https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 06 Apr 2026 17:19:10 +0000 Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:31:30 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.05 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=912 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15077&title=woo-hoo#15077 Author: lizzle
Subject: 912
Posted: 11 September 2005 at 5:31pm

yeah. he's not even fat looking. just quite tall....80cm? something like that. and very solid]]> Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:31:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15077&title=woo-hoo#15077 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15076&title=woo-hoo#15076 Author: mum2paris
Subject: 912
Posted: 11 September 2005 at 2:47pm

Jake is 11kg?   paris is 11.4 kg, and she's two. mind you, Ayja is currently over half her weight, and she's only 4 months so i think she may end up being a little bigger then her older sis... catching up maybe.]]> Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:47:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15076&title=woo-hoo#15076 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15069&title=woo-hoo#15069 Author: lizzle
Subject: 912
Posted: 11 September 2005 at 12:19pm

it's not much fun when i'm trying to eat chocolate and he's trying to shove my fist in his mouth. And he stands there licking his lips with a look "mummy, i'm so hungry....look at me wasting away"....all bloody 11kg of him
]]> Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:19:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15069&title=woo-hoo#15069 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15064&title=woo-hoo#15064 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 912
Posted: 11 September 2005 at 9:02am

I wish Hannah ate like that ]]> Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:02:21 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15064&title=woo-hoo#15064 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15044&title=woo-hoo#15044 Author: Maya
Subject: 912
Posted: 10 September 2005 at 11:33am

Yep the recipes are still there Janine. I might try some of them out now that I have a bit more free time.]]> Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:33:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15044&title=woo-hoo#15044 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15037&title=woo-hoo#15037 Author: lizzle
Subject: 912
Posted: 10 September 2005 at 12:15am

jake eats anything anywhwere near his mouth. he seems to be one of those kids who's fabvourite food is whatever mum or dad is eating RIGHT NOW!!! Likes guacomole!]]> Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:15:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15037&title=woo-hoo#15037 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15031&title=woo-hoo#15031 Author: mum2paris
Subject: 912
Posted: 09 September 2005 at 10:03pm

hey roksana.. dunno if it's still there, but in the recipes part of this site i submitted a few really indulgent yummy ideas... quick to make as well go have a look and you'll be inspired.]]> Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:03:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15031&title=woo-hoo#15031 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15030&title=woo-hoo#15030 Author: mum2paris
Subject: 912
Posted: 09 September 2005 at 9:58pm

the girls i nannied for ate curries! very hot ones too. but boy.... were their nappies NASTY!!]]> Fri, 09 Sep 2005 21:58:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15030&title=woo-hoo#15030 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15029&title=woo-hoo#15029 Author: Maya
Subject: 912
Posted: 09 September 2005 at 9:51pm

I made a lamb dish from a gourmet cook book once. The 'lamb fillet' cost me $20 for 500g and once it was made I realised I could have used $8 butterfly steaks. So gutted! But it tasted good.

LOL at Hannah spitting it out Nikki. I laugh at people who tell me their kids eat curry and pate and stuff. I'm lucky if Maya will eat plain old meat and veg. But she does like gherkins. And hummus.]]> Fri, 09 Sep 2005 21:51:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15029&title=woo-hoo#15029 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15015&title=woo-hoo#15015 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 912
Posted: 09 September 2005 at 2:37pm

I was all set to make a banana cake today but my giant pile of dirty washing took priority. Now I am regretting it. Who needs clean clothes when you have cake instead????

Am making a lemon slice for my friend's birthday next weekend. Mum sends me food mags quite often and I go a bit mad making gourmet meals! Costs me a fortune and Hannah just spits the food out but I like it!]]> Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:37:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15015&title=woo-hoo#15015 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15005&title=woo-hoo#15005 Author: Maya
Subject: 912
Posted: 09 September 2005 at 10:28am

I made choc fudge cake and strawberry choc muffins for the church fair. Sadly they both came from a box of premix, I ran out of time to bake from scratch, and was still baking at 10pm last night. But my grandad sampled a muffin and was most impressed...]]> Fri, 09 Sep 2005 10:28:55 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15005&title=woo-hoo#15005 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15002&title=woo-hoo#15002 Author: Roksana
Subject: 912
Posted: 09 September 2005 at 9:48am

OK OK...all this talk of baking is just getting to me....(I am too lazy to bake...I am too lazy full stop!)

