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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : oops, i never minded the taste,...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=682">Bizzy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 July 2005 at 10:46am<br /><br />oops, i never minded the taste, quite liked it as a morning drink hot.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : See Cider vinegar rocks! Yay....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=404">Delaneyhoes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 July 2005 at 6:48pm<br /><br />See Cider vinegar rocks! Yay. Shame about the taste tho!!]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : Cider vinegar is also really good...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2571">tafs</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 July 2005 at 8:47am<br /><br /><P>Cider vinegar is also really good for heart burn &amp; acid reflux, only problem is you are supposed to have 1 teaspoon neat.&nbsp; <IMG src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0">&nbsp;</P><P>Comvita make one that has honey in it and that tastes a bit nicer than plain version.</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : re the cider vinegar and honey...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=682">Bizzy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 July 2005 at 8:33am<br /><br />re the cider vinegar and honey - is supposed to be a weight loss aid also...<br />and peeing in the shower may help if sore.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : I had my doctor for all three...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=877">nuttymama</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2005 at 8:16am<br /><br />I had my doctor for all three of my births,  I'm the same as neeno she delivered my first and I just felt better having a doctor there and for the others I figured why change, she was wonderful, did feel guilty calling her out at 11pm for my second.  I'm glad I have finished having babies though as she is quitting maternity this year due to time retraints and wanting a life.( she runs a full practice as well)  She is one of only 7 GPs that still deliver babies in CHCH.  ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : hhhmm that&amp;#039;s interesting...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2005 at 10:11pm<br /><br />hhhmm that's interesting stuff.  maybe is has something to do with acidity?]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : The best advice I can give is...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=404">Delaneyhoes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2005 at 9:58pm<br /><br />The best advice I can give is drink Cider vinegar and honey! I discovered this just after I had my first son. I got a tear - quite a nasty one and it was really really painful to pee. I was given cider vinegar and honey to drink and I never looked back. Nothing I had tried until then worked, drinking the ural drink or even pouring warm water on myself while going to the toilet! <br />Also drinking it helped with not getting engorged when my milk came in. I am not sure what it is about Cider vinegar and honey but it works a treat(also good for colds). <br />I have since used it after my second son and this time after the twins and I have had no problems at all and I have had enough milk to feed an army!<br />Just one capful of cider vinegar and a teaspoon of honey in a cup of hot water. ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : Here you go roksana, and other...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2005 at 1:59pm<br /><br />Here you go roksana, and other mums to be - hope these things help!!! bump!!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 October 2004 at 11:53am<br /><br />oh thats somthing new, i didnt know that GPs didnt deliver anymore....  when it comes to all that sort of stuff im quite shy!! even though i have a best GP ever i wouldnt want him to deliver my baby... i dont know its like a male female thing,  also dont want a hdge support party there either i'll just have my sis husband and mum. ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : i think everyone gets to the point...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 October 2004 at 10:15am<br /><br />i think everyone gets to the point in labour where they think, nup, i'm not doing this.. i can't.  for me it was the pushing part. i remember telling my midwife that i can't do it, lol and i got annoyed because she left during a contraction and all i had was mike.. who was nice, but not at all helpful. lol.  maybe might try being more upright this time instead of lying down.. might be quicker too.<br /><br />with the gp thing, i think in palmy there are only 2 gps who still do deliveries, other than you either have your specialist, your midwife or the hospital midwives.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : My GP was great during my pregnancy...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 October 2004 at 11:24pm<br /><br />My GP was great during my pregnancy too. I can relate to the low pain barrier Neeno - I am a full on sook! I was such a martyr in labour - ohhhh! I can't do this etc. The works! My midwife was like "it's a bit late now, just get on with it" lol!<br />But Maya is the best reward ever. I think too that I had a very difficult pregnancy, and a long labour, but the actual birth was very easy, I had no stitches and recovered very quickly afterwards, plus Maya was an easy, placid baby who settled well. So I think that was to make up for the horrible pregnancy and labour.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=36">AlyAyde</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 October 2004 at 9:38pm<br /><br />Yep, they just usually have the hospital team of midwives.  Or they may have been reffered to an obstitrician.  There are very few GPs who deliver babys nowdays as they don't really have the time to leave their practices or to be called out in the middle of the night, its a shame really.  My GP is awesome I would have loved it if she could deliver my children.  But she does give me free checks all through my pregnancy as well as my midwife, which is nice.  ]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : well Maria actually when i try...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 October 2004 at 6:33pm<br /><br />well Maria actually when i try to discuss the birth with my midwife she just says "we'll leave it to when we do the birth plan" so i havnt.  thats why i wannted a hospital birth because doctors are everywhere in hospitals at least i know that im with safe hands there. <br /><br />Hey what about the women who dont have midwifes... who gets involed then?  maybe just the people at the hospital]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : Hey Neeno have you discussed your...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=36">AlyAyde</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 October 2004 at 5:38pm<br /><br />Hey Neeno have you discussed your birth with your midwife?  just wondering because you mentioned that you would want a doctor in the room.  They don't usually get involved unless there is complications anyway.  Its usually just your midwife and your support crew!  Unless you have a home birth then there is two midwives for the final stage.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : the birthing center my midwife...