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OHbaby! Forums : two different car crashes https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sun, 05 Apr 2026 01:16:30 +0000 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 14:26:25 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.05 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=38611 <![CDATA[OHbaby! Forums]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Can I just say that the cultural...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1301741&title=two-different-car-crashes#1301741 Author: HoneybunsMa
Subject: 38611
Posted: 07 April 2011 at 2:26pm

Can I just say that the cultural thing gets to me. I hate culture being used as a reason, and it being generalised (and this comes from a part maori with a half samoan daughter).

I do know in Samoa when I went over it was the norm to nurse children/infants this was about 7years ago so things may have changed?

As for when they are here. Some PI may not go to a wellchild provider for a very long time because they are unaware of them being there and free. It probably wouldn't be mentioned to them unless they went to a Dr and that probably only happens when an arm is falling off (sarcasm in case someone gets upset). As alot of families are probably stay at home mums, who may go to a playgroup, but more then likely to a church. And there are alot of things in the cultures that just aren't discussed and this subject probably doesn't come up in everyday conversation. Not making excuses as I hate excuses like that just explaining one possible situation as to why they may not have been educated.

As for DP and I we wouldn't DREAM of taking DD in a car without a restraint, in saying that I have on two occasions one being when my car broke down on a remote road just her and I and we were being towed by a van she sat with me, I was in tears, stressed, scared, frustrated, alone, you know how that would feel, we got in the tow truck and she went in her car seat.

While on a family holiday recently my 3yr nephew wasn't restrained oneday as they wanted to use only the van to travel, while I didn't say anything it wasn't my choice nor my child. I ensured my child was properly restrained in her carseat at all times. Even to the point before we left to travel I made them wait till I had untwisted her straps.

It comes down to the choice of the person, if you don't want to restrain your child so that another person can have a seat then you won't. Some people its convenience rather then doing 2trips when you only need one.

There are responsible PI and Maori out there, I know alot!

And I turned DD somewhere between 6-7 months because she is a nosey little bugger and had actually outgrown the weight for RF and was twisting and hurting her neck trying to see us. If I had known about ERF then I probably would have considered it if we were in the financial position to purchase a seat that did that, as it was we never had DD in a capsule as we couldn't afford to buy that then a few months later buy a convertible, and infact we still aren't in a position to do that. I had a mirror too when DD was RF and that didn't help her seeing us when we were talking. ]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2011 14:26:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1301741&title=two-different-car-crashes#1301741 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : nathansmummy wrote:I wonder...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1301260&title=two-different-car-crashes#1301260 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 38611
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 9:25pm

nathansmummy wrote:

I wonder if cost is one of the barriers - which I'm assuming is why Waitakere made them "free" with a $25 plunket donation.

Nope the reason its a 'donation' is cause the seats are provided by the Waitakere and Portage Licensing Trusts via Plunket as they are a charitable trust they don't receive any 'payment'.

We are very lucky to receive these, its paid for by the alcoholics and gamblers in the city.]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 21:25:09 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1301260&title=two-different-car-crashes#1301260 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Bah Edited by Chickielou ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1301190&title=two-different-car-crashes#1301190 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 8:38pm

Bah

Edited by Chickielou]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 20:38:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1301190&title=two-different-car-crashes#1301190 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Chickielou wrote: freckle...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1301169&title=two-different-car-crashes#1301169 Author: lizzle
Subject: 38611
Posted: 06 April 2011 at 8:26pm

Chickielou wrote:

freckle wrote:

I agree Nathansmummy and my guess would be that they are less likely to access services in which they would be educated about such issues - possibly due to cultural barriers (e.g. plunket, antinatal classes etc)

yip. i wasn't talking about you. sensitive much? or perhaps you could do what Nathansmummy did - simply clarify her position in a rational manner. seriously, whenever anyone seems to disagree with someone, or say something negative, you seem to think they are talking about you. i wasn't - i am now though. relax lady.

Edited by lizzle]]> Wed, 06 Apr 2011 20:26:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1301169&title=two-different-car-crashes#1301169 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : ha ha and Im actually not fat...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1300191&title=two-different-car-crashes#1300191 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 05 April 2011 at 4:00pm

ha ha and Im actually not fat any more!
T think some of the other posers on here call me fats and it dosen't bother me, lol.
Yeah and trying to find the best way to get things across is a challenge too, but we find new things all the time, so fingers crossed and all that!]]> Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:00:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1300191&title=two-different-car-crashes#1300191 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Well accepting of the fact that...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1300156&title=two-different-car-crashes#1300156 Author: nathansmummy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 05 April 2011 at 3:30pm

Well accepting of the fact that there is a different way of doing things than our way of doing things. But finding out the best way to communicate the same message to a different community I think Fattarts? I kind of feel bad calling you Fat tarts! I'm not used to calling someone fat or a tart lol!]]> Tue, 05 Apr 2011 15:30:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1300156&title=two-different-car-crashes#1300156 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : nathansmummy wrote:Just to...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299911&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299911 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 05 April 2011 at 10:41am

nathansmummy wrote:

Just to clarify - when I said cultural barriers, I meant a system that just didn't make it accessible to cultures or not culturally appropriate. Stats are there - which is why there is a cultural alternative to Plunket (Well Child Service).

Yep I got what you meant.

One of which I am employed with..they are known as "Tamariki Ora/Wellchild" providers.

There will be some kind of stats somewhere and we are required to keep them, but nothing I can readil;y access..and really, I don't need too!

Sometimes its a money thing, but more often than not its just not a "priorty", which is horrifying to those of us it is a norm (carseats), but I have learnt very fast there are plenty of things in other cultures that are very different to ours and we have to be..accepting, I guess.]]> Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:41:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299911&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299911 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Just to clarify - when I said...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299793&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299793 Author: nathansmummy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 05 April 2011 at 8:51am

Just to clarify - when I said cultural barriers, I meant a system that just didn't make it accessible to cultures or not culturally appropriate. Stats are there - which is why there is a cultural alternative to Plunket (Well Child Service).]]> Tue, 05 Apr 2011 08:51:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299793&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299793 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : freckle wrote:I agree Nathansmummy...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299734&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299734 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 05 April 2011 at 8:03am

I am only following on what this person said about it being cultural, so please dont put words into my mouth, esp about something this sensitive, I have never once said that its solely due to cultural, in fact I was asking myself about Stats to do with other things.........