Now come on ladies...share your fav recipes! So that I get of my bum and bake some think nice!



Edited by Roksana]]> Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:48:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=15002&title=woo-hoo#15002 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14999&title=woo-hoo#14999 Author: lizzle
Subject: 912
Posted: 08 September 2005 at 10:48pm

ooh, i need cake now. japanese ones look beautiful and taste like nothing. can't be bothered actually baking myself.......oh, this weekend have hjad sudden inspiration for carrot cake with cream cheese icing. (BTW if cream cheese icing is not okay for pregnant women, please keep this information to yourself. what i don;t know won't hurt me)]]> Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:48:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14999&title=woo-hoo#14999 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14991&title=woo-hoo#14991 Author: Maya
Subject: 912
Posted: 08 September 2005 at 6:13pm

We made Afghans and cupcakes, and the icing on the cupcakes is ... orange. Maya's fave color this week lol.

This arvo we're baking a choc cake for a church fair at my parents church here in Sydney. I'm normally not so community minded but being on holiday Maya and I have lots of spare time to do "Mama and Maya" things like baking, and there's no one in this house that NEEDS to eat cake so we might as well give them away!]]> Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:13:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14991&title=woo-hoo#14991 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14972&title=woo-hoo#14972 Author: newmum
Subject: 912
Posted: 08 September 2005 at 2:42pm

LMAO Aimee!! When I was pregnant I tried baking stuff to put in the freezer for when Joey was here, almost nothing made it, hehehehe, kept kinda getting eaten... ]]> Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:42:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14972&title=woo-hoo#14972 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14966&title=woo-hoo#14966 Author: aimeejoy
Subject: 912
Posted: 08 September 2005 at 2:14pm

lol - well i made marshmellow slice and I've just about eaten it all! Must be a bit bored - keep walking in to the pantry and getting a piece! I spent this morning lying in the sun reading - got daniel to pump up the airbed for me! Was lovely ]]> Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:14:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14966&title=woo-hoo#14966 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14955&title=woo-hoo#14955 Author: lizzle
Subject: 912
Posted: 08 September 2005 at 10:46am

anzac biscuits never get made in our house. i get as far as the dough and having the oven on and everything. it just taste soooo goooooooood]]> Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:46:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14955&title=woo-hoo#14955 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14921&title=woo-hoo#14921 Author: Xander&Harmony
Subject: 912
Posted: 08 September 2005 at 7:57am

let me guess........... its u liz with the biscuit dough moustache hehehehe.im just as bad lmao]]> Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:57:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14921&title=woo-hoo#14921 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14914&title=woo-hoo#14914 Author: lizzle
Subject: 912
Posted: 07 September 2005 at 10:27pm

i still have a problem of "someone" eating the biscuit dough before it's cooked. ]]> Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:27:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14914&title=woo-hoo#14914 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14905&title=woo-hoo#14905 Author: mum2paris
Subject: 912
Posted: 07 September 2005 at 9:00pm

oh yes, i get the tantrums cos she wants to bake mufmins and bikits.... but can't decide which to make first. doesn't quite get the idea that we can't do both at the same time. lol.. and the waiting till they're cool - it's agony!]]> Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:00:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14905&title=woo-hoo#14905 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14901&title=woo-hoo#14901 Author: Maya
Subject: 912
Posted: 07 September 2005 at 7:18pm

Oh to be able to bake without 'help' We baked Afghans today, and it's hard to say whether there was more biscuit mix on the tray or on Maya lol.]]> Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:18:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14901&title=woo-hoo#14901 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14892&title=woo-hoo#14892 Author: aimeejoy
Subject: 912
Posted: 07 September 2005 at 5:17pm

