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H1N1 vaccine : I got this done as soon as I could...

Mon, 24 May 2010 11:22:34 +0000

Author: rachaels
Subject: 31241
Posted: 24�May�2010 at 11:22am

I got this done as soon as I could (and it was free for me). I had a positive test for swine flu last year and it wasn't nice, so decided I would help us both by getting jabbed this year before it had a chance to get its grubby paws on me again.

Had to wait until the second trimester though

H1N1 vaccine : I think you did the right thing...

Sat, 22 May 2010 16:52:18 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 22�May�2010 at 4:52pm

I think you did the right thing jessiesmum - its about making informed choices - you are the only one that has to be comfy with it
I just find it alarming that some mums only comment on the bad bits than CAN happen, and scare tactics never helped anyone
While I have Milla vaccinated at the cardiologists recommendation, if she hadnt of been starting kindy and I wasnt due to deliver in a hospital in july I may have flagged it for myself
Personal hygiene goes a long way, but unfortunately not everyone you come in to contact with is doing the same thing
After many years in pharmacy I think my antibodies are pretty stroppy - but being pregnant I had other things to think about

H1N1 vaccine : Maya22 - thanks for the link to...

Sat, 22 May 2010 15:31:37 +0000

Author: jessiesmum
Subject: 31241
Posted: 22�May�2010 at 3:31pm

Maya22 - thanks for the link to the BMJ article. That's what I'd been looking for.

What I meant was that you can't control people presenting to EC who are scared they have H1N1. And let's face it, who wouldn't be, especially if they are high-risk like pregnant women?! They get included in statistical "admissions" if they sit in EC long enough.

Raspberryjam - great that your daughter was fine after her vax. The reason I was asking about the stats is that the health professionals I spoke with (at the DHB I work for) weren't able to give me much to go on so I didn't feel comfortable choosing whether or not I should be vaccinated. If my daughter was still in daycare I'd definitely have her done.

H1N1 vaccine : My wee girl had her second shot...

Fri, 21 May 2010 22:26:41 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 21�May�2010 at 10:26pm

My wee girl had her second shot today and am pleased to say she is fine
I found talking to the doc so helpful and I suggest each of you take the time to do that rather than reading dr google
There is loads on there, and without the benefit of medical training some is very hard to interpret, and some is not as straight forward as oh they were pregnant or old or whatever

Its a personal choice which is obviously a heated topic and I would think if its that important, taking the time to talk to a health professional is worth it

I have had some experience with vaccines, have a heart child, nursed my mother dying of cancer and keep an eye on my 85 year old gran, but I still took the time to chat to my doc about the current vaccine and the risks associated with the condition I am in right now

H1N1 vaccine : jessiesmum wrote:Mumtooboys...

Fri, 21 May 2010 18:45:37 +0000

Author: maya22
Subject: 31241
Posted: 21�May�2010 at 6:45pm

jessiesmum wrote:

Mumtooboys - yes that's exactly my point!! Pregnant women are at higher risk of flu-related morbidity and mortality anyway. How can women make an "informed choice" without the information?

Patients admitted to the majority of NZ hospitals are diagnosis coded on discharge so these stats should be available if deaths are directly attributed to flu.. Of course there would probably an unnatural rise in admissions last year due to the fear-factor of H1N1.

Read this
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10633381
Or listen to this
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2010/03/19/1247f8624e02
here is the BMJ article
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/340/mar18_3/c1279

Oh and drs who admit to hospital tend to admit on the basis on how ill he person is... primarily because if you have a full hospital, you don't admit a patient because of a "fear-factor" but because the person needs medical care.

Edited by maya22

H1N1 vaccine : Mumtooboys - yes that's exactly...

Fri, 21 May 2010 18:19:58 +0000

Author: jessiesmum
Subject: 31241
Posted: 21�May�2010 at 6:19pm

Mumtooboys - yes that's exactly my point!! Pregnant women are at higher risk of flu-related morbidity and mortality anyway. How can women make an "informed choice" without the information?

Patients admitted to the majority of NZ hospitals are diagnosis coded on discharge so these stats should be available if deaths are directly attributed to flu.. Of course there would probably an unnatural rise in admissions last year due to the fear-factor of H1N1.

H1N1 vaccine : mumtooboys wrote:I read a study...

Fri, 21 May 2010 18:17:34 +0000

Author: maya22
Subject: 31241
Posted: 21�May�2010 at 6:17pm

mumtooboys wrote:

I read a study of nearly 1500 women admitted to a NY hospital last year, the non-pregnant women were not more likely to end up hospitalised BUT the percentage of those women of child bearing age who died from confirmed H1N1 infection and pregnant women who died from confirmed H1N1 were identical.

So comparison 1 = risk to pregnant women of severe illness with H1N1 vs standard flu = higher. My data. Last years admissions data of pregnant women compared to previous years in NZ/Aus.

And comparison 2 = risk of severe illness when pregnant vs non-pregnant = identical. Your data. Last years admissions data split into pregnant and non-pregnant. Presumably the figures are adjusted as the proportion of non-pregnant women wil be high?

Given that I AM pregnant, only comparison 1 is relevant. The presence of swine flu in the mix will have a bigger impact on pregnant women than we are used to in previous years with the seasonal flus. Hence the availability of the flu vaccine to pregnant women.

H1N1 vaccine : mumtooboys wrote: What I...

Fri, 21 May 2010 16:37:51 +0000

Author: maya22
Subject: 31241
Posted: 21�May�2010 at 4:37pm

mumtooboys wrote:

What I find confusing, if not all that surprising, is that last year anyone who had flu like symptoms was assumed to have H1N1 and now miraculously if you didn't have a confirmed case (how am I supposed to get it confirmed if they aren't testing for it?) you need a jab.

Last year the swine flu happened at the same time as our usual flu season. The first samples of the season to the lab showed the usual suspects, the std seasonal flu. It was over the next few months that it became obvious that the swine flu was overtaking the numbers of seasonal flu, to the point where the labs were swamped and it became policy to assume that most new cases were swine flu.

This year it is likely that the swine fl and seasonal flu will coexist again. The vaccine needs to happen before you are infected or there is no point, so just like you don't get tested for seasonal flu before getting the jab, you also don't get tested for swine flu. Maybe I have missed your point, but there is no conspiricy here, just tring to make the best use of health dollars.

Edited for spelling

Edited by maya22

H1N1 vaccine : I never said H1N1 was a bigger...

Fri, 21 May 2010 16:29:24 +0000

Author: maya22
Subject: 31241
Posted: 21�May�2010 at 4:29pm

I never said H1N1 was a bigger killer of pregnant women, I just said that there is a bigger risk to pregnant women for illness, and therefore serious illness, than seasonal flu, which tends to hit the elderly or frail.

Just ask the medical professionals in the front line who was affected hardest, the people working in the labs processing the samples, and the public health nurses. The people ending up in hospital weren't the same kind of people that are seen every year with std seasonal flus. That last years swine flu affected some pregnant women seriously (more than the std flu) isn't hidden, or unknown. Or madeup. It is a matter of public record.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10633381

This is why the seasonal vaccine this year tries to cover all bases, with std seasonal flu as well as last years swine flu.

The swine flu was a new strain of H1N1, the category of influenza viruses. This particular combination of influenza was novel and unique. The 1918 flu is similar, and offers a comparison, but not identical.

As with any of this, it is all to do with you personal assessment of risk in your own situation. There are many pregnant women for whom getting the vax is the right decision for them, and the opposite is true too.

Edited by maya22

H1N1 vaccine : But she wanted numbers comparing...

