OHbaby! Forums : Measles outbreaks https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 09 Apr 2026 17:13:14 +0000 Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:09:15 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.05 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=28347 <![CDATA[OHbaby! Forums]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Wow crazy, I got told by my GP...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=769080&title=measles-outbreaks#769080 Author: emz
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Posted: 08 September 2009 at 2:09pm

Wow crazy, I got told by my GP (who I might add is pretty wonderful about these things) to come in at least 6 months before we decided to TTC so that if I needed to have a booster if I had no immunity then it would be over and done with before TTC. And I was only 19 when he told me that lol so I just thought all women of child-bearing age would be given the same advice. A shame you don't all have fab doctors like mine ]]> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:09:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=769080&title=measles-outbreaks#769080 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : it is yeah but you are already...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=769067&title=measles-outbreaks#769067 Author: cuppatea
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Posted: 08 September 2009 at 1:58pm

it is yeah but you are already knocked up then so too late to have a shot as you can't be vaccinated whilst pregnant.

I never knew that you should be tested prior to getting pregnant and no doc or mw has ever said anything to me about the fact that I didn't get tested before trying.]]> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:58:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=769067&title=measles-outbreaks#769067 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : isnt it part of the normal first...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=769057&title=measles-outbreaks#769057 Author: Bizzy
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Posted: 08 September 2009 at 1:49pm

isnt it part of the normal first blood tests they do?]]> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:49:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=769057&title=measles-outbreaks#769057 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : emz- although i knew that in my...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768888&title=measles-outbreaks#768888 Author: ElfsMum
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Posted: 08 September 2009 at 11:16am

emz- although i knew that in my brain somewhere i never did..just been tested a lot lately with all the pregnancies..but never before that..guess i should have but doc/etc never mentioned it ?

]]> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:16:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768888&title=measles-outbreaks#768888 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Neither did I. Infact my midwife...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768854&title=measles-outbreaks#768854 Author: kellie
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Posted: 08 September 2009 at 10:46am

Neither did I. Infact my midwife wasn't going to bother as I told her I had MMR when I was 12 so she thought there was no need. But quite a few friends of mine had also had MMR and tested no immunity so I insisted :)

I dont think it is common knowledge, maybe for some people.]]> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 10:46:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768854&title=measles-outbreaks#768854 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : I had no idea you should get tested...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768765&title=measles-outbreaks#768765 Author: clover
Subject: 28347
Posted: 08 September 2009 at 9:10am

I had no idea you should get tested for Rubella!]]> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:10:28 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768765&title=measles-outbreaks#768765 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : caitlynsmygirl wrote:HAHA ,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768695&title=measles-outbreaks#768695 Author: peanut butter
Subject: 28347
Posted: 08 September 2009 at 8:08am

Originally posted by caitlynsmygirl caitlynsmygirl wrote:

HAHA , I see a four page thread coming up !


Well spotted! ]]> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:08:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768695&title=measles-outbreaks#768695 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : emz wrote:Re the rubella thing...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768686&title=measles-outbreaks#768686 Author: freckle
Subject: 28347
Posted: 08 September 2009 at 7:59am

Originally posted by emz emz wrote:

Re the rubella thing - they actually say if you're planning on getting pregnant to get tested - I assumed everyone knew that, as I thought it was about as common knowledge as making sure you take folic acid? Guess maybe because we went through specialists it might be different...


I thought the same ]]> Tue, 08 Sep 2009 07:59:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768686&title=measles-outbreaks#768686 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Mmmm my pregnancy wasn&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768569&title=measles-outbreaks#768569 Author: ajmmum
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Posted: 07 September 2009 at 9:51pm

Mmmm my pregnancy wasn't planned so I hadnt been tested... was the old fashioned accidental kind

Best damn accident I've been in though!

think it kinda says that assumption isnt a good thing though, I really did assume that especially after having rubella only a couple of years prior I would have immunity - was quite a shock when my obstetrician said I had none!]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:51:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768569&title=measles-outbreaks#768569 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Re the rubella thing - they actually...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768557&title=measles-outbreaks#768557 Author: emz
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 9:44pm

Re the rubella thing - they actually say if you're planning on getting pregnant to get tested - I assumed everyone knew that, as I thought it was about as common knowledge as making sure you take folic acid? Guess maybe because we went through specialists it might be different...]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:44:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768557&title=measles-outbreaks#768557 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : and very good point kellie..i...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768408&title=measles-outbreaks#768408 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 7:46pm

and very good point kellie..i didnt know that(the rubella immunity going down) till i had a scare when pregnant ! ]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:46:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768408&title=measles-outbreaks#768408 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : kmasonnz wrote:Four_eyes -...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768405&title=measles-outbreaks#768405 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 7:44pm

Originally posted by kmasonnz kmasonnz wrote:

Four_eyes - I just wanted to comment, perhaps I am a freak, but I was vaccinated for Rubella... then i got it while at university a couple of years ago (chose to stay out of the university and try not to spread it further and almost failed my criminal law exam because of it, but was glad in the end as it turned out my lecturer was pregnant!) - anyway, despite being tested positive for Rubella then, when I got pregnant & was tested in initial bloods I still had no or minimal immunity! Was a bit annoyed actually, cos I figured that with having the darn disease I should be right, but nope... I avoided public places and worried through my pregnancy because of it!

