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   <title><![CDATA[so frustrated.... : Caught part of Kellys post before...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18078">caliandjack</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 March 2009 at 8:45am<br /><br />Caught part of Kellys post before she edited it. <br />I find that terrible how her gps are acting.<br /><br />I think its so wrong when adults use children in this manner. <br /><br />Its almost more common/normal these days for families to be made up of children from previous relationships, and have blended families.<br /><br />My brother is in this situation, and while I was upset at how he treated his ex-wife, its his decision and the children aren't to be used as pawns.<br /><br />I could imagine my SILs parents behaving like this, as of course they now hate my brother, but he's still their father and his new partner takes the responsbility for helping to raise his kids and hers. <br /><br />I do think you and your DH need to have a discussion with them, as its not on, the only reason for courts granting visitation is in the best interests of the child, this is clearly not.<br /><br />Being a grand parent doesn't give you automatic rights!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=21745">kellie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 March 2009 at 1:43am<br /><br />That is so horrible.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[so frustrated.... : double post , soz! Edited by caitlynsmygirl...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10235">caitlynsmygirl</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 March 2009 at 10:56pm<br /><br />double post , soz! <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by caitlynsmygirl</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[so frustrated.... : Didn&amp;#039;t want to read &amp; run...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19679">AandCsmum</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 March 2009 at 9:06pm<br /><br /><img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0"> Didn't want to read & run either.<br /><br />Not sure how to get her to talk to you but shame on her grandparents....who are behaving like children!!!<br /><br />Maybe keep being chatty around her, go for the over kill, she'll have to talk to you eventually.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[so frustrated.... : Yeh my bad for posting on general...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=21342">jjands</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 March 2009 at 8:34pm<br /><br />Yeh my bad for posting on general wasn't counting on our situation being made so public]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17854">emz</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 March 2009 at 7:50pm<br /><br />Oh god, that's shocking! <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0"> How dare they try to poison her to get to you?!<br /><br />Basically, I would contact your lawyer and ask for their visitation to be SUPERVISED by a third party so they can't have her on her own and say things like that. Your DH needs to support you 100% on this matter though, as it's just not on. You are her caregiver, and that means you need respect from all parties - your DH, your DD, and DD's gparents. They are not putting the wellbeing of the child and the family unit first, they're putting it in jeopardy, and from what I understand that's grounds for reconsideration of the parenting order. But I still think she needs to have contact with her gparents, just supervised contact.]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[so frustrated.... :  Just remember that as much as...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10235">caitlynsmygirl</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 March 2009 at 7:06pm<br /><br /><br />Just remember that as much as shes hurting you , she is only 4 and still a baby and very easy to manipulate, as she gets older and is able to make up her own mind , that will happen less and less, , I know thats not much comfort when her behaviour is being so hurtful now, but at least it gives you something to focus on in the future . <br /><br />In the meantime, just be honest with her, tell your DD that her behaviour is really hurting your feelings , because you love her very much and hearing her say she doesnt want to talk to you makes you feel really sad  and makes you want to cry , its good for kids to see we have feelings too and that our feelings get hurt , just like theirs .<br />And most of all , remember she is still a baby herself and being used as a pawn by her grandparents for their sick little games . <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by caitlynsmygirl</span>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=21342">jjands</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 7:15pm<br /><br />thanks for all the support guys, I'm just going to hibernate for the night]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[so frustrated.... : How horrible for you   I don&amp;#039;t...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17924">busyissy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 6:36pm<br /><br />How horrible for you <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0"> <br />I don't understand why the grandparents have any rights here when your children have two parents alive and parenting them. <br />I am very unforgiving of that sort of behaviour if I was you then I would be doing everything I could to have that visitation revoked. It is completely unacceptable behaviour to undermine you that way. I actually think that it is quite abusive to use a child in that way.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[so frustrated.... : Yep I agree - get in contact with...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17802">Bobbie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 5:10pm<br /><br />Yep I agree - get in contact with the lawyer.