Fri, 21 May 2010 15:51:51 +0000

Author: mumtooboys
Subject: 31241
Posted: 21�May�2010 at 3:51pm

But she wanted numbers comparing seasonal flu deaths in pregnant women vs H1N1 deaths in pregnant women I am assuming so she could assess risk. I was just pointing out why she isn't likely to find them. I find it incredibly disingenuous to say it is a bigger killer of pregnant women than seasonal flu when I have nothing to compare it to. Comparing it to non-pregnant women is like comparing apples and oranges. I want to know if I get seasonal flu what are my risks and if I get H1N1 then what are my risks. I read a study of nearly 1500 women admitted to a NY hospital last year, the non-pregnant women were not more likely to end up hospitalised BUT the percentage of those women of child bearing age who died from confirmed H1N1 infection and pregnant women who died from confirmed H1N1 were identical.

H1N1 has been seen before, in 1978 I think it was, and can be traced back to the 1918 Spanish flu strain as well. What I find confusing, if not all that surprising, is that last year anyone who had flu like symptoms was assumed to have H1N1 and now miraculously if you didn't have a confirmed case (how am I supposed to get it confirmed if they aren't testing for it?) you need a jab.

H1N1 vaccine : pekay wrote: I can also say...

Fri, 21 May 2010 14:26:27 +0000

Author: maya22
Subject: 31241
Posted: 21�May�2010 at 2:26pm

pekay wrote:

I can also say that my DD who will be 10months next week has never had any form of sickness or cold, so definately don't think a flu vac is essential to simply protect your baby.

I bet it might be different this winter... Chances are you will be out and about more this winter, doing music, going to the library, hanging out with ther mums and children... It only takes one green-nosed child.... Once your baby is crawling they are so much more likely to catch stuff, those hands go everywhere and into the mouth. Our first winter was great, noone got sick, our second winter wth bubs was dire.... but living like a hermit did not appeal.

H1N1 vaccine : mumtooboys wrote: The reason...

Fri, 21 May 2010 14:20:58 +0000

Author: maya22
Subject: 31241
Posted: 21�May�2010 at 2:20pm

mumtooboys wrote:

The reason you probably can't find any stats for seasonal flu deaths relating to pregnant women is because they don't keep any! Never before have statistics been kept for pregnant women in relation to seasonal flu.

The standard seasonal flu strains that hit evey year do not usually hit the young, the healthy, the pregnant, but generally the elderly, the ill and the frail. There is an element of immunity within the commuity against these strains.

Stats for pregnant women probably weren't kept, because they were at a low risk (low numbers)compared to the elderly and frail..

This is where swine flu was different last year. Proportionally higher young and otherwise healthy people contracted swine flu - it was a never before seen flu, and so there was no community immunity to it. So everyone was susceptible.
The women who were pregnant had a higher rsk of being unwell, and of being seriously sick.

So swine flu is/was a different beast than normal flu, it meant that different groups of people were likely to get sick from it. and the more people you have getting sick, chances are the more people who will be seriously affected. A numbers game of probability and risk, not of absolutes.

H1N1 vaccine : jessiesmum wrote:Sorry I haven't...

Fri, 21 May 2010 11:13:55 +0000

Author: mumtooboys
Subject: 31241
Posted: 21�May�2010 at 11:13am

jessiesmum wrote:

Sorry I haven't read back through all the posts.. but has anyone found any source of information that shows that it has been trialled for safety in pregnancy? Or any stats that show the morbidity and mortality rates for H1N1 compared with seasonal flu in pg women in NZ?

I was considerng having it but haven't come up with any decent info, even Occ Health at the DHB I work for couldn't.. Last year I was advised not to have a flu vax due to the possibility of me being pg. So I've been a bit cautious about the sudden turn around.

In the UK they only just started a trial on small children in Oct last year and I see that they are being more cautious with littlies in Oz after the increase in febrile convulsions being reported.

It's such a tough call and hard not to get swept up in the media- hype.

The reason you probably can't find any stats for seasonal flu deaths relating to pregnant women is because they don't keep any! Never before have statistics been kept for pregnant women in relation to seasonal flu.

There has been ONE study done on the H1N1 vax, but it's results which are due to report this month haven't been released yet that I can find....but there are now some Phase 2 trials being conducted as well. More info on those can be found here. There is also a study here based strictly on NZ and Australian women if you want to have a read.

H1N1 vaccine : kelly- yes this years has the...

Thu, 20 May 2010 21:15:32 +0000

Author: ALittleLoopy
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 9:15pm

kelly- yes this years has the new updated flu strains AND h1N1 in it...i only got it this year BECAUSE im preggers, wont be paying for it otherwise in other years....

to add to my "work situation" comments earlier, my mum and brother also got it free through their work at crownlaw in wellington so some of you might be eligible through your work even if your not preg or already eligible for the free vax......

H1N1 vaccine : All flu viruses mutate each year,...

Thu, 20 May 2010 20:59:41 +0000

Author: Kellyfer
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 8:59pm

All flu viruses mutate each year, which is why you have to get a new vaccination each flu season. So yeah, swine flu was last year, but I think the worry is that the same strain will come back but possibly even worse, and immune to last year's vaccinations. The flu vac at the moment is supposed to cover both swine flu and regular influenza, as far as I'm aware.

H1N1 vaccine : pekay wrote:Infact...isn't...

Thu, 20 May 2010 20:34:03 +0000

Author: ALittleLoopy
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 8:34pm

pekay wrote:

Infact...isn't swine flu totally last year?

dunno lol but in that case wasnt measles and rubella and polio so forever ago...lol

H1N1 vaccine : Personal choice I guess - I am...

Thu, 20 May 2010 20:33:44 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 8:33pm

Personal choice I guess - I am surprised that no one has mentioned it to you Pekay - it is recommended for pregnant women

Midwifes arent general practitioners - i think thats why they cant say one way or the other - they dont get trained in 'common ailments' so to speak outside of pregnancy - well not to the extent of other physicians - and this is all quite new -

H1N1 vaccine : BAMN08 wrote:lol pekay! We...

Thu, 20 May 2010 20:32:35 +0000

Author: pekay
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 8:32pm

BAMN08 wrote:

lol pekay!

We don't really hang out with pigs... Infact...isn't swine flu totally last year?

Edited by pekay

H1N1 vaccine : lol pekay!

Thu, 20 May 2010 20:28:40 +0000

Author: ALittleLoopy
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 8:28pm

lol pekay!

H1N1 vaccine : Well, she didn't catch that...

Thu, 20 May 2010 20:27:26 +0000

Author: pekay
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 8:27pm

Well, she didn't catch that either

H1N1 vaccine : its not "the flu" im...

Thu, 20 May 2010 20:23:12 +0000

Author: ALittleLoopy
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 8:23pm

its not "the flu" im worried about its H1N1

H1N1 vaccine : jessiesmum wrote:My midwife...

Thu, 20 May 2010 20:21:52 +0000

Author: pekay
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 8:21pm

jessiesmum wrote:

My midwife was also unable to advise me as she didn't know enough about it. So it's a bit of a shocker that in the roll out of this vaccination the MOH have missed out a major group of health care providers.

Couldn't agree more. I have never had a jab, nor will I ever, but I am suprised that neither of the 2 MW's, obstetrician or GP that are looking after me in this pregnancy have ever mentioned something about a flu vac. I'm not bothered, it just really surprises me.
I can also say that my DD who will be 10months next week has never had any form of sickness or cold, so definately don't think a flu vac is essential to simply protect your baby.

