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Subject: 5177
Posted: 25 January 2007 at 8:19pm

Thanks Ginger for sharing your stories with us!!

Our first month of ttc, I had my best friend from Australia call to ask if she could stay with us (family dilemma). Of course she arrived just in time for us to be doing 'it' every second night!! First night we discreetly went to bed 5 minutes apart, the next night she informs us that she is staying at her brothers, 'to give us space' with a wink of the eye!! Little did she know that we weren't going to do 'it' two nights in the row!!! Oh well!!!

Now its nice to make the most of having the house to ourselves!!

Edited by NikkiB]]> Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:19:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=104197&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#104197 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101824&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101824 Author: Hershey
Subject: 5177
Posted: 16 January 2007 at 9:22pm

If you conceived with so many guests your wee one will be the life of the party!!!!!!!!!

Wishing you oodles of luck!]]> Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:22:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101824&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101824 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101721&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101721 Author: busymum
Subject: 5177
Posted: 16 January 2007 at 2:33pm

Ginger I wouldn't worry about that. Even if you do conceive you can't guarantee that it will come at a time that would clash... or that if you conceived in the next three months if the baby would come early. Just go for it! Sounds like you had a lot of fun ]]> Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:33:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101721&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101721 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101446&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101446 Author: ginger
Subject: 5177
Posted: 15 January 2007 at 11:02am

*Snort* You never know!

How special would it be to have conceived our first child with MIL, Aunty, SIL, BIL and niece in the next rooms ....

I almost really, really hope we *don't* conceive this month!

I'm in 2 minds over next month - my brother is getting married in October, and I don't know whether to give TTC a miss or not. I'd be loathe to miss his wedding, but, well .....]]> Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:02:50 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101446&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101446 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101423&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101423 Author: Guests
Subject: 5177
Posted: 15 January 2007 at 10:16am

YAY ginger hehe i hope the different atmosphere for the BDing did the trick if u get what i mean? Something little to spice it up is all it takes ]]> Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:16:23 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101423&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101423 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101418&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101418 Author: Lulu
Subject: 5177
Posted: 15 January 2007 at 10:14am

Good luck Ginger, always thinking of you! ]]> Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:14:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101418&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101418 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101407&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101407 Author: ginger
Subject: 5177
Posted: 15 January 2007 at 10:01am

The dilemma has passed, the house is empty again, and (TMI) BDing was managed every day over my fertile days (that every other day thing only counts when you haven't been TTC for forever!)! Here's hoping one of these days something sticks! And now for another 2WW. Deep joy!

The husband is cute - when people ask, he says "the goalie is taking a smoke break, but the striker's aim is off". Bless!

I have to admit to taking a test at the weekend (BFN) because I'd been feeling so strange. Although I had AF as normal, exactly on time, my boobs hadn't stopped hurting and I'd had ongoing 'creaky' cramps without ceasing from AF arriving. I've been horrendously bloated too and feeling generally uncomfortable. I wasn't expecting a result, but it did seem odd. Hopefully with my next AF things will settle again. I think it must be a bit of a hormone imbalance.]]> Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:01:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101407&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101407 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101302&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101302 Author: Hershey
Subject: 5177
Posted: 14 January 2007 at 9:50pm

Oh GInger, I know your intentions weren't to amuse us but OH MY GOSH thank you for that story!!! I was on here around may 06 asking about trying for a 3rd,so I was snooping around againto see if anyone from back then had got round to trying too. I'm way ready for #3 (have been for a couple of months - so clucky I could lay an egg....) but we are moving to a new house soon and hubby want's to wait a few more months (sob).

Anyway - your dilemma, is it over?? You could try a walk (ugh - hike?) somewhere scenic (dont forget a blanket). The car would be my next option though. ]]> Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:50:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=101302&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#101302 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100737&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100737 Author: Guests
Subject: 5177
Posted: 12 January 2007 at 4:43pm

No secretly i mean them all hehe *says she whos drive has come back* LOL]]> Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:43:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100737&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100737 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100703&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100703 Author: ginger
Subject: 5177
Posted: 12 January 2007 at 2:02pm

Jess...


Oh .....

Just *one* ??? ]]> Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:02:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100703&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100703 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100675&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100675 Author: miss
Subject: 5177
Posted: 12 January 2007 at 12:41pm

Ha ha ginger - great stories!

