category, isn't it better to enable them to be more profitable in order to retain staff and/or hire more people.

Its very noble of people to vote for the party that benefits others.
It isn't how most people vote. Most people vote for whats best for them.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : joshierocks wrote:Clearly Fleury...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:54:19 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 7:54pm

joshierocks wrote:

Clearly Fleury you are a small business person, and National would work well for someone like you. I personally am not motivated for reasons that work for me as an individual only - I want policies that work best for the people of this country as a whole. t.

I am not a small business person, but I have worked for a small business, and changes like kiwi saver, extra weeks leave etc had a huge impact on the profitability of the company. All these so called extras have come at the cost of actually pay rises which would be more helpful to pay for the groceries and petrol atm.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : ooh ooh puts hand up i know...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:44:45 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 7:44pm

ooh ooh *puts hand up * i know !
Paid Parental Leave

*is proud she knows something *

Do you know who you are going to vote for : PPL was introduced by Alliance...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:36:27 +0000

Author: Jay_R
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 7:36pm

[QUOTE=fleury] PPL was introduced by Alliance not Labour.
QUOTE]

Whats PPL?

Ok, edited to say: PPL - Paid Parental Leave!

Clearly Fleury you are a small business person, and National would work well for someone like you. I personally am not motivated for reasons that work for me as an individual only - I want policies that work best for the people of this country as a whole.

WFF is a fantastic form of tax credit. It allows those who need a bit of a helping hand at particular times to receive it and provide their children with things they wouldn't otherwise be able to. As a parent, that is something I think is valuable and honourable. We do not receive WFF. In fact, as a family who earns more than $200k a year it is National's policies that would actually benefit us more. But my moral concience leads me in this case. I could not with good faith gain more when others more needing of assistance would miss out.

Edited by joshierocks

Do you know who you are going to vote for : PPL was introduced by Alliance...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:32:08 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 7:32pm

PPL was introduced by Alliance not Labour.
While having the extra weeks leave might be nice, the cost of funding that extra week is crippling for small employers, which there are a lot of in NZ. Same with Kiwisaver where does Labour think small businesses are going to get the 4% they have to contribute, especially in this market.

I'm voting for the party that allows me to keep more of the money I earn for myself.
I don't agree with the concept of WFF, you go to work, pay your taxes, and Helen gives it back to you in the form of a benefit for your children. Why can't you simply keep more of your pay to start with.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I think the thing with voting...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:24:33 +0000

Author: Jay_R
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 7:24pm

I think the thing with voting is that you have to be true to yourself and your intrinsic beliefs.

I believe that as citizens of this wonderful country we are due certain rights. Some of those include: supporting our poorer families who need extra assistance to give them a decent standard of living (Working for Families), keeping ourselves nuclear free, having a very good publicly funded health system, building our economy locally (kiwibank), ensuring that our military support in places they are needed but do not heed the call of bully nations to enrich themselves (war on terror anyone??? what a joke). For these reasons, and sooooooo many others I cannot support or vote for a National led government. I do not believe they would serve us as well and as fairly as Labour has these last 9 years.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : The greens last election wanted...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:55:24 +0000

Author: cuppatea
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 6:55pm

The greens last election wanted to build more prisons and lock people away for longer so that isn't just a national policy.

I bank with Kiwibank and I have kiwisaver (although am not making contributions as currently not in paid employment). We are on the threshold for WFF but will get something when number 2 arrives.

So national get in and we don't get the tax cut as if you get WFF you don't get it and they take the money for the tax cuts away from my kiwisaver (once i'm contributing obviously). So how does that help anyone? basically I see it as robbing the poor to give to the rich.

I'm not sure who I am gonna vote for most likely labour but maybe a party vote for greens.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : i dont trust either Helen ,or...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:44:48 +0000

Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 6:44pm

i dont trust either Helen ,or John , but if i did then i guess they wouldn't be politicians haha .

MY perfect government would be one where there was a blend of both , eg, they kept paid parental leave and the other stuff Stacey listed, (I DO think that if people can and are able to work however they should make an effort to, and no,im not referring to single mums on the dpb) and then some of National's policies , such as , life for life, My friend was murdered and my bestfriend and sister very nearly died too, and no, my friend wont be coming back regardless of how long his killer gets ,but it would sure feel a lot better knowing he was going to be locked away for longer than 16 years...quite frankly i believe the Govt at the moment is too soft on perpertrators .

So perhaps if they could band together and have the pros of both parties, and none of the cons, it would be an ideal world...but we all there is no such thing ....

