OHbaby! Forums : Post-baby relations https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 06 Apr 2026 13:53:56 +0000 Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:37:10 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.05 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=26041 <![CDATA[OHbaby! Forums]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : You are not alone!! It seems...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=673696&title=postbaby-relations#673696 Author: Ang84
Subject: 26041
Posted: 29 April 2009 at 10:37am

You are not alone!! It seems to be one of those things that improve with time (and plenty of practice).    

I had a bad tear downstairs as well, and of our four attempts since bub was born, only one of them could be described as "successful" (e.g. enjoyed by both parties) before I started leaking milk and got all upset about it (sorry if TMI).
]]> Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:37:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=673696&title=postbaby-relations#673696 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : Hi - this may be too much info...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=673088&title=postbaby-relations#673088 Author: Moochiecat
Subject: 26041
Posted: 28 April 2009 at 4:57pm

Hi - this may be too much info - but have you thought of 'toys' to start you off with. Sometimes getting yourself 'there' first makes it easier to get into. Now that things have changed in your relationship and you've been without sex for a while, it might be an great time to introduce something new.

I always find I'm way more into sex for my DH looks after my needs first and toys eliminate all the mucking about - they just straight to it.

Sorry - I know TMI - but it may be of help.

Good luck. ]]> Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:57:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=673088&title=postbaby-relations#673088 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : Niecey wrote:I feel like whenever...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=672608&title=postbaby-relations#672608 Author: gypsynita
Subject: 26041
Posted: 28 April 2009 at 9:02am

Originally posted by Niecey Niecey wrote:

I feel like whenever he wants to..I am SOOO not in the mood and whenever I'm the slightest bit interested he is nowhere to be found! or sleeping away! kind of annoying


 

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... or the baby's awake!! Cian seems to "know" when we're in the mood and almost always wakes up! ]]> Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:02:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=672608&title=postbaby-relations#672608 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : I have heard it is very normal...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=672294&title=postbaby-relations#672294 Author: Natalie_G
Subject: 26041
Posted: 27 April 2009 at 8:07pm

I have heard it is very normal not to have sex all the time or barely at all after having a baby....a friend of mine didnt feel like sex for 6 months after her baby.

Babe - LOL 3 times a day my DH wishes lol.

About 4 times a week does it for me hehe.]]> Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:07:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=672294&title=postbaby-relations#672294 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : I feel like whenever he wants...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=671965&title=postbaby-relations#671965 Author: Niecey
Subject: 26041
Posted: 27 April 2009 at 2:53pm

I feel like whenever he wants to..I am SOOO not in the mood and whenever I'm the slightest bit interested he is nowhere to be found! or sleeping away! kind of annoying

 

Genie-- that's not fair, is it? Wish we could leave them all day with the kid and get out and then maybe we'd wanna pounce them when we get home!! If only we could turn the tables! Too bad I'm bf at the mo...but don't really wanna give that up.

]]> Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:53:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=671965&title=postbaby-relations#671965 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : So glad this got posted hehe,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=671761&title=postbaby-relations#671761 Author: rachelsea
Subject: 26041
Posted: 27 April 2009 at 12:13pm

So glad this got posted hehe, I'm not the only one! I was begging for it by 6 weeks but we couldn't as I hadn't finished bleeding yet then when *that* finally finished a week later I started feeling really nervous about it, because I didn't know what it would feel like (and i didn't tear at all!) but we did do it. And haven't done it since lol. I was keen last night, but DH was a bit too eager, LOL Good to know it's normal though ]]> Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:13:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=671761&title=postbaby-relations#671761 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : TBH I&#039;m a bit the same re...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=671444&title=postbaby-relations#671444 Author: Genie
Subject: 26041
Posted: 26 April 2009 at 10:39pm

