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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : Yeah I did ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16181">kebakat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 November 2008 at 7:29pm<br /><br />Yeah I did <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0">]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : Oh good you did go with her. Did...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17430">mummy_becks</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 November 2008 at 6:12pm<br /><br /><P align=left>Oh good you did go with her. Did you email her today???</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : Congrats again Stacey !!  I would...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18232">Shezamumof3</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 10:48pm<br /><br />Congrats again Stacey !!<br /><br />I would call her <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"> she isnt going to think you are silly, as its her job and she will have delt with many women hving m/c and then falling pregnant again etc.<br /><br />call her <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0">]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : Huge congratulations Stacey!! ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17511">Kels</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 10:24pm<br /><br /><P align=left>Huge congratulations Stacey!!</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : Becks - Kelly Manninen, she was...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16181">kebakat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 9:38pm<br /><br />Becks - Kelly Manninen, she was really lovely to me last time. I know she will send me a scan referral cause she did last time too<br /><br />I think I will email her tomorrow and stop being silly lol]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : I contaced my mw at 4 weeks exactly,...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19267">mummyofprinces</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 8:40pm<br /><br />I contaced my mw at 4 weeks exactly, same one i had booked to see last time. <br /><br />I am glad I did, as she was there to call if I had any questions!]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : Can I ask who you have choosen...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17430">mummy_becks</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 7:55pm<br /><br /><P align=left>Can I ask who you have choosen this time?? You can txt me if you like. But I would call her again if you feel happy to go with her and just let her know you are pregnant again and maybe just let her know that you are pregnant and maybe she can organise an early scan for you.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18043">Bel</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 5:28pm<br /><br />I have never had blood tests to confirm pregnancy either - doc just said congrats, go and find a midwife... didn't even go to doc this time]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16181">kebakat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 5:19pm<br /><br />Funny that <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" border="0"> Knowing me I'll probably do another one tomorrow just because I have the test lol]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : Stacey, I&amp;#039;ve had no blood...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19108">TraceyA</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 5:14pm<br /><br />Stacey, I've had no blood tests to confirm this pregnancy or to check HCG levels. My doctor and my midwife said that one positive test would have sufficed, for some reason they thought 5 was over-kill <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : congrats Stacey! ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=20248">clover</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 1:49pm<br /><br />congrats Stacey!]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : I don&amp;#039;t think I need a blood...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16181">kebakat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 1:16pm<br /><br />I don't think I need a blood test to confirm it. 3 positive is pretty darn confirmed lol]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : If your going with the same one...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=887">kezplanet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 1:10pm<br /><br /><P>If your going with the same one as you contacted last time I'd say give her a call, it will give you someone else to share your concerns with and she maybe able to put you a bit more at ease - a problem shared kinda thing.&nbsp; Also you can have just at blood test to confirm pregnancy without having the hcg levels checked.&nbsp; Not a good time to be stressing, do what feels right and makes you feel comfortable <IMG src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0"></P><P>Aaaaannnddd </P><P><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" color=limegreen size=4><strong><EM><U>CONGRATULATIONS!!</U></EM></strong></FONT></P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18599">Aprilfools</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 12:22pm<br /><br />I would book now and just let them know that you're feeling a little nervous.<br /><br />Congratulations and will be sending positive sticky vibes your way.<br /><br />]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : I agree - start looking now  My...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19132">HippyMama</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 11:53am<br /><br />I agree - start looking now <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"> My MW is all sorted, and what will be will be.]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? :   TraceyA wrote:Stacey, if you...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18043">Bel</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 11:31am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by TraceyA" alt="Originally posted by TraceyA" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>TraceyA wrote:</strong><br /><br />Stacey, if you would like to use the same person you contacted last time, I'd call her, or even email her, and tell her that your pregnant again, tell her your nervous about another miscarriage but wanted to touch base with her and can you firm things up with her in another few weeks.<br /><br />That way she knows what's going on with you, you will feel better because you've taken a positive step for this pregnancy without putting too much pressure on things and then stick with your GP until you've ruled out ectopic etc.<br /><br />*big hugs*</td></tr></table><br /><br />I agree with what TraceyA has said.  I would contact her and let her know the deal, at least when it does all work out right (positive thinking!) you are all organised!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19473">Mum2L</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 10:33am<br /><br />I would get a MW now. I had mine organised within 2 days of finding out I was pregnant (I found out at 3 weeks 4 days, and had my MW booked by 4 weeks exactly).]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19108">TraceyA</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 10:29am<br /><br />Stacey, if you would like to use the same person you contacted last time, I'd call her, or even email her, and tell her that your pregnant again, tell her your nervous about another miscarriage but wanted to touch base with her and can you firm things up with her in another few weeks.<br /><br />That way she knows what's going on with you, you will feel better because you've taken a positive step for this pregnancy without putting too much pressure on things and then stick with your GP until you've ruled out ectopic etc.<br /><br />*big hugs*]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19041">Nefertiti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 10:20am<br /><br />After my blighted ovum I felt funny calling my midwife incase it happened again.  So when I saw her at the supermarket of all places, I told her I was pregnant, but planned to get some serial hcg's done for a couple weeks and also a dating scan.  So I did this then contacted her.<br /><br />Don't be put off because you are early.  Unfortunately mc can happen at any stage so you just have to think positively!<br /><br />You'll be fine....and congrats :)]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : My MW with Daniel has retired...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16181">kebakat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 10:15am<br /><br />My MW with Daniel has retired <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0"> lol... but the MW I spoke to last time was fairly new in Palmy and not well known so she wasn't totally booked up quickly.<br /><br />When I get closer to 6 weeks I will go see my GP, he's an ex ob and gets me what I want so I'll get a scan referral then and even if he wants me to go get bloods I think I just won't lol]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19766">weegee</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 10:12am<br /><br />Yay for being preggers again Stacey! <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0">  All appendages crossed for a sticky one!  And good on you for not doing the stressful hcg tests done, try to relax if you can <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0"><br /><br />Is there a bad MW shortage in Palmy?  We're short of them up here but I got mine at 8 weeks no problem.  So if you would feel more comfortable waiting another couple of weeks, surely you should be able to still get one then.  On the other hand, if you liked the MW you got last time and she was nice about it, might be worth giving her a heads up anyway? ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Get a MW now or wait? : I reckon so Stacey.  Who will...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17772">minik8e</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 10:09am<br /><br />I reckon so Stacey.  Who will organise your first scan to check whether it is ectopic or not, or will you just wait?<br /><br />ETA: I wouldn't say silly, I'd just say take the plunge <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by minik8e</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=16181">kebakat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 22719<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 November 2008 at 10:04am<br /><br />Should I get a MW now or wait until I'm further along?<br /><br />I felt like a bit of a dick last time when I got one straight away so to not miss out and then having to tell her that I don't need her anymore because I miscarried.<br /><br />I haven't been to the docs to get it "confirmed".. 3 POAS tests is confirmation enough. I don't want to get bloods done because hcg tests are stressful and I don't want that.<br /><br />Should I just stop being silly and phone a MW??]]>
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