https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 06 Apr 2026 17:07:55 +0000 Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:31:07 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.05 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=28272 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=780189&title=breastfeeding-support#780189 Author: SquishysMum
Subject: 28272
Posted: 19 September 2009 at 6:31pm

LOL at the article..."...flapping our breasts around like a pair of competinh strippers..." ]]> Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:31:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=780189&title=breastfeeding-support#780189 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=780137&title=breastfeeding-support#780137 Author: HippyMama
Subject: 28272
Posted: 19 September 2009 at 5:23pm

Just thought I would bump up this thread with a link to the actual article Liz was talking about in the OP - a definite must read even if you're not a breastfeeding mama!

Breastfeeding in the Land of Genghis Khan]]> Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:23:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=780137&title=breastfeeding-support#780137 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=755082&title=breastfeeding-support#755082 Author: Babe
Subject: 28272
Posted: 23 August 2009 at 9:51pm

BFing was a disaster for us. I definitely would've continued to BF if I'd had the support and advice of someone.
I have big boobs to start with but when my milk came in I went from an F cup to a JJ overnight and they were hard and lumpy and agonisingly painful.
I couldn't get Jake to latch and none of the staff at the hospital would help me other than trying to stuff my extremely tender boob into my hysterical babys mouth which as you can imagine only sent our stress levels through the roof and made things that bit worse each time it happened. I had one visit with a LC which involved her settting me up on an electric expressing machine (what are they called? I've had a total mindblank!) then leaving the room for 45 minutes before unplugging me, saying good luck you'll sort it out and leaving.
It was a miserable time coz I was asking and asking for help and nobody listened to me or anything!
My cousin was over from Aussie and was at the maternity ward with me (I was there for a week coz I couldn't get him feeding) and shes was the one that actually got things rolling. I didn't have anybody else around, all my family went back to their own lives and my babys dad had refused to take paternal leave or whatever its called from work. After watching me cry and struggle and feel like a total failure for 3 days my wonderful cousin walked into town to the pharmacy where they suggested nipple shields. We found out later the LC at the hospital provides them for free but since she never bothered to check on us again my cousin spent $28 on this set. It made a huge difference but ultimately I got mastitis and just gave up.
Remembering how useless all the medical staff involved were still makes my blood boil and now I'm pregnant again it makes me almost cry at having to go through it all again. I didn't have a problem with FFing - its a perfectly acceptable form of nourishment as far as I'm concerned. What really gets me is the total lack of compassion and time, advice and just kindness from the medical staff in TWO maternity wards! I got transferred halfway through my week and NEITHER set of staff did jack!! In fact Jake was born at 11.55pm and it was after 9 the next morning when I had to beg a nurse to help me feed him. He'd been pretty much non-stop crying the whole time and they couldn't be f***ed getting off their lazy asses to see what the problem was then refused to provide me a bottle to get him fed when I asked. They said that as I'd made it clear I wanted to BF and since breast was best they would not encourage the use of a bottle. I had to provide my own FF gear!!
Obviously I'm still a tad sensitive about this. I ranted in the other thread too before I read this one
Anyway I would've def continued to BF if I'd had support and I'll be looking up whoever it was someone suggested this time round. If it doesn't work then fine but atleast I'll feel like someone took the time to listen and give me some ideas!]]> Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:51:59 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=755082&title=breastfeeding-support#755082 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754770&title=breastfeeding-support#754770 Author: fire_engine
Subject: 28272
Posted: 23 August 2009 at 2:58pm

I BF till 7 1/2 months - coincided with me starting work, doing WW and exercising. Despite eating all the right stuff and not going under my points, my milk seemed to reduce significantly. Tied in with that was Daniel is lazy and the bottle was less effort for him (at the end he was FF except for morning and night). He got really fed up with low flow and in the end I could only feed him when he was asleep cos otherwise we were both in tears. Not to mention my monthly breast infections.   I would have liked to go to 1 year with a morning/night feed but, it was really affecting our relationship and there was NO bonding going on so I let it go.

I could have seen a LC - my friend's mum is one and she got involved when Daniel was 7 days and I was about to chuck it in - I could have gone back to her but I just couldn't face it for some reason ]]> Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:58:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754770&title=breastfeeding-support#754770 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754683&title=breastfeeding-support#754683 Author: jazzy
Subject: 28272
Posted: 23 August 2009 at 12:44pm

Kellie wrote: Lemongirl, the hospital will have a lactation consultant who will be able to help you as soon as you have the baby. Even if it means using nipple shields etc. Have you told your midwife about your concerns?