H1N1 vaccine : oh just to add though i think...

Thu, 20 May 2010 16:30:37 +0000

Author: ALittleLoopy
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 4:30pm

oh just to add though i think iv said before....
Babies cant get the flu type vax until minimum 6 months old i think it is....can anyone confirm??

so if you have the vax then your baby also gets a small amount of the antibodies that protects them from birth until they can have their own jab which i liked the idea of...too many young babies struggle with pneumonia and stuff from bad colds and flus when they are so tiny and young

EDIT: just confirming that a baby under 6 months wont be vax and vaccine is only free until the end of June.

Edited by BAMN08

H1N1 vaccine : Maybe try the Immunisation Advisory...

Thu, 20 May 2010 16:10:15 +0000

Author: jessiesmum
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 4:10pm

Maybe try the Immunisation Advisory Centre 0800 IMMUNE. They might just advise about routine childhood vaccinations, I'm not sure.

My midwife was also unable to advise me as she didn't know enough about it. So it's a bit of a shocker that in the roll out of this vaccination the MOH have missed out a major group of health care providers.

Edited by jessiesmum

H1N1 vaccine : I had no side effects at all -...

Thu, 20 May 2010 14:22:22 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 2:22pm

I had no side effects at all - I expected some sort of tiredness etc but not even that - and no bump issues at all
It even hurt less than last year - obviously thats more about the person jabbing you though

And Bamn is right its not a 'live' vaccine so it cant give you the flu

The GP will recommend you get it if you chat to them, but Id rather listen to someone who has done this for years than Dr Google

H1N1 vaccine : yeah its June or July i heard...

Thu, 20 May 2010 14:00:59 +0000

Author: ALittleLoopy
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 2:00pm

yeah its June or July i heard that too, i didnt even go to my normal doc as they out of town and just went into a local and they booked me in for it an hour later with the nurse...

you have to wait 20mins after it to make sure there is no reaction but then your good...

i had NO effects other than a sore arm like any shot for about 2-3days...am 100% fine now....the other thing is they say that if you catch the flu straight after or within/around the two weeks after vax then your not yet immune to it as it takes two weeks for your body to develop the antibodies to it so people that claim they got sick off it are wrong, they just picked it up before it had a chance to work as the vax is fragmented so you cant get the flu from it

H1N1 vaccine : Scan is in 4 weeks time - mid...

Thu, 20 May 2010 13:52:07 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 1:52pm

Scan is in 4 weeks time - mid June
Have you had any side effects from the vaccine Raspberry Jam?
I guess if the vaccine is reasonably harmless then I'd be ok with having it. Not going to hurt to take the precaution then.

H1N1 vaccine : I think that the issue of catching...

Thu, 20 May 2010 13:48:28 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 1:48pm

I think that the issue of catching it is who have the people you work with been in contact with, you still have to do the shopping etc etc and yeah to air con - hideous

If you have a family doc - cant you just phone them for a chat?
I didnt say yes to getting one, it just so happened milla needed it so I spoke to the doc while I was there and ended up getting it at the same time

You dont say when your next scan is, but they are currently only subsidising this for a few months, cant recall if it ends june or july

Good luck with your choice

H1N1 vaccine : If I do decide to get vaccinated,...

Thu, 20 May 2010 13:24:23 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 1:24pm

If I do decide to get vaccinated, I'll wait till after my next scan make sure everything is ok. I'm more nervous of the vaccination than the flu.

H1N1 vaccine : C&J my DH works with only 10 people...

Thu, 20 May 2010 13:17:48 +0000

Author: ALittleLoopy
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 1:17pm

C&J my DH works with only 10 people in a call center and the building is air-con thats like a breeding ground for germ spreading, just takes one person to come to work incubating or having the flu and everyone gets a sniff

each to their own though, i just prefer the added protection for peace of mind while preg, couldnt live with myself if i got H1N1 and it killed charlotte

H1N1 vaccine : My MW wasn't very helpful...

Thu, 20 May 2010 13:06:29 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 1:06pm

My MW wasn't very helpful as they don't recommend having any kind of vaccination during pregnancy - she referred me to my GP but I don't want to make an appointment just for some info.

It seems there is differing opinions on the risks depending on who you talk to.
MW said there weren't any risks to the baby if I get the flu, the risk is with me.

DH and I both work within small isolated teams of less than 10 people, and we drive too and from work.

H1N1 vaccine : C&J its more the H1N1 that is...

Thu, 20 May 2010 12:56:38 +0000

Author: ALittleLoopy
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 12:56pm

C&J its more the H1N1 that is that problem in preg as it takes its toll on preg woman and bubs far more even with no underlying conditions...there have even been cases where it has even killed the mother and baby...those risks for me werent worth not getting the vax when my DH works in an air-con room that cycles air from sick people in the center all the time....i used to get sick constantly through winter when working in those environments and DH brings home the odd bug that i ALWAYS get....i am yet to get sick this winter and still have to wait another week before im considered "immune"...i only got it as i am preg and its free...i dont normally get it....

also note that they have an end date that you can get it too in JUNE i think, someone will have to comfirm that though

H1N1 vaccine : C&J, I asked my MW this morning...

Thu, 20 May 2010 12:29:28 +0000

Author: Kellyfer
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 12:29pm

C&J, I asked my MW this morning and while she's not allowed to say get it or don't get it, she said that the reason they are encouraging pregnant women to get it is because they are most at risk espescially with H1N1. So yes, the symptoms are much more severe for pregnant women and babies and they are more likely to die from it than any other group. I think the same would apply to regular flu, the symptoms are more severe, but probably not as extreme.

H1N1 vaccine : I havent,but then I always get...

Thu, 20 May 2010 11:55:07 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 11:55am

I havent,but then I always get a flu jab, but I asked that of the doctor - last year 17 pregnant women ended up in intensive care because if the respitory issues - with no underlying conditions - so would probably have coped if they hadnt of been expecting
This is due to lowered immune system and the extra pressure on the internal organs and general wellbeing of an expectant mum, so yes symtoms are more severe If you catch it

H1N1 vaccine : Has anyone had the flu during...

Thu, 20 May 2010 11:36:57 +0000

Author: caliandjack
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 11:36am

Has anyone had the flu during pregnancy? How did it effect you?
As this seems to be the main reason for taking the flu vacc, in pregnancy is the effect of the flu on the mother.

I've never had the flu only heavy colds which the vaccination can't help with.
Was wondering if the flu symptoms were actually more severe when preggers compared with not being pregnant.

H1N1 vaccine : I got it and was fine, and so...

Thu, 20 May 2010 11:08:18 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 20�May�2010 at 11:08am

I got it and was fine, and so did my little girl , we are due back for the second part of hers tomorrow

I spoke to the doc about the febrile convulsions thing - there were originally 3 different brands - the one that has cause the issues has been withdrawn

I asked loads of questions - as just reading the stats can mean nothing - and bascially I was comfy with it as there were far more issues for unborn babies and/or pregnant woman last year when they hadnt been immunised as opposed to those who had - and to date this year there had been so serious side effects reported for this group - well 4 weeks ago anyway

Just my 2 cents

H1N1 vaccine : Thanks - was being a lazy so and...

Mon, 17 May 2010 20:44:27 +0000

Author: jessiesmum
Subject: 31241
Posted: 17�May�2010 at 8:44pm

Thanks - was being a lazy so and so this morning...

H1N1 vaccine : I posted a link to a journal article...

