https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 18 May 2026 17:13:17 +0000 Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:17:00 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.05 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=38621 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1299135&title=need-help-with-bfing#1299135 Author: sweetknights
Subject: 38621
Posted: 04 April 2011 at 2:17pm

BabyKatNZ ---- Your problem is very similar to mine we spent time in hospital due to my dd losing 2lbs and I almost lost my milk supply by the time we found out And getting her to latch was a nightmare although I did start expressing at hospital and to start with I was only able to get out 40-50ml at a time and had to top her up with formula..She had a pretty hard TT discovered and had it snipped at 5 weeks also but unfortunately it didn't improve the breast feeding..I have has several appointments with the LC and my dd problem isn't the latch as she can latch on really well its the sucking more as she also has a short tongue so the lc thinks with time she may pick up breast feeding..She is 9 weeks old now and although I am still expressing she has started doing a little better at the breast plus I am able to express of 180ml a time now although the expressing is a PITA and I would much prefer if I could BF full time as its just easier (for going out ect..) but hopefully she will get it within the next month and if not i will carry on expressing so she is getting the breast milk... But just wanted to say I know from experience how hard it is and how tiring and long winded feeding can be but it does get easier plus hopefully once your little one has its tt snipped you will get right back on track xxx]]> Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:17:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1299135&title=need-help-with-bfing#1299135 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298619&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298619 Author: MamaT
Subject: 38621
Posted: 03 April 2011 at 5:49pm

I'm so glad to hear you and D are making progress, well done you ]]> Sun, 03 Apr 2011 17:49:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298619&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298619 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298499&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298499 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 38621
Posted: 03 April 2011 at 12:25pm

LOL good point! ]]> Sun, 03 Apr 2011 12:25:59 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298499&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298499 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298498&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298498 Author: Emmi_
Subject: 38621
Posted: 03 April 2011 at 12:25pm

Oh ok, that makes sense then BK, stinko!!]]> Sun, 03 Apr 2011 12:25:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298498&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298498 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298496&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298496 Author: Babykatnz
Subject: 38621
Posted: 03 April 2011 at 12:23pm

We tried it in hosp and it wouldnt work, there was a miniscule gap between shield and breast where tube was, and it was enough to kill the suction... the LC from neonates came up to try and set it up and she couldnt get it to work either... one of the main reasons we want to get the TT sorted asap, easier to use lactaid if I can feed him without shields!

lol Deb, no probs, you didnt know the whole story, all I said was that he wouldnt feed! Plus it wasnt really a good place to be talking about feeding probs, I'm sure the other lady didnt need to hear all about how my baby cant latch onto my boobs!! ]]> Sun, 03 Apr 2011 12:23:48 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298496&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298496 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298464&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298464 Author: Emmi_
Subject: 38621
Posted: 03 April 2011 at 11:10am

Glad to hear your getting it sorted BK, I just wanted to add tho, that the lactaid does work with a nipple shield, when we had to use it with DD thats what we did - poked the tube through the nipple shield, the shield still stuck to the boob and the milk would still flow through the tube, if that makes sense? Let me know if you want me to try and explain it better for you (or ask the LC, they should know, our LC was the one that set mine up)]]> Sun, 03 Apr 2011 11:10:55 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298464&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298464 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298435&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298435 Author: T_Rex
Subject: 38621
Posted: 03 April 2011 at 10:09am

Ohh yay! I'm glad to hear things have improved a bit. You are doing so well chick. Hang in there ]]> Sun, 03 Apr 2011 10:09:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298435&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298435 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298393&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298393 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 38621
Posted: 03 April 2011 at 9:18am

thats great news. i felt bad after seeing you the other day that i had no good advice to offer you, in fact i felt i was less than supportive and felt very stink! So i am glad that some of the replies have helped.]]> Sun, 03 Apr 2011 09:18:33 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298393&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298393 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298384&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298384 Author: Babykatnz
Subject: 38621
Posted: 03 April 2011 at 9:04am

Its not one that a GP can take care of (they do grade 1 and 2, his is grade 4) so I'm stuck waiting for the referral (cant go private as he cant get added to our policy until 3 months old) the LC specialist that diagnosed it will be doing a referral tomorrow if the service I'm registered with havent got their A into G yet!

Have followed some of the suggestions like starting the feed before he gets grumpy, and if im too late then doing bottle first then top-up from me and we seem to be getting back on track... crisis averted for now!

thanks for the advice!!]]> Sun, 03 Apr 2011 09:04:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298384&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298384 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298349&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298349 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 38621
Posted: 03 April 2011 at 8:02am

I used the football hold in the beginning when she was little. That seemed to give a better latch. I have big boobs which may have been a factor.