Good advise, I was induced & got to see the lactation consultant before & after baby was born, she was great, they also gave me the shields & heaps of support from the ward m/w.

I suggest you talk to your mw & she will arrange support for you. BF is not easy for everyone, ]]> Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:44:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754683&title=breastfeeding-support#754683 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754671&title=breastfeeding-support#754671 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 28272
Posted: 23 August 2009 at 12:17pm

For support form peers, check out

www.pcp.org.nz

This is a programme that I am running in Blenhiem, but there are heaps all over the country, free, trained, correct advise from peers. Well worth a look, even if you aren't feeding yet but plan to. It runs all round the world as it is recognised taht one of the main reasons why people give up is lack of support and correct advice.

I was well supported by a LC and my mw. My husband wasn't overly keen on BF, but Im a stubborn mule. I find society is a bit, um unsupportive if you feed beyond a certain age though, as in 6 months plus? Weird, I think, since the world average for weaning is 4. ]]> Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:17:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754671&title=breastfeeding-support#754671 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754640&title=breastfeeding-support#754640 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 28272
Posted: 23 August 2009 at 11:35am

lizt hat was a great article - i expect toby to become a wrestler now! but i dont know if i want that for eden! LOL!

Edited by Bizzy]]> Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:35:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754640&title=breastfeeding-support#754640 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754575&title=breastfeeding-support#754575 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 28272
Posted: 23 August 2009 at 9:43am

no i didnt read the article, will look for it.
i think tho that if you look for stares you will find them... i bf toby till 26mths but usually at home by then... and in all the time i have fed my kids - all three in all sorts of places; funerals, food courts, parks, malls... - i have never felt judged or stared at, yet so many woman doing the same as me say they have been.
maybe its a perception thing! ]]> Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:43:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754575&title=breastfeeding-support#754575 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754551&title=breastfeeding-support#754551 Author: lizzle
Subject: 28272
Posted: 23 August 2009 at 9:16am

have you read that article Deb? It's really cool and eye-opening. although I completely agree with the 'superwoman" comment, the support given to this canadian woman was more like an expectation that of course you breastfeed and isn't it great. taxi drivers saying how wonderful it was she was breastfeeding and what a great start she was giving her son - i think he was like 2 years old though - a time where if you are still breastfeeding in NZ, you get stares - i would imagine.]]> Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:16:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754551&title=breastfeeding-support#754551 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754523&title=breastfeeding-support#754523 Author: _SMS_
Subject: 28272
Posted: 23 August 2009 at 7:20am

I am still feeding DD now she is 7 1/2 months.

I have never had any problems with breastfeeding that wernt emotional.

Noone i knew BF there kids, so i had to look upon parenting sites for help. The first 3 months were the most demanding, then until 6 months we had problems like DD being distracted and wouldnt feed, then that was more annoying lol. From about 6 months its just gotten heaps easier

At this stage i plan to stop around 12 months but who knows ]]> Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:20:09 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754523&title=breastfeeding-support#754523 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754489&title=breastfeeding-support#754489 Author: MissAngel
Subject: 28272
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 11:57pm

Thomas was BF for 3 weeks - I quit because I had no supply and no amount of people harassing me to try harder was going to make it happen, and I didnt really want to do it anyway.
The next one will be bottle fed. ]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:57:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754489&title=breastfeeding-support#754489 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754480&title=breastfeeding-support#754480 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 28272
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 11:39pm

lemongirl wrote: I know this sounds odd but being able to breastfeed is the thing I am most anxious about in terms of the baby. I have chest disfigurement so one of my breasts points into the other one and I have flat nipples. So I've already got this nagging thought that my body isn't going to be able to do it.

actually you may be able to see someone before bub is born to get some ideas in place before hand... ]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:39:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754480&title=breastfeeding-support#754480 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754479&title=breastfeeding-support#754479 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 28272
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 11:38pm

i saw a lactation person with my first, but that was related to his tongue tie not any specific feeding problem... i had a lot of unsupportive freinds and family with regards to me fully breastfeeding but i had made up my mind... i used to use the bottle as a threat to my babies when they got too tricky - and i used a dummy to sort out my problems with the middle child...

the problem with support systems is that sometimes we as mothers think we are super women and dont need help - we can do it all on our own! and damn you if you say otherwise! so even if support is there, its accessing it or wanting to access it even.