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 October 2004 at 4:43pm<br /><br />the birthing center my midwife works at.. its sooooo nice i mean comparing to the hospital anyway, i wish i could have my baby there but i dont think i would feel safe, i would want other doctors in the room aswell, not just my midwife i mean ofcourse shes done it a million times befor but hey... im just one of those who cant take pain very well and are sceard of everything!<br /><br />i think your a real wonder women Emma... i mean any women being in labour for that long should be rewarded, and in a way they do, your so happy with maya. and i know no matter how long it takes me i'll get rewarded for that.<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif" border="0"><br /><br />im due in november 18th so yeah not long to go.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[after the birth?.. : I went to hospital after 31 hours....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 October 2004 at 3:53pm<br /><br />I went to hospital after 31 hours. Contractions started at 4pm on Wed and I went at 11pm on Thursday. Even then I lied to my midwife - she said no hospital till the contractions were 5mins apart, and at this stage they were still irrgular, but I rang her and said they were 5mins apart because I couldn't handle the pain anymore and I was scared and tired.<br />I was 5cm when I got to the hospital, but my labour still progressed really slowly so I had syntocinon to speed it up.<br />I'm glad I went to the hospital when I did. Up until a couple of hours before I went i was still walking around my house normally, I even went to the supermarket in my pyjamas lol. But I went to hospital when I felt I needed to.<br />I remember in antenatal classes they  said that the midwife won't let labour go on more than 12 hours, but they got around that with me by saying that my labour hadn't started till my midwife broke my waters at 1am Friday. I remember being all excited on the Wed that I was going to have a baby in the next 12 hours, not even lol! But now I know for next time...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=36">AlyAyde</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 October 2004 at 3:24pm<br /><br />I went to hospital after being at home about 24 hours.  I wish i had gone to hospital sooner as their spa bath was heaven on my back.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=682">Bizzy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 October 2004 at 3:11pm<br /><br />i was induced so was in hospital from word go - i wish that i had had the opportunity to wake my hubby in the middle of the night and experience it all naturally - i had planned to stay at home as long as possible.  But thats the way it goes i spose, baby was healthy and all went well in the end and thats what matters.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 October 2004 at 2:52pm<br /><br />oh yeah, hey, have you considered the birthing cetre anyway? i mean, usually if anything is starting to look like its heading down a bad path.. they will transfer you to the hospital.  if it makes you feel better then go with it.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 October 2004 at 2:51pm<br /><br />lol.  just try and stay home as long as you can, and check in with your midwife regularly.. she'll probably come and check you a few times in the early stages to see how you are doing.  <br /><br />home definately calms you down.. then you can go to hospital to have it and you'll still feel safe.  i just remember that as soon as i got into that hospital i felt like my whole body tensed up, and i felt nervous.. here was this unfamiliar place, with everything painted white, and a clock on the wall in front of you reminding you how long you'd been there everytime you looked at it.  for a place that is supposed to help you feel good giving birth, it certainly isn't very cosy and nice!<br /><br />how much onger do you have to go? it can't be very long at all now?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 October 2004 at 8:10am<br /><br />i was thinking the same... <br />when im giving birth i need to be able to be at a place where their fully ready, i was thinking to do it at a birthing center because there sooooo much better looking then hospitals and there baths are like hudge spas!! and nice big rooms with sofas and all, but they dont have epidural there and i deninfitly know that i dont want one..... <br />But what if i do when the time comes i mean when your in labour and nothings really happening im sure you just want it out of there. so it puts my mind at ease to know that im in a place where everything is there if i need it.... <br /><br />so i guess its the yukky hospital for me...... just in case anything gos upside down<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley22.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 October 2004 at 9:02pm<br /><br />i got there in time to push, put as i've said, i had to push for 2 hours.  definately know to ring my midwife a bit earlier this time. although, i liked being at home, it calmed me down for the first while, it's only when i felt like things were happening and my midwife had said she wouldn't be there for another half hour that i got a bit worried. <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0"><br /><br />i can definately see why people like home births, if your pregnancy has been all good and baby is looking to be in a good position and all that then it would probably be awesome to be able to cuddle up in your own bed instead of those uncomfy hospital thingies, but i think for the main event i like to feel that everything is right there if anything goes wrong, so hospital it is for me, maybe i might get to use the spa bath this time, i mean, since only 10% of people's water's break first, the odds are pretty good that it won't happen to me again. (is that good or bad?). <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0">  ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 October 2004 at 6:02pm<br /><br />Oh gosh, Neeno, I'm not trying to frighten you! Maya's arrival wasn't all together unexpected.<br />I told my midwife in the morning that I was going to have the baby soon (I had crampy tummy etc.), and she said it was unlikely, but that afternoon I went into labour. But you're so right Janine, it never happens like in the movies. And I had plenty of time to get to the hospital with my labour LOL!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 October 2004 at 5:34pm<br /><br />lol.. i think most first timers think that.. "what if my waters break, argh?!" cos thats the way it ALWAYS happens on tv, and in movies.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br /><br />but in real life, less than 10% of labours start off with waters breaking, the rest usually start with contractions.. and there will be other signs you will notice.. maybe a show, or you get a really upset tummy, or maybe you just wanna do heaps of cleaning and get everything prepared.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;i can assure you, that 9 times out of 10 you will have some inkling that maybe baby will come in the next few days.  and by that time, you will probably want to be nice and comfy at home! ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 October 2004 at 4:45pm<br /><br />oh gosh 2 weeks early.. this is the only thing im thinking about and im so sceard!!  