Edited by caitlynsmygirl

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Can I ask why? (without sounding...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:51:00 +0000

Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 4:51pm

Can I ask why? (without sounding rude? just curious)

Do you know who you are going to vote for : i didnt vote last election and...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:46:40 +0000

Author: BessieBear
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 4:46pm

i didnt vote last election and i dont think ill bother again.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : We got an interesting little flyer...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:50:49 +0000

Author: kebakat
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 3:50pm

We got an interesting little flyer in the mail today of 5 things labour has brought in which national has voted against..

kiwirail buyback
paid parental leave
nz superannuation fund
interest free student loans
4th week of annual leave

3 of those have or do affect me directly. Soooo glad Labour has been in government. The prospect of a National govt scares me a bit too

Do you know who you are going to vote for : The privatisation of ACC is pretty...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:34:17 +0000

Author: Jay_R
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 3:34pm

The privatisation of ACC is pretty scary - we'll have a situation where if you need hospitalisation after an accident you'll have to pay for it. Think the US and their insurance or no hospital care....

He's just lied and contradicted himself too many times for comfort. There was a time about a year ago when I thought maybe he might be a good option, but the more I hear from him, I just have no trust in the man.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Ive always voted Labour ... however...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:07:13 +0000

Author: lilfatty
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 3:07pm

Ive always voted Labour ... however this time Im looking at the other parties.

I see Helen all the time, she trains at my gym and is quite often there at the same time as me (I go late after Issy is asleep) .. she is a nice enough person, so its not a "personal" thing, its just looking at the policies my family would be better off under new management"

Although they all have policies that scare me

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Totally agree with previous 2...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:02:14 +0000

Author: Genie
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 3:02pm

Totally agree with previous 2 posts..I am scared of what will happen to us if National get in now that we will be only on hubby's income for a while. No matter what he says about keeping WFF, he seems so slimy and I don't believe what he says.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : Totally agree with you Annie -...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:46:24 +0000

Author: Jay_R
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 2:46pm

Totally agree with you Annie - the whole change for a change thing thats going on is madness.

I'm actually really scared about the prospect of a National Government, and I sincerely hope that Labour is able to get enough votes to secure governing with Greens and the Maori Party.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : I have always voted Labour and...

Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:08:17 +0000

Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 21765
Posted: 21�October�2008 at 2:08pm

I have always voted Labour and probably always will. Hubby onbthe other hand HATES Helen and is very nasty about her, tauntng ME bacause of my leanings... He is a dyed in the wool national voter, lol. WE have had some very bad fights over politics and I can't wait till they are over.
I am very very scared National is going to get in ONLY becasue people want a change for the sake of change, not for any other reason, as I feel John (slimy) Key is a little "green" to be PM yet...

I like Labour as they are very family freindly (Paid Parental leave and 20 hours ECE would have NEVER gotten in on a national government)

Do you know who you are going to vote for : more than likely National i think...

Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:34:29 +0000

Author: sweetpea
Subject: 21765
Posted: 20�October�2008 at 3:34pm

more than likely National i think its time for a change and i like most of their polices particuly the about bonding of medical prefoessionals. Can't understand why it hasn't been done already when Dh sister was training for teaching she had compulsory country service it solved the problem of having no teachers at rural schools. thsi was quite a few years ago btw

Do you know who you are going to vote for : ACT will always go with National...

Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:15:18 +0000

Author: mummy_becks
Subject: 21765
Posted: 20�October�2008 at 2:15pm

ACT will always go with National (I think they are more right wing than National are) and United Future will go either way, and have gone labours way the past 2 elections.

Do you know who you are going to vote for : i do get confused that people...

Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:12:15 +0000

Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 21765
Posted: 20�October�2008 at 2:12pm

i do get confused that people vote the other way cause they don't like someone though:)It's going to be weird if National get in as they don't have many parties that will go with them..Greens said Labour...and so that sorta leaves ACT and United Future I guess?

Edited by foxxy_one

Do you know who you are going to vote for : caitlynsmygirl wrote:and National...

Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:09:31 +0000

Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 21765
Posted: 20�October�2008 at 2:09pm

caitlynsmygirl wrote:

and National , I want a party that gives murderers life, not some stupid 17 year sentence for killing someone (or 2 people)

Tho i dont "hate " Helen Clark like many anti labour people do , i met her once and she was nice enough ....

i was going to post word for word exactly what you said....I lived in her electorate.. but didn't meet her but she seems nice enough ! and go Barrack!