I give up!!!! too many word twisters

Edited by Chickielou]]> Tue, 05 Apr 2011 08:03:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299734&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299734 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : yes, i would be veeeery careful...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299698&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299698 Author: lizzle
Subject: 38611
Posted: 05 April 2011 at 6:57am

yes, i would be veeeery careful saying that not restraining your child is cultural. we are a pacific island/maori family and we always have and always will have our children restrained.]]> Tue, 05 Apr 2011 06:57:39 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299698&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299698 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : I got myself a mirror so I can...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299654&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299654 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 10:01pm

I got myself a mirror so I can see my son.......makes ERF much less worrying for me. wouldnt be without it now, even though I did um and ah over the amount it cost!! ]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 22:01:33 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299654&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299654 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Just wanted to quickly put my...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299651&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299651 Author: AbzandH
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 9:57pm

Just wanted to quickly put my hand up too to say I had no idea about ERF until OB. I did for the first few months think "oh I can't wait till a few months when I can turn him around so I can keep a better eye on him" until I read a few articles a few lovely ladies on here pointed out. Now we have a seat which will rear face until 25kg or he outgrows it height wise.
One of my very best friends has her boy front facing from 6 months, and I have never passed judgement as he was a very sickly colicky baby and she fretted non stop about him chocking on vomit. Each to their own but do keep in mind there are quite a few out there who genuinely have no idea about ERF, or even the reasons to rear face to start with!
]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 21:57:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299651&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299651 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Chickielou wrote: Sorry, Im...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299625&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299625 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 9:32pm

Chickielou wrote:

[

I dont see tiptoeing around making much difference either......so I suppose the world will always have those that dont for what ever reasons be it igornance or just uneducated due to cultural....[/QUOTE]

Sorry, Im not "getting at you" however it is VERY VERY ignorant to assume ignorance is cultural, by the way. These families get alot of information and help about living here. Weather or not they choose to use them is another thing. Short of physically getting the car with them every trip, ther is not much else you can do.
I see the teachers out here daily reminding the parents to use seats, lending them seats to use, riing the police to do spot checks..then what happens is the families "dissapear" kids are taken out to the vineyards to roam round missing on any kind of education because the parents don't want to bother with "the car seat police" at school and pre school. They can't afford the fines, they don't pay them anyhow and the kids miss out. Most of these kids are restrained, but not in car seats. So its rock and hard place, really, for the teachers.
I get where you are coming from, I really do, however I have "beenin the system" long enough to know that for some people, car seats just aren't a priority. It is sad, but it is an unfortuante fact of life.]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 21:32:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299625&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299625 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Chickielou wrote: nathansmummy...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299613&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299613 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 9:24pm

Chickielou wrote:

nathansmummy wrote:

Chickielou that might be going a bit far to say they shouldn't have babies. I think the answer would be more information/education about kids in carseats and the consequences of being unrestrained. I understand your being passionate about this though, I do get mad and upset when I see that kind of thing. And try to call the police if I catch the registration long enough.

Again, I work in public health, (actually I work for an agency who's main client base is low income maori/PI/Immigrant families, but I'll get to that)
car seats and restraiing is quite possibly at the very very bottom of CYF priorities. If its even one. They are well under resourced and frankly have bigger problems to deal with than an unfortunate minortiy who don't restrain their children.

It is a problem, granted.. but it isn't a CYF one, Im afraid.

...and these "serial offenders" are very very ulikely to even have internt access, let alone visit online forums.

]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 21:24:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299613&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299613 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Chickielou wrote:Thats the...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299479&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299479 Author: NewPhoenix
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 7:25pm

Chickielou wrote:

Thats the prob we want these things to be avoided and not punished after the fact......but then again if the thought of losing your baby isnt enough to want to keep them safe then Im sorry maybe they shouldnt have babies.........for the most part we can only do so much to protect our babies from all the dangers out there, and this one would be a fairly simple one to perform!!!!

that's too far. you have no place what so ever judging people on weather or not they should have kids. you have no idea on their personal situation, they may be a fantastic parent outside their choices on restraining their child, being a good parent isn't solely resting on the way you choose to restrain your child, it may be a contributing factor - but not the be all and end all. yes it is wrong, no i am not defending them, but NOTHING makes it OK to say that someone shouldn't have kids.]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:25:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299479&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299479 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : re: cultures who knows what the...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299459&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299459 Author: Plushie
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 7:11pm

re: cultures who knows what the law is for seatbelts in the islands? Might not just be aware of law here esp if they are living in a large pacific based community. I have nepalese friends who (used to) travel their baby in a capsule not buckled in and not strapped to the seat and they would lift him out to nurse him or just cuddle him while travelling. Also if he is asleep they would be quite happy to leave him in the car while they pop into a cafe for lunch! Fortunatly they don't drive and we live in Mt Cook so if i took them to a town i'd insist but they legitimatly didnt realise that is law here or why it must be done.

Not that ignorance is an excuse but ignorance is better then knowing the danger and doing it anyway IMO.]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:11:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299459&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299459 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : nathansmummy wrote:I wonder...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299430&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299430 Author: jazzy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 6:33pm

nathansmummy wrote:

I wonder if cost is one of the barriers - which I'm assuming is why Waitakere made them "free" with a $25 plunket donation.

I would say its a factor & if everyone had access to this then there would not be any excesses...but I think a lot of the problem is having too many people in the vehicle & there is no room for the child seat. When the relatives come to stay the adults get the seats.

I would hate to see CYF get involved they get slammed enough for placing vulnerable kids with psychos.

It is a law that you have to have kids restrained, just like no using cell phones unless hands free. You break the law you get fined, you kill your kid you live with it & what ever else.

There are lots of campaigns out there to jump on this is one I would not. I have to say I very really see anyone child not restrained in a car.]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 18:33:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299430&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299430 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : I wonder if cost is one of the...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299401&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299401 Author: nathansmummy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 5:51pm

I wonder if cost is one of the barriers - which I'm assuming is why Waitakere made them "free" with a $25 plunket donation.]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:51:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299401&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299401 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : jazzy wrote:I think its just...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299388&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299388 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 5:35pm

jazzy wrote:

I think its just conmen sense restraining your child...the ones that don't...won't.

AGREE !!

]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:35:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299388&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299388 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : becky wrote: Chickielou wrote:I...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299382&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299382 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 5:31pm

becky wrote:

Chickielou wrote:

I would think that there is enough education out there already....how much more time and money should be spent on people that arent going to listen to warnings no matter what.....It something that I think Cyps should be called in to talk to offenders about (if there was enough manpower about to have cyps take that on of course)

This is relating to unrestrained NOT RF vs FF.....]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:31:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299382&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299382 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Chickielou wrote:I would think...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299376&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299376 Author: becky
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 5:23pm

I think your right CYF dont have the manpower to deal with this since they are dealing with parents that seriously abuse their children. I cant remember when I turned my DS to FF but think I went by the 1 year guideline. I have to agree that this issue is small in comparison to people that dont restrain at all. I think parents have enough cr@p to deal with these days around decisions and whats best without worrying about such small things like rf vs ff. I think most parents do the best they can with the information and supports they have. We need to applaud those parents that do the best for their children and make sure their needs are met.]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:23:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299376&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299376 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : I think its just conmen sense...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299271&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299271 Author: jazzy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 3:59pm

I think its just conmen sense restraining your child...the ones that don't...won't.]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:59:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299271&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299271 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : jazzy wrote: Chickielou wrote: I...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299224&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299224 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 3:18pm

jazzy wrote:

Chickielou wrote:

I dont see tiptoeing around making much difference either......so I suppose the world will always have those that dont for what ever reasons be it igornance or just uneducated due to cultural....

so what is the issue not being in a car seat or RF?