having a baby early and not really expecting it, what if im in the middle of a shower or out in town and my waters break <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0"> its so scary!  and i havnt even made a birth plan yet and i think ive only got 5 weeks to go.<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif" border="0"> <br /><br />but hey babies come when they wanna, and im sure not many people expect that "oh i think im going to have a baby today"... they are always one or 2 days here and there]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 October 2004 at 1:11pm<br /><br />Dont panic too much Neeno - I'm a freak of nature - 41 hours and a 9lb1oz baby born 2 weeks early. It's not normal LOL!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=67">lou</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 October 2004 at 10:20am<br /><br />At least with number you have a better idea of what to expect, and so can be better mentally prepared]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=36">AlyAyde</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 October 2004 at 8:17am<br /><br />Thanks Emma, Glad to be the gunie pig (sp).  NOT!  Hopefully your right though and this one wont be posterior.  Im trying to sit up properly all the time and not slouch.  ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 October 2004 at 7:08am<br /><br />wowwwww 41 hours with maya.... that must have been sooo hard!! i wish im as lucky as those other girls who have 3-5 hour labour even better 1!!, but hey thats only for the lucky ones lets not get our hopes up. i'll just stay kool and calm and see wht happens<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 October 2004 at 9:14pm<br /><br />Hey Maria, i read somewhere that second babies are less likely to posterior present. That's got to be good news for us doesn't it lol. But seriously, I'll see how you go before I decide whether to have any more LOLOL!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 October 2004 at 8:30pm<br /><br />Paris' wasn't too bad, but did feel very intense.. especially because i was in transition by the time i got to the hospital.. and elevators make contractions feel worse i can tell you that! didn't need any helping hand, .  I've heard that with your second labour instead of effacing, and then dilating, your body does both at the same time.. but also i have heard that pushing can take less time too.  I think i would go crazy if i had a long labour. <br /><br />One of my sister's is really fast, maybe that's why she has 5 children? lol. her first was 6 hours, next was 3, next was 3 again, then 2, and the with the last one, we took her up to the hospital at about 9.30pm, by 11 pm she had rung to say she had the baby a while ago and that she would come and pick up her girl that we were babysitting as soon as they let her out.  by midnight she was at our place picking up her 3 year old.  i hope that i am like her!<br /><br />only thing i worry about with this one is maybe i won't be able to stay at home quite as long.. i mean if its night time or weekend then paris would be at home.. and i don't think i want her being nosy.. i like to be left alone in labour.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=67">lou</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 October 2004 at 6:48pm<br /><br />My labour with Sophie was 7 1/2 hours, and it felt too short.  It scares me to think it could be half that length next time.  I don't think I would want to go too far from home]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=36">AlyAyde</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 October 2004 at 6:34pm<br /><br />Me too!  Apparently you have a shorter begining period but its more intense.  Ha ha will let you know<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 October 2004 at 6:25pm<br /><br />i had 41 hours with Maya - little monkey was posterior and turned while i was in labour. I still had to have my waters broken and syntocinon to speed it up. So I hope that it is halved with the next one, or even quartered LOL!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=698">Xander&Harmony</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 October 2004 at 2:29pm<br /><br /><IMG src="//server-nz.imrworldwide/cgi-bin/mci=nz-ohbaby&amp;cg=0" border="0"> and even then my labour had to get a helping hand from my midwife!!! She had to break my waters and do that sweep thingy to get things movin!!</NO><!-- END RedMeasure V5 --><!-- Web Wiz Forums ver. 7.01 is written and produced by Bruce Corkhill ©2001-2003     	If you want your own Forum then goto http://www.webwizforums.com --><LINK href="includes/default_style.css" type=text/css rel=stylesheet target="_blank">]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=698">Xander&Harmony</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 October 2004 at 2:27pm<br /><br /><IMG src="//server-nz.imrworldwide/cgi-bin/mci=nz-ohbaby&amp;cg=0" border="0"> wow sounds like some of u had short labours.mine was 18 1/2 hours (Very tiring).I have heard that with each subsequent pregnancy the labour time gets halved!! Dont no how much truth there is to that theory tho?</NO><!-- END RedMeasure V5 --><!-- Web Wiz Forums ver. 7.01 is written and produced by Bruce Corkhill ©2001-2003     	If you want your own Forum then goto http://www.webwizforums.com --><LINK href="includes/default_style.css" type=text/css rel=stylesheet target="_blank">]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 October 2004 at 9:55pm<br /><br />i was only 5 hours.. my waters broke and that was it.. nothing before that at all. had 2 hours of pushing though.. that was not nice.. far too long. would be nice to have about the same length for this one, (but shorter pushing stage i hope).. any quicker and i'm worried it would be too intense too quickly, or maybe an unplanned homebirth..lol?.<br /><br />On the subject of stealing the show... every morning since paris is a late sleeper, and well, i spose we aren't organised lol.. (its actually easier this way anyway) she has her morning bottle at home, but has her breakfast at ucol.  we have an hour to kill from the time we get a ride to town with mike, until she needs to be at daycare and me at class.  so i take her up to the nursing student lounge.. by the nursing lecturers office.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;they all love her, every morning they come and talk to her, and she is cheeky.. now she waves to them. when we were away last week and when i was on study leave they all said they missed her so much. this morning one of them opened the door to come out, just as paris was being noisy and cheery.. and she turns to the other ladies in the office and goes "hey, yay, our babie's back"  its kinda kool really.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 October 2004 at 5:57pm<br /><br />yeah, another friend rang me at 3.45 am to say she was going to hospital and rang back at 5am after she had her son. It was her third tho.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 October 2004 at 3:52pm<br /><br />owwww thats so cute.. i love how kids just get the attension from other adults! its just like buying a new item and showing it off but only better!... Emma if you think thats easiy my friend just had a baby and it only took her 1 hour........ i wish im that Lucky!!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 October 2004 at 10:06am<br /><br />I wish I had been able to switch to the bottle - would have made life soooo much easier, but my little monkey thought milk only came from one place... In the end we had to put her in hospital to wean her, and I had to be in another room while the nurses forcefed her...