https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 15 Apr 2026 14:16:21 +0000 Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:38:13 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.05 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=39752 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1357541&title=why-cows-milk#1357541 Author: caliandjack
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Posted: 04 July 2011 at 4:38pm

yeah that last part seems to be the Plunket norm ]]> Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:38:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1357541&title=why-cows-milk#1357541 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1357511&title=why-cows-milk#1357511 Author: Emmecat
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Posted: 04 July 2011 at 3:51pm

Shelt wrote: Coz there is a bunch of really crap parents out there who don't feed their kids vege, or fruit, or cheese, or yoghurt or anything that isn't coke, takeaways and processed crap. So they wouldn't get calcium any other way, and its important to build strong bones. So the standard plunket line caters to the lowest common denominator.

AGREE lol Especially the last sentence ]]> Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:51:21 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1357511&title=why-cows-milk#1357511 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1357036&title=why-cows-milk#1357036 Author: Lucky apple
Subject: 39752
Posted: 03 July 2011 at 12:17pm

Great to read your answer Nikki :-) Thanks]]> Sun, 03 Jul 2011 12:17:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1357036&title=why-cows-milk#1357036 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356854&title=why-cows-milk#1356854 Author: Nikki
Subject: 39752
Posted: 02 July 2011 at 6:32pm

Any by the way, when I've developed infant formulas for Heinz there is a whole list of potentially migratory substances that they require the packaging manufacturers to sign off on not being present, with test results from a reputable lab .... so don't believe anyone who tells you there is PBA or similar in the packaging - its a load of crap!! lol]]> Sat, 02 Jul 2011 18:32:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356854&title=why-cows-milk#1356854 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356852&title=why-cows-milk#1356852 Author: Nikki
Subject: 39752
Posted: 02 July 2011 at 6:30pm

I've never seen a plastic lined formula tin either ...]]> Sat, 02 Jul 2011 18:30:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356852&title=why-cows-milk#1356852 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356786&title=why-cows-milk#1356786 Author: Shezamumof3
Subject: 39752
Posted: 02 July 2011 at 2:31pm

Nikki, thats why we did toddler milk for a little while, as the kids were so fussy, then it was onto cows milk.

Wriggles, none of our formula tins were ever lines with plastic...

Edited by Sheza]]> Sat, 02 Jul 2011 14:31:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356786&title=why-cows-milk#1356786 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356563&title=why-cows-milk#1356563 Author: Nikki
Subject: 39752
Posted: 01 July 2011 at 8:49pm

The recommendation is for 1-2yr olds to still have two cups of milk (or BFs if still BFing) to ensure they are getting their 2-3 serves of dairy as at this age it is critical with bone development and growth that they get enough calcium / vit D etc.
The issue with "too much milk" and iron absorption is more for people who give big bottles numerous times per day, ie people who will still give their toddlers 4 or 5 250ml bottles a day plus say one other serve of dairy. That would probably be enough to intefere with the childs consumption of other foods (too full on milk) and also too much calcium does affect iron absorption.

Toddler milks are recommended at the same 2 serves a day (in place of cows milk) and the added iron is mainly because we have such high rates of iron deficiency (25%) in toddlers in this country - as all other country do too (its a global issue due to growth rates and requirements in this age bracket vs the total food they can consume in a day as they are still little). Add to that the fussiness in this age group (my son was always a struggle to get meat into!! unlike my daughter thankfully) may mean they are not eating big serves of meat (its way harder to get enough iron from veges alone, especially for little ones). The toddler milk is also like an "in between stage" if you like - a bit easier on their digestive system than going straight to cows milk. It is not really necessary if the child has a good diet as their system if ready to cope with cows milk by then, but for some parents of fussier kids it helps to make sure they are getting all the right levels of vits / mins that are added to the formula. Especially toddlers who refuse meat, when getting enough iron is is really difficult.

Hope that helps. :)

ETA: Another thing that is usually added to Toddler formula is fibres and "good bugs" to help their digestive system, Zinc and Vit C for immune system, and good fats that are not in cows milk (good if the kids are not consuming alot of fish)

Edited by Nikki]]> Fri, 01 Jul 2011 20:49:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356563&title=why-cows-milk#1356563 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356539&title=why-cows-milk#1356539 Author: Shelt
Subject: 39752
Posted: 01 July 2011 at 8:06pm

Coz there is a bunch of really crap parents out there who don't feed their kids vege, or fruit, or cheese, or yoghurt or anything that isn't coke, takeaways and processed crap. So they wouldn't get calcium any other way, and its important to build strong bones. So the standard plunket line caters to the lowest common denominator.]]> Fri, 01 Jul 2011 20:06:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356539&title=why-cows-milk#1356539 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356365&title=why-cows-milk#1356365 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 39752
Posted: 01 July 2011 at 3:42pm

crakars wrote: So why do plunket say they need a certain amount of it (cows milk) until they are 2 (cant remember the exact amount). In theory they shouldnt need it at all?