That comment is relating to the ones that dont restrain at all, whether it be FF, RF or in an old carseat...

It would be interesting to know some Stats on those who get caught with unrestrained children, because I would like to put a wager on a good majority of those having carseats installed but they have just decided not to for sake of a short trip....but without stats thats MY assumption]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:18:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299224&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299224 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Chickielou wrote: I dont see...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299212&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299212 Author: jazzy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 3:09pm

so what is the issue not being in a car seat or RF?

Edited by jazzy]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:09:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299212&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299212 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : freckle wrote: Chickielou...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299182&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299182 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:44pm

freckle wrote:

Chickielou wrote:

freckle wrote:

The information may be out there, but doesn't mean the right people have access to it. Like so many have said - they didn't even know about ERFing until they read it on OB.

and then we get hammered for scaremongering by bringing these things up in discussion forums........maybe thats why the information doesnt get to where it needs to.......

I don't believe it's necessary to incite fear to educate

I dont see tiptoeing around making much difference either......so I suppose the world will always have those that dont for what ever reasons be it igornance or just uneducated due to cultural....]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:44:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299182&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299182 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : I don't think it tends to...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299167&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299167 Author: nathansmummy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:35pm

I don't think it tends to work with those groups anyway. Maori and PI groups having a high rate of Diabetes, Heart Disease etc I used to work with them and the approach definitely wasn't to incite fear into what could happen, eg. "you could die... lose your limbs..." etc.!!!]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:35:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299167&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299167 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Chickielou wrote: freckle...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299162&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299162 Author: freckle
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:32pm

Chickielou wrote:

freckle wrote:

The information may be out there, but doesn't mean the right people have access to it. Like so many have said - they didn't even know about ERFing until they read it on OB.

and then we get hammered for scaremongering by bringing these things up in discussion forums........maybe thats why the information doesnt get to where it needs to.......

I don't believe it's necessary to incite fear to educate]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:32:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299162&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299162 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : I agree Nathansmummy and my guess...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299160&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299160 Author: freckle
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:31pm

I agree Nathansmummy and my guess would be that they are less likely to access services in which they would be educated about such issues - possibly due to cultural barriers (e.g. plunket, antinatal classes etc)]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:31:39 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299160&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299160 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : freckle wrote:The information...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299158&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299158 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:29pm

freckle wrote:

The information may be out there, but doesn't mean the right people have access to it. Like so many have said - they didn't even know about ERFing until they read it on OB.

and then we get hammered for scaremongering by bringing these things up in discussion forums........maybe thats why the information doesnt get to where it needs to.......

]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:29:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299158&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299158 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : It'd be interesting to find...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299152&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299152 Author: nathansmummy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:26pm

It'd be interesting to find out why lower socio-economic groups and/or PI groups have a high incidence (if that is the case?) I'd personally prefer to find out the reasons rather than hop on the bandwagon and make judgments about them.]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:26:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299152&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299152 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : The information may be out there,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299151&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299151 Author: freckle
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:26pm

The information may be out there, but doesn't mean the right people have access to it. Like so many have said - they didn't even know about ERFing until they read it on OB. ]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:26:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299151&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299151 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : nathansmummy wrote:Chickielou...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299144&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299144 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:20pm

Passionate much!! I like the idea of ERF so you can imagine what I think about No restraining at all........I would have to hold myself back from giving them a piece of my mind......and end up being flattened Im sure!! but yes I would def get rego

I would think that there is enough education out there already....how much more time and money should be spent on people that arent going to listen to warnings no matter what.....It something that I think Cyps should be called in to talk to offenders about (if there was enough manpower about to have cyps take that on of course)]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:20:48 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299144&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299144 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : I have to say too, that the families...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299141&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299141 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:19pm

I have to say too, that the families who get ticketed for no seats etc, are usually our "low decile" families and they don't pay the fines anyhow, so Im not sure how that particualr punishment works, wither.]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:19:21 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299141&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299141 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : nathansmummy wrote:TBH, I turned...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299138&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299138 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:17pm

nathansmummy wrote:

TBH, I turned my son to FF when he was 1yr old because I hadn't heard about ERF. When I did find out about it (on here), I didn't switch him around and I didn't do further research on it. We've come along way since the 70's when my mother used to lie me down in the backseat in a carry cot and nurse my brother on her knee!!!

Now our carseats have to be fitted perfectly and Plunket check them for us, and have to be on the correct angle at the correct position. Our 5yo are now in booster seats till they are 6yo. Now in my opinion this is not OTT but I don't think we should be getting too uptight about mothers FF their children at age 1yo or in Fattarts case - earlier because of car sickness. At least they are in a car seat and strapped in!

I didn't click on the link to any car crashes - I don't want to read about that stuff personally. I am pretty safe and pretty sensible with my child nevertheless. But interested to hear factual stats if someone has them.

I would agree that I don't mind sharing information but leaving it to parents to make their own decisions. I get far more upset when I see a baby sitting on an adult's knee (unrestrained) while they're driving...

Great post, Nathans Mummy.

Actually, as there is a preschool on the same grounds as our school there is at least once a term spot checks by the police in regards to restraints and seats and it always makes me go OMG when I see pacifica families who do the ol' kid on the knee trick.

Working for public health, I get the carseat safety lady out to pre school once a term to talk about seats with our immigrant families plus parents centre and a breastfeedign support group in town do the same. SO there is plenty of information out there, I guess it comes down to the individual to use it.]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:17:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299138&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299138 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Chickielou that might be going...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299128&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299128 Author: nathansmummy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:12pm

Chickielou that might be going a bit far to say they shouldn't have babies. I think the answer would be more information/education about kids in carseats and the consequences of being unrestrained. I understand your being passionate about this though, I do get mad and upset when I see that kind of thing. And try to call the police if I catch the registration long enough. ]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:12:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299128&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299128 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Thats the prob we want these things...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299124&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299124 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:10pm

Thats the prob we want these things to be avoided and not punished after the fact......but then again if the thought of losing your baby isnt enough to want to keep them safe then Im sorry maybe they shouldnt have babies.........for the most part we can only do so much to protect our babies from all the dangers out there, and this one would be a fairly simple one to perform!!!! ]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:10:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299124&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299124 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Chickielou wrote:what do you...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299122&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299122 Author: jazzy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:08pm

Chickielou wrote:

what do you think the punishment should be for people that dont restrain babies or children??