<br />But I loved showing her off at uni. Another girl in my class had a baby 6 weeks earlier, so we swapped stories etc. (she had it easy - 6 hour labour, 6lb baby grrrr!)Even now, when I go to alumnae functions etc. I take Maya with me and she steals the show...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=773">niki.knowles</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 October 2004 at 10:04am<br /><br />I did my nursing training with a girl who put her baby into daycare at six weeks old, and she seemed to have no problems with feeding, bonding etc.  She had to swap to the bottle when we were on clinicals but she was so aware of spending time with her daughter and bonding with her, that she made such an effort.  I'm sure you will have no problems Janine, and in the long run you will be doing the kids a favor and be such a great role model!  You can always cut down on work once you're graduated.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 October 2004 at 6:04am<br /><br />yeah actually its really nice and surprising how supportive people can be at uni or tech!!  there always happy as long as you have done your work, assingments and so on.  <br />at uni we have a daycare center so it would be real easy to pop in and get some time with baby, i cant wait to show her off to friends there!<br />Everyone loves kids!! (well most people anyway)<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=564">lizzle</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 October 2004 at 9:46pm<br /><br />We live sooooo far from all grandparents....but thanks to the internet, web cams and digi-cams, we'll try and keep everyone up to date.  Actually, the lovely thing was when one of my older lady friends, who doesn't have nay children of her own, offered to be the "surrogate grandmother" while we're overseas.  ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 October 2004 at 4:29pm<br /><br />Hey Janine, I used to go over and breastfeed Maya at the daycare, and they were great about it. Also, I told my teachers before classes started that I would need to leave a few minutes early/arrive a few mins late as I would be feeding, and they were fine with it. I was amazed how supportive everyone was. I did 4 papers (fulltime) and I look back and think I must have been INSANE but it was so geat to be finally finished.<br />I'm sure you'll be fine!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=763">Nicky08</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 October 2004 at 1:53pm<br /><br />I think grandparents are the best ever, i see my mum and her husband with my nephew and they absolutely love having him, and he loves coming to grannys house. My dad has only seen his only grandchild about 3 times, and has'nt done anything for him. me and my brother took my nephew to see my dad, and he did'nt really seem interested at all,all he wanted to do was talk to my brother, he did'nt even hold his grandchild! Its such a shame when they cant interact with there own grandchildren]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 October 2004 at 11:53am<br /><br />definately neeno - go to as many playgroups as you can.. paris was so painfully shy before starting daycare.. now she is GREAT! interaction with other kids and adults is very important.<br /><br />I will have 1 year left once baby is born.. but it will be full time, not like the part time i am doing now..  am going to try and breastfeed for the first few months.. many other students and lecturers go over at morning tea and lunch breaks etc to feed their babies.  will have the first few months to bond anyway because of study leave. however am unsure of how i will cope when i am on placement at hospital when baby is around 12 weeks old.. can't really leave to go feed when i am up there. that may be when i give the bottle.. at least it will have had the first few months breastfeeding.<br /><br />Paris loves her nana (my mum), as soon as we drie down nana's street she starts getting really excited saying nana nana.  if i take too long getting her out of her carseat when we get there then i get in big trouble.  its so neat.  mikes parents we see probably about once a fortnight, briefly when we call into his dads work.. but they dont pick her up or have any bond with her really - but thats ok, she has her special nana, and special aunty in hamilton.<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 October 2004 at 1:07pm<br /><br />im so happy that me and my husband zaf live with our mom and dad, zafs parents are overseas so i think that its gonna be really speical for my baby to bond with grandma and grandpa.<br />its going to make my life so easy mums there to help me with baby and me and zaf can leave the baby with them when we go out.<br /><br />i dotn have to look for a nanny or daycare for my baby because, the best people are there to look after her.... my parents!  but at the same time i think its nice for babys to interact with other babys their age, it gives them so many skills and makes their brain think! its actually good for them.<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 October 2004 at 9:56am<br /><br />Janine, you'll do whats best for you and your kids. It was so hard putting Maya in daycare at 5 mths, I felt like a horrible mother for abandoning her, but now she loves it o much she won't even kiss me goodbye. And you're so right about the money thing, it isn't everything, but it is when you don't have it! Plus, Paris is aready in daycare, which will give you some peace of mind about leaving the new baby there too.<br />Good luck with your midwife appt.<br /><br />PS.Maya has no paternal g/parents, they have both died, but we stay with my parents about 4 times a year for a few weeks, and it is such precious time for them, and for Maya. They spoil her rotten. We just got back on Wed, and my mum is so crushed that Maya has gone, they love having her around (they don't miss the 6am starts tho!)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=67">lou</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 October 2004 at 8:48am<br /><br />Sophie's Grandparents live 5 and 7 hours away, but we try to go and visit them as often as we can.  Kerry's parents, the furtherest away are thinking of moving closer to chch which will be nice.<br /><br /><br />Hi Janine - I imagine it will be really hard having to put baby in child care from an early age.  How far will you be from finishing your course?  I guess when you are finished you will be able to spend more time with both your kids.  Remember there are lots of ways you can improve the bonding with your baby when you're not there all day.  Suggestions I've heard are:  sleeping with your baby and using a sling and carrying them around lots.  As least the new baby will have a big sister to watch out fir it.  I bet Paris will be a great big sister]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 October 2004 at 8:27am<br /><br />i think its a bit sad how kids dont know their grandparents... or they cant get to know them, coz grandpas and grandmas are always soooo kool for the young kids and they get alot of memories to cherish when they get older!<br /><br />i wish i knew my grandparents, im upset till this day that i didnt get the chance.