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Topic: What do you believe?
Posted By: Glow
Subject: What do you believe?
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 8:54am
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Religions & stuff?? ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:02am
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i havent made up my mind...sometimes i am all for reincarnation...but then for a while there i beleived that babies pick their parents before they are born based on what lessons in life they needed to learn but then wondered if that would work if we forgot (once we were born) what that lesson was.
I do believe in dinosaurs and evolution tho but havent decided about a higher power. there you have it. can you tell i've been up for a while. had a chance to get my brain awake. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:22am
Im a Pagan -a green 1
I believe in Nature & have many "gods" Anybody else? ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:24am
| karma baby karma |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:27am
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karma sutra?
Is that buddist stuff? ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:30am
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LOL!!! thats funny.
Must say i am big on karma too. not too much on the sutra bit tho... ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: my2angels
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:32am
| I believe in the whole life after death thing, mediums etc... not so sure about tarot though. I dont believe in god (sorry if that offends anyone) but I do believe there is more than just our living life if that makes any sense. and possibily another life form, not aliens as such but surely in this massive huge universe we cant be the only living creatures. |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:39am
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Did you know we only use 10% of our brains?
Its made round to go round aye? Money.. The World.. What else is round? Wheels.. Time.. LOL im crazy, i dabble in magic.. ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:56am
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I do believe there is a higher life form than Man.
I don't believe in the version of God/Jesus that the Church preachers - and thats coming from someone who was born and raised catholic. I just don't buy it. I believe life is about balance, its when life gets out of balance that we either get sick, or unwell. I think the same applies to the Planet. Did you know we only use 10% of our brains? Thats not entirely correct, we only use 10% of our conciousness (sp). Most of our bodily functions (ie breathing, heart pumping, cells replicating) are part of autonomic nervous system - and its not the size of your brain that counts - its the number of connections. Interestingly I was reading the other day, that babies are born with primative reflexes - and they are lost in the first few weeks of life - and have to be relearnt. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: BabyOnBoard
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 10:04am
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I believe in God and Satan and in life after death. I believe that Jesus is Gods son and died for our sins. But I believe that God can't be what people tell you he is he is who you search out and find in your heart.
Wow my lil religious speil ------------- http://lilypie.com">  
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 10:05am
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Consciousness/subconsciousness is still part of your brain!!!
Automatic doent count, otherwise you wouldnt be alive if you didnt do it... Karma is made round to go round- hey thats another round thing isnt it!!! ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 10:11am
I think we want to know to much & have to make things bigger & better. We would of been fine if we werent jealous & stuff & wanted it.. but couldnt understand coz of a language barrier Or maybe it was just too gross for some of us..------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 10:18am
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[QUOTE=Glow] Automatic doent count, otherwise you wouldnt be alive if you didnt do it.../QUOTE]
How come it doesn't count? You are still using your brain? Although maybe its not a bad thing we don't use it fully - as there is a fine line between genius and insanity. And many highly intelligent people - have been a bit crazy. If I have to choose between having good sense and genius - I'll take the former. These posts of yours Glow are fun and interesting. Esp on a Monday morning. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: susieq
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 12:52pm
| I believe in the same as babyonboard |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 1:09pm
What i believe in, my ancestors where killed for- coz they were different. They apparently worshiped the devil  ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Peace
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 1:34pm
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I'm agnostic (get your dictionary out girls!). ------------- DD1 May 2006 DD2 March 2011 DD3 August 2012 |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 1:44pm
I know what agnostic is! Good ole Catholic school upbringing... agnostic is don't believe in anything in particular but not averse to the idea that there *might* be a higher power, unlike atheists who are anti religion full stop. I'm Catholic (obviously!) and while I don't subscribe to some of their fundamental teachings (mostly those on contraception and marriage) I cetainly believe in God, and that Jesus died and rose again to save us. I do believe that faith is a very personal thing tho and that even tho two people might share a religious belief, they way they interpret that, and live it, might be very different. Oddly enough tho, I also believe in karma... -------------  Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Peace wrote:Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 1:55pm
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i believe in God, but not necessarily the God from the bible (He always seems really mean and unforgiving to me, the God i know is like a really loving grandfather ) i believe in Heaven, mainly because the thought of not seeing some people ive loved and lost again is too hard to comprehend so i cling to the belief that i'll see them again one day.