When is he getting his tongue tie sorted? Not sure how severe it is, I took DD to a GP in Milford that specialises in them and it was a 5 min procedure done straight away it cost $50 better than having to wait IMO. Getting them done thru the hospitals seems to take forever. ]]> Sun, 03 Apr 2011 08:02:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298349&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298349 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298201&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298201 Author: CJsays
Subject: 38621
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 7:48pm

hey i'm not sure about tonguie tie, but i have a prem baby who went thru a very bad fussy stage 3 weeks ago and i thought the bfing was going to be over. we do EBM by bottle and BFing, 2 bottles a day now and the rest BF.
the thing i found that worked when she was fussy is cradle hold, and me standing and rocking her gently from side to side. seemed to help settle her down and keep her latched on. is only a small thing but worth trying, hope it helps, i totally understand your frustration and really hope you can work it out.]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 19:48:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298201&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298201 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298031&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298031 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38621
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 12:49pm

Ok, latching properly with a tounge tie is really hard. I can't believe they have been mucking you round with it!!!! Must be so frustrating for you to say the least.
Dosne't sound like your supply is an issue and I'd stop the suppliments and carry on with the pump only for a couple of reasons. 1st reason is it stimulates your body to make more milk, regardless of how little comes out. How much you get out is NOT a good indicator of how much milk you have!
and @nd, the stimulating thing is good because oyu won't lose too miuch of your supply when you top baby up.

Some good things to do is to try and latch baby on when they aren't screaming/hungry or stressed. When they first wake up is good, theya re all sleepy and pretty easy to manipulte!
Another idea is to have lots of shirts off cubbles time, lots of lovely chest to face bare skin time, snuggling ina warm bath or shower is good, or just snuggled up in bed together for the morning so baby can get some "good feelings associations" with being in that area.
Make usre your bottle teat is a slow flow teat, because hte fater the flow, the less likey they are to want the much slower ejections reflex of breast milk. Also try and wave some under babys nose before latch on, get their taste buds running.]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:49:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298031&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298031 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298026&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298026 Author: fattartsrock
Subject: 38621
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 12:38pm

caliandjack wrote: I had similar problems with DD, tongue tie low birth weight. I never use nipple shields, no body told me I needed to. I bf for a week with until the tongue tie was picked up (hurt like a mf). Cause she was small she was also a slow feeder This is what we did - I would feed her on my breast for 30 minutes then give her EBM and formula if she needed it. After a couple of days of the bottle she refused the breast, and I was about to give up. Instead I gave her EBM first then put her back on the breast and she went fine, cause the bottle was easier for her and I felt it gave her 'practice' with latching. I only used Medela bottles with nuk teats and have the Medela mini electric pump. Manual pumps took ages. We did this for the first 3-4 weeks, then I moved to bf during the day and bottles at night, and allowed her to feed as much during the day as she wanted. At 2 months she got the hang of latching and we've been exclusively bf ever since. I spent a day at the Family Centre with a LC, spending the whole day really helped.

This is AWESOME stuff! Well done, you! YOu should be so proud of yourself. ]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:38:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298026&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298026 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298014&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298014 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 38621
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 12:06pm

I had similar problems with DD, tongue tie low birth weight.

I never use nipple shields, no body told me I needed to.
I bf for a week with until the tongue tie was picked up (hurt like a mf).

Cause she was small she was also a slow feeder

This is what we did - I would feed her on my breast for 30 minutes then give her EBM and formula if she needed it.
After a couple of days of the bottle she refused the breast, and I was about to give up.
Instead I gave her EBM first then put her back on the breast and she went fine, cause the bottle was easier for her and I felt it gave her 'practice' with latching.
I only used Medela bottles with nuk teats and have the Medela mini electric pump.
Manual pumps took ages.

We did this for the first 3-4 weeks, then I moved to bf during the day and bottles at night, and allowed her to feed as much during the day as she wanted.

At 2 months she got the hang of latching and we've been exclusively bf ever since.

I spent a day at the Family Centre with a LC, spending the whole day really helped. ]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 12:06:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1298014&title=need-help-with-bfing#1298014 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297995&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297995 Author: T_Rex
Subject: 38621
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 11:24am

Not really much advice on the latching, but I am hopeless at expressing cos I don't have a decent letdown. But I did find if I had DD on one boob (regardless of if she had a decent latch), I could get way more milk out of the other boob. It's not easy though, and would often take DH to pass me the baby once I had the pump attached and then hang around to take her or the pump away afterwards.]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:24:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297995&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297995 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297987&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297987 Author: MamaT
Subject: 38621
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 11:18am

In the first few days I was having to supplement DS with ebm too and I found I would often have to offer to bottle for a wee bit first before I could get him latched, if he was too hungry he would refuse my breast, it was too much work for him. Then I would end up alternating between breast and bottle for a lot of the feed.
Perhaps try pming weegee or fattarts???