I just wanted to add that if you are researching you should discuss treatment methods of the diseases with your Doctors - as some of them can be easily treated in early stages with antibiotics, but some require treatment regimes that can be quite horrible. It's a balancing act. And one that only you as a parent (and your child) must live with.


fair enough too i would be annoyed as well.. !:) ]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:44:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768405&title=measles-outbreaks#768405 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Thanks LittleBug, I think he is...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768291&title=measles-outbreaks#768291 Author: kellie
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 5:37pm

Thanks LittleBug, I think he is a cutie too lol
Your kiddies are gorgeous as well :)

Edited by Kellie]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:37:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768291&title=measles-outbreaks#768291 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : I think you are right, Arohanui!...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768256&title=measles-outbreaks#768256 Author: LittleBug
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Posted: 07 September 2009 at 5:15pm

I think you are right, Arohanui!  and I think that it's awesome that we all want to be the best mummies, what lucky kids we have.

Just on a completely different topic, I love the pic in your signature, Kellie, what a cutie!!!

]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:15:46 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=768256&title=measles-outbreaks#768256 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Australia has 95.1% vacc rates...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767840&title=measles-outbreaks#767840 Author: kellie
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Posted: 07 September 2009 at 12:41pm

Australia has 95.1% vacc rates and still have frequent outbreaks.
Regarding herd immunity, most vaccine failure rates are around the 10% mark (excluding the pertussis component of the DTAP one, which is more like 74%) Meaning even if everyone was vaccinated we would still not reach that 95% mark needed to 'wipe out the diseases completely' or so people say.

But I am very biased. My son had a very extreme reaction to a jab and ended up in hospital. They didn't even know what one he was actually given as the serial number recorded on the register was non existent

I get annoyed though at people blaming all the unvaccinated kids for the whooping cough outbreaks. Adults are the main carriers and I don't know any who have had a recent jab for it as immunity only lasts for a few years.

And I know of alot of people (myself included) who had titres done for rubella, and have found to have no immunity. People should be told that immunity is likely to fade over time, instead of finding out while pregnant.

Edited by Kellie]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:41:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767840&title=measles-outbreaks#767840 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : WRXandJosh wrote: Pro or against...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767835&title=measles-outbreaks#767835 Author: Bobbie
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 12:39pm

Originally posted by WRXandJosh WRXandJosh wrote:


Pro or against if you think that vaccinating stops your child picking up the disease then your research was a waste of time. Vaccines do not provide immunity they prepare the body to fight the disease so your child is less likely to be one that becomes seriously ill or dead. Some children are lucky enough to avoid the disease altogether but each and every little body is different .



This! Extremely good point TerriAnne.

I don't want to get into the actual argument anymore but I did want to point out that pro-immunisers get jumped on too so I guess both sides can feel vunerable to attack and unable to speak up.]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:39:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767835&title=measles-outbreaks#767835 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Agreed Arohanui! Very well said!...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767796&title=measles-outbreaks#767796 Author: ajmmum
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 12:11pm

Agreed Arohanui! Very well said! ]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:11:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767796&title=measles-outbreaks#767796 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : arohanui wrote: But you know...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767788&title=measles-outbreaks#767788 Author: Paws
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 12:03pm

Originally posted by arohanui arohanui wrote:


But you know what is awesome about this debate? That all these parents really want what's best for their kids and are actually informed about their decision (whether it be for or against immunisation). Far out we need more parents like that in our world, who obviously care so much for their kids and really take the time to research and also follow their heart.


Well said!!! ]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:03:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767788&title=measles-outbreaks#767788 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : cuppatea wrote: I had an interesting...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767784&title=measles-outbreaks#767784 Author: arohanui
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 12:00pm

Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:



I had an interesting magazine come through the post about vaccines (something sent out be the CDHB), said whooping cough vaccine was 80% effective if you give the vaccine 3 times Well I'm no mathematician but that seems pretty poor to me, 3 shots for only an 80% chance of success, even if everyone was done herd immunity still wouldn't work (not that I think herd immunity works anyway). It also said that those that normally die from it are those too young to have been vaccinated anyway (less than 1 month old). It's things like that that just make me question the logic behind the whole scheme.



Just had to put my 2 cents in here - personally, I'd prefer an 80% chance of being immune/less affected compared to a 0% chance if not immunised at all.

Although I've been immunised my body doesn't tend to build as much resistance as other people (my mum's the same) - just got the rubella blood test results back and it shows a bit of immunity but not what's expected.

It doesn't stop me getting immunised though, nor does it stop me immunising my son. I just know I'd feel awful if he got really really sick and I could have done something to stop it.