<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 October 2004 at 8:18pm<br /><br />i feel a bit the same with putting paris in daycare.. and even more guilty now that the newbie will be in there so early.. but i am just so close to finishing my nursing.. then everything will be so much better financially.. money isn't everything, but it sure makes happier parents when you don't have to stress about it - and hopefully that makes happier kids too.<br /><br />am a bit annoyed with my dad, hasn't made an effort at all to get to know his grandaughter.. have given him plenty of chances.  he rung my mum last night to find out if it was true i was having #2.. not me.  fair enough he lives in whangarei and works heaps but none of his 10 grandkids know him, and its pretty sucky cos i've always tried to keep in touch so i thought maybe it might be different.  ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 October 2004 at 6:27pm<br /><br />I'm the same with my dad - we are far too much a like, and a lot of my problems as a teenager were me trying to get his attention. he was away a lot, and I resented that, and that he left my mum alone with 4 kids under 5. But since I've had Maya, he is absolutely besotted with her, and him and I have quite a healthy relationship. We can actually communicate without fights and tears. PLus, I kinda see where he was coming from with the whole work thing now that I am in the same situation, having to have time away from Maya so that I can work to give her nice things. I just hope I balance things a bit better than he did.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 October 2004 at 3:20pm<br /><br />my mum has her heart in the right place now, but all my sisters agree with me when i say that when you lived at home it was horrible.  you couldn't talk to her, she made you feel like she didn't trust you, always wanting to know EVERY detail.  It just made me feel like i didn't want to tell her anything, because i felt that she would just yell and get angry.. so i kept things from her. luckily i had 3 older sisters who had been thru the same who i could talk to.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br /><br />she is a great nana though, and after i had paris i think i would have gone completely nuts if she hadn't come round every day and did the washing and stuff for me.  <br /><br />funny, when i lived at home i couldn't ever see myself being friends with my mum, now i don't think i would have it any other way.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 October 2004 at 9:37pm<br /><br />My mum is so great. She suffered thru so much with me as a teenager - I was horrible like you wouldn't believe. But I think I am a good mother because I had a good mother - I hope Maya trusts me the way I trust my mum. I knew mum would be upset when I got preg, but I told her the first day I found out, and she was disappointed, but she was still there for me thru the whole thing.<br />That's what I hope for Mona too, that she trusts me enough to tell me what's going on with her. ATM tho, I think she's really caught up in being a kid/teenager, and mums are so uncool!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 October 2004 at 3:14pm<br /><br />your right janine. <br />Me and my mother are best friends and there is hardly anything i cant tell her, shes made it so easy for me to come up to her, tell her whats going on and ask her for advice, because i know that she'll listen to what i have to say and then even if she is upset she wouldnt go crazy... <br />shes always been there for me and has givin me lots of support though my highschool years that finished last year and so whenever she set down rules for me i would do as she said because i knew what she was saying was right and she would explain herself fully as to why she would and wouldnt let me do the things i wannted.<br /><br />it hasnt always been easy to tell her everything but when i entered highschool she really made it clear that she was there to help and not to judge or go crazy, so i learnt to trust her as a best friend<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 October 2004 at 11:19am<br /><br />thats exactly like my sis.. would do anything to stay popular.. people are really mean to her, then the next day shes all friends with them again.  I am sure that you can provide more support and guidance than what my mum does for my sister though.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;just try and be there and let her know that she can talk to you without you going nuts at her.. that way hopefully she will come to you for advice and actually listen to what you say.<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 October 2004 at 10:19am<br /><br />I have this paranoia about Mona getting pregnant. Not now, but when she is 13, 14, 15. She's really immature emotionally, she would so not cope, but at the same time, I can't watch her 24-7. Our doctor is also concerned, she doesn't know how to say no, and she really wants to keep her friends happy, so if a guy said let's do it, she probably would.<br />She has a really unrealistic idea about having a baby too - she thinks her dad and I will look after it, that she'll get to leave school and stay home with it etc. etc. Having Maya in the house did put her off a bit tho..]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 October 2004 at 9:22pm<br /><br />that sounds like fun <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0"> <br /><br />i want to assure you that she should grow out of it...<br />but my little sister still packs major tantrums now, and she turn 16 tomorrow.. all the pregnancy hormones have made her soooo much worse.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 October 2004 at 7:42pm<br /><br />I don't know what she thinks about looking older, but I know she likes to think she IS older. I buy most of her clothes from the Warehouse. She's in adult sizes now, so I just buy jeans, trackpants, and sweatshirts etc. I don't want her looking like an overdressed doll, and she is a bit of a tomboy anyway.<br />But it does get soooo frustrating sometimes - all her hormones are in overdrive like she's 16, but her brain is not mature enough to cope, so she has wicked tantrums etc. Little kids tantrums are easier - at least you can pick them up and move them. Mona sits in the middle of the floor and screams and I can't lift her anymore.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 October 2004 at 5:55pm<br /><br />Wow i wonder how you must handle that one Emma, dose she like the fact that she looks older and taller?<br /><br />Pagani and Glassons are really classy i love shopping there for myself! <br />my ones are gonna shop there when there old enough to fit into their clothing, but untill then i must find another nice kids shop. with decent clothing!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;im talking wayyyyyy ahead of myself here]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 October 2004 at 10:51pm<br /><br />That's a scary situation because even though she might think she wants to dress up her "assets".. having a body that makes you look older than you are puts you at risk of getting into situations that even a 16 year old would find hard to get out of.. but an 11 yr old just isn't equipped to have to handle.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br /><br />The scariest thing is, it's the children's stores that encourage this, eg HBK and all that..  its nice to know now that Pagani and Glassons stock smaller sizes.. of much classier clothing that's still trendy.. so they can dress up nicely without looking skanky. I think I'd rather Paris shops there once she is big enough.. until then, I will be choosing her clothes for her, and very carefully too!