And of those that have seen babies/children on parents knees, can you remember if the adult is wearing a seatbelt??

It floors me that people wouldnt restrain a child even if it wasnt at the correct angle etc......but then again it also floors me that people still smoke with their babies in the car or house!!!!!!! WTF!!!!

So does anyone know what punishment is given?? I suppose it would be a mediocre fine??

I was appalled to hear that in Wainuiomata Lower Hutt, the police were going around giving out fines to people who had carseats older than 10yrs old, which ok is one thing, but the fine was $150, but if you didnt have your baby restrained at all, the fine was $100!!! thats CRAZY!!!! So basically they were saying if you cant afford to upgrade your older carseat, then its much better financially to have your baby unrestrained!!! COME ON!!!

I don't know what a fit punishment would be...but for me to live with myself after causing the death of my child would be a life sentence. I don't know if I could.

]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:08:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299122&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299122 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Sheza wrote:haha imagine an...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299117&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299117 Author: nathansmummy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:03pm

Sheza wrote:

haha imagine an adult driving round in booster seat

It actually might be quite helpful in terms of being able to see over the steering wheel!

]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:03:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299117&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299117 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : what do you think the punishment...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299113&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299113 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 1:59pm

what do you think the punishment should be for people that dont restrain babies or children??

And of those that have seen babies/children on parents knees, can you remember if the adult is wearing a seatbelt??

It floors me that people wouldnt restrain a child even if it wasnt at the correct angle etc......but then again it also floors me that people still smoke with their babies in the car or house!!!!!!! WTF!!!!

So does anyone know what punishment is given?? I suppose it would be a mediocre fine??

I was appalled to hear that in Wainuiomata Lower Hutt, the police were going around giving out fines to people who had carseats older than 10yrs old, which ok is one thing, but the fine was $150, but if you didnt have your baby restrained at all, the fine was $100!!! thats CRAZY!!!! So basically they were saying if you cant afford to upgrade your older carseat, then its much better financially to have your baby unrestrained!!! COME ON!!! ]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:59:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299113&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299113 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : TBH, I turned my son to FF when...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299088&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299088 Author: nathansmummy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 1:35pm

TBH, I turned my son to FF when he was 1yr old because I hadn't heard about ERF. When I did find out about it (on here), I didn't switch him around and I didn't do further research on it. We've come along way since the 70's when my mother used to lie me down in the backseat in a carry cot and nurse my brother on her knee!!!

Now our carseats have to be fitted perfectly and Plunket check them for us, and have to be on the correct angle at the correct position. Our 5yo are now in booster seats till they are 6yo. Now in my opinion this is not OTT but I don't think we should be getting too uptight about mothers FF their children at age 1yo or in Fattarts case - earlier because of car sickness. At least they are in a car seat and strapped in!

I didn't click on the link to any car crashes - I don't want to read about that stuff personally. I am pretty safe and pretty sensible with my child nevertheless. But interested to hear factual stats if someone has them.

I would agree that I don't mind sharing information but leaving it to parents to make their own decisions. I get far more upset when I see a baby sitting on an adult's knee (unrestrained) while they're driving...]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:35:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299088&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299088 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Hehe, though don't some shorter...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299076&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299076 Author: Kalimirella
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 1:14pm

Hehe, though don't some shorter people put a cushion on the seat to boost their height? Thats similar to a booster in that it helps the seatbelt to fit correctly.]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 13:14:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299076&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299076 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Oh ok, gotcha bowie! Maybe I could...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299000&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299000 Author: GuestGuest
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 11:34am

Oh ok, gotcha bowie! Maybe I could buy mum a Barbie booster

]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:34:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1299000&title=two-different-car-crashes#1299000 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : haha imagine an adult driving...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298998&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298998 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 11:32am

haha imagine an adult driving round in booster seat

]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:32:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298998&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298998 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : its just a booster to 148, i saw...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298988&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298988 Author: Plushie
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 11:21am

its just a booster to 148, i saw it in the docs office before with a height chart! im pretty sure i know a few adults who need boosters

]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:21:52 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298988&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298988 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : caliandjack wrote:Interestingly...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298984&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298984 Author: GuestGuest
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 11:16am

caliandjack wrote:

Interestingly I heard a recent ad on the radio for carseat safety and they were advising to RF babies and toddlers and FF pre-schoolers and in a booster till your child is 148cm in height. Seems the message about RF is getting thru.

I know nothing about this topic but I heard this ad too and thought I must have misheard considering my mother is only about 148cm. Must tell her to get a rear facing carseat!

]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 11:16:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298984&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298984 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : NovemberMum wrote: Babykatnz...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298969&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298969 Author: freckle
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 10:49am

NovemberMum wrote:

Babykatnz wrote:

I do think the links posted were both 'extremes' one not restrained at all, and one ERF, what about a link to middle ground, a child who is still restrained, even if its not RF and walks away??

so the first link was pretty irrelevant to anyone with any common sense then

]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 10:49:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298969&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298969 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : I found the two stories very unrelated...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298936&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298936 Author: linda
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 10:03am

I found the two stories very unrelated other than they both had an accident. A child unrestrained in the front seat is not going to do well in an accident. With the other one, who knows what would have happened should the child not have been RF.

I had thought the conversation went from car seats to formula feeding when I saw FF and couldn't quite understand what was going on...until I realised that FF was forward facing.

And fatartsrock, I so agree! As parents we do what we need to do]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 10:03:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298936&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298936 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Babykatnz wrote: I do think...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298890&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298890 Author: NovemberMum
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 9:20am

ok the point of those links is to show that even though there was major damage to one car all occupants of that car had minor injuries..ie they all lived to tell the story because they were all correctly restrained..and the other car the 2 year old died even though there was very ltitle damage to the car because he was unrestrained and in the front seat.

and in the car that was written off two of the children were FF (albiet one of them breaking their leg) and were able to walk away.]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 09:20:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298890&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298890 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Same as Peanut and Jazzy, once...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298885&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298885 Author: Babykatnz
Subject: 38611
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 9:11am

Same as Peanut and Jazzy, once my older 2 grew out of their capsule, they were in a FF carseat (it has the capacity to RF, but wont fit in my car that way, and we cant afforf to replace the car!) With my oldest it was 6 months as my mother wanted her capsule back so the choice was out of my hands, with DD we held off til 8.5 months. D will be exactly the same, I dont give a rats wazoo who tries to tell me what about carseats, my kids are always restrained, whether it be to their standards or not!

I do think the links posted were both 'extremes' one not restrained at all, and one ERF, what about a link to middle ground, a child who is still restrained, even if its not RF and walks away??]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 09:11:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298885&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298885 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : What I don't get is how you...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298085&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298085 Author: jazzy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 2:33pm

What I don't get is how you can drive with a 2yr old unrestrained in a car. Now that is irresponsible parenting with the highest price paid in this case.