But you know what is awesome about this debate? That all these parents really want what's best for their kids and are actually informed about their decision (whether it be for or against immunisation). Far out we need more parents like that in our world, who obviously care so much for their kids and really take the time to research and also follow their heart.

edited cos i repeated a sentence

Edited by arohanui]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:00:59 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767784&title=measles-outbreaks#767784 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Four_eyes - I just wanted to comment,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767677&title=measles-outbreaks#767677 Author: ajmmum
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 10:23am

Four_eyes - I just wanted to comment, perhaps I am a freak, but I was vaccinated for Rubella... then i got it while at university a couple of years ago (chose to stay out of the university and try not to spread it further and almost failed my criminal law exam because of it, but was glad in the end as it turned out my lecturer was pregnant!) - anyway, despite being tested positive for Rubella then, when I got pregnant & was tested in initial bloods I still had no or minimal immunity! Was a bit annoyed actually, cos I figured that with having the darn disease I should be right, but nope... I avoided public places and worried through my pregnancy because of it!

I just wanted to add that if you are researching you should discuss treatment methods of the diseases with your Doctors - as some of them can be easily treated in early stages with antibiotics, but some require treatment regimes that can be quite horrible. It's a balancing act. And one that only you as a parent (and your child) must live with.

Edited by kmasonnz]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:23:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767677&title=measles-outbreaks#767677 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : same Peanut, I have decided it&#039;s...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767647&title=measles-outbreaks#767647 Author: freckle
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 9:53am

same Peanut, I have decided it's unnecessary to do the second measles shot as well.... and I am all for immunisation...]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:53:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767647&title=measles-outbreaks#767647 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : cuppatea wrote: And on the...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767643&title=measles-outbreaks#767643 Author: Paws
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 9:50am

Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:


And on the topic of rudeness, I think it is rude for people to make assumptions about why people don't vaccinate, and i find the " I am sick of them riding on my kids backs" type comments particularly annoying because they are so so so so incorrect. Find out why we don't vaccinate then comment.

Right I am now stepping away from this thread.


Ok I wasn't going to comment but I have to agree with this.

I personally choose to vaccinate. Why? Because I have done my research and weighed things up and we chose that the risk of vaccinating was less than not.

Equally I know plenty of people who chose to not to vaccinate and again, have done their research and made an informed choice. I respect that choice they have made.

Yes some don't vaccinate out of a lack of responsibility of caring or whatever but it does bug me when this debate comes up to see people I consider friends to lumped into the same category.

JMTCW.]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:50:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767643&title=measles-outbreaks#767643 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : cuppatea wrote:I had an interesting...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767641&title=measles-outbreaks#767641 Author: Peanut
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 9:49am

Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

I had an interesting magazine come through the post about vaccines (something sent out be the CDHB), said whooping cough vaccine was 80% effective if you give the vaccine 3 times Well I'm no mathematician but that seems pretty poor to me, 3 shots for only an 80% chance of success, even if everyone was done herd immunity still wouldn't work (not that I think herd immunity works anyway). It also said that those that normally die from it are those too young to have been vaccinated anyway (less than 1 month old). It's things like that that just make me question the logic behind the whole scheme.


Didn't really want to get involved but your quote sums up exactly what I have been wanting to say. Most vaccines have a high failure rate anyway as shown with the whooping cough example. There was also the MenzB vaccine that had a similar failure rate at the end - so I ended up withdrawing my child from that course after his first injection.

I am also frustrated that it has not been pointed out to parents that after the 1st measles vaccine 90-95% of children are already fully immune so that means that alot of kids are having their second shot early for what I conside to be no real reason.

I should point out that my child is vaccinated except the Menz B and will not be having the second measles shot. I have chosen to fully immunise him with the rest mainly because of the countries we frequently travel too. If we didn't travel to these countries I would have been more selective about what my child was given.]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:49:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767641&title=measles-outbreaks#767641 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : SimSam wrote:[Given that there...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767619&title=measles-outbreaks#767619 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 9:28am

Originally posted by SimSam SimSam wrote:

[Given that there are so many external things that can affect the health of our children - I wonder how many non-vaccinating parents avoid them also.... non-organic food, power lines, microwaves, cell phone towers, pollution, cigarette smoke...the list is endless.




As much as is humanly possible I try to avoid those things or at least limit contact with them. Maybe we are just more paranoid than most

I had an interesting magazine come through the post about vaccines (something sent out be the CDHB), said whooping cough vaccine was 80% effective if you give the vaccine 3 times Well I'm no mathematician but that seems pretty poor to me, 3 shots for only an 80% chance of success, even if everyone was done herd immunity still wouldn't work (not that I think herd immunity works anyway). It also said that those that normally die from it are those too young to have been vaccinated anyway (less than 1 month old). It's things like that that just make me question the logic behind the whole scheme.

]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:28:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767619&title=measles-outbreaks#767619 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : very true WRX..they do mostly...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767587&title=measles-outbreaks#767587 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 8:56am

very true WRX..they do mostly stop some diseases being caught..rubella for example but some are still caught..just less chance of a deadly reaction..

I fully expect him to get the childhood diseases just for me personally I am happy in the knowledge that I have done all I can to limit the severity by vaccinating.