Mon, 17 May 2010 14:43:41 +0000

Author: Lucky apple
Subject: 31241
Posted: 17�May�2010 at 2:43pm

I posted a link to a journal article published in october 2009 in Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology. I accessed it through Occ Health at my DHB and was also given it by a paediatrician.

Sorry - you'll have to trawl through the posts to find it though...It's a pdf file

H1N1 vaccine : Sorry I haven't read back...

Mon, 17 May 2010 10:00:29 +0000

Author: jessiesmum
Subject: 31241
Posted: 17�May�2010 at 10:00am

Sorry I haven't read back through all the posts.. but has anyone found any source of information that shows that it has been trialled for safety in pregnancy? Or any stats that show the morbidity and mortality rates for H1N1 compared with seasonal flu in pg women in NZ?

I was considerng having it but haven't come up with any decent info, even Occ Health at the DHB I work for couldn't.. Last year I was advised not to have a flu vax due to the possibility of me being pg. So I've been a bit cautious about the sudden turn around.

In the UK they only just started a trial on small children in Oct last year and I see that they are being more cautious with littlies in Oz after the increase in febrile convulsions being reported.

It's such a tough call and hard not to get swept up in the media- hype.

H1N1 vaccine : I didn't get the flu jab...

Mon, 17 May 2010 06:56:10 +0000

Author: Hopes
Subject: 31241
Posted: 17�May�2010 at 6:56am

I didn't get the flu jab - mostly because when they were offering them at work, I didn't have time to look into it, and last year when I'd been in the TWW and mentioned that to the nurse, he didn't give me one because he said they were reluctant to give them to pregnant ladies, and I'd better wait just in case.

Obviously, they've changed tune on that this year, because they have pregnant ladies on the posters advertising the jabs. I regret not making the time to look into it a bit now.

On the jabs / no jabs thing, I reckon the most important thing is to do your research properly. Googling random websites and listening to the friends Auntie who has strong opinions doesn't count! There's all sorts of rubbish out there on any topic, and anything can sound convincing until you ask what it's based on, and whether those facts are credible.

H1N1 vaccine : Just adding my view. I have been...

Sun, 16 May 2010 21:21:24 +0000

Author: Fox01
Subject: 31241
Posted: 16�May�2010 at 9:21pm

Just adding my view. I have been in 2 minds as to whether I get the vacc or not. Lots saying yes and some also saying no, husband and mum were both anti it. Mum had the vacc herself and both her and my sister felt crook for a few days after.

Had a chat to my MW last week about it and she was anti it also, didnt like the thought of any vaccs while pregnant, but advised me to talk to my GP obviously but her opinion was if im healthy (which I am) not one who usually gets lots of colds and flus, (im not) and just be careful and aware of the risk then to perhaps not get it. Husband and I both feel happier not getting it at this point, as I have never had the vacc before and aren't to keen on experimenting now.

Obviously just our thoughts and feelings on the subject but am happy with deciding not to at the moment. Am taking vitamins, dont have a public related job and will just be vigilant to try stay away from people I know are sick!

H1N1 vaccine : just thought id say i got it last...

Sun, 16 May 2010 20:11:33 +0000

Author: ALittleLoopy
Subject: 31241
Posted: 16�May�2010 at 8:11pm

just thought id say i got it last week other than a sore arm for 3 days its fine, the chances of getting H1N1 and it killing you and/or the baby outweigh the chances of the vaccine harming you IMO

plus it gives baby immunity from the flu till 6 months when they can have their own flu vaccine, i did it for her more than for me...vaxinating is always going to be a touchy subject but iv personally seen the difference in a person who was vaccinated against a disease that got it and the same disease to the non vaccinated and its scarey and lets just say I WILL ALWAYS VAX personally...

H1N1 vaccine : I too am firmly pro vaccination. That...

Sun, 16 May 2010 18:30:35 +0000

Author: Bobchannz
Subject: 31241
Posted: 16�May�2010 at 6:30pm

I too am firmly pro vaccination.

That being said, when you are pregnant it is worth considering everything that goes in to your body.

With H1N1 I read the information and thought, well, I will be pregnant during flu season, I have asthma and the consequences of H1N1 during pregnancy are much worse than any potential harms of the vaccine. I had it at 14 weeks. I also had the flu shot (I had two separate ones as I was working in a hospital at the time and that is how they were offered).

Given that H1N1 vaccine is being specifically targeted at pregnant women, I think all pregnant women should actively consider it - and look at the best possible sources of information.

I had the winter flu shot too. My husband did not have the winter flu shot, and is just recovering from 10 days of flu. I did not get it.

A particular word of warning, or food for thought. The majority of 'anti-immunisation' websites are just not that credible - in fact, you can if you look hard enough, find information on other websites explaining why a lot of the information lacks credibility. So if you are researching, research thoroughly - and discuss it with someone who understands it.

I personally trust the info that comes from the Ministry of Health on the merits of winter flu vaccination - it is not just a copy of 'drug company propaganda' but information that has been prepared to give the public the best possible chance of understanding the information - dozens of sources and people are involved.

Good luck in making your decisions people - I hope that you are given credible, unbiased information and that your decisions are made not on fear but in the confidence that you had good information in the first place.

H1N1 vaccine : I am firmly pro vaccination. It...

Sun, 16 May 2010 17:38:05 +0000

Author: amme_eilyk
Subject: 31241
Posted: 16�May�2010 at 5:38pm

I am firmly pro vaccination. It has benefits not only to yourself but to the whole community, as the higher the incidence of vaccination the less likely that anyone else in the community who are unvaccinated will get sick. In saying this everything in life has risks and it is those that you need to take into account for you when making your descision. Just being alive leaves you open to risk. I will get the vaccine, but I will consult with my midwife about the best time to get this. It may be after the first 13 weeks which is the period of greatest risk of mc in pg.

H1N1 vaccine : That one of the things I looked...

Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:42:28 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 24�April�2010 at 9:42am

That one of the things I looked at too Chiqa, its the only drug that will help.

H1N1 vaccine : I wasn't too sure about having...

Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:14:54 +0000

Author: chiqa
Subject: 31241
Posted: 24�April�2010 at 9:14am

I wasn't too sure about having it but I looked at all the information and decided it was definatly worth it for me. I'm a nail tech so I touch peoples hands all day long and although I'm very strict about hygene and sanitation people don't always stay at home when they're sick.
Also my pharmacist brother tells me that you apparently can't be given tamiflu when pregnant and this did factor into my decision.
I felt fine afterwards other than the sore shoulder.

H1N1 vaccine : The vaccine is fragmented - it...

Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:50:19 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 23�April�2010 at 10:50pm

The vaccine is fragmented - it cant give you the flu

H1N1 vaccine : I chose not to have it after doing...

Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:42:00 +0000

Author: Emmi_
Subject: 31241
Posted: 23�April�2010 at 10:42pm

I chose not to have it after doing my own research.
My MW (who recommended I got it, and had it herself) got sick, DH (who also had the shot) got sick, and I (touch wood) have been healthy.
It is everyones choice, and so long as you are happy with your own informed choice then thats all that matters

H1N1 vaccine : Marika wrote:I had the vaccination...

Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:09:50 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 23�April�2010 at 10:09pm

Marika wrote:

I had the vaccination last week... they tell pregnant women to get it as the risks to baby and mother if you get H1N1 are extreme and so the "risks" of the vaccine are minimal compared to those if you actually get the flu. The vaccine is not a live vaccine so it cant cause the flu and therefore isnt harmful. My specialist told me to get it- they wouldnt do that unless it was the best thing to do. I had minor side effects which lasted a couple of days... but still functioned fine. Pregnant women are far more likely to get the flu and if they do its NOT good news.

totally agree, i have had no issues, and actually feel better than i did last year
Its everyones choice though... but I am happy with mine!