The second story & yes they were lucky to all be alive but I wonder how many others with the same story have not been so lucky & have been killed even though they have been correctly restrained.

My kids were RF till they grew out of their capsule & then FF. I did not know about RF a child past that. I don't know if I would do it now either.
]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 14:33:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298085&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298085 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : By the way my comment about people...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298073&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298073 Author: _Deb_
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:54pm

By the way my comment about people being stupid was about people that don't properly restrain their kids.

I don't actually get into the whole FF vs RF debate but it just shocks me when i hear of people FF their babies when they're really small, because i can't understand WHY they would.

When my son was younger i hadn't actually heard about extended rear facing at all. I planned on changing him to FF at around one which is when he would have reached the 12kg weight limit. But he always made a huge fuss in the car and would cry all the time, so i ended up turning him round at 10.5 months. My daughter is still rear facing at 16 months but i'll probably turn her round in the next few months.

While i think it's good to RF till around one i'm not gonna have a go at people that turn them sooner, but i do think it's dangerous to have very young babies FF. I just want to see kids suitably restrained. It's sad that there are so many parents that don't do that.

Anyway, making decisions regarding our kids can be really tough especially with all the conflicting advice there is around. They're always changing guidelines, bringing our new better car seats etc, no wonder people struggle to decide what is best. There will always be people that will disagree with/judge our decisions. We just have to make the decisions that are right for us/our families and our situations.

I think it's all good to try and educate people so they know their options, without trying to ram it down their throats and making them feel like a bad parent for not doing what you think is best(Not talking about Novembermum by the way). I'm all for making informed decisions.

]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:54:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298073&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298073 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : See I think "Festiva"...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298072&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298072 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:51pm

See I think "Festiva" is a little misleading...Its name makes it sound like its a fun kinda party car....but it isn't, lol]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:51:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298072&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298072 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : ...aren't accordions an instrument?...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298067&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298067 Author: TheKelly
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:44pm

...aren't accordions an instrument? damn it! I hate them too,noisy bloody things! ....]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:44:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298067&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298067 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : DON'T GET ME STARTED ON ACCORDIONS....]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298064&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298064 Author: mothermercury
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:41pm

DON'T GET ME STARTED ON ACCORDIONS.

]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:41:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298064&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298064 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : ..or accordians. ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298062&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298062 Author: Emmecat
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:35pm

..or accordians.]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:35:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298062&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298062 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : I hope this isn't gonna get...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298061&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298061 Author: Emmecat
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:35pm

I hope this isn't gonna get into a debate about Ford Festivas *huffs*

]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:35:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298061&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298061 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : fattartsrock wrote:Im rolling...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298058&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298058 Author: pudgy
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:29pm

fattartsrock wrote:

Im rolling eyes at the great umbrage that is being taken and the WAY OTT reactions!
Ive not ever said I am against RF however I get sick of the evangelsitcal preaching about it... Just like people get sick of the BF "vs" FF debate and the Vaxing "vs" non vaxxing debate.
The thing that makes me ALSO roll my eyes is that having a 19 y/o as well as littlies, I can now see the "big picture" - I can see that it takes more than RF/BF/Cloth nappying etc to be a good parent.
Yep feel free to bring your umbrage into any sopabox I get up onto, because oyu will find tht I haven't been up on one in here for a very very long time...and I could, but you know, big picture and all, I can see there is no point. No one cares once your kid gets to school how they were fed, what type of nappies they wore and how they sat in your car.
And did you know that breastfeeding can save your babies life as well? Do you know that formula poisons and kills kids on very regualr basis? Im sure if you look hard enough on you tube, you will find some kind of emotive video about tht too. And can you imagie the FLAMING Id get for posting that kind of propaganda up????
...just sayin'

to this. I have learned recently that as wonderful as it is being passionate about things if you bleat on and on about it , it simply puts people off. Liek all the other touchy parenting subjects people can argue and point fingers till the cows come home but not everyone will see that point of view. People will all do things their own way regardless.

]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:29:55 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298058&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298058 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Oh and I FF'd my eldest two...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298053&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298053 Author: TheKelly
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:22pm

Oh and I FF'd my eldest two till they were one ,not sure what I'll do with Mila,but you can bet that I sure as hell wont put up with anyone judging me for my decision,I've got a school kid,I know parenting doesn't just consist of whether I BLW'nd,ERF'd or breast or bottle fed.

But,making sure your child is properly restrained,whether RFd or FFd,yes,very important]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:22:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298053&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298053 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : *sits nexts to emmecat and Sheza...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298051&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298051 Author: TheKelly
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 1:20pm

*sits nexts to emmecat and Sheza with popcorn* ...got m&ms too girls,if you want some...]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 13:20:21 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298051&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298051 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : *Sits next to emmecat with some...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298041&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298041 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 12:57pm

*Sits next to emmecat with some popcorn*

Edited by Sheza]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:57:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298041&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298041 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : ...and, its all well and good...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298035&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298035 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 12:51pm

...and, its all well and good RF but if you drive a wee 3 door ford festiva, or a small car with no side impact protection or airbags, it would cave like an accordian in a crash and you'd all be toast no matter how you are sitting. ...just sayin'...]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:51:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298035&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298035 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : *grabs coke* ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298024&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298024 Author: Emmecat
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 12:29pm

*grabs coke*

]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:29:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298024&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298024 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Im rolling eyes at the great umbrage...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298023&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298023 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 12:26pm

Im rolling eyes at the great umbrage that is being taken and the WAY OTT reactions!
Ive not ever said I am against RF however I get sick of the evangelsitcal preaching about it... Just like people get sick of the BF "vs" FF debate and the Vaxing "vs" non vaxxing debate.
The thing that makes me ALSO roll my eyes is that having a 19 y/o as well as littlies, I can now see the "big picture" - I can see that it takes more than RF/BF/Cloth nappying etc to be a good parent.
Yep feel free to bring your umbrage into any sopabox I get up onto, because oyu will find tht I haven't been up on one in here for a very very long time...and I could, but you know, big picture and all, I can see there is no point. No one cares once your kid gets to school how they were fed, what type of nappies they wore and how they sat in your car.
And did you know that breastfeeding can save your babies life as well? Do you know that formula poisons and kills kids on very regualr basis? Im sure if you look hard enough on you tube, you will find some kind of emotive video about tht too. And can you imagie the FLAMING Id get for posting that kind of propaganda up????
...just sayin'

Edited by fattartsrock]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:26:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1298023&title=two-different-car-crashes#1298023 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : _Deb_ wrote: I remember reading...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297962&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297962 Author: Peanut
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 10:19am

_Deb_ wrote:

I remember reading that someone on here forward faced their baby at 3 months.