Edited by Four_eyes]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:56:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767587&title=measles-outbreaks#767587 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : I only have one thing to say Pro...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767576&title=measles-outbreaks#767576 Author: WRXnKids
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 8:45am

I only have one thing to say

Pro or against if you think that vaccinating stops your child picking up the disease then your research was a waste of time. Vaccines do not provide immunity they prepare the body to fight the disease so your child is less likely to be one that becomes seriously ill or dead. Some children are lucky enough to avoid the disease altogether but each and every little body is different .

]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:45:50 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767576&title=measles-outbreaks#767576 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : After having lost a very dear...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767540&title=measles-outbreaks#767540 Author: MummyFreckle
Subject: 28347
Posted: 07 September 2009 at 8:06am

After having lost a very dear friend at the age of 14 due to encephalitis as a result of measles, (amongst other reasons) I am pro vaccination, I wouldnt want my family to suffer the same pain, grief and heartbreak that his family did because of a choice I could have made for him.

I think that as parents (and its not just mummies) - we make choices every minute of every day that affect our children and potentially the rest of their lives. Predominantly they are good, well informed choices, but sometimes we have to make a choice on what we "feel" is right too.

Given that there are so many external things that can affect the health of our children - I wonder how many non-vaccinating parents avoid them also.... non-organic food, power lines, microwaves, cell phone towers, pollution, cigarette smoke...the list is endless.

Like I say - I think we ALL do our best for our children, and I am aware that my choices  now will have a lasting impact on his life.

 

]]> Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:06:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767540&title=measles-outbreaks#767540 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Just breezing through. But proud...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767469&title=measles-outbreaks#767469 Author: ajmmum
Subject: 28347
Posted: 06 September 2009 at 10:00pm

Just breezing through. But proud to say I am not vaccinating Aston. I have my reasons, have done my research.

If you vaccinate, that is your choice, but I do know PLENTY of parents who thought they HAD to get their child vaccinated & even those with doubts were bullied relentlessly by the pro-vaccine team. I know that there is very little unbiased information on vaccination available. There is plenty of pressure, and propaganda to vaccinate (everyone get their bib from the register?). My plunket nurse told me that I should be giving Aston his 6 week jabs because "what if he gets measles?". Education is lacking all over the place, & in places it should be at it's highest!

Vaccinated children exposed to the disease (perhaps carried by a non-vaccinated child, or *dum dum dum dum* a vaccinated child that gets it anyway, what do they call that at the moment? Historical failure?) should by the very nature of the vaccination have their immunity improved, it should act as a "booster" shot. The only way it wouldnt is if the vaccination itself was not enough to provide immunity to the diseases, and therefore completely ineffective and of no purpose.

I also think there is a callous disregard on the part of our medical profession to ensure that babies are vaccinated when they are healthy (and at their true age, I do not think prem babes should be vaccinated at 6 weeks), and not as succeptable to side effects. I also do not believe enough money is invested in advancing vaccination research past the "let's quickly get it out there" stage. Tracking of long term side effects should be included so we can improve vaccinations so that the very real problems with them can be corrected. Instead, we turn a blind eye to reactions that are clearly related to vaccines, because otherwise we may have to admit we have hurt our children. Vaccines are tested on adult immune systems, they are tested on immune systems and bodies that are completely dissimilar to our babies developing systems. We need to establish more unbiased research (not necessarily anti-vaccination either).

Anyhow, sheesh, I really wasn't going to get involved. But I wanted to say my piece because I've found in non-vaccination circles we tend to be a bit quieter, and don't like admitting it for fear of getting yelled at, but I am confident in my decision, so am proudly standing up to say I don't vaccinate.

]]> Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:00:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=767469&title=measles-outbreaks#767469 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Awww LB ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766305&title=measles-outbreaks#766305 Author: lilfatty
Subject: 28347
Posted: 05 September 2009 at 6:49am

Awww LB ]]> Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:49:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766305&title=measles-outbreaks#766305 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Haha caitlynsmygirl I would...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766285&title=measles-outbreaks#766285 Author: LittleBug
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 11:09pm

Haha caitlynsmygirl

I would just like to add a disclaimer to my post... while vaccinating is a good idea in my opinion, that does not mean that I don't respect other people's decisions regarding vaccination. My post was by no means a personal attack on anyone and I think you are all awesome, caring and knowledgeable mummies

]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:09:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766285&title=measles-outbreaks#766285 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : HAHA , I see a four page thread...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766282&title=measles-outbreaks#766282 Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 11:02pm

HAHA , I see a four page thread coming up ! ]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:02:21 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766282&title=measles-outbreaks#766282 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Immunizing to eliminate diseases...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766277&title=measles-outbreaks#766277 Author: WRXnKids
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 10:44pm

Immunizing to eliminate diseases will only work if a certain percentage vaccinate and we in NZ are below that rate so no chance of wiping out these disease anytime soon. I dont care if you immunize or not but i do believe it does affect the whole country because of this.