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 October 2004 at 9:48am<br /><br />My 11 year old went thru puberty very young, she got her period at 9. She looks a lot older than she actually is, which puts her in such a tough position. People always think ofg her as older than she is, and she wants to wear all the same clothes her friends are wearing, but I don't want her dressed up like a 16 year old. It's such a tough one. She's got an 11 year old mind in a 20 year old body.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 September 2004 at 6:22pm<br /><br />You are soooo right Emma about the mary-kate and ashly logo!.....<br />those girls are 18 now and the cloths that they wear are so not suitable for 7-10 year old kids, the age group set for there things are 7-10, i dont know about you guys but ive never seen a 7-10 year old girl wearing a g-string, i personaly i dont think i would want to either...<br />boob tubes, tight jeans, padded bras and makeup... arint those things mainly to attract the oppt sex and honestly i dont think that 7-10 year old girls should even think about the oppt sex.  its too early for them, these days girls cant be innocent anymore there always trying to be "sexier".  not that theres ANYTHING sexy about a girl that age anyway!! <br /><br />i am so not old fashion, im still a teenager but i dont remember myself talking about g-strings and bras 8 years ago, i didnt even know what a g-string was untill age 12.<br />honestly when i saw that mary-kate and ashley g i was shocked!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 September 2004 at 3:03pm<br /><br />exactly. and Emma, i know what you mean.  wait till you get find yourself saying something to maya that your mum maybe said to you..<br /><br />my mum always used to tell my sister (who was a complete terror when she was little) that one day she would grow up and have a child just a much of a handful as her, and then she would understand why mum did the things she did.  my sister found herself saying that to her daughter one day and thought "i sound like mum, and now i really do know just how she felt" its a bit of a giggle]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=67">lou</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 September 2004 at 8:25am<br /><br />Kids just don't get a chance to be kids anymore.  Advertisers/media put all the wrong ideals in their heads (and often ours too) just to get a sale.  The biggest challenge for us as parents is installing better values in our kids.  I want Sophie to know she is special just as she is, not because of the clothes she wears and what other people think]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 September 2004 at 12:00pm<br /><br />I'm definitely not old fashioned, but I totally agree.<br />Sometimes I think I sound like my mother...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=682">Bizzy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 September 2004 at 10:17am<br /><br />you have to blame the media partly... look how they portray youth now.. i saw a mum and her daughter in farmers the other day, mum was in her late 30's duaghter looked about 8 - they were wearing matching colours and both had a ton of makeup on... the daughter was prancing around like she was 20 odd.. i was disgusted.  I play hop scotch with my niece (shes nine now) and no way would i go out with her wearing anything i thought inappropriate, and i never considered myself old fashioned either. sigh..  <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 September 2004 at 10:06am<br /><br />yep - one day you just look around, and you have all these responsibilities all of a sudden, a job, the rent the bills.. and you think "I'm too little for this!"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm the same as you lizzle.. i hate saying "in my day"  but i definately think that childhood should be an innocent time, not having to worry what you wear, if you look right, if you have the next "in" toy.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I still love elastics, knuckle bones, hula hoops and board games..  and so do my neices.. because i have brought them for them. and the best thing is they are so much cheaper than the latest craze... and they are played with for much longer too.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 September 2004 at 2:29pm<br /><br />My 11 year old has a different boyfriend every week, and even tho I know it's not serious, even the thought of it makes me wish I could protect her from the big bad world. She's like I was - in such a hurry to grow up. You don't realise till you are grown up that it's not actually all that much fun!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=564">lizzle</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 September 2004 at 2:23pm<br /><br />some of the way the kids dress is really disgusting.  I'm 26 and I feel so old saying "in my day...."!!  But the way some of the kids dress really is appalling.  In japan, some of the mothers dye their kids hair...at 3 or 4 years old!  And dress them up like dolls with designer gear.  Don't get me started on hipster jeans!!!!<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 September 2004 at 8:44am<br /><br />I have a thing about MaryKate and Ashley. I won't let Mona wear their clothes. I think they are so over the top for the age group they are targeted at, I mean, how many 7 year olds actually need bras? They just want to copy what they see around them on TV and in magazines. I think kids grow up way too fast, at 7 I don't think I even knew what a bra was!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 September 2004 at 8:39pm<br /><br />parenthood certainly makes you think differently.  for instance... how many hubbies and boyfriends out there perve at nice looking girlies when you drive or walk past them?  these days, girls are dressing up so much older, and acting so much older than they actually are.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I brought mike down to earth soon after Paris was born.  i noticed him admiring a couple of girls, who would have been about 17..  which fair enough, was only 3 or 4 years younger than us. but, i said to him "just think, in 15 years time, that will probably be your daughter.." it made him really think, and now he is so concious of it. he's absolutely disgusted.. as i'm sure most people are, when he sees a child, of maybe no more than 9 or 10 years old, dressed in a tiny tank top, skirt so short it's a belt, and face plastered with make-up.. acting out and flirting with boys.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;fair enough, maybe when we were younger people maybe looked at some of the things we did and didn't agree with them.. but it really worries me.  if this is what our girls are being encouraged to look and act like now..... what will it be like when MY daughter gets there.. and how can i be a fair parent yet still keep her decency and morals intact?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 September 2004 at 9:31am<br /><br />How emotional parents can get at times, Now i understand why my parents didnt always let me do the things i wannted even thou baby isnt here yet.. i can understand how frightend they were to let me go. im only 18 i still would never be able to know what they feel untill i reach there point with my babies to come.