I think that I am going to be so bored by the time bubs arrives! The last few days have been quite good tho. I have got a really long list of things I want to get done and try and do a couple a day. Am quite enjoying doing the domestic thing - I even did some baking today!!]]> Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:17:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14892&title=woo-hoo#14892 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14796&title=woo-hoo#14796 Author: mumstheword
Subject: 912
Posted: 06 September 2005 at 5:57pm

I miss reading so much, i havnt been able to read a good book since my car accident, due to head injurys, if i read a few pages and then put the book down i forget what Ive just read.. its so frustrating when Im studying to remeber it i have to write down word for word what im reading to attach it to my brain.... im so over doing all the relaxing stuff, bed rest sucks so bad, i cant wait to drive my car again, go have coffe somewhere, just go and visit a friend.. I love it when my friends go and get some vids and something yummy for lunch and come hang out with me, most of my mates have had there bubs now so i enjoy lots of cuddle time on the couch with them.. I love it cant wait till i can see smell and touch my bubs...]]> Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:57:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14796&title=woo-hoo#14796 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14785&title=woo-hoo#14785 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 912
Posted: 06 September 2005 at 4:25pm

hahaha love that it's when kids are quiet that it's most disconcerting. noise is very reassuring!

hmmm reading while in the bath. that's a good idea. hannah plays in there for at least 1/2 an hour (or less if she finds the plug). it'd be good time to catch up on my school work!]]> Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:25:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14785&title=woo-hoo#14785 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14747&title=woo-hoo#14747 Author: lizzle
Subject: 912
Posted: 05 September 2005 at 8:42pm

same with movies i think, someone that can be paused while I run to the toilet or run to see why Jake is quiet. ]]> Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:42:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14747&title=woo-hoo#14747 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14742&title=woo-hoo#14742 Author: AlyAyde
Subject: 912
Posted: 05 September 2005 at 5:40pm

i read while alyssa is in the bath . Its passive watching.]]> Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:40:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14742&title=woo-hoo#14742 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14740&title=woo-hoo#14740 Author: Maya
Subject: 912
Posted: 05 September 2005 at 5:04pm

LOL, I keep telling myself that as a writer, reading is part of my job. But I am so shattered by the end of the day that I can't even think about picking up a book. It's enough of a mission just trying to read the daily newspaper hehe (I read it during the ad breaks on Dr Phil )

I have decided tho thatI will start going to the NZ Herald Literary lunches once a month, and buying and reading the book that is featured. I figure it's important 'career development' and good 'me time']]> Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:04:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14740&title=woo-hoo#14740 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14731&title=woo-hoo#14731 Author: aimeejoy
Subject: 912
Posted: 05 September 2005 at 4:02pm

Sounds like me lizzle - something trashy that u dont need to think about!]]> Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:02:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14731&title=woo-hoo#14731 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14727&title=woo-hoo#14727 Author: lizzle
Subject: 912
Posted: 05 September 2005 at 3:31pm

now i've finished i read complete trash. no symbolism. no metaphors, no allusions or things like that. just boy meets girl. girl hates boy. girl loves boy. the ewnd. draw the line at mills and boon though]]> Mon, 05 Sep 2005 15:31:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14727&title=woo-hoo#14727 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14706&title=woo-hoo#14706 Author: aimeejoy
Subject: 912
Posted: 05 September 2005 at 1:19pm

oh Nikki I remember that! While I was at uni I dont think I read anything that wasnt school work related - or felt guilty if I did!]]> Mon, 05 Sep 2005 13:19:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14706&title=woo-hoo#14706 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14686&title=woo-hoo#14686 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 912
Posted: 05 September 2005 at 12:20pm

Yes, read. Read while you can.
I miss it soooo much!
Now any time that I have to pick up a book it has to be school work ]]> Mon, 05 Sep 2005 12:20:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14686&title=woo-hoo#14686 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14641&title=woo-hoo#14641 Author: angel
Subject: 912
Posted: 04 September 2005 at 2:55pm