I vaccinated because i figure when Josh does get these things he should at least get a weaker hit of them as chickenpox and mumps were a part of mine and all my friends childhoods so expect him to get them at some stage. Im not the most informed on all of the info out there but as above have my reasons and can think of worse toxins to be ingesting. ]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:44:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766277&title=measles-outbreaks#766277 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : I&#039;m very very pro vaccine...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766168&title=measles-outbreaks#766168 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 8:58pm

I'm very very pro vaccine (as we know) so I won't say anything else to this debate.....

but i do find it sad that we have one of the worse immunisation rates in the world:( and therefore our children will get exposed to these diseases more than they need to and the potentially deadly outcomes:( ]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:58:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766168&title=measles-outbreaks#766168 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Fully agree LB I don&#039;t...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766137&title=measles-outbreaks#766137 Author: emz
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 8:36pm

Fully agree LB

I don't know anyone that thinks vaccinations are compulsory actually, and also know very few people that haven't thought long and hard about WHY you vaccinate (or not) before deciding to, so I don't know if we just mix in very different circles or what.

I consider myself very informed on the issue as well. We had to go through a lot of information sessions, and read a lot of research alongside Jack's paeds to decide whether or not to continue certain vaccinations, and when to have them.

I would rather take my stand from professionals in the field and the government who are standing by the claims of a record low immunisation rate as the reason for the outbreak, rather than comparing to other countries, as like Bobbie said, it's not an apples and apples comparison so is therefore inaccurate.]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:36:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766137&title=measles-outbreaks#766137 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : LittleBug wrote:sure it&#039;s...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766077&title=measles-outbreaks#766077 Author: MrsMojo
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 7:48pm

Originally posted by LittleBug LittleBug wrote:

sure it's not 100%, but neither is a bungy rope... I am hoping that most people will still opt for the bungee rope if they decide to jump off a bridge, because the chances are it WILL work.

 

]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:48:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766077&title=measles-outbreaks#766077 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Bobbie wrote: And the fact...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766053&title=measles-outbreaks#766053 Author: LittleBug
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 7:23pm

Originally posted by Bobbie Bobbie wrote:


And the fact remains - if your child who you choose not to immunise gets ill with a preventable disease and then transmits that to someone's child who is too young to be vaccinated you are effectively removing their rights to make their own decision and adding a lot of stress, worry and possibly disability and death - so your actions do affect others regardless of how you would like to argue it otherwise and regardless of your beliefs and reasons for not vaccinating.


That's true, you can't say that your decision doesn't affect anyone else's child, and there is no denying that the outbreaks are getting worse the less that people immunise.

In saying that, I can understand why a few individuals would choose not to immunise (like we decided not to get Choe the influenza vaccine that was recommended by her Dr this year because she is allergic to egg and I didn't want to risk it, since the vaccine was cultured in egg).

But I think it's sad that many people are choosing not to vaccinate because of the "toxins" put into their bodies, when there are many worse things - like my friend who didn't want to vaccinate for that reason but is happy giving her kids heaps of untested homeopathic remedies that she doesn't know their mechanisms of action, possible side effects, etc etc.

I also don't understand the "vaccines don't work" statement... sure it's not 100%, but neither is a bungy rope... I am hoping that most people will still opt for the bungee rope if they decide to jump off a bridge, because the chances are it WILL work.


]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:23:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766053&title=measles-outbreaks#766053 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : No I did not only look at US research...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766027&title=measles-outbreaks#766027 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 6:58pm

No I did not only look at US research and if you read my post you will see I said countries AND some US states. Yes I understand the US have different jabs and a different schedule, doesn't make ours any better though.

I could feel bad about anything my kids could potentially catch and pass on, like the flu, or rotovirus, or HFM, or slap cheek, or scarlett fever, etc etc etc. But I don't and I'm sorry if you don't like it but that's just tough. I refuse to inject my children with toxins just because other people think I should.

If one of my children catch one of the illnesses I will do my best to stop them spreading it about the same as I have when they have had any other illness and if there is an outbreak when they are at school and I am required to keep them home till it passes I will.

I also didn't say that you hadn't researched it, I said most parents hadn't, and I stand by that, a lot of parents don't even know that they aren't mandatory or they just do them cos that's what you do.

If you want to believe that me and people like me are responsible for the current out break, go ahead, it's no big deal to me.

And on the topic of rudeness, I think it is rude for people to make assumptions about why people don't vaccinate, and i find the " I am sick of them riding on my kids backs" type comments particularly annoying because they are so so so so incorrect. Find out why we don't vaccinate then comment.

Right I am now stepping away from this thread.]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:58:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=766027&title=measles-outbreaks#766027 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Woah step back - I did research...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765841&title=measles-outbreaks#765841 Author: Bobbie
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 4:04pm

Woah step back - I did research both sides and I feel my decision is as valid as yours. I didn't say you didn't research it I said I don't agree that the actions don't affect others.

I think assuming people are ignorant because they don't hold the same viewpoint you do is pretty rude actually.

ETA: Here are some things you should know:
American vaccinations are 'compulsory' but a lot of states allow you to opt out of them by signing an afidavit. So you can't argue that the vaccines don't work - you are assuming they have close to a 100% vaccination rate which is not correct.

Comparing American vaccinations with NZ ones is not an 'Apples with Apples' comparison. Most of our vaccines don't come from the same sources that America gets theirs from, they contain different stuff, are administered in different times and in different ways. If you are citing only American research you are not really being very informed at all (note I am not saying you are uninformed just that I would hope you haven't just read American sourced material)

The drop in NZ vaccination rate has a direct correlation with the outbreak of those diseases in question. Seems a bit coincidental?