H1N1 vaccine : I had the vaccination last week......

Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:02:00 +0000

Author: babybrain
Subject: 31241
Posted: 23�April�2010 at 7:02pm

I had the vaccination last week... they tell pregnant women to get it as the risks to baby and mother if you get H1N1 are extreme and so the "risks" of the vaccine are minimal compared to those if you actually get the flu. The vaccine is not a live vaccine so it cant cause the flu and therefore isnt harmful. My specialist told me to get it- they wouldnt do that unless it was the best thing to do. I had minor side effects which lasted a couple of days... but still functioned fine. Pregnant women are far more likely to get the flu and if they do its NOT good news.
Its everyones choice though... but I am happy with mine!

H1N1 vaccine : Hi Birdie I had the vaccination...

Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:31:03 +0000

Author: shellgirl
Subject: 31241
Posted: 24�March�2010 at 8:31pm

Hi Birdie

I had the vaccination last Monday and have noticed no ill effects (other than a sore arm for a few days). I have started feeling my babes first movements in the weekend since then too (isn't that a fantastic feeling!)

I did lots of reading up, getting advice before hand and it was the right choice for me. Good luck with making your decision.

H1N1 vaccine : I am trying to decide about having...

Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:56:08 +0000

Author: Birdie
Subject: 31241
Posted: 23�March�2010 at 9:56pm

I am trying to decide about having the flu vaccine, I usually refuse it and actually do not like the idea of vaccinations while pregnant but was just wondering which of you ladies have had it and have things gone ok?????

Thanks for all the great points of view that have all been posted it really makes you think about things

H1N1 vaccine : Emmecat wrote: Lots and LOTS...

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:13:53 +0000

Author: mumtooboys
Subject: 31241
Posted: 10�March�2010 at 8:13pm

Emmecat wrote:

Lots and LOTS of people just don't ask or worse, simply�go with the party line cos that's what 'everyone else does'

And I used to be one of them. I was very "entrentched" and my 'logic' was "well myself and everyone I knew had x vaccine and they are fine so it can't be that that bad." Then I had a friend point out some stuff to me and it was like "wait a minute, maybe I should look at this some more" so I did.

H1N1 vaccine : Earlier on some one mentioned...

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:34:19 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 10�March�2010 at 6:34pm

Earlier on some one mentioned good hygiene and not going out when their is flu about etc - which I totally agree with - but I dont have that choice so I choose to rely on modern medicine - Without it we would be hermits - I wouldnt judge anyones choice whether I agree with it or not - I just encourage people to research stuff as opposed to doing something just cause the jones did it

I certainly wouldnt go down the natural path Mellos - not our thing at all .I dont believe I am putting poison into my kids, but then sometimes 'life threatening' can be lifesaving

H1N1 vaccine : I actually think that if it hadnt...

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:37:05 +0000

Author: Emmi_
Subject: 31241
Posted: 10�March�2010 at 4:37pm

I actually think that if it hadnt been for OB I prob would have just gone with it, and not thought twice about it... But having read a variety of threads on here it has really opened my mind and taught me to question decisions that most of the time you dont even know it is a decision! So thank you to anyone whos ever posted :)
Although answering questions with questions really does my head in

H1N1 vaccine : Mumtooboys- yep you read me right...

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:27:49 +0000

Author: Emmecat
Subject: 31241
Posted: 10�March�2010 at 4:27pm

Mumtooboys- yep you read me right lol

It's an emotive topic from both sides and I can't for the life of me see why folk can't just take each others differing opinions and viva la difference!

Emmi- good for you for reading up on it hun. You'll know the right decision for you guys, and at least it'll be an informed one. Lots and LOTS of people just don't ask or worse, simply go with the party line cos that's what 'everyone else does', so I applaud you and anyone else who investigates for themselves

H1N1 vaccine : Sorry guys, I was trying to avoid...

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:28:48 +0000

Author: Emmi_
Subject: 31241
Posted: 10�March�2010 at 3:28pm

Sorry guys, I was trying to avoid the "to vax/to not vax' debate...
Thank you to everyone for their opinions. I have a bit of reading to do but am still leaning towards the "no thanks" option.

H1N1 vaccine : I wouldn't touch the stuff...

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:15:02 +0000

Author: Mellos
Subject: 31241
Posted: 10�March�2010 at 2:15pm

I wouldn't touch the stuff - but that goes for any vaccine. Make sure you read all the information you can and from all different parties. If you only read information published by the mainstream medicals then you are not getting the whole story. Feed yourself and your baby healthy, raw food, get rest and be happy - this is the way to health - not injections of poison!

H1N1 vaccine : I read it as an implication that...

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:01:41 +0000

Author: mumtooboys
Subject: 31241
Posted: 10�March�2010 at 2:01pm

I read it as an implication that non vaxers are hermits too....but hey, we can't all interpret the written word the same way can we? LOL So though it might not have been your intention, IMO it did come across that way iykwim?

I don't think Emmecat was being judgemental or anything, just pointing out that what works for one family might not work for another but that's something each family has to work out for themselves. But then I'm not her so have no idea what she's thinking........I am just taking a stab in the dark there.

We all protect our kids in the way we feel best, but we're not all going to go about it the same way and we aren't all going to assess risks in the same way and our views about what will 'protect' them will also vary. For US, this is a non-stop learning experience, it is a decision that is periodically being evaluated not one that we make and then 'forget' about. There aren't any blanket 'right' or 'wrong' answers here.....just what is 'right' or 'wrong' for each individual family.

Edited by mumtooboys

H1N1 vaccine : thats why I said ' it works...

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:32:04 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 10�March�2010 at 1:32pm

thats why I said ' it works for me'

I didnt imply you are a hermit if you dont vaccinate - but Im pregnant - I have a heart kid and have no choice but to visit places that are high risk for germs
and after 8 years as a dispensary technician I feel i know enough to make a personal decision about what does 'work for me'

H1N1 vaccine : Raspberryjam wrote:I see it...

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:22:21 +0000

Author: Emmecat
Subject: 31241
Posted: 10�March�2010 at 1:22pm

Raspberryjam wrote:

I see it as Im not just protecting my child or myself against an illness, but also the yukky people who dont practice good hygiene. I cant keep her 'safe' from bugs shes a kid and I dont want to be hermit so we get vaccinated against everything possible - works for me
Vaccines work in my opinion - dont see many people wandering around with polio these days
A fever or a bit of grouch is worth it

.....and that's great that you're happy with that decision, but without getting into a huge debate (cos there's other threads on the topic), things like polio are no longer around due to a *number* of factors- not just immunisation

Oh and we're not hermits just cos we don't vaccinate...and hopefully all your kids get from immunistaion *is* a fever or a grouch

H1N1 vaccine : I see it as Im not just protecting...

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:03:30 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 10�March�2010 at 1:03pm

I see it as Im not just protecting my child or myself against an illness, but also the yukky people who dont practice good hygiene. I cant keep her 'safe' from bugs shes a kid and I dont want to be hermit so we get vaccinated against everything possible - works for me
Vaccines work in my opinion - dont see many people wandering around with polio these days
A fever or a bit of grouch is worth it

H1N1 vaccine : lostAmber wrote:I will get...

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:48:13 +0000

Author: Emmecat
Subject: 31241
Posted: 10�March�2010 at 11:48am

lostAmber wrote:

I will get it done.