I personally think this comment was very judging, if I was that person how welcome would I feel about now.

I agree with eevryone that said it comes down to circumstances and finances. My children have both FF from 6 months due to the fact that RF carseats can't fit in my car and we can't afford to change cars. They are legal carseats and always restrained. Am I a bad mother? Hell no. my kids are fed, clothed and loved.....more than I can say for some kids out there.

For those that are whinging about others butting into their parenting choices - tell them to back off. Who cares, are they really that great a "friend" if they are trying to force you to do something. People parenting decisions and choices will always differ.]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:19:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297962&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297962 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : chickielou - I don't think...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297952&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297952 Author: freckle
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 10:08am

chickielou - I don't think anyone has actually disagreed with ERFing - in fact I said I was going to ERF my youngest and I will be until at least 2, probably longer all going well. I just think trying to get people to listen using fear and guilt is wrong and doesn't work! ]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:08:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297952&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297952 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : NovemberMum wrote:ok folks...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297949&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297949 Author: freckle
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 10:04am

NovemberMum wrote:

ok folks this is not about forward facing vs rear facing my intention was to show the importance of having children correctly restrained..this is something that really happened and if showing this story can save even one life then that can only be a good thing can't it

well I doubt there is many (if any) of us on here that take our kids our unrestrained (as in the first article) so why would you post that as a comparison to RFing?
]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:04:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297949&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297949 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Thanks Novembermum, Im sure there...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297948&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297948 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 10:04am

Thanks Novembermum, Im sure there are some people out there that appreciate what you are trying to show.......where as others just love to come in to debate things for the sake of it as none of their arguments against really stack up against the safety of a child being put first.....

But in their minds they prefer to go against the "system".......where as Me I like to make informed choices and if I decided to turn my son sooner then that would be my perogative but at least my choice would be informed.......just like people who start smoking, we all know its deadly but people still start regardless......and well thats their funerals, but they cant turn around and say "OH MY WHY DIDNT SOMEONE TELL ME"

Information is power and we all have the CHOICE........no one on here is forcing anyone to do anything.

And please feel free to pick my post to death and find ways to put words into my mouth and change the context...!! ]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:04:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297948&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297948 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : myonlineself wrote:...and they...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297941&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297941 Author: Lucky apple
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:57am

myonlineself wrote:

...and they wonder why there is bullying in schools... seems not everyone grows out of it.... unhelpful belittling remarks are uncalled for, this is an interesting discussion... if you have nothing constructive to add, why not just go post somewhere else?

yeah...I thought that too. Has brought the tone of the discussion down quite a bit. Respect for others, and their decisions is called for.
I agree with ERF - I learned about it on OB, thanks ladies!
But I also agree with fattartsrock
and I also agree that the initial post was not even about ERF!

]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:57:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297941&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297941 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : ok folks this is not about forward...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297939&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297939 Author: NovemberMum
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:56am

ok folks this is not about forward facing vs rear facing my intention was to show the importance of having children correctly restrained..this is something that really happened and if showing this story can save even one life then that can only be a good thing can't it]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:56:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297939&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297939 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Chickielou wrote: freckle...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297938&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297938 Author: freckle
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:56am

Chickielou wrote:

freckle wrote:

Chickielou wrote:

OH DEAR!!!! Im glad someone informed me that FF too soon was potentially putting my baby at risk. NO one has ever told me that I was putting my two other boys at risk by turning them at 6months. I did so because it was the norm and didnt realise because I wasnt informed and also I didnt have the net with my first (15yrs ago) so I am super glad that I now know this. I have my son 15months RF still and will be until he reaches full limit of 12kgs........failure to do that is completely irresponsible on my behalf as I am now making an informed choice.......and if i turned my son now knowing that its a HUGE risk then I would be super irresponsible as I wouldnt be putting his best interest and safety first!!!!

and if it's not an option?? they should live in fear?? it just all seems a bit out of perspective to me... ]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:56:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297938&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297938 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : ...and they wonder why there is...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297934&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297934 Author: myonlineself
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:50am

...and they wonder why there is bullying in schools... seems not everyone grows out of it.... unhelpful belittling remarks are uncalled for, this is an interesting discussion... if you have nothing constructive to add, why not just go post somewhere else? ]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:50:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297934&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297934 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : I forward faced my child...well,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297926&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297926 Author: lizzle
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:40am

I forward faced my child...well, jake doesn't count cause we lived overseas and didn't have a car, but Taine at 6 months. i did so because he had grown out of his capsule. It was my decision. I didn't know about extended rear facing. Big question - would i have continued rear facing if I had a car seat that supported this? maybe - if I could have afforded the seat - i certainly would not have expected others to pay for it (maybe dad - but that is another story). would I have kicked arse of anyone who told me i was a bad mother for not doing so? you betcha! The thing i don't like about videos like this, is that it is propaganda. Reports with statistics and studies - fair enough, but videos like this use propaganda techniques to guilt people into doing things - it gets my back up and makes me LESS likely to do what they want. it also makes me question their motives.]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:40:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297926&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297926 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : fattartsrock wrote:*rolls eyes* I...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297920&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297920 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:33am

fattartsrock wrote:

*rolls eyes*

I must remember to roll my eyes at you next time you are crusading about one of the many things you get on your soap box about..]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:33:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297920&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297920 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : *gets out popcorn,doses it with...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297908&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297908 Author: Emmecat
Subject: 38611
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:17am

*gets out popcorn,doses it with butter...offers to fatartsrock*

]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:17:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297908&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297908 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : fattartsrock wrote:*rolls eyes* Couldn't...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297805&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297805 Author: Whateversville
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 10:40pm

fattartsrock wrote:

*rolls eyes*

Couldn't have said it better myself.]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 22:40:34 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297805&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297805 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : caliandjack wrote:Interestingly...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297799&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297799 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 10:32pm

I think the kids seats they have (narnias) are both til about this height. I think its more "standard" now, which is good. You can also take the back off them, and just use them as half boosters, which is what I'd do for a child over, say 130 maybe? cos 148cm is not that much smaller than I! My almost 6 y/o is 125cm and my 4 y/o is 99cm I think. She's still in a 5 point but you can convert it to a "bosster" then a half booster.]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 22:32:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297799&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297799 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : *rolls eyes* ]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297797&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297797 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 10:27pm

*rolls eyes* ]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 22:27:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297797&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297797 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : freckle wrote: Chickielou...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297794&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297794 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 10:16pm

freckle wrote:

As you can see the comment says "I" would be irresponsible not "you" or "they" because I dont have car sickness as a factor or other reasons (which I cant think of what other reasons there could possibly be)and you know what if it is this "scaremongering" then I say good bloody job cos someone should scare people into doing the right thing.......quite sick of this tiptoeing around so not to upset someone when its a childs life and safety we are talking about, not whether we BF or FF or BLW or Pureed.......this is a serious topic and people should be scared into doing the right bloody thing if its an option for them.....]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 22:16:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297794&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297794 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : NovemberMum wrote: rachelsea...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297766&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297766 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 9:36pm

NovemberMum wrote:

rachelsea wrote:

My gosh, I can't believe the lady in the first article had an unrestrained 2yr old sitting in the front seat

surely she will get in trouble for that!