And the fact remains - if your child who you choose not to immunise gets ill with a preventable disease and then transmits that to someone's child who is too young to be vaccinated you are effectively removing their rights to make their own decision and adding a lot of stress, worry and possibly disability and death - so your actions do affect others regardless of how you would like to argue it otherwise and regardless of your beliefs and reasons for not vaccinating.

Edited by Bobbie]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:04:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765841&title=measles-outbreaks#765841 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : cuppatea wrote:Whatever ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765736&title=measles-outbreaks#765736 Author: jazzy
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 2:56pm

Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

Whatever


]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:56:50 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765736&title=measles-outbreaks#765736 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : I know my decision, im happy with...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765697&title=measles-outbreaks#765697 Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 2:16pm

I know my decision, im happy with it , and I don't feel the need to explain or justify myself to anyone , I think as parents , we all do what we feel is best for our child , whether that means you choose to vaccinate or not .

Anyway , I just wanted to say I hope little mIss is feeling better Em, and makes a speedy recovery ]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:16:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765697&title=measles-outbreaks#765697 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Rashika wrote: Flake wrote:Thanks...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765651&title=measles-outbreaks#765651 Author: flakesitchyfeet
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 1:46pm

Originally posted by Rashika Rashika wrote:

Originally posted by Flake Flake wrote:

Thanks Emma :)
I live right next door to a kindy, in a little township where there has been an outbreak. They want me to give Hollie her first immunisation now, it's an awful spot to be in. We will do it, but it feels so wrong giving the shot to an 8month old when it's normally given at 15.

yeah I have the same dilema here. Got a letter the other day about getting the MMR for Toren who is now 7 months old... it seems so young to me?

still undecided...
Have you gone ahead with it Flake?


Not yet. No more cases have been reported, she's only 3 months off being a year old, and I feel a bit better about doing it then. If any more cases turn up at kindy though I may have to reconsider.]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:46:59 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765651&title=measles-outbreaks#765651 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Very eloquently written cuppatea.Edited...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765645&title=measles-outbreaks#765645 Author: kellie
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 1:40pm

Very eloquently written cuppatea.

Edited by Kellie]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:40:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765645&title=measles-outbreaks#765645 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : There are outbreaks in countries...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765626&title=measles-outbreaks#765626 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 1:28pm

There are outbreaks in countries and in states of America where vaccination is compulsory, so no I don't think it is the reason for the outbreak, I just think we were due one and it would of happened regardless.

I'm sorry you guys are worried about your children but I am not gonna be blamed for it. At least I have educated myself on the subject and made an INFORMED decision. Most parents have no idea what is in the jabs, how they are made, how they are intended to work, what their effectiveness is, what the potential side effects are or more importantly MY reasons for not immunising.

I am not relying on YOUR child being immunised, because for one the vaccines don't make you immune, and secondly I think it would be great if they scrapped the whole vaccine programme altogether and non of the kids were done, the money would be better spent on fighting childhood cancers and other illnesses, child abuse, road safety and all the other things that kill far more children than childhood diseases do or would. It's not the 1900s anymore, measles would not go killing off every other child like it use to.

Honestly people, go and research the other side of the argument and then come back and at least have something educated to say even you are still in favour of the vaccines.
]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:28:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765626&title=measles-outbreaks#765626 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Well it is the reason there&#039;s...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765613&title=measles-outbreaks#765613 Author: emz
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 1:19pm

Well it is the reason there's an outbreak, because the rate of immunisation is too low. Don't think anyone can deny that one anymore and say that not immunising your kids doesn't have an effect on anyone else.

Emma hope Lil Miss is doing OK today.]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:19:28 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765613&title=measles-outbreaks#765613 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Whatever ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765593&title=measles-outbreaks#765593 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 1:02pm

Whatever]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:02:09 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765593&title=measles-outbreaks#765593 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Bobbie wrote:I agree - it makes...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765515&title=measles-outbreaks#765515 Author: jazzy
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 11:40am

Originally posted by Bobbie Bobbie wrote:

I agree - it makes me mad when people choose not to vaccinate and then say that their decision doesn't affect anyone else. Umm yes it does actually! Case in point right now!


Well said Bobbie, I am sick of them riding on my kids backs. My kids go through it so they wont get these horrid diseases & to try & wipe them out.
I feel sorry for the ones that are to young to get it & then get the diseases, so we know who to thank.

I knew someone who chose not to get the whooping cough vac, & yes their child got it & still has it years on, shocking.

]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:40:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765515&title=measles-outbreaks#765515 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Bobbie wrote:I agree - it makes...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765486&title=measles-outbreaks#765486 Author: freckle
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 11:16am

Originally posted by Bobbie Bobbie wrote:

I agree - it makes me mad when people choose not to vaccinate and then say that their decision doesn't affect anyone else. Umm yes it does actually! Case in point right now!