Figure it's just like all other vaccinations, you wouldn't not get your kids done for rubella or anything like that, so why wouldn't you get this done for yourself?

Lots of us *don't* get our kids vaccinated against this or other things tho. Each vaccination is different and worth considering on it's own merits, not lumped in together with the assumption because we're told from 'on high' that they're safe that they actually are. It's just my opinion. I'm a non vaxxing parent, didn't get the flu shot when I was pg and wouldn't touch it with a pole either However I'm certainly not against all vaccinations.... I would like it very much if some of the kids ones were available seperately but that's another thread...lol

H1N1 vaccine : Emmi_ wrote:the more you know...

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:54:16 +0000

Author: mumtooboys
Subject: 31241
Posted: 09�March�2010 at 11:54pm

Emmi_ wrote:

the more you know the more you realise you don't know! Argh!

Kinda scary that isn't it? LOL I swear for every ONE question I had before I started researching and found an 'answer' to......I had 5 or more new questions that needed answering.

Someone else here, someone may be able to recall who it was that said it, said that fear is never the ONLY reason to do or not do something and I think it's spot on. DS1 was vaccinated because I was so afraid that he'd catch something and get really sick or die, irrational maybe, but it was how I felt. Now that I know a bit more about the whole area........well I am still afraid, but we don't let that fear allow us to make decisions that might not be in our kids best interest iykwim?

I reckon that the 'truth' about vaccines is somewhere in the middle of the two 'extremes'.

H1N1 vaccine : thanks everyone for the responses...

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:14:30 +0000

Author: Emmi_
Subject: 31241
Posted: 09�March�2010 at 7:14pm

thanks everyone for the responses so far. I'm at work tonight till tomorrow afternoon, so will check out the links posted then.
I don't get the flu jab, I like to have my immune system do what its designed to do, and also like the fact that when ever I get sick (which is hardly ever) that I'm making antibodies to pass on to my babies.
I guess it would be good to know what are the chances of getting sick, the chance the vaccine would be of benefit to me if I did get sick, what the options are for treatment if I did get sick and whether it would change if I caught it early or not.
I so wish I did what I was told instead of making my own mind up, would make life (esp DH's!) so much easier, the more you know the more you realise you don't know! Argh!

H1N1 vaccine : (I was kidding! I won't stop...

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:05:31 +0000

Author: Lucky apple
Subject: 31241
Posted: 09�March�2010 at 7:05pm

(I was kidding! I won't stop thinking - don't worry!!)

H1N1 vaccine : Sally wrote: ...maybe the best...

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:48:09 +0000

Author: Booski
Subject: 31241
Posted: 09�March�2010 at 6:48pm

Sally wrote:

...maybe the best thing is to stop thinking?????

Definitely don't do that Sally!! This is only the first of many decisions you'll be best to be well read on rather than just going with the status quo 'just because'. I think its great that you've questioned it and done heaps of research - even if its doing your preggie head in

For me personally I won't be getting that jab. I started to question vaccinations years ago while doing my degree, from my micro and genetics background I've questioned the need for a flu vaccine for people like myself who are generally fit and healthy, have no immunity complications, eat a healthy balanced diet and live in good conditions. Admittedly now I'm pregnant I qualify as having an immunity compliication, but many feel and are healthier while pregnant than when they aren't - our bodies are very complicated! - and so only you as an individual can know how you feel about that.

Also re: the seasonal flu killing more every year than the swine flu - yes thats absolutely true, but those that die are usually immune compromised or the elderly. Swine flu mostly affects healthy adults, so thats why it was getting a lot of press.

Oh and it was claimed swine flu was the dominant strain last year....but they stopped testing, so I really don't know how that can accurately be claimed. Especially given Influenza A has identical symptoms.....

ETA: atrotcious preggy typing!

Edited by Booski

H1N1 vaccine : I've still not decided if...

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:11:04 +0000

Author: Lucky apple
Subject: 31241
Posted: 09�March�2010 at 4:11pm

I've still not decided if I'm going to get it or not...

Though, after initially starting this thread with little knowledge about the vaccine, I have developed an opinion that it is safe (and that is a mind change from my original "unsureness" about this) - My opinion has been built up by reading lots of peer reviewed journal articles & after having discussion with some health professionals who were both pro & anti it. I think my understanding of it is best summed up in this peer reviewed article published in Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology.

http://www.influenza.org.nz/site_resources/Influenza/Influenza%202010/Safety_of_influenza_vaccination_during_pregnancy.pdf

Basically, one line of thought is that the consequences of having H1N1 is worse than the consequences of having the vaccine - and so what needs to be evaluated is which risk you want to take - ie chance that you'll get swine flu or not...
- if you do get it, you'll be treated with antivirals and antibiotics which again, is ANOTHER decision about what to put into your body (but perhaps an easier decision as it can be life threatening without the treatment)....but then again, you might not get it!! And you may like to manage the risk in other ways (like the ways Miss Cheeky said - staying away from crowds etc) AND - if you do get the vaccine, you might not know if you had have been going to get H1N1...and so, it's hard to know if the vaccine was helpful or not for a specific individual!

Man...a conundrum and a half...very complex when you start thinking about it!!!! And...after all of that...I've still not made up my mind!!!

...maybe the best thing is to stop thinking?????

H1N1 vaccine : Apparently out of all the flu...

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:04:02 +0000

Author: kellie
Subject: 31241
Posted: 09�March�2010 at 4:04pm

Apparently out of all the flu cases last year it was estimated that 70-85% were swine flu, so most people should have some antibodies.

Emmi_
If you husband is insisting that you get it and won't get it himself, just let him know that just because you are getting the jab it doesn't necessarily mean that you will become immune. So if he ends up getting swine flu, he can still pass it on to you!

H1N1 vaccine : We won't be getting it either....

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:45:46 +0000

Author: Guests
Subject: 31241
Posted: 09�March�2010 at 2:45pm

We won't be getting it either. I was preggie last winter when swine flu was about. I just stayed away from really crowded places for a while, and avoided sick people. WIll do the same this year and just make sure we are vigilent about handwashing etc.

H1N1 vaccine : I'm not getting it done either....

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:14:06 +0000

Author: X
Subject: 31241
Posted: 09�March�2010 at 2:14pm

I'm not getting it done either. I don't think there's enough evidence either way to suggest it's safe or unsafe, so personally I'm just not going there. I don't want to take any risks. I have a friend in Sydney who had a MC after getting the vaccine last year. Of course there's no way of saying the two were linked, but her baby died the same time she had the shot-funny coincidence? Could be, but she'll forever wonder.

If I do get flu obviously I'll be straight to the GP for treatment.

Besides I also think we had the swine flu last year-no way of knowing because we were never tested, but DH, DS & myself had the flu around teh time of the "outbreak" so there's a good chance we have had it.

I think it's just a personal choice, but for me-I'm staying away from it.

H1N1 vaccine : Wouldn't touch this vaccine...

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:31:25 +0000

Author: mumtooboys
Subject: 31241
Posted: 09�March�2010 at 12:31pm

Wouldn't touch this vaccine with a barge pole.

Making an informed decision does require looking at BOTH sides of the 'debate'....problem is that it takes ages to do. LOL I am more than 18 months into my research into ALL vaccines and there is still soooo much stuff that I don't know.

The thing that bugs me is that the language used, from both sides at times, is quite emotive and scary. But when someone says that if my kid gets x disease and is going to die and/or suffer permanent brain damage....well I have to wonder why they feel the need to 'sell' me so much in regards to the vaccine, especially based on what I have learned not only about the immune system and how it works but on the actual diseases involved as well.