<br /><br />What horrible people. Poor you and your poor daughter. What a horrible situation. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4856">my4beauties</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 4:56pm<br /><br />How hard for you to have your child go to visit them and you have no choice in the matter!&nbsp; Obviously for them to have legal visitation rights they have made issues hard for you in the past.&nbsp; Definitely get in touch with your lawyer and explain how they are manipulating your child and trying to turn her against you.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[so frustrated.... : Seriously?    I&amp;#039;d think those&amp;#039;d...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=19794">AzzaNZ</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 4:49pm<br /><br />Seriously? <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0"> <br /><br />I'd think those'd be reasonable grounds for the visitation rights to be suspended. How incredibly disrespectful of them!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18897">fire_engine</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 4:15pm<br /><br />Sounds like it is a complex situation, but I would be talking to your lawyer about that (or community law centre) - if they are using visitation as a time to get between you and your daughter, I would think any judge would look very harshly on that situation.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[so frustrated.... : we can&amp;#039;t stop contact as...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=21342">jjands</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 4:10pm<br /><br />we can't stop contact as they have legal visitaion once a month <IMG src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif" border="0">]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=564">lizzle</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 4:10pm<br /><br />If this was me (and just going by what you hacve said) - i wouldn't want someone that toxic having anything to do with my kids.  i would stop contact and say that when they are able to act like adults, the relationship can begin again.<br /><br />But i would be getting DH to go and find out what on earth went on to provoke that behaviour.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12584">EmDee</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 4:08pm<br /><br />I have to agree with Italiah. It is so wrong for them to do that to your DD. Talk to them about it and if they don't stop using her like that, stop contact with them.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[so frustrated.... : Na they are IL&amp;#039;s DH doesn&amp;#039;t...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=21342">jjands</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 3:54pm<br /><br />Na they are IL's <IMG src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0">&nbsp;DH doesn't like em either he's tried lots of things. It's a little more complicated then that but I can't really say anymore IYKWIM still any advice would be GREAT]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4856">my4beauties</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 3:51pm<br /><br /><P>Wow chick, so sorry to hear your ILs are telling your own child not to speak to you - that's REALLY disgusting behaviour!!&nbsp; I would be around to their house in an instant and tell them NEVER to speak to my child that way and if they continue to turn your child against you, then you will stop all contact with them.&nbsp; And I can't believe your 4 yr old would listen to them, over you!&nbsp; They must've really got into her ear and manipulated her, for her to obey that instruction.&nbsp; I hope your DH realises what they are doing, and that your child should not be put in the middle of whatever is going on between you and them.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18897">fire_engine</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 3:51pm<br /><br />Oops - just assumed they were the ILs <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" border="0">]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=17625">IVFGirl1111</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 3:48pm<br /><br />Woah! Thats full on!<br /><br />Do you think you could call a "meeting" with the grandparents?<br /><br />Are they your parents or your inlaws?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18897">fire_engine</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 3:46pm<br /><br />Oh man, that must be so hard.  Sorry - no advice but didn't want to read and run <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0"> <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0"> . What horrible ILs to have.  And <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0"> at your DH.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=21342">jjands</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 24975<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 March 2009 at 3:29pm<br /><br /><P>please help me DD (4) hasn't talked to me since visiting her gparents on the weekend. She only talks if I actually get down to her level and tell her to answer me. I just had a chat to her about how she's been behaving and asked her what we'd just talked about "dunno wasn't listening" was her response. After a time out she told me "gparent and&nbsp;gparent told me not to talk to you anymore so I don't." I said but u only visit them and you live with us, I'm the one that looks after you "they do more than you do" <IMG src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0"><IMG src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0"></P><P>we're not on speaking terms with the gparents so I dunno what to do, I'm glad I finally know why I'm being ignored but to be honest it doesn't make it any easier. I feel like a outsider with DD. When DH comes home it's "daddy daddy daddy" he doesn't understand why I'm so upset. </P><P>Sorry for the big rave but can anyone help me? </P>]]>
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