YAY for the other lady being so up with the play on car seat saftey though

yes I hope the lady of the unrestrained child is charged with manslaughter!!!

A woman killed her children in a similar accident near Palmerston North and she did get charged with manslaughter as they kids weren't properly restrained.]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:36:57 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297766&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297766 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Chickielou wrote:OH DEAR!!!!Im...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297763&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297763 Author: freckle
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 9:32pm

I think completely irresponsible would be no car seat in an airbagged seat (as in the first link) ... I think it's a bit extreme to call a parent with a good FF carseat completely irresponsible! I think RFing is a good thing and intend to do so with my youngest, but should I have to turn her due to car sickness or other reasons I don't think that is completely irresponsible... and I think saying it's a HUGE risk and super irrsponsible is scaremongering...]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:32:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297763&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297763 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Interestingly I heard a recent...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297759&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297759 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 9:31pm

Interestingly I heard a recent ad on the radio for carseat safety and they were advising to RF babies and toddlers and FF pre-schoolers and in a booster till your child is 148cm in height. Seems the message about RF is getting thru.]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:31:33 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297759&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297759 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : I haven't watched the vid's...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297742&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297742 Author: AandCsmum
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 9:21pm

I haven't watched the vid's but the mother, who you say, had a child in the front seat of a car with an airbag, regardless of if the child was in a carseat or not, is a plain moron! Airbags say on them to not have children or small people in the front with air bags.]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:21:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297742&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297742 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : I'm pretty sure Novembermum...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297724&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297724 Author: MamaT
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 9:07pm

I'm pretty sure Novembermum started this thread with the purpose of sharing information, nit "scaremongering". If it weren't for ohbaby I wouldn't even be aware of the risk of turning my DS forwards, I would have naively followed plunkets guidelines and turned him at 1, along with the majority of NZ.
My DS cries and gets upset at times in his carseat, but there is no way I will take him out, or turn him around. His safety is paramount.]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:07:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297724&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297724 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Sheza wrote:Oh I totally agree...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297716&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297716 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:57pm

Sheza wrote:

Oh I totally agree for the sake of 'coolness' is just....pathetic!!!
I turned DS at 9 months as I didn't know any better! and I turned DD when she was a year old. Id love to get RF car seats for them but its just find the money for them as Id need to and those seats are like $410-510!! That's $820-1000 for 2

If they want more people to RF for longer then make the bloody seats affordable for your average NZer!!

I am lucky at 15months my baby is only 10kgs, and for his Guardian SnS he wont need turning until 12kgs which he will be about 2yrs old.
My 6yr old is now also in a side impact protected full booster seat...I do agree that they need to make RF for longer more affordable but I think when my baby is 12kgs I dont think I will mind him FF as he will be a lot older than 6months and certainly a heck of a lot better than the 6kgs a 6month old would weigh.

I also think that they need to make it LAW that you are not to FF until they reach that height or weight limit of that Said carseat.
I was talking to plunket the other day and she was very happy to hear my thoughts on the carseat situation and I said that my son wont be turned until 12kgs....but it should be automatically added to all baby books and bounty books and anything that helps parents make an informed choice........not scare them but to give them the knowledge of what they are doing!!]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:57:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297716&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297716 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : I guess it depends on how you...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297707&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297707 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:53pm

I guess it depends on how you few RF and car safety. The car seat I've got from Plunket is RF to 15kgs, and I will RF till then as its within the safety guidelines of the seat. My seat cost $30 advantage of living in Waitakere Licensing Trust catchment area.
I wouldn't drive anyone in my car without a seat belt on cause its not safe. I think of RF in the same light.

Unfortunately the people selling car seats often don't know any better either. ]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:53:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297707&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297707 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Sheza that cosco scenera goes...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297702&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297702 Author: NovemberMum
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:48pm

Sheza that cosco scenera goes to 16kg that would get the average child rearfacing to 2 years..you can get them for less than $200 in some places.]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:48:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297702&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297702 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Oh I totally agree for the sake...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297701&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297701 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:46pm

Oh I totally agree for the sake of 'coolness' is just....pathetic!!!
I turned DS at 9 months as I didn't know any better! and I turned DD when she was a year old. Id love to get RF car seats for them but its just find the money for them as Id need to and those seats are like $410-510!! That's $820-1000 for 2

If they want more people to RF for longer then make the bloody seats affordable for your average NZer!!]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:46:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297701&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297701 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : OH DEAR!!!!Im glad someone informed...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297691&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297691 Author: LouD
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:39pm

OH DEAR!!!! Im glad someone informed me that FF too soon was potentially putting my baby at risk. NO one has ever told me that I was putting my two other boys at risk by turning them at 6months. I did so because it was the norm and didnt realise because I wasnt informed and also I didnt have the net with my first (15yrs ago) so I am super glad that I now know this. I have my son 15months RF still and will be until he reaches full limit of 12kgs........failure to do that is completely irresponsible on my behalf as I am now making an informed choice.......and if i turned my son now knowing that its a HUGE risk then I would be super irresponsible as I wouldnt be putting his best interest and safety first!!!!

I hardly see this comparison to breast nazis.....and dont get me wrong I would love to be a breast nazi and I have my own judgement on formula fed babies....which is a whole different topic.....but this is a life and death situation and I fail to understand why anyone would for the sake of "coolness" turn their babies before they reach full weight limit for RF????!!!!!!!

Go Novembermum on your crusade cos if you save lives in the process then im 100% behind you all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:39:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297691&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297691 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : fattartsrock wrote:TBH it s...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297665&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297665 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 8:10pm

fattartsrock wrote:

TBH it s the almost evangelical preaching about RF VS FF that is more than a little "off putting".
No one knows exactly why people make the choices they do. I'd agree that FF to make a baby "look cool" puts the intellegance of said person to question, however i have learnt over the years that yelling and preaching your information all the time makes people shut off...quietly works better. People shut down and turn off when you get onto a preach about stuff..and talk about it all. the. time.

Yep have to agree as well!