Personally I am going with my gut here, besides the fact am pretty sure we had H1N1 last year, and my gut says NO. I'm not pregnant but even if I was I still wouldn't have it. As someone else mentioned the best way to 'protect' yourself against flu is to be vigilant about hygiene and if you or someone you know is unwell then stay at home as disease can't spread if it has no one to spread to.

H1N1 vaccine : Me and my girl will be getting...

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:26:51 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 09�March�2010 at 11:26am

Me and my girl will be getting it as soon as I get over this head cold. I havent been sick for over 5 years, so to me that says my immune system needs some help right now

H1N1 vaccine : I will get it done. Figure...

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:19:41 +0000

Author: lostAmber
Subject: 31241
Posted: 09�March�2010 at 11:19am

I will get it done.

Figure it's just like all other vaccinations, you wouldn't not get your kids done for rubella or anything like that, so why wouldn't you get this done for yourself?

H1N1 vaccine : I was at my MW appointment this...

Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:39:27 +0000

Author: Emmi_
Subject: 31241
Posted: 09�March�2010 at 10:39am

I was at my MW appointment this morning, and she "advised" I get the jab... I was just wondering what others ended up doing / thinking about this topic? I still would prefer not to get it done, but DH wants me to (his reason being your MW said you should do it.) She also suggested that he get it done, but he isnt going to.
So yeah, just wondering what people were thinking now? If any one has changed their minds? Had it done? Heard anything else about it?
TIA

H1N1 vaccine : http://www.sciencenews.org/vie...

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:11:55 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 05�February�2010 at 12:11pm

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49017/title/Science_%2B_the_Public__H1N1_vaccine_Counting_side_effects

the first vaccine is already being distributed - jurys out really - so i guess we just wait and see now

Edited by Raspberryjam

H1N1 vaccine : From what I can gather the swine...

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:09:58 +0000

Author: kellie
Subject: 31241
Posted: 05�February�2010 at 12:09pm

From what I can gather the swine flu vaccine has been classed at C. This is what that means:
"Pregnancy Category C Animal reproduction studies have shown an adverse effect on the fetus and there are no adequate and well-controlled studies in humans, but potential benefits may warrant use of the drug in pregnant women despite potential risks."

Hehe cuppatea, doesn't the mind boggle!

H1N1 vaccine : Most pregnant women won't...

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:04:25 +0000

Author: cuppatea
Subject: 31241
Posted: 05�February�2010 at 12:04pm

Most pregnant women won't eat reheated chicken because of the miniscule risk there is of getting food poisoning from it and yet will go ahead and get an injection of an untested vaccine

H1N1 vaccine : Raspberryjam wrote:The facts...

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:00:38 +0000

Author: kellie
Subject: 31241
Posted: 05�February�2010 at 12:00pm

Raspberryjam wrote:

The facts dont scare me at all Kellie, because I make informed decisions about what my family is exposed to within my control, but I think those interested in having or not having the vacines need to research both sides of the story, not just an outbreak or a stuff up that happened yonks ago.

Unfortunately as yet there is no had and fast evidence to indicate pregnant mums or unborn children will suffer from this.

I'm glad they don't scare you, that wasn't my intention. As you say, everyone has the right to an informed decision and I was merely putting more valid information out there.

H1N1 vaccine : Raspberryjam wrote:http://w...

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:58:48 +0000

Author: kellie
Subject: 31241
Posted: 05�February�2010 at 11:58am

Raspberryjam wrote:

http://www.nih.gov/news/health/sep2009/niaid-09.htm

Here is some info on the testing for 2009 H1N1 in pregnant women - but its not due to be completed til july 2010

Wow, I can't believe someone would willingly test an unknown vaccine while pregnant. I wonder how much money they were offered...

Interesting to see that they are still stating it is safe for pregnant women before any conclusive trial results...

H1N1 vaccine : The facts dont scare me at all...

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:57:01 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 05�February�2010 at 11:57am

The facts dont scare me at all Kellie, because I make informed decisions about what my family is exposed to within my control, but I think those interested in having or not having the vacines need to research both sides of the story, not just an outbreak or a stuff up that happened yonks ago.

Unfortunately as yet there is no had and fast evidence to indicate pregnant mums or unborn children will suffer from this.

H1N1 vaccine : Raspberryjam wrote:It dosent...

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:44:01 +0000

Author: kellie
Subject: 31241
Posted: 05�February�2010 at 11:44am

Raspberryjam wrote:

It dosent bypass your immune system, when your body comes into contact with something - via blood or otherwise it triggers an immune response, which in turn sends out histamine or antibodies and such the like to attempt to combat a foreign organism.

We have come a long way since 1976 and thalidomide. The regulations have evolved and reporting is much tighter.

You are quiet right that it hasnt been tested, or as yet no stats have been given as such, but there are so many reasons for and against just offering the scary bits isnt really fair.

Your natural immune system comprises of the ears, nose and throat. Of course if you inject something into your bloodstream your immune system will be shocked into action, however it is far less effective. This is why nasal and oral vaccinations are now being studied. I did not mean to offer the scary bits, everything I stated was fact, and if the facts scare you that is hardly my fault.

H1N1 vaccine : http://www.nih.gov/news/health/sep2009/niaid-09.htm Here...

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:39:06 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 05�February�2010 at 11:39am

http://www.nih.gov/news/health/sep2009/niaid-09.htm

Here is some info on the testing for 2009 H1N1 in pregnant women - but its not due to be completed til july 2010

H1N1 vaccine : It dosent bypass your immune system,...

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:35:28 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 05�February�2010 at 11:35am

It dosent bypass your immune system, when your body comes into contact with something - via blood or otherwise it triggers an immune response, which in turn sends out histamine or antibodies and such the like to attempt to combat a foreign organism.

We have come a long way since 1976 and thalidomide. The regulations have evolved and reporting is much tighter.

You are quiet right that it hasnt been tested, or as yet no stats have been given as such, but there are so many reasons for and against just offering the scary bits isnt really fair.

ps - no vaccine promises to stop a virus - and even if it mutates, vaccines should stil reduce the severity of the symptoms

Edited by Raspberryjam

H1N1 vaccine : Raspberryjam wrote: lostAmber...

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:51:06 +0000

Author: kellie
Subject: 31241
Posted: 05�February�2010 at 10:51am

Raspberryjam wrote:

lostAmber wrote:

If it is offered to pregnant people first, why would it not be safe for those pregnant?

yip agree

Our immune systems are not so fantastic that they can deal with any old foreign organsim

What do you think the vaccine is? It is swine flu that is delivered by bypassing your natural immune system and going directly into your blood......

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H1N1 vaccine : All of those wanting to get it,...

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:49:48 +0000

Author: kellie
Subject: 31241
Posted: 05�February�2010 at 10:49am

All of those wanting to get it, I will just point this out.

It has not been tested on pregnant women AT ALL. Not a single trial has ever, or will ever be done on pregnant women. No drug trials have ever been done on pregnant women after the Thalidomide tragedy

After the 1976 swine flu vaccine incident, I personally would not touch it.
swine flu 1976

Everyone I know who has had the flu jab has ended up getting sicker then they ever have from catching the flu normally. I think you will find that is the consensus everywhere.
Also this is interesting: last year 70% of all flu cases were deemed to be swine flu, not normal influenza. There were 20 deaths. Seasonal influenza on average results in 450 deaths per year.

Forgot to add: There was a HUGE rush to roll this vaccine out, alot of scheduled trials were skipped.

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H1N1 vaccine : I won't be getting the jab,...

Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:58:42 +0000

Author: troutpout
Subject: 31241
Posted: 04�February�2010 at 2:58pm

I won't be getting the jab, and I work in healthcare where I'm more likely to be exposed! I've not had swine flu, but 2 yrs ago I got a flu jab, and a week later I got the most horrible bout of flu I've ever had in my life!! There's no real conclusive proof that the vaccine prevents contraction of the virus, though it may lower your risk.
The best thing to avoid getting flu is good infection control! Wash your hands heaps, and try not to let people sneeze on you. If you use things like public transport, or work in a hospital like me, carry some alcohol gel around with you x

H1N1 vaccine : Thanks Rj, you're a wealth...

Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:04:16 +0000

Author: lostAmber
Subject: 31241
Posted: 04�February�2010 at 1:04pm

Thanks Rj, you're a wealth of knowledge m'dear!

H1N1 vaccine : Hi again on this subject - I just...

Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:22:51 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 04�February�2010 at 12:22pm

Hi again on this subject - I just spoke to my daughters cardiac specialist about this vaccine - and she has advised that if you get the first H1N1 in feb you have to go on to get all the booster shots too, or you can wait for the flu vaccine in march and get just the one - which has every thing in it - which Im far more into - since the most of that hasbeen tested and there will be more info to suggest its safety as I am aware some are concerned about this

H1N1 vaccine : I wouldn't get it, I don't...

Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:18:51 +0000

Author: cuppatea
Subject: 31241
Posted: 30�January�2010 at 11:18am

I wouldn't get it, I don't believe it is has been properly tested at all.

If you wouldn't get a flu jab whilst pregnant then there really is no point to getting the swine flu jab when pregnant. The risks from swine flu are no greater than any other flu, it's just had more publicity which is pretty handy for those making vaccines.

H1N1 vaccine : My understanding is that ANY FLU...

Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:39:51 +0000

Author: Peanut
Subject: 31241
Posted: 30�January�2010 at 10:39am

My understanding is that ANY FLU is of risk to pregnant woman and their babies due to the body aleady being under stress of growing a baby. Any high temperatures etc that a mother gets while pregnant will cause huge problems so you shouldn't just focus on swine flu if that is your concern.

Immunity is a funny thing and often people don't develop immunity and it doesn't matter how they got the bug (e.g vaccine or natural).

NZ's swine flu last year was considered an outbreak so people have had exposure to it so that is worth considering also.

I am a school teacher and taught last year while pregnant with my second. During the time I was there we had confrimed cases of swine flu and measles. I was fine and never developed a sympton so its worth considering what youw ill be doing in the time that you are pregnant and with an under 6 month old and it maybe that you will avoid crowds of people anyway so you may choose not to have the vaccine.

I personally would not get vaccinated while pregnant with a new vaccine.

H1N1 vaccine : Hmm the thing is, if you got swine...

Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:28:12 +0000

Author: Kalimirella
Subject: 31241
Posted: 30�January�2010 at 10:28am

Hmm the thing is, if you got swine flu last year, (I did but only a mild case) just b4 getting pregnant doesn't that mean you are likely to still be immune? Then again Flus in general tend to mutate quite fast :P

H1N1 vaccine : Here are 2 really good websites...

Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:51:14 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 30�January�2010 at 9:51am

Here are 2 really good websites if any one wants a look

http://www.influenza.org.nz/?t=889

http://www.moh.govt.nz/moh.nsf/indexmh/influenza-a-h1n1-questions#vaccine

H1N1 vaccine : I think that's right Emmi...

Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:50:42 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 30�January�2010 at 8:50am

[QUOTE=Rachel1982] I think that's right Emmi - the overriding benefit of a mum having the vaccine is that she (hopefully) won't get sick, and therefore have a fever/dehydration etc.
No one has immunity to the swine flu and it is, like others have said, a different strain to the usual seasonal flu. If you normally get the seasonal flu jab and then end up with the flu its usually a different strain virus from the one you've been immunised against.

Thats true a bit - you may still get a bit sicky but not with the same severity

I thought it was mainly that when you are pregnant you have reduced lung capacity etc and so are more at risk of complications causing more effects.

Thats true too -a bit - more that your body is already under strain and working real hard on growing a babe - but I think that it would be hard on your breathing too if you had a heaving chest infection for sure

I have had lots of experience talking about this stuff, and looked after my mum, nana and baby - but since becoming a mum myself I look into this stuff even further - but I really think you have to research it - talk to your doctor or pharmacist, especially if you have any risk factors besides being pregnant or with your children before you make a call.
Its a personal thing and and you just have to do what sits right in your own mind

H1N1 vaccine : I thought it was mainly that when...

Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:31:17 +0000

Author: peanut butter
Subject: 31241
Posted: 30�January�2010 at 8:31am

I thought it was mainly that when you are pregnant you have reduced lung capacity etc and so are more at risk of complications causing more effects.

H1N1 vaccine : No one has immunity to the swine...

Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:43:04 +0000

Author: WestiesGirl
Subject: 31241
Posted: 30�January�2010 at 1:43am

No one has immunity to the swine flu and it is, like others have said, a different strain to the usual seasonal flu. If you normally get the seasonal flu jab and then end up with the flu its usually a different strain virus from the one you've been immunised against.

We were advised about the swine flu while I was pg at our Antenatal classes. Correct me if Im wrong, I understand it that if you get the Swine Flu while pregnant it can cross the placenta which in turn can cause fetal implications.

H1N1 vaccine : I think that's right Emmi...

Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:50:59 +0000

Author: Rachel1982
Subject: 31241
Posted: 29�January�2010 at 11:50pm

I think that's right Emmi - the overriding benefit of a mum having the vaccine is that she (hopefully) won't get sick, and therefore have a fever/dehydration etc.

I think it's more that the symptoms of that particular flu are more dangerous for a pregnant lady/her baby than normal flu, but then flus manifest themselves differently in different people anyway.

H1N1 vaccine : I dont think I will. I dont get...

Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:13:11 +0000

Author: Emmi_
Subject: 31241
Posted: 29�January�2010 at 11:13pm

I dont think I will. I dont get flu shots either.
I managed to avoid swine flu last season (and I actively hunted it out, I wanted a week off work!) infact I dont seem to get more than a sniffle at the worst of the flu season. (I wont be hunting it out this season though)
I guess I just dont know enough about it, and I am not in a high risk job, and I dont like the idea of it. So I wont be getting it (just my opinion though, each to their own).
Also if you do get it, you dont pass the antibodies onto bubs do you? You actaully need to have caught a disease to pass on the antibodies to bubs, so other flu shots etc although they stopped you from getting sick the benefits wont be passed on. (is that right?)

H1N1 vaccine : lostAmber wrote:If it is offered...

Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:39:18 +0000

Author: Raspberryjam
Subject: 31241
Posted: 29�January�2010 at 9:39pm

lostAmber wrote:

If it is offered to pregnant people first, why would it not be safe for those pregnant?

yip agree

Our immune systems are not so fantastic that they can deal with any old foreign organsim
Of course the severity of the sypmtoms are different depending on loads of different things, being pregnant unfortunately makes you more likely to get hit hard with a nasty you may easily fight off when not expecting.
We cant have anti bodies to new strains of virus naturally , so I will be lining up for a jab

H1N1 vaccine : Thanks for posting that. I was...

Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:36:14 +0000

Author: lostAmber
Subject: 31241
Posted: 29�January�2010 at 7:36pm

Thanks for posting that. I was wondering if I could wait until the second trimester- sounds like that would fit in perfectly for me.