TBH I'm a bit the same re dh..he spends time with his mates while I do all the indoor chores then expects to come in and I'll want to get it on..I don't think so buddy boy!! I want some 'me' time first!]]> Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:39:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=671444&title=postbaby-relations#671444 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : you&#039;re not in the boat alone....still...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=671440&title=postbaby-relations#671440 Author: Niecey
Subject: 26041
Posted: 26 April 2009 at 10:34pm

you're not in the boat alone....still haven't done it...kinda bitter with my husband as I feel he's not doing enough around here.  He is super busy with his work so I guess I can't completely blame him but hey--at least he can "come home" from work. My work is 24/7 and I don't get weekends! Have not much libido either...I hope I can get back into it...don't think it'll be much longer. Grrr...it's kinda frustrating.]]> Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:34:28 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=671440&title=postbaby-relations#671440 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : Hmm I&#039;m in the just can&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=671419&title=postbaby-relations#671419 Author: Genie
Subject: 26041
Posted: 26 April 2009 at 10:06pm

Hmm I'm in the just can't be bothered camp..would rather sleep! lol]]> Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:06:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=671419&title=postbaby-relations#671419 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : I also had an internal tear and...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=671114&title=postbaby-relations#671114 Author: Brabsie
Subject: 26041
Posted: 26 April 2009 at 4:48pm

I also had an internal tear and had internal stitches, which definitely made sex pretty sore originally. But now it is ok. So as long as Dr thinks you are ok, I think just stick at it and it will come right! Definitely not quite the same as before though as all a bit stretched etc!! Ugh! DH and I have had it quite a bit since DS was born - although not as often as Babe!! And I agree it gets better the more you have it and you want it more - so stick at it!!]]> Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:48:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=671114&title=postbaby-relations#671114 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : JessDub, I agree with the &#034;you...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=668389&title=postbaby-relations#668389 Author: mummytobesep08
Subject: 26041
Posted: 23 April 2009 at 9:38am

JessDub, I agree with the "you are completely normal!!!!" especially with a first baby. (things seen to go back to normal quicker with subsequent babies)

are you breastfeeding? Because breastfeeding has a LOT to answer for when it comes to post baby relations. You can assure DP that once BFing has stopped, things will return to normal

then of course there is time. The four letter word everyone wishes they had more of. Relations takes up precious sleeping time, so its often waaaaaaaaay down on the priorities list. I cannot put enough emphasis on how great afternoon snuggle time can be. You've got so much more energy than at nights!

When you do get the time another thing could be...well...after having a baby things can certainly feel different...stretched...and not be as sensitive or responsive as before. Give yourselves time to rediscover, well i dont really know how to put it but im sure you get my drift

hope the talk went well!

Amelia]]> Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:38:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=668389&title=postbaby-relations#668389 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : LOL DP took one look at my post...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=667304&title=postbaby-relations#667304 Author: Babe
Subject: 26041
Posted: 22 April 2009 at 8:39am

LOL DP took one look at my post and decided he had something to prove yummy.....

Its really important I think especially for us females to feel connected outside the bedroom. Its also really important to make time for each other after the baby/s come along coz they tend to grab alot of our attention. Relationships need work and its good to work on being friends as well as lovers IYKWIM.

Arrgh my boy is back and wreaking havoc... Sorry if this is abit disjointed lol forgot what alot of attention he requires!!







]]> Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:39:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=667304&title=postbaby-relations#667304 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : i think it depends how your labour...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=667141&title=postbaby-relations#667141 Author: bext1
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 9:52pm

i think it depends how your labour was, ie tears etc. I had a c-sec but a week later was OK.

maybe you could go on a date night? maybe that would give you some time to reconnect ]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:52:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=667141&title=postbaby-relations#667141 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : I&#039;m also sh*t scared that...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=667117&title=postbaby-relations#667117 Author: peanut butter
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 9:38pm

I'm also sh*t scared that sex = another baby!]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:38:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=667117&title=postbaby-relations#667117 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : LOL Missangel...sometimes that...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=667116&title=postbaby-relations#667116 Author: peanut butter
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 9:37pm

LOL Missangel...sometimes that stuff takes more effort]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:37:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=667116&title=postbaby-relations#667116 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : I know how you feel, but just...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=667104&title=postbaby-relations#667104 Author: MissAngel
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 9:31pm

I know how you feel, but just remember, theres other stuff you can do (without me getting pornographic) without actually pysically having sex ;) ]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:31:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=667104&title=postbaby-relations#667104 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : Bahahaha gypsynita, that&#039;s...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=667006&title=postbaby-relations#667006 Author: kiwisj
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 8:16pm

Bahahaha gypsynita, that's classic, a sex reserve eh.