Grrrr at the hospital for not arranging an appointment time already, its ridiculous.
I just wanted to say, good on you for perservering with breastfeeding, you are doing an amazing job and certainly haven't had an easy ride.]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:18:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297987&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297987 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297965&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297965 Author: Plushie
Subject: 38621
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 10:36am

dammit sorry stupid computer,

i also tried to drop a spoon or so into his mouth to remind him what was to come and also take the edge of the hunger so he was more calm as he latched. and i fed him in the dark quiet room for nearly 3 weeks in case it was noise that was causing him to fuss at the breast.

do you have a fast letdown? i do and max would go mad twisting his head and thrashing limbs to avoid the firehose - helped to de latch and spray off the first bit.

try lll meeting too mine had great advice.

soorry for mad posts baby twisting my nipple and flailing atm!]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:36:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297965&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297965 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297961&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297961 Author: Plushie
Subject: 38621
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 10:19am

Don't give up!!

DS flat out refused breastfeeding for 3 days then only licked - seriously, licked - at the drippy bits of the end for the next 3. He had a tounge tie too that wasnt snipped until 5 weeks. It was taking me 10min PLUS per nipple per feed to latch him and i was crying over him in the night because he'd be hungry and he just wouldnt open his freaking mouth. He was making a zoolander face at the nipple and i don't think i ever saw a big open mouth like you're supposed to. Oh and once latched he'd pull back squirm and slide off so he was just sucking on the tip again, repeat said battle with latch, it was mental tourture!

I have no advice at all except keep trying and as he gets bigger it'll be easier. The tounge snip definatly helped us - though word of warning, it means he kind of has to learn to latch and suck all over again with this weird tounge that moves differently so it might be harder for a short time. And he sucked harder too which gave you the new tender breastfeeding nipple thing again.

You're doing really really well to be going for a month already, don't give up, it will get better.

Oh, and whats your LC like? I spent one day after being discharged in the hospital so i could ding her for every feed (though that might not be possible for you with a little one to care for as well!) and then i called her to the house for a feed a day for the next week after that. She probably hates me - but i needed it.

ETA: just realised i didnt answer the question just rambled about myself, sorry was going for a empathetic/solidarity angle!

You're probably already trying these things but hand express a little so you start the milk dripping and it falls onto his mouth and hopefully start him opening his mouth and looking for more. Then

Edited by bowie]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:19:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297961&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297961 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297944&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297944 Author: Nothing
Subject: 38621
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 10:01am

I have no help except this link to a blog that I read. Might be some helpful info on how to get him to latch and stay latched. Good luck and keep perservering, you are doing so well to get so far. I would be calling the paed for the referall about the tongue tie, keep on at them until you get seen- its the only way ]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:01:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297944&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297944 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297911&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297911 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 38621
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 9:24am

*hugs* Lisa! They really need to get their A's into G with that tongue tie issue!

Im not really sure what can help but I found this link from the LLL about breastfeeding and tongueties, it might help you.

Link]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 09:24:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297911&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297911 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297867&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297867 Author: Babykatnz
Subject: 38621
Posted: 02 April 2011 at 8:32am

Me again... although this may end up being my last call for help if D has anything to do with it

How do I get baby interested in latching on (with aid of nipple shield, tongue tie still not sorted yet) when I am still required to top-up with a bottle?? It has gotten to the stage where he fights me constantly while latched on, and I end up having to express what i can and give it to him in a bottle for fear of him not gaining enough weight (we are still playing catch up, at 1 month old he has only just reached birth weight again as of yesterday) since we have to see paed again on Wednesday after being admitted to hospital for low weight gains (hence the constant top-ups!)... so until his weight is at an acceptable range for age, I cant try going cold turkey on bottles right now

I've tried using a lactaid (tube that goes from supplement down to nipple where the suck through tube and nipple at same time) but catch 22 is that it doesnt work with a shield... and referral to get tongue tie sorted is still not coming back with an appt time, so i have no 'goal' to work towards in regards to how long til we can start trying to get him latched on 'normally'

Supply isnt an issue (I dont think?) as i am leaking about an hour after feeding, and am full by the time his next feed is due (3-4 hours), unfortunately it doesnt matter what time of day, or how long after feeds I express, I'm not responding too well to pumps (have an avent manual, and am using a hospital grade Medela pump, both get the same results in the same amount of time), I always get off app 30-40ml each time, whether I'm feeling full or not. I'd have to pump hourly for 24 hours to get enough milk to be able to feed him on EBM alone! JIC it IS a supply issue, I am taking blessed thistle, domperidone and milk flow capsules, and have been chowing down on lactation cookies (been eating 3 or 4 every day, prob not so good for my hips but BF was more important!)

help???]]> Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:32:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=38621&PID=1297867&title=need-help-with-bfing#1297867