LOL! I like to read a few pages of a book when I get into bed at night, just helps me wind down from the day and get to sleep quicker.]]> Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:55:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14641&title=woo-hoo#14641 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14637&title=woo-hoo#14637 Author: lizzle
Subject: 912
Posted: 03 September 2005 at 10:13pm

Hay, hairy maclarey counts as reading a book right???]]> Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:13:09 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14637&title=woo-hoo#14637 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14618&title=woo-hoo#14618 Author: aimeejoy
Subject: 912
Posted: 03 September 2005 at 8:36pm

Yep, I love reading but havent had that much time with work and I figured i wouldnt have much time once babys here either so want to make the most of it]]> Sat, 03 Sep 2005 20:36:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14618&title=woo-hoo#14618 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14616&title=woo-hoo#14616 Author: Maya
Subject: 912
Posted: 03 September 2005 at 7:35pm

LOL at the list of books you want to read - I did that two and read non stop. I haven't read a whole book since I had Maya 2 1/2 years ago...]]> Sat, 03 Sep 2005 19:35:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14616&title=woo-hoo#14616 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14607&title=woo-hoo#14607 Author: newmum
Subject: 912
Posted: 03 September 2005 at 3:33pm

I loved my time at home! Make the most of it, especially the resting, lol, believe me you will miss it!! ]]> Sat, 03 Sep 2005 15:33:50 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14607&title=woo-hoo#14607 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14599&title=woo-hoo#14599 Author: mum2paris
Subject: 912
Posted: 03 September 2005 at 2:05pm

lol i did that and tried to do one each day so i didn't feel like i had completely wasted the day... of course, some days i would make alist of things to do, and include "have a nap" and "eat something yummy" on it, so i didn't feel like my whole list was boring stuff. i'm a bit weird. lol. it's like the list gives you permission to do it... it's like, well it's on the list, i HAVE to do it. ]]> Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:05:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14599&title=woo-hoo#14599 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14596&title=woo-hoo#14596 Author: aimeejoy
Subject: 912
Posted: 03 September 2005 at 11:19am

it hasnt really sunk in yet that i dont have to go back! Am a little worried about the money situation but we've been poor students for so long we should be fine!

I am going to make a list of things I want to do over the next few weeks (Im a list person!) including books I want to read! I have a bit to do in the bubs room and I want to go swimming (to feel weightless!). definitely planning on naps!!]]> Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:19:22 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14596&title=woo-hoo#14596 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14584&title=woo-hoo#14584 Author: Maya
Subject: 912
Posted: 02 September 2005 at 11:20pm

Yay Aimee! I finished work at 30 weeks, and pretty much spent the last 10 weeks sleeping and watching kids TV shows. I wonder if that's why Maya loves Caillou so much? ]]> Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:20:54 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14584&title=woo-hoo#14584 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14579&title=woo-hoo#14579 Author: lizzle
Subject: 912
Posted: 02 September 2005 at 10:12pm

what are you gonna do Aimee? I can't wait for daytime TV!!!]]> Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:12:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14579&title=woo-hoo#14579 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14576&title=woo-hoo#14576 Author: jack_&_charli
Subject: 912
Posted: 02 September 2005 at 8:46pm

i recommend lots of nana naps!!!!   lol]]> Fri, 02 Sep 2005 20:46:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14576&title=woo-hoo#14576 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14573&title=woo-hoo#14573 Author: aimeejoy
Subject: 912
Posted: 02 September 2005 at 7:43pm

OMG! Just noticed my ticker - only 49 days

Edited by aimeejoy]]> Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:43:23 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14573&title=woo-hoo#14573 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14572&title=woo-hoo#14572 Author: aimeejoy
Subject: 912
Posted: 02 September 2005 at 7:43pm

Had my last day at work today!! Am really glad that it is over with now but also means I dont have much longer to go and feel a bit nervous. Was quite sad too cos everyone says such lovely stuff about u when u leave - wish they said it when u were having a crappy day!!

Not really sure what I'm going to do now (have about 7 weeks before due date). Want to paint babys room and finish that off but also have big plans for reading books and having naps ]]> Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:43:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=912&PID=14572&title=woo-hoo#14572