I'm feeling quite relieved that we're "normal" too. Definitely good point about the more you do it the more you want it. It's an exhaustion thing too though - when you make it to bed all you want to do is sleep when you know it's not going to be long before you need to get up again. I think in my case we need to try the time limit/ultimatum thing too, might make things interesting at least!]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:16:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=667006&title=postbaby-relations#667006 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : Lol yeah I think I&#039;m the...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666896&title=postbaby-relations#666896 Author: gypsynita
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 7:06pm

[QUOTE=Babe] Lol yeah I think I'm the abnormal one we were going at it like deprived people by the 6 week mark (after Jake was born) and haven't stopped 3 times a day is perfectly normal for us!
[QUOTE]

Way to go Babe!!! Better hide this post before DH sees it me thinks... we haven't been that energetic since we first got together!!

As for since Cian was born - not much action at all i'm afraid. DH wants it heaps more than me but that's cause he's got a "sex reserve" (similar to a "pudding stomach") that kicks in even when he's super tired apparently

If you're still hurting down there though I'd probably get it checked out - just in case ]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:06:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666896&title=postbaby-relations#666896 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : Hooray Jessdub, while I totally...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666855&title=postbaby-relations#666855 Author: Chickoin
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 6:40pm

Hooray Jessdub, while I totally sympathise, I am SOOO glad I'm not the only one! We've done it twice.

Where oh where has my libido gone??

I think nzpiper may have a point, the more it's done, the more you may want it??

I hope your chat with your DF goes well tonight, it will be very good to let him know exactly how you feel. ]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:40:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666855&title=postbaby-relations#666855 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : Hi jessdub, don&#039;t worry...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666838&title=postbaby-relations#666838 Author: bex88
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 6:26pm

Hi jessdub,

don't worry you are completely normal. I had a pretty bad 3rd degree tear with DS (was told may be to uncomfortable for up to a year), we started when DS was 2 months, and it was well to say the least painful, to be honest I wasn't overly interested in doing it all the time, but persevered for DF's sake, and over time it got better.

So I guess just talk to your DP and let him know how your feeling whats going on etc. and just go from there]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:26:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666838&title=postbaby-relations#666838 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : Yeah you guys are definitely normal...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666834&title=postbaby-relations#666834 Author: AandCsmum
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 6:24pm

Yeah you guys are definitely normal & Babe's just making it all up

I got an IUCD at 6 weeks & it has freaked DH out somewhat! So there has been no bonking here either! Last time the midwife gave me an ultimatim to have sex by 6 weeks to make sure everything is working fine, or suffer a check....this time I've had 3 checks!

BUT....we are far more intimate this time around, it just hasn't passed over to the bedroom so to speak. DH also works long hours & is as tired as I am at the end of the day.

It will get better but you have to work at it & you almost need to do what Nikki has said..put a time limit on it. I think I'm going to have to do that.

Edited by Aliasmum]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:24:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666834&title=postbaby-relations#666834 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : Lol yeah I think I&#039;m the...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666661&title=postbaby-relations#666661 Author: Babe
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 4:28pm

Lol yeah I think I'm the abnormal one we were going at it like deprived people by the 6 week mark (after Jake was born) and haven't stopped 3 times a day is perfectly normal for us!

Yep NZPiper I'm just the all round perfect woman well thats the illusion DP has and we wouldn't wana go spoiling that now would we hehe...]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:28:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666661&title=postbaby-relations#666661 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : Thank you for the responses, bless...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666558&title=postbaby-relations#666558 Author: JessDub
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 3:05pm

Thank you for the responses, bless your hearts. X

Going to have a chat and a cuddle with DF tonight... and assure him that we're normal.]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:05:52 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666558&title=postbaby-relations#666558 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : We&#039;ve only done it twice...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666516&title=postbaby-relations#666516 Author: peanut butter
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 2:46pm

We've only done it twice since James....but we did make a pledge to do it 3 times this week.....hell!!! That means 3 times between tonight and tomorrow night.  .

 

I have zero interest in it but know that the more I do it the more I will want it.  Just got to get back in the habit. 