Im not getting into the rest because Im quite frankly sick of the damn RF FF debate! But, my kids are both in safe FF carseats. Have a go at the parents who don't restrain their kids AT ALL! There are a lot of those f*ck wits out there!]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:10:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297665&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297665 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : fattartsrock wrote:TBH it s...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297648&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297648 Author: Emmecat
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 7:34pm

Originally posted by fattartsrock fattartsrock wrote:

TBH it s the almost evangelical preaching about RF VS FF that is more than a little "off putting".
No one knows exactly why people make the choices they do. I'd agree that FF to make a baby "look cool" puts the intellegance of said person to question, however i have learnt over the years that yelling and preaching your information all the time makes people shut off...quietly works better. People shut down and turn off when you get onto a preach about stuff..and talk about it all. the. time.

Gotta agree with you on this one.....regardless of how I feel about RF vs FF

]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:34:57 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297648&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297648 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : TBH it s the almost evangelical...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297630&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297630 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 7:15pm

TBH it s the almost evangelical preaching about RF VS FF that is more than a little "off putting".
No one knows exactly why people make the choices they do. I'd agree that FF to make a baby "look cool" puts the intellegance of said person to question, however i have learnt over the years that yelling and preaching your information all the time makes people shut off...quietly works better. People shut down and turn off when you get onto a preach about stuff..and talk about it all. the. time.]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:15:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297630&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297630 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : NovemberMum wrote:oh for goodness...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297625&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297625 Author: Nothing
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 7:11pm

NovemberMum wrote:

oh for goodness sakes it is not about scaremongering, the links I posted were simply about having children properly restrained.

I agree, I read the thread and not for one second thought it was scaremongering towards anyone who FF's. Everyone makes their own decisions, some for the right ones and some for the wrong ones. I wouldnt take it personally at all. ]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:11:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297625&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297625 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : The links aren't about rf/ff....]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297624&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297624 Author: kellie
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 7:11pm

The links aren't about rf/ff. I think the thread just took that direction :)]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:11:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297624&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297624 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : And like i said, i don't...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297619&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297619 Author: Plushie
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 7:05pm

And like i said, i don't really mind what my friend does with her baby though i wish she had a better reason then him looking cool - thats her child she can do whatev she wants - but i do not appreciate her telling me to FF my son this early and constantly getting in my face about it. For the record she also trys to force a 10month to crawl (there must be something wrong with him, has he been to the dr?) and is a general PIMA so perhaps i am just chosing an inappropriate place to vent. I'm not judging her choices i just wish she'd stay the f** out of mine!]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:05:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297619&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297619 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : I do think its a tad different...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297608&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297608 Author: myonlineself
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 6:55pm

I do think its a tad different to ff your child for car sickness than because they look cooler ff.... sure people make their own decisions, but its a shame when people make uninformed decisions, and whether you agree or not, the fact is that rf is safer... its a fact, not scaremongering... and I am sure that if more people were aware of that fact, less people would ff their children early... most people turn their kids at 1 year because that's what everyone else does and they assume its the right thing to do...

I suggest you don't take it personally, cause that isn't what this thread is about...]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:55:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297608&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297608 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : You just seem to be on some kind...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297607&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297607 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 6:54pm

You just seem to be on some kind of moral crusade about rf and while I applaud your dedication to your cause, it is, frankly a bit OTT. Imagine the uproar if "breast nazis" kept up with links and threads in the same manner? Yes, you have some valid points, but these links are...scaremongering. Like I said, there are probably videos on you tube about babies sick from drinking formula or from vaccinating and dying and stuff (and I work in public health so yes, I have seen/know of "those cases") however I and others like me don't post up about it all the time, because parenting is full of personal choices and some of these choices are hard enough to make without moral crusaders "ramming" stuff down our throats all the time.
Did you ever stop to think that Car seat companies probably PAY for those heart wrenching stories to go viral?, knowing that thier product will spike in sales with every hit?????

And Im waiting for you to take a pot shot about me...oh and more ammo, I have had my 5 y/o in the front seat of my car in his booster before too....]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:54:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297607&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297607 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : It's such a damn waste of...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297600&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297600 Author: kellie
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 6:48pm

It's such a damn waste of a little life. The car that hit the deer had almost no damage. Nobody should have died in that crash :(

I also hope the mother gets charged.]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:48:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297600&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297600 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : oh for goodness sakes it is not...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297597&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297597 Author: NovemberMum
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 6:46pm

oh for goodness sakes it is not about scaremongering, the links I posted were simply about having children properly restrained and to show that despite car being written off because all 3 children were correctly restrained (albeit one of the children breaking their legs) all occupants of the car were able to walk away from the crash ...and then you get the one where the 2 year old was sitting in the front seat not even wearing so much as a seat belt..car hits a deer..air bag goes off killing said 2 year ..very little damage to the car.

]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:46:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297597&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297597 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Ok, I can't NOT say anything...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297587&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297587 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 6:34pm

Ok, I can't NOT say anything anymore. What on earth is it with this SCAREMONGERING??? There are 1000 sad movies on you tube about ANY kind of scenario involving children, take your pick.
People make their decisions based on what they think is best for THEM, like you ERFer's (and I feel like a complete twat writing that) and just because they choose to do something different to you does NOT make them a bad parent? Have you though about side impact crashes? Crashes that happen when you roll? A truck ploughing you? RF or not, everyone is going to get hurt and NOONE WANTS their child to get hurt and choosing NOT to RF your child does not mean you WANT to hurt your shild.
So why dont you ERFers get "all up in my grill" about why I FF MY daughter at almost 8 months?? I DARE you. And *OMG* I travel ALL the time too, so OMG the RISK I took.
See the thing is, you would see my child FF in the car and think OMG call CYFS, but what you wouldn't see is the child that sceamed constantly when she wasn't throwing up with chronic car sickness. And when you travel hundreds of KMS every other week, car sickness SUCKS.
So take your judgy judgerson attitudes about FF and think about the situation that may have lead to "early" FF...

To me, these kind of threads would be like me putting up links to all the hundreds and hundreds of research and articles and stuff about how bad formula is and what it does to kids (and imagine the outcry if I did), or links to non vaccianting research and articles,but I WONT cos its not my business what choices people make regarding their kids.

Personally I think a bigger thign to get your knickers in a twist about with kids in cars is people who drink and drive with their kids or smoke in their cars with kids.

Edited by fattartsrock]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:34:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297587&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297587 <![CDATA[two different car crashes : Wow Bowie that's just insane!...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297543&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297543 Author: rachelsea
Subject: 38611
Posted: 01 April 2011 at 5:23pm

Wow Bowie that's just insane! Yeah good idea turning a 2month old FFing

My DD is also the only one in my coffee group (antenatal group that is) who is still RFing. The others all got switched around as soon as they turned 1 (I don't think anyone did it earlier at least). Most of the bubs in my OB coffee group are still RFing though

Also when DD turned 1 Plunket said "She should be forward facing now". They don't seem to know a lot about carseat safety... (sorry for the generalisation, I'm sure *some* of them do!)]]> Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:23:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38611&PID=1297543&title=two-different-car-crashes#1297543