I believe in Karma, and that there are things we'll never know the answer to, i believe in dinosaurs. I believe that going to church doesnt make you a christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. I believe that sometimes life is very unfair, and sometimes, it is beautiful. I believe that past experiences may influence who we are but we are responsible for who we become. Most of all, I believe in Me, cos i think thats the most important thing of all. And now i also believe my lunch break is over and i have to go back to boring old work. And i believe i dont want to |
Posted By: arohanui
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 2:20pm
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The God I know is like a really loving grandfather too, who knows what's best for me even when I don't. But who also tells me to pull my head in when I need to be told. I believe that God loves me so much that He sent his son Jesus to die for me and pay the price for all the rubbish I have in my life. I believe in the teachings and example of Jesus, and that all my actions should be in love (well that's what I strive towards anyway). I believe that there is a heaven and a hell. I believe that God answers the prayers of my heart - sometimes even when I don't even know I've asked Him. I believe that God can give anyone a new start on life.
ETA: Oh I also believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, but it should be read in context - of what is written before and after a certain verse, and also to keep in mind the historical context of when it was written. ------------- Mama to DS1 (5 years), DS2 (3 years) and... http://alterna-tickers.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: arohanui
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 2:26pm
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And now I believe I want to break out in song
*I believe the children are the future.. treat them well and let them lead the way...*  ------------- Mama to DS1 (5 years), DS2 (3 years) and... http://alterna-tickers.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 2:58pm
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Difference is what makes us special.
I support the troops, children are the future!!! Its a process, you dont have to be perfect *If you could go back in time & change a moment in your life, would you? And would it really change anything for the good? Do our moments create our lives or do our lives create our moments?* ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 3:23pm
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LOL Arohanui - maybe not in the way Michael Jackson does.
Glow NO I wouldn't change anything - even the things that weren't so good, I think have influenced whats come after. I mostly want to go way back in time - to see history played out. And to your last question both are true Life is made up of big and little moments, and I guess those moments make up our life. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 3:50pm
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I believe in God. I believe that He is the only true God. I believe he sent his son Jesus to die for my sins and I believe that as a result of that I am a daughter of a King and totally forgiven and loved. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: my2angels
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 4:22pm
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Can someone explain the whole 'die for my sins' part please. To be honest I have no idea about religon as such, but why would god send his son to die for your sins? And if you are totally forgiven and loved does that excuse people to sin.
And please Im not trying to say any religion is wrong or upset anyone, just trying to understand the thought/theory behind those beliefs. |
Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 4:31pm
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Predominently Buddhist. Short and sweet LOL. -------------   http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: LuluBelle85
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 4:39pm
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I'll stick my hand up and say I'm an Athiest (although I really hate that term, there's not really a lot else to decribe it as)
My mum is a 'born again christian' as has been since I was 3, so i was raised as a 'christian' and went to church, youth group, christian camps etc etc. Started questioning my beliefs and those of others just after I started high school, started realising I didn't believe in God at all, and became a lot happier once I 'came out' to my mother. My brother is exactly the same. I do love learning about religion though. I studied religion from both east and west at University and it was facsinating. I also loved the God/Creation debates in philosophy (obviously we know which side I was on, haha). It's always an interesting topic though when the 3 of us (Mum, bro and I) are together... we can definately push each others buttons.