That's what got me wondering about it. Or is this another Plunketism that I can choose to ignore.]]> Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:42:12 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356365&title=why-cows-milk#1356365 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356300&title=why-cows-milk#1356300 Author: crakars
Subject: 39752
Posted: 01 July 2011 at 2:20pm

So why do plunket say they need a certain amount of it (cows milk) until they are 2 (cant remember the exact amount). In theory they shouldnt need it at all?]]> Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:20:48 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356300&title=why-cows-milk#1356300 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356039&title=why-cows-milk#1356039 Author: cuppatea
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Posted: 30 June 2011 at 9:57pm

Having a child who had an allergy to cows milk protein and is now lactose intolerant we gave no cows milk, he still doesn't have it and he's 4. He was on a script formula until age 2 and then his allergy doc said he could come off it as he was a good eater and was getting everything he needed from other foods. He has calcium enriched rice milk on cereal, but he would probably get enough calcium from other sources anyway I just get him that one just in case and he has cheese as that has no lactose in it. My 2 year old weaned at 21 months and I tried to introduce cows milk and he wasn't interested, never bothered trying one of the formulas, he has milk on cereal each morning but I don't give him any milk drinks, he's a good eater as well so I figured the same advice for my allergic kid about not needing it would be valid there as well, he also has cheese and yoghurt.]]> Thu, 30 Jun 2011 21:57:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356039&title=why-cows-milk#1356039 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356035&title=why-cows-milk#1356035 Author: Shelt
Subject: 39752
Posted: 30 June 2011 at 9:44pm

And correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that there were other vitamins and nutrients in cows milk as well (other than calcium) - like Vitamin D and magnesium I think?]]> Thu, 30 Jun 2011 21:44:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356035&title=why-cows-milk#1356035 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356010&title=why-cows-milk#1356010 Author: Lucky apple
Subject: 39752
Posted: 30 June 2011 at 9:13pm

A lactation consultant friend of mine said that it is a good way to get calories/fat into little people (hence the suggestion that whole milk is preferable to low fat options). Little people have pretty huge energy requirements with the amount of growing they do!]]> Thu, 30 Jun 2011 21:13:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1356010&title=why-cows-milk#1356010 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1355800&title=why-cows-milk#1355800 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 39752
Posted: 30 June 2011 at 3:49pm

crakars wrote: I always assumed we gave cows milk because of the calcium - and its been cheaper than formula - not sure if thats still the case though

I believe this is one possible reason, although it seems there are better sources of calcium ie: green leafy vegetables than cows milk. ]]> Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:49:12 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1355800&title=why-cows-milk#1355800 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1355743&title=why-cows-milk#1355743 Author: crakars
Subject: 39752
Posted: 30 June 2011 at 2:42pm

I always assumed we gave cows milk because of the calcium - and its been cheaper than formula - not sure if thats still the case though]]> Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:42:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1355743&title=why-cows-milk#1355743 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1355708&title=why-cows-milk#1355708 Author: AandCsmum
Subject: 39752
Posted: 30 June 2011 at 2:04pm

I guess we give cows milk cause that's the way it's always been, well as long as most peoples memories.

Warm milk is a nice comforting drink and most bottles are given over a certain age is more for comfort than nutrition. A child should really have a wide & varied diet by the time they are two & should only be supplemented by milk.

Toddler milks are easy things for busy parents who worry that their child isn't getting enough nutrients, they are an easy target too cause they want the best for their children as well.

Toddlers (2-3yo) also only need 3 serves of milk, yoghurt, soy & cheese a day. There would be a lot of toddlers that would possibly end up having more than this if they are having a toddler milk along with all the other stuff as well.]]> Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:04:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1355708&title=why-cows-milk#1355708 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1355655&title=why-cows-milk#1355655 Author: Nothing
Subject: 39752
Posted: 30 June 2011 at 1:07pm

Its cause its always been the cheapest option to make. Goats milk is much better for us as we can actually process it alot better.

I HATE formula companies and the way they market their stuff, they are a bunch of greedy money hungry horrible people that dont give a damn that their product is just sh*t, they line their tins with BPA plastic (not kidding, totally true), they tell mums in third world countries that formula is better than BM and then that leads to people not feeding their kids properly cause they cant afford the tins, they cant steralise etc.... They are just horrible.]]> Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:07:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1355655&title=why-cows-milk#1355655 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1355556&title=why-cows-milk#1355556 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 39752
Posted: 30 June 2011 at 11:14am

The marketers of toddler milk claim toddlers aren't getting enough iron from their diet cause they're filling up on cows milk.
Surely the solution is to give less cows milk rather than toddler milk?]]> Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:14:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1355556&title=why-cows-milk#1355556 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1355511&title=why-cows-milk#1355511 Author: caliandjack
Subject: 39752
Posted: 30 June 2011 at 10:26am

A recent post about lactose intolerance and the promotion of toddler milk has got me wondering why do we give cows milk as a drink to toddlers and children?
]]> Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:26:09 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39752&PID=1355511&title=why-cows-milk#1355511