I agree 100%!!]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:16:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765486&title=measles-outbreaks#765486 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : I agree - it makes me mad when...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765430&title=measles-outbreaks#765430 Author: Bobbie
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 10:19am

I agree - it makes me mad when people choose not to vaccinate and then say that their decision doesn't affect anyone else. Umm yes it does actually! Case in point right now!]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:19:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765430&title=measles-outbreaks#765430 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : emz wrote:Oh Emma! I hope Lil...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765281&title=measles-outbreaks#765281 Author: ShellandBella
Subject: 28347
Posted: 04 September 2009 at 7:51am

Originally posted by emz emz wrote:

Oh Emma! I hope Lil Miss gets better really soon

We had measles at our daycare and were sent for Jack's second MMR shot the next day. The poor wee one that got them was too young to get the vaccine as well so it wasn't like there was anything the parents could do to try and prevent it.

The nurse did have a big spiel about anti-immunisation parents though which I thought was interesting (as she is usually very laid-back about commenting on things like that). We could see a spike in mumps and rubella too unfortunately, but that's just a waiting game I guess.

Just another thing for the parents of vulnerable kids to worry about - if Jack catches anything when his neutrophils are on the downhill slide it'll be fun times in our household!


Totally agree, when you have an already 'vulnerable' child, it makes me very nervous knowing that people are choosing NOT to vaccinate (don't want this to be a debate), but the ramifications for Ben if he got measles is 10 fold than for a 'normal' baby...Just my 2 cents worth. Bella had her 2nd lot last week with no ill-effects and Ben will get his soon once his paediatrician gives us the OK.]]> Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:51:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=765281&title=measles-outbreaks#765281 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Flake wrote:Thanks Emma :)...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=763419&title=measles-outbreaks#763419 Author: Rashika
Subject: 28347
Posted: 02 September 2009 at 9:44am

Originally posted by Flake Flake wrote:

Thanks Emma :)
I live right next door to a kindy, in a little township where there has been an outbreak. They want me to give Hollie her first immunisation now, it's an awful spot to be in. We will do it, but it feels so wrong giving the shot to an 8month old when it's normally given at 15.

yeah I have the same dilema here. Got a letter the other day about getting the MMR for Toren who is now 7 months old... it seems so young to me?

still undecided...
Have you gone ahead with it Flake?]]> Wed, 02 Sep 2009 09:44:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=763419&title=measles-outbreaks#763419 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Oh Emma! I hope Lil Miss gets...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=763210&title=measles-outbreaks#763210 Author: emz
Subject: 28347
Posted: 01 September 2009 at 9:53pm

Oh Emma! I hope Lil Miss gets better really soon

We had measles at our daycare and were sent for Jack's second MMR shot the next day. The poor wee one that got them was too young to get the vaccine as well so it wasn't like there was anything the parents could do to try and prevent it.

The nurse did have a big spiel about anti-immunisation parents though which I thought was interesting (as she is usually very laid-back about commenting on things like that). We could see a spike in mumps and rubella too unfortunately, but that's just a waiting game I guess.

Just another thing for the parents of vulnerable kids to worry about - if Jack catches anything when his neutrophils are on the downhill slide it'll be fun times in our household!]]> Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:53:48 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=763210&title=measles-outbreaks#763210 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : i got David done the other day...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=763049&title=measles-outbreaks#763049 Author: chonny
Subject: 28347
Posted: 01 September 2009 at 8:26pm

i got David done the other day but they never said anything about getting Vincent's 2nd dose done?]]> Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:26:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=763049&title=measles-outbreaks#763049 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : well got my boys done today and...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=758957&title=measles-outbreaks#758957 Author: Tastic
Subject: 28347
Posted: 27 August 2009 at 10:35pm

well got my boys done today and wish I hadnt :( they both screamed blue murder and now both have a fear or needles, nurses and doctors! even ambulance drivers and medicine syringes ]]> Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:35:50 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=758957&title=measles-outbreaks#758957 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : They are now doing them at 12...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=758933&title=measles-outbreaks#758933 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 28347
Posted: 27 August 2009 at 10:09pm

They are now doing them at 12 months with the second one at 13 months or if your child has had the first one giving the second one now (so long as it's been at least a month since they had the first shot), they then won't have another one at age 4.

They might not be doing that in your area yet though Nikki, parents were sent out a leaflet in chch. ]]> Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:09:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=758933&title=measles-outbreaks#758933 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : what do you mean by second one???...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=758927&title=measles-outbreaks#758927 Author: peanut butter
Subject: 28347
Posted: 27 August 2009 at 9:55pm

what do you mean by second one??? I thought MMR was at 15 months and then not till 4years? Have I missed something?]]> Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:55:28 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=758927&title=measles-outbreaks#758927 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : oh no Emma*hugs*! E had his second...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=758239&title=measles-outbreaks#758239 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 28347
Posted: 27 August 2009 at 10:53am

oh no Emma*hugs*!

E had his second one done about two weeks ago.. she thinks the outbreak will be over before this bub is ready for the year old ones.. time will tell! ]]> Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:53:28 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=758239&title=measles-outbreaks#758239 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Emma, your poor little one. Wish...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=758225&title=measles-outbreaks#758225 Author: jazzy
Subject: 28347
Posted: 27 August 2009 at 10:43am

Emma, your poor little one.