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 4:51pm
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Hi,
I am an atheist (although i'm not anti religion as someone said we were earlier). I believe we are born we live we die and thats it. No higher power of any kind, no mediums, no ghosts. We all just become nothing. If there is a god why does he allow all the world to believe in different things and to war. Surely that is more of a tormentor than a saviour? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Listings.aspx?member=1738084 - Handmade Jewellery ------------- 
 
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Posted By: LuluBelle85
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 5:02pm
I agree cuppatea, that's my belief is well. I don't hate religion, or am anti-religion like a lot of Athiests are labelled. The question that you raise as to why a god would allow such things to happen, is exactly like a paper I did at Uni. Most of the people on the other side of the argument, argued the point that perhaps the suffering wasn't pointless and that it was for a 'higher purpose' (the greater good etc) - This was just in my experience though, so I'm not generalising about all people who believe in God etc This is a great topic by the way 
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Posted By: SMoody
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 5:09pm
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I wont really say I am a Christian or I am a Buddhist or any other religoues one either. I however do believe in God. I believe in Jesus.
I also however believe that a lot of religion is actually the same thing. If you go read the Koran and the Bible it also follows more or less the same story. (with some differences here and there). But I think it is the same Person ect and that it is just a different word (like 2 different languages if you will). ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 5:19pm
yes but it is us the people of the world who choose to believe in different things and choose to war. if there was a god who intervened and told us how to live and who to believe in then he would be a dictator. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: arohanui
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 5:20pm
I'm the same my2angels, I think it's important to try to understand other people's beliefs. Eek what a big question. To me, the reason God sent his son into the world was because he saw how much strife was going on and He didn't want his children to have to live like that.. He wanted to suffer so that they didn't have to. Hmm I don't even feel I've touched the surface there, I don't think I've explained it very well... sorry. As for if you are totally forgiven and loved does that excuse you to sin? Often Jesus said to people in the bible, "Go and sin no more"... and of course He knows we're human and are gonna mess up, but He wants us to change cos He wants whats best for us. And maybe when we accept his love and forgiveness, it makes us want to change cos we feel the difference?
I think that's a question that none of us can truly answer cos we're not God, which is why we can't understand it... and one that I ALWAYS think about when I see all the suffering in the world. It sucks. But I think that the reason all the war and crap in the world exists is because we have free choice. God allows us to choose how we're going to live, otherwise we would just be like robots and where's the life in that? And same with why does he allow people to believe in different things - cos He's gracious and is a gentleman and isn't about to force himself on people. Well that's what I believe anyway  ------------- Mama to DS1 (5 years), DS2 (3 years) and... http://alterna-tickers.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: arohanui
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 5:21pm
Oh my goodness that was a long post... sorry... just trying to get my thoughts out there  ------------- Mama to DS1 (5 years), DS2 (3 years) and... http://alterna-tickers.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: LuluBelle85
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 5:25pm
Here's how wikipediia puts it (and this is what I was taught when i went to church and from my mother etc) Christians predominately profess that Jesus is the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament, who, through his life, death, and resurrection, restored humanity's communion with God in the blood of the New Covenant. His death on a cross is understood as the redemptive sacrifice: the source of humanity's salvation and the atonement for sin, which had entered human history through the sin of Adam. |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 5:31pm
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Why did God send his son? I can think of several reasons:
1. To provide an example of how we are to live. He was a man and yet lived a perfect life. He set an example we should strive for. 2. Jesus laid down his life for our sins. That means that by giving his life, he paid the price for our sins We have to repent in order to be forgiven...repentence is an active process...you not only ask for forgiveness but you actively turn from whatever it is you've done wrong and do your very best not to do it again. Therefore forgiveness is not an excuse to do wrong. Doh! Gabrielle just woke up so don't have time to finish or edit this...hope some of it is of help anyway! ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 5:44pm
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yes but it is us the people of the world who choose to believe in different things and choose to war. if there was a god who intervened and told us how to live and who to believe in then he would be a dictator.[/QUOTE] I'm all for free will but why would he allow people to worship "false idols"? I personally believe that every culture had to have a way of explaining the unknown and a higher being filled a gap. It explained the droughts and floods and eclipses etc and gave people a way of feeling like they could avoid these things (by worshipping a god(s) ). Or that the suffering in their life would be worth something, i.e a passage to a heaven. This was more than understandable but I ,again personally, find it quite strange that people still believe in a higher power. I think that all religions have a good message and moral code which is why I'm not anti religion, I just don't believe. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Listings.aspx?member=1738084 - Handmade Jewellery -------------