 

Maybe its uncomfy because a)still breast feeding? and b) havent done it enough lately?

 

Babe!!!!  all that AND you domestic goddess!

]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:46:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666516&title=postbaby-relations#666516 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : Didn&#039;t wana read and run....]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666395&title=postbaby-relations#666395 Author: Babe
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 1:26pm

Didn't wana read and run. Never had this prob myself I think I wanted it more than DP but I'm sympathetic.
Do you make time to connect with each other during the day/evening? I think a big thing that made it work for us was that we totally flirt with each other. He'll squeeze my bum secretly when we're out and we'll haul each other into a dark corner and make out, I'll whisper dirty things in his ear while he having a conversation with a mate and we have alot of time for fun (board games, walks, fave tv shows, etc with or without Jake).
It wasn't as easy when Jake was younger because I had to get up for him abit but he was sleeping for a minimum of 8 hrs a night by 7 weeks so it helped with the tired levels. Also getting it on at random times of the day (we'll often do it as soon as he gets home from work) it doesn't havta be at night. We shoot in the bedroom late on a saturday morning while Jakes playing outside and have a quickie. Def keeps things sizzling
Hope it works out for you chick x]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:26:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666395&title=postbaby-relations#666395 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : Your not the only one who feels...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666301&title=postbaby-relations#666301 Author: busyissy
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 12:23pm

Your not the only one who feels lije that & it is completely normal. It also doesn't help that you probably get very little time to yourself or to be yourself, you are always mummy! And I don't know about you but being pressured (& it doesn't have to be overt) puts me off. Have you had an honest discussion with DH about how you feel?]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:23:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666301&title=postbaby-relations#666301 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : I don&#039;t really have any answers...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666289&title=postbaby-relations#666289 Author: kiwisj
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 12:10pm

I don't really have any answers for you either, but I hate it when there's loads of views and noone says hi!

My DS is nearly 4 1/2 months now and I reckon we've BD'd maybe three times? This will prolly sound really daggy but there's still "intimacy" between us though IYKWIM? You don't have to "do it" to keep things romantic before your wedding My DH works really long hours and hasn't coped as well as he thought he would with interrupted sleep (I'm positive he thinks he has the rough deal despite the fact it's me who actually has to get up and do the feeding?) so he's not exactly begging me for it anyway.

I think first's suggestion of getting someone to take over for the night so you can get some decent sleep is a good one. Things definitely started getting back to "normal" when my MIL was here (funnily enough) as she sent us off out for dinner on our own a couple of times and offered to do late feeds and then just didn't bring the monitor in afterwards (which could have pee'd me off I spose but TBH I was just grateful for the good night's sleep).

So, no real answers for you. But you're not the only one ]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:10:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666289&title=postbaby-relations#666289 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : I don&#039;t have any ansers for...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666185&title=postbaby-relations#666185 Author: first
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 10:45am

I don't have any ansers for you other than have you seen a dr. to check everything is okay. I know after giving birth I was well over everyone having a looky down there but it would be a starting point.
Could you maybe have someone look after your wee bub for the night so that you know that you are going to get a full nights sleep.
]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:45:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666185&title=postbaby-relations#666185 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : LOL! 18 views and no comments,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666167&title=postbaby-relations#666167 Author: JessDub
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 10:24am

LOL! 18 views and no comments, everyone must be getting it on!]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:24:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666167&title=postbaby-relations#666167 <![CDATA[Post-baby relations : I&#039;m sure this topic has been...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666079&title=postbaby-relations#666079 Author: JessDub
Subject: 26041
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 8:50am

I'm sure this topic has been done before but I guess I need to hear that I'm not the only one...

DS is nearly 6 months old and DF and I have only had sex 2-3 times since then. Mostly I'm too tired (up twice a night to BF) and really don't feel like it but also it's still quite uncomfortable (I had an internal tear).

The lack of sex is starting to come between us - and we're getting married in November!! He's being good and not pressuring me but I can tell he's getting frustrated and does equate nooky with love - a guy thing I think.

Not that any of you are psychic, but please tell me it will get better....]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:50:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26041&PID=666079&title=postbaby-relations#666079