Wish more people would immunise then we would not have to worry about the ones to young to get immunise.

The only way to wipe out these horrid disease is immunisation. ]]> Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:43:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=758225&title=measles-outbreaks#758225 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : aargghhh poor wee poppit hope...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=758046&title=measles-outbreaks#758046 Author: james
Subject: 28347
Posted: 27 August 2009 at 6:35am

aargghhh poor wee poppit hope shes feeling better soon ]]> Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:35:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=758046&title=measles-outbreaks#758046 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : oh Emma you&#039;re having a rough...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757969&title=measles-outbreaks#757969 Author: Bobbie
Subject: 28347
Posted: 26 August 2009 at 9:57pm

oh Emma you're having a rough time of everything at the moment ]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:57:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757969&title=measles-outbreaks#757969 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Emma ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757960&title=measles-outbreaks#757960 Author: lovingmummyhood
Subject: 28347
Posted: 26 August 2009 at 9:48pm

Emma]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:48:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757960&title=measles-outbreaks#757960 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Eek how scary Emma hopefully she...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757932&title=measles-outbreaks#757932 Author: Rachael21
Subject: 28347
Posted: 26 August 2009 at 9:14pm

Eek how scary Emma hopefully she doesn't get too sick.

We got called in last week for my kids second doses. The nurse told me it shouldn't be as bad as the first time as the body already has 'seen' the virus. My two have been sweet this time, not like the delayed reaction the first time.]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:14:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757932&title=measles-outbreaks#757932 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Oh the bitter irony of it all...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757922&title=measles-outbreaks#757922 Author: fire_engine
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 9:09pm

Oh the bitter irony of it all Me and Daniel will be taking a trip to the Doc on Friday to get the jab. Hope their bubble machine is working to distract him ]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:09:34 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757922&title=measles-outbreaks#757922 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : It&#039;s all very close to home...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757894&title=measles-outbreaks#757894 Author: Maya
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 8:51pm

It's all very close to home for me at the moment - lil miss was diagnosed with measles today . Thankfully she hasn't been too sick with it, but the nightmare has been trying to work out anyone she has been in contact with that hasn't been immunised.

My older three are immunised, but she isn't old enough.

The irony is that I've been working with Public Health for the past week to get this article together, and now my own baby has it!]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:51:34 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757894&title=measles-outbreaks#757894 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : I am surprised nothing has been...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757794&title=measles-outbreaks#757794 Author: jazzy
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 7:24pm

I am surprised nothing has been said on here before about this. The measles outbreak has been going on for a few weeks now.

DS8yrs brings home notices from school weekly saying that all child not vaccinated will be sent home from school if need be.
Same with kindy.

My kids have had all their vaccinations to date. I have done this for 2 reasons, 1 to keep them as safe as possible from these horrid diseases, & 2 to contribute to wiping them out.



Edited by jazzy]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:24:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757794&title=measles-outbreaks#757794 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : and here i was over 2 months late...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757668&title=measles-outbreaks#757668 Author: Bizzy
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 5:17pm

and here i was over 2 months late for edens 15 mth lot and only one reminder letter. ]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:17:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757668&title=measles-outbreaks#757668 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : we got letters for the boys telling...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757546&title=measles-outbreaks#757546 Author: Tastic
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 3:24pm

we got letters for the boys telling us the boys need there shot NOW! and no waiting EEK

will make it for friday afternoon I think after preschool]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:24:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757546&title=measles-outbreaks#757546 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Apparently it&#039;s perfectly...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757543&title=measles-outbreaks#757543 Author: Maya
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 3:24pm

Apparently it's perfectly fine to give it between 6-12 mths, and the recommendation is if you've had contact with it, then you should get bub immunised early. It's my understanding that the only reason it's scheduled for 15 mths is because the maternal measles antibodies passed to bub during pregnancy last a lot longer than other maternal antibodies, and if you give it while these antibodies are still present, it's not as effective as it thinks the body already has immunity. ]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:24:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757543&title=measles-outbreaks#757543 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Thanks Emma :) I live right next...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757524&title=measles-outbreaks#757524 Author: flakesitchyfeet
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 3:13pm

Thanks Emma :)
I live right next door to a kindy, in a little township where there has been an outbreak. They want me to give Hollie her first immunisation now, it's an awful spot to be in. We will do it, but it feels so wrong giving the shot to an 8month old when it's normally given at 15.]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:13:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757524&title=measles-outbreaks#757524 <![CDATA[Measles outbreaks : Hi all, I&#039;ve just interviewed...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757502&title=measles-outbreaks#757502 Author: Maya
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Posted: 26 August 2009 at 2:59pm

Hi all,
I've just interviewed a doctor from the Auckland Regional Public Health Service about the current measles outbreak in Auckland (there are also outbreaks in Otago and Christchurch). As a result, ARPHS have changed their immunisation advice, particularly concerning children aged between 12-15 mths. You can find more information here and on the ARPHS website, here.
Happy reading!
Emma and the team at OHbaby!]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:59:46 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28347&PID=757502&title=measles-outbreaks#757502