<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley27.gif" border="0"> <br /><br />i think all you mums out there should get an award and a pat on the back!! i chearsh you all<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0"><img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=36">AlyAyde</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 September 2004 at 12:27pm<br /><br />Bummer,  I usually tape it and forgot last night.  Grr i knew there was something i was ment to do.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=682">Bizzy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 September 2004 at 8:11am<br /><br />My husband was the same last night when we watched william and mary... it  makes me cry every time i watch it, and last night was really sad and my hubby said when your own baby is sleeping in his room you feel these things more...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 September 2004 at 9:02pm<br /><br />I know exactly what you mean, mike actually really surprised me the other night, we watched that film "a beautiful mind" and there was a scene where the baby nearly could have drowned. it upset him heaps, he said he all of a sudden just thought "what if that was my child?"  when you're a parent i think alot of things really hit you alot more than maybe they used to.  before i had paris i thought i would like to work in paediatrics.. but now, no way.. i couldn't handle dealing with little babies and children when they were that sick.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 September 2004 at 6:25pm<br /><br />I'm lucky - I've got a sleeping beauty wit hhardly any sleep worries!<br />But on ths subject of  bonding, I was babysitting last night until 1am, and I was watching really bad reruns of Law and Order, Chicago Hope etc. on Foxtel and all these babies were being killed or dying, and I pined so much for Maya. As soon as I got home I went into her room and just stood there staring at how perfect and beautiful she is. I can't imagine losing her, I don't think I could stand it. <br />Sorry, just got a bit sentimental!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 September 2004 at 12:15pm<br /><br />yeah you cant always have everything easy with babies,  i think that the hard things really give a speical bond later on in life with your baby.  althoguh i would mind having a sleeping beauty princess.<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 September 2004 at 8:52pm<br /><br />i know - the guy always comes to mow our lawns when paris is asleep.. they must have some kind of 6th sense lol.  she's always been pretty easy to get to sleep, but i think that's good, because i had so many problems with feeding that it was nice to be cut some slack in the sleep area. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=265">melz</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 September 2004 at 12:53pm<br /><br />Angie was a horrific sleeper, in getting her to sleep, but once she was down we could vacuum in her room and she wouldn't move.  Think mum2paris is right, just start as you mean to go on.  I stayed with mum for a bit after Angie was born so there was me, mum, her husband, my little sister plus my big sister coming over most nights after work as well as my husband coming when he wasn't working.  She never had it quiet but is great now as the lawnmower man ALWAYS comes when she is asleep!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=36">AlyAyde</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 September 2004 at 12:35pm<br /><br />you lucky thing Emma im so envious!<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 September 2004 at 12:16pm<br /><br />I'm in Sydney and it's going to be 27 degrees here today, hot and sunny. YAY!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 September 2004 at 11:53am<br /><br />Here in Hamilton its really sunny, but man thers sooooo much wind feel as thoue the trees are gonna fall.<br /><br />i guess everyones babys are different, i'll try to get her use to noise.. i would go crazy if my baby wakes to the sound of computer keys!!.<br />and as for vacumming WOW janine you really do have it all figurd out, your really lucky when. i have my baby i wish shes as settled as pairs.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 September 2004 at 10:55am<br /><br />i know, we had a few nice days the other week and now its back to being cold and yucky  - palmy weather is really crap.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=683">tash+bubby</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 September 2004 at 8:27am<br /><br />Thanks for all the useful info!<br />I will keep some of these things in mind!<br />God the weather is horrible here!<br />cant wait for summer!<br /><br /><br />Tash + bubby<br />-----------------<br />edd 19th nov 2004<br />-----------------<br /><br /><a href="http://www.babysfirstsite.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.babysfirstsite.org/newtickers/ticker/17961.birthdue.png" border="0"></a> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 September 2004 at 7:56pm<br /><br />paris likes being able to see out the window too.  and the motion is really good to get baby to sleep.  <br /><br />a bit of noise doesn't hurt .. if your baby learns to sleep with noises around, you are less likely to have them waking at the slightest whisper.  we can do the vacumming while paris is sleeping and she won't wake up.  when she's sleeping, from day one, we have always just done all our normal stuff, had the radio, tv, washing machine on..i mean we certainly don't go shouting, or anything like that but i think it keeps you sane when you don't have to tiptoe around.  <br /><br />my sister has always been the opposite, her husband and teenage son have got to the point where they don't watch tv, because while she is trying to get her son to sleep, (who is 2yrs old), and once he has fallen asleep, it has to be dead quiet, as in, the TV is turned down to around 4 or 5. her other son cannot go into his room next to the babies room, he has to turn off his computer cos its "too noisy" when he types.. if you cough or sneeze god help you. and any noise will wake the little one up. consequently she is still ruled by his sleep time and doesn't go out much, because he can't sleep anywhere but at home. she didn't even bring him to my daughters birthday because thats his sleep time. I think i would go nuts if that was me.  <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif" border="0"> <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif" border="0"> <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 September 2004 at 6:46pm<br /><br />Maya always loved the pram, but she hated the car. She would scream the entire time she was in her carseat, until she was old enough to be forward facing. Now she loves the car, she sits up and watches everything that's going on.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=36">AlyAyde</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 September 2004 at 3:52pm<br /><br />The noise in the womb is way more than the outside world.  They really settle more when there is a bit more noise rather than quiet.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=265">melz</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 September 2004 at 3:27pm<br /><br />Nope, Angie always loved being in her pram.  When she was a new baby she would fall asleep in the pram really quickly. Guess it was just the motion or something.