I wonder if there is something about having people to stay - when we decided to start ttc my fertile time was when we had a friend up to stay. DH emailed him to warn him we were babymaking so would be disappearing at all hours of the day to get onto the job!

Then once he was here we really would just disappear - DH would say something like, oh, I am really sleepy, I need a 'nap'! ha ha ha, I guess it is good that he is close to his mates and doesn't feel embarrassed about it!]]> Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:41:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100675&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100675 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100571&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100571 Author: Jennz
Subject: 5177
Posted: 12 January 2007 at 4:04am

Hehehe thats hilarious FYI we conceived this one on the bedroom floor with relatives in the next room! I still wonder if they did the math when they found out we were pregnant- everyone is far too polite to say anything though, thankfully!]]> Fri, 12 Jan 2007 04:04:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100571&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100571 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100564&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100564 Author: Guests
Subject: 5177
Posted: 12 January 2007 at 12:11am

hehehe GO GINGER TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM!!!!!! ]]> Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:11:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100564&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100564 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100467&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100467 Author: james
Subject: 5177
Posted: 11 January 2007 at 4:37pm

lol hahahahahahahaha so funny thanks for the laugh ginger and glad to se you back ]]> Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:37:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100467&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100467 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100299&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100299 Author: Deez
Subject: 5177
Posted: 11 January 2007 at 9:24am

LMAO hahahaha your dilemma and your story was really funny sorry i just had to laugh but im happy to hear your husband tightened the bed...lol...

]]> Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:24:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100299&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100299 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100278&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100278 Author: ginger
Subject: 5177
Posted: 11 January 2007 at 8:33am

Hehe busymum

And an update ...

DH tightened up the bed, and not a squeek was heard last night! and, well, if anything else was ...bugger it! ]]> Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:33:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100278&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100278 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100233&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100233 Author: kezplanet
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 10:36pm

Thank you sooooo much ginger, you just made my whole day seem soooo much better.
I agree with the going for it, and if they have anything to say about it just put it to them ..... do they want granchildren/nieces/nephews or not???]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:36:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100233&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100233 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100150&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100150 Author: busymum
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 7:42pm

Ginger it's only fair to share stories. We recently moved into a new house and because its 5 bedroom and 2-storey, we decided to board the spare upstairs bedroom out to my brother, who is 20 and single. Our bedroom is at the opposite end of the house and downstairs so I wasn't concerned that he'd hear anything.

Well every time we have BDed (is it still called that when your pg?) since he moved in about two weeks ago, by coincidence he has been out... until one night this week. When I got up the next morning he said to me, "I thought you had gone into labour and you guys had gone to the hospital last night" and you know what I was thinking - *noises!* - but I calmly asked him why, and it turns out he just heard someone moving around and shutting doors! (lol what a relief! )]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:42:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100150&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100150 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100118&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100118 Author: mellybelly
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 6:14pm

I say go ahead and do 'it' anyway and if they raise any eyebrows the next morning - be honest and say your trying to conceive - see what they have to say to that...!!!

We've been in a similar predicament with family staying and having two cats looking on....

Oh and thanks so much for the laugh!]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:14:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100118&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100118 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100027&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100027 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 2:29pm

linda wrote: Maybe go and find a motel that rents by the hour?????

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Now that's seriously dodgy!!!!!!!

I say go for it anyway! Why don't you have an "afternoon nap" and lock the dogs out of the room? The floor is definitely the way!

Do it Ginger! I'd love some more stories like the last one... that was hilarious ]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:29:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100027&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100027 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100018&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100018 Author: mummy_becks
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 2:18pm

Ginger I did have to have a giggle as well. Maybe kick the dog out for a couple of nights and risk the floor.]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:18:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=100018&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#100018 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99972&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99972 Author: linda
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 12:23pm

Maybe go and find a motel that rents by the hour?????]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:23:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99972&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99972 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99969&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99969 Author: ginger
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 12:16pm

Heavens no SB ... hubby jumped up the way real quick! Something about the dogs teeth too near his dangly bits ...]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:16:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99969&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99969 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99968&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99968 Author: Sarah Beth
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 12:04pm

damn, I pictured it more with the dogs nose up hubbies bum.]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:04:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99968&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99968 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99962&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99962 Author: Leish
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 11:46am

That is so funny - I have tears rolling down my face ]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:46:39 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99962&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99962 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99946&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99946 Author: ginger
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 11:18am

Oh good! I'm glad you all find the story about the cold wet dog nose up my bum amusing!