(oh and my opinion probably isnt worth much seeing as i didnt stop breastfeeding but i love to give it anyway ) ]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:38:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754479&title=breastfeeding-support#754479 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754427&title=breastfeeding-support#754427 Author: Maya
Subject: 28272
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 10:22pm

I would have definitely been able to breastfeed longer with the gremlins if I'd had more support in the first week or two. Once we left hospital without having established feeding, we were pretty much doomed.

With lil miss it's been pure stubbornness to persevere, and now I'd probably think about weaning down to 1-2 feeds a day, but "booby" was one of her first words and I suspect she has other ideas as she's still a 6-8 time a day feeder.]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:22:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754427&title=breastfeeding-support#754427 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754402&title=breastfeeding-support#754402 Author: babyg
Subject: 28272
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 9:44pm

I really wanted to BF Carys and definitely want to BF future babies.

Carys was a great latcher and feeder and I had way more milk than I needed (huge oversupply). But I experienced severe and debilitating pain in one breast when feeding. I never got mastitis but was treated with several rounds of thrush cream and 3 lots of ABs - nothing worked. The MW and doc eventually told me that it was probably just slight muscle damage and that it would get better. It never got better and after 3mths of crying through every feed I gave up. I was so disappointed. I would've fed for a year if I didn't have so much pain (I would've settled for less pain than labour)

My pain has eased but, almost 2yrs after I started BFing I still have ongoing pain and issues with that breast. I am having my issues investigated (due to a lump) and it is looking likely that I have had Fibrocystic Breast Disease all this time - which cannot be treated but in itself is no great major.

My fear is that I REALLY want to BF next time around and if I do have Fibroids it is highly likely that I will have the same problems reoccuring

Does anyone else here have Fibroids? I'll pop another thread up so that this one doesn't get hijacked.]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:44:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754402&title=breastfeeding-support#754402 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754135&title=breastfeeding-support#754135 Author: kellie
Subject: 28272
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 12:44pm

Lemongirl, the hospital will have a lactation consultant who will be able to help you as soon as you have the baby. Even if it means using nipple shields etc. Have you told your midwife about your concerns?]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:44:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754135&title=breastfeeding-support#754135 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754134&title=breastfeeding-support#754134 Author: lemongirl
Subject: 28272
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 12:42pm

I know this sounds odd but being able to breastfeed is the thing I am most anxious about in terms of the baby. I have chest disfigurement so one of my breasts points into the other one and I have flat nipples. So I've already got this nagging thought that my body isn't going to be able to do it.]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:42:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754134&title=breastfeeding-support#754134 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754132&title=breastfeeding-support#754132 Author: kellie
Subject: 28272
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 12:38pm

Sirius seemed to self wean at about 6months. He would refuse to feed all day, and would just bite. I knew he had to be thirsty, but he would scream and try to twist away.

We had always had problems with him snackfeeding, and it had seemed we had just got the hang of it when he started flat out refusing.

Plunket and LLL were at a loss. He would feed at night though, and wake up every hour. So after about 1month of this we switched to formula full time.

I wanted to BF for at least a year, but I am happy in that I tried my best.

Edited by Kellie]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:38:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754132&title=breastfeeding-support#754132 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754102&title=breastfeeding-support#754102 Author: kebakat
Subject: 28272
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 11:45am

With Daniel it was sort of both but neither at the same time.

Daniel was a horrible feeder from day 1, it wasn't that it hurt or anything, I didn't have pain, I didn't get infections, I had lots of milk, but he was a right ass to latch.

I found it really difficult to do it with such massive boobs and I was very very self conscious about the way I had to latch him and hold my boobs, I had to have one hand on him, one holding my boob in place cause if I let it go he would pop off and get suffocated lol.

It was never relaxing and I hated every minute of feeding him. After 3 months I had just had enough of fighting and stress to get him to feed. I didn't need more support because I had support from DH and a LC/MW. I couldn't go breastfeed in public because I didn't want to expose myself in that way (cause it was alot of boob that got exposed lol).