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 5:58pm
To follow on from what Fiona is saying... Sin goes a lot deeper in the Bible than just 'thou shalt not murder". I think everyone gets that this is wrong and can see that it would be a sin. But Jesus takes this commandent one step further. If you look on someone with hate...you have committed murder in your heart. If you look at somone who is not your spouse with lust then you have committed adultery in your heart. What Jesus has said is that no matter how hard we try we cannot be perfect. We will sin and sin separates us from God. The wages of sin is death. However Jesus took that on himself so that we would not have to. We are therefore reconciled to God and can have that relationship with Him. Hope that all makes sense. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 6:50pm
For me the key think I think is that God gave/gives us free will. And war etc. is born out of men (generic) exercising that free will in a non-constructive way. I *think* (I may be wrong) that the whole free will thing is tied up in how Satan/Lucifer came to be cast out of heaven, will have to go back and look that up coz it's going to bug me. Where is Nikkiwhyte? She's always good value in these philosophical discussions given that she studies religion/philosophy 
And damn you Arohanui now I'm going to be walking around singing The Greatest Love of All and I do NOT sound like Whitney Houston ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: my2angels
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 7:08pm
| Ok but surely sending his son to die would be a sin itself, even if it is dressed up to make you think it is done as a sacrific for the people. What right did he have to basically kill his son for his own beliefs. |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 7:31pm
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I have a god for war...
Yes where is Nikki ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Rachael21
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 8:13pm
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I have never really been exposed to religion so I have no idea about the whole thing but I think one day I will go and find out. I feel like I'm missing something because I don't understand what I know. I feel like I want to go to church but since i don't know anything about it I'm unsure.
I personally believe in karma and reincarnation and definately evolution. I believe in ghosts (can't think of a better word but not scary ones) but not mediums. I think all the main events in our lives were all mapped out before we were born but we chose the little things and our next life depends on how good a person we were. I think I like to believe in something because the thought of never seeing people again is horrible to me. |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 8:20pm
Yeah a lot of people think my viewpoint is quite depressing, but believing that this life is all with have just makes me treasure it and the people I love even more. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Listings.aspx?member=1738084 - Handmade Jewellery -------------
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Posted By: my2angels
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 8:24pm
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thats a good way of putting it Rachel, thats kind of what i feel like too. I would love to have something to believe in so strongly like others do but not sure where i would fit into a religion.
So if you believe in ghosts, why do you not think they would try to make contact through say a medium? I went to that deb webber show and have a could of books by alison dubue (sorry cant remember how to spell her name but its the lady from Medium the program) and after reading them I came away thinking how could it not be real if that makes sense. some of it i didnt really believe in but i do believe she was in contact with these people. |
Posted By: Rachael21
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 8:41pm
| I do believe they would try but I have yet to see a medium that really makes me believe, they all seem too vague. I am open to the idea of mediums tho I am just waiting to see a believable one. |
Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 8:49pm
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I beleive in ghosts but don't believe that these Medium people can actually contact them - seen too much of that crossing over with John Edwards on Sky and don't think he is doing a very good job. Also afterlife I believe that we do go on to be something else. Karma is also something else I believe. I believe there is a god out there and have been baptisted an Angilican (my choice). ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: my2angels
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:09pm
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where i struggle with mediumship is when is it all just a coincidence. like they dont believe in coincidences but sometimes I think they read more into things than there actually are but honestly if you read these books you would be thinking she must actually be being contacted by them.
That john edwards guy is a bit odd, dont like his shows. |
Posted By: Rachael21
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:27pm
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I think i'm too cynical for the shows like how do i know the person he is contacting the dead for isn't an actor and they haven't sorted out what they will say. They only way I will believe is if one tells me stuff that noone else knows.
In saying that tho I was so close to ringing one of those psycic hotlines to find out when Caprece would come
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Posted By: my2angels
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:36pm
| yeah i was a bit like that with the show but the books were completely different |
Posted By: Chovynz
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:43pm
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I believe in God and Jesus. I've had too much stuff happen in my life for me to not believe. I was raised