Actually, what *was* was the look on DH's face at the time. I can still see it now!

I think you're right too Jess ...desperate times call for desperate measures and all that! ]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:18:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99946&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99946 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99943&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99943 Author: Guests
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 11:13am

hehehe awww ginger that makes it more fun like its forbidden sex haha

Id just go for gold haha but thats just me!!! LOL

When mum was staying here and i was close to being due she goes why dont u try sex lol so we did and i laughed so hard with her the next day!!

BTW sex didnt work haha

U CAN DOOOOO EEEETTTTTTTT GINGER!!!!!!! ]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:13:09 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99943&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99943 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99939&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99939 Author: Sarah Beth
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 11:07am

HAHAHAHA thank you so much for the laugh!
]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:07:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99939&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99939 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99935&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99935 Author: AlyAyde
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 11:00am

OMG rofl sooo funny. Could you guys swap with someone and have the spare room at the end of the hall away from everyone?? ]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:00:09 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99935&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99935 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99934&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99934 Author: Red
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 10:59am

There is always the backseat of the car! Thanks for sharing Ginger, I think you have given us all a bit of a giggle.]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:59:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99934&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99934 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99922&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99922 Author: ellabellame
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 10:49am

hahahahaha, that's hilarious!!]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:49:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99922&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99922 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99919&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99919 Author: ginger
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 10:47am

I was thinking that the floor might be the way to go but ...oh dear ...I'm going to have to tell another story ... (you've gotta love my stories, don't you? There seems to be one for every occasion)

The thing is, we've tried the floor thing, but then the dogs want to play 'wrestling' too

(Our 2 dogs sleep inside, in our room - this a security thing for me with DH working nights, and me home alone. It wakes me immediately if they get restless about anything).

This one time (no, *not* at band camp!) we were ...you know ...and (TMI comign right up) DH was standing at the side of the bed (our bed is quite high off the ground - it sits about my hip height), and I was sort of braced against the side of the bed (there were visitors in the end room, and it was to try and avoid squeeking by trying a different angle on the bed), and right at a rather crucial time ...

Guess how much I *don't* want to finish this story??

The bigger of our 2 dogs shoved his head up between DH's legs to see what was going on!



Oh, what to do ...what to do .... ]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:47:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99919&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99919 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99908&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99908 Author: Red
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 10:28am

Maybe you could try piling up some pillows and cushions and doing it on the floor!

Edited by Red]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:28:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99908&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99908 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99904&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99904 Author: my2angels
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 10:26am

Sorry but it is funny! my friend had the same problem, she moved her duvet and some blankets to the floor of thier room to do the business then just jumped back into bed after!]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:26:50 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99904&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99904 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99895&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99895 Author: busymum
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 10:18am

Ohhhhh I can only laugh, I was laughing half-way through!

No suggestions though ]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:18:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99895&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99895 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99890&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99890 Author: Sarah Beth
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 10:12am

you may want me to stop laughing, but that is the first giggle I have had all day!]]> Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:12:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99890&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99890 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5177&PID=99885&title=of-all-the-dilemmas-to-have#99885 Author: ginger
Subject: 5177
Posted: 10 January 2007 at 10:03am

I just had to say it.

I'm entering my ovulatory phase, due to ovulate around Friday ish. At the moment, mother in law and husband's aunty are staying with us for the week, and towards the end of the week my brother in law and sister in law are arriving with our niece for the weekend.

We have a spare room at the end of the hallway, but across the hall is the back-up spare room, with a pull-out couch in it. But, it's such a small room that the pull out couch means you can't close the door. That's the room my MIL is in until Friday, at which time my BIL and SIL move in to that room.

I want to be BDing flat out, our bed squeeks!!!!! (DH is under *very* strict instructions to tighten the bolts *today*!!) AND we have a house full of people!

Oh, for goodness sake! There is someone out there (looks heavenwards) that does *not* want me to conceive a baby naturally!!

And *you lot* can just stop cracking up laughing at my predicament for this cycle.

(mumble grumble ...mumble grumble ...mumble grumble...)



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