I just got fed up with it, I made it to 3 months because I had had enough. Switching to bottle just made everyone so much happier]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:45:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754102&title=breastfeeding-support#754102 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754094&title=breastfeeding-support#754094 Author: Tastic
Subject: 28272
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 11:28am

I bf Bailey for 6 months till I went back to work, then the stress and tiredness - was susposed to only be doing 25 hours per week but being a chef in a hotel ended up more like 40 - 50 hours
the first month however I had to get my mum or Jamie to bring him in so I could feed him, my boss was lovely about this and let me use his office which we shut the blinds

Aidan was different
with him being so prem I was just a pumping mumma
I pumped exclusively for 10 weeks and then I got really bad mastitis and well because it hurt so much I wouldn't/couldn't pump, so my supply kinda vanished even with medication and pumping every 2 hours non stop I couldn't get it back to how it was
he had enough ebm though till he was 13 weeks
we managed to get Aidan to latch twice but both times he had a Brady - stopped breathing so yeah had to stop


with both boys I was and am very disappointed I couldn't continue and with this baby I hope to bf but with two other children it may prove to be more difficult?

Edited by Tastic]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:28:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754094&title=breastfeeding-support#754094 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754063&title=breastfeeding-support#754063 Author: Snappy
Subject: 28272
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 10:20am

With Janaya I would have probably gone on longer if I had support/the knowledge to do so. I was very young and really didnt know what I was doing. When we visited DHs grandparents his cousin told me Janaya was very hungry and that I must not have enough milk, so I gave her some formula and she seemed much happier. Looking back I feel stupid for believing her, but I didn't know how great BF was for babies back then either.

With Jackson I was adament I would "get it right" and make a really big effort to breastfeed. I was in absolute agony, dreaded breastfeeding and would stamp my foot at every feed crying. I saw the plunket nurse and MW on various occasions and everyone assured me it would get better, and that a bit of pain during let down was normal. I got to 6 months and Jackson started biting, so I decided I had endured enough pain and it was time to stop for my own sanity. I also got mastitis every month as well.
Breastfeeding was certainly more of a "pain" and not a joyous experience for me. Would have breastfed for 2 years had it not been so damned painful for me!]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:20:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754063&title=breastfeeding-support#754063 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754058&title=breastfeeding-support#754058 Author: jazzy
Subject: 28272
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 10:09am

DS1 was BF & was not gaining weight we had weekly visits to plunket & dr's & had to have tests done, in the end we did formula top up & he started ganging weight. I stopped BF at 6mths due to the stress.

DS2 weaned himself at 10mths & that was when I found out I was pg.

DS3 was put on formula as I was sick & in hospital for over a week, he was 4 mths. I tried to go back to BF but had to wait for all the drugs to get out of my system so never got back into it.

I would have loved to BF all my kids longer, but sometimes you can not.]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:09:09 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754058&title=breastfeeding-support#754058 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754029&title=breastfeeding-support#754029 Author: lizzle
Subject: 28272
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 9:09am

I read an article today that Jax posted and got me to thinking about breastfeeding and support. I bf Jake exclusively til 3 months when I stopped, and Taine was only 6 weeks when i stopped. BUT I had no problems with the feeding side, it was just the emotional side that made me quit.

So my question to you - did you stop bfing because you physically had to, or do you think with more support you could have continued?

Me first: I really wanted to continue bfeeding Jake, but once I started work I had NO support whatsoever (was in japan). the daycare claimed to not be able to accept breast milk, and my work had no understanding of pumping. If they had been more accepting, and given me more support, there is no question I would have continued. I bf him at night for another 2 months, but then stopped completely.

with T, the plunket n urses seemed to assume because he latched and fed well, all was well. but it wasn't. yeah, I had had a baby before, and could deal with that, but i had never had a toddler and baby before and was really struggling with the guilt of getting pregnant so quickly again. Mum, bless her, had never had two kids (i'm an only) so rather than saying ":what you are feeling is normal and here is how I dealt with it," said "here is the easy way - formula". i think the guilt feeling that comes with having two kids (and possibly subsequent ones), is what bfeeding cponsultant need to [provide support with as well.

So with both my cases, I feel like if I had more support, i would have feed longer (not to say the support doesn't exist - just that I didn't get it)

how about you?]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:09:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28272&PID=754029&title=breastfeeding-support#754029