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 September 2004 at 3:09pm<br /><br />when your walking your babys out.. dont they tend to cry alot because of the noise i mean it might all frighten them... did anyone experince that when you take your baby out for the first time walk...<br /><br />Not that i know im not a mum yet but it just came into my mind.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 September 2004 at 8:24pm<br /><br />Maya and I walk most days, it saves my sanity!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 September 2004 at 8:16pm<br /><br />especially when it gets warmer and daylight savings starts it is nice... we just used to bundle paris up in her buggy with the shade cover on, and as soon as mike got home from work we would go for an evening walk. it was so nice.. i was getting out of the house, with my partner and my baby, and it was a great way to unwind and talk about our days without too much interruption from her because she was content to just look all around, or fall asleep. also, so many other people in our neighbourhood were out and about walking or doing gardens etc.. good way to meet people near you.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=42">angel</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 September 2004 at 8:10pm<br /><br />Everyone gets the marshmellow tummy after your baby is born - heck you just removed 3 or 4 kilos in one go!! It does go away though <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=749">neeno</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 September 2004 at 5:57pm<br /><br />oh well so it is true... everyone gets a marshmellow tummy, oh well all the experinces do make us stronger i cant say im looking forward to it but hey, i really want this baby and getting a marshmellow tummy would be worth it at the end<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0"> <br /><br />i think that the walking thing would help too... it would let baby explore her/his Surroundings.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=682">Bizzy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 September 2004 at 4:53pm<br /><br />its the same as with all things tho, not every one gets mastitis... i had milk for africa and never had problems, but do know people who had lots, and i even know someone who had breast surgery (enlargements) who breast feeds..i didnt think that was possible...as for jelly belly - 10 mths on and i dont have jelly and i am not sure when it went, but definitley dont expect it to disappear overnight.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=464">Southlandmummy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 September 2004 at 3:45pm<br /><br />Ive heard all about the mastitis - only because my partner and parents are all dairy farmers so ive seen what it looks like in cows, and yeah it gets treated with penicillin - I guess its the same as humans!!<br /><br />Cheers]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=683">tash+bubby</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 September 2004 at 2:41pm<br /><br />Wow alot of interesting info!<br />Its nice to know what actully happens in the real world! <img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0"> <br /><br /><br />Tash + bubby<br />-----------------<br />edd 19th nov 04<br />-----------------]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=207">Maya</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 September 2004 at 10:50am<br /><br />Go the walking! Maya loves her pram so much that if I even mention a walk, she tries to get in the boot of the car to get the pram!<br />I had mastitis something chronic - 9 days in National Womens, and they even brought a breast specialist in from Auckland Hospital to see me 'coz I wasn't getting better. I got it because I had too much milk, so my midwife told me to express the extra and freeze it. Then Plunket said stop expressing, so I stopped, and within 24 hours I had mastitis.<br />You know if you've got it if you have a red sore patch on your boob, a fever, and feel achy or fluey. My temp got to 39.9 when I was in hospital and I was hallucinating. The best treatment is penicillin, which apparently works very quickly (I'm allergic<img border="0" src="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif" border="0"> ).<br />I was told that the best ways to avoid mastitis is to drain your breast completely at every feed (your midwife should show you how), and if you are full or sore to express a little bit by hand in the shower. Also if you get it they say it'sbest to keep breastfeeding as baby drains more effectively than a pump.<br />Hope this helps (and doesn't frighten!). The mastits didn't stop me from breastfeeding, I fed till Maya was 10 mths.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=425">mum2paris</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 September 2004 at 7:46pm<br /><br />mastits is an infection in a blocked milk duct in your breast.. it can be caused by well, a blocked duct lol.. but if you are producing too much milk and its sitting around for ages it can attract bacteria and that causes probs,(sounds icky) as well as if your breast isn't properly draining when you feed.. some people get it no matter what they do, some don't ever get it, but its good to be aware of what can cause it.<br /><br />i think everyone, despite weight gain probably still gets the weird mushy feeling to their tummy straight after, sorta like when you deflate a balloon really quickly lol - it feels a bit weird. but it usually goes back to normal, some people it takes longer than others. depends on alot.. how active you are, breast feeding, previous weight, tummy muscle tone.. the list is too long. just don't expect too much or go exercising to the max. for a little while at least you will still probably look a bit flabbier than you would like.<br /><br />6 months before i got preggers.. i had been at about 80 kilos..which was big for me,  my usual weight was 55 before that.  but then, all this weight fell off me. i didn't do anything different, it just started to go away.  i was just back to normal weight when i found out i was preggy.  I thought "OH NOOO!!!" <br />i didn't gain much weight while preggy, and despite having the weirdest mushiest tummy after having paris, within a couple of weeks i was back to looking flat underneath clothes.  i knew that i was anything but toned, far from it in fact.. but under the right top, no-one else could tell.<br /><br />and i definately agree with you melz.. going out makes you feel like you aren't so isolated.. even a simple walk around the block will help you to feel a bit more included in the world... who knows, it might even get baby to sleep if nothing else does.<br /><br />my book is now finished.. lol<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by mum2paris</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=265">melz</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 392<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 September 2004 at 2:05pm<br /><br />Guess it depends on the individual and how much weight you have put on.  I was back in my size 8 jeans 3 days after my daughter was born.  Kept it off while I was breast-feeding but then went on the depo provera injection (for contraception) and put on a lot of weight (for me anyway).  Thankfully, since I have come off it my weight has started to disapear too.<br />Best thing is to go for walks with baby in the pram.  Apart from losing weight it helps you feel more normal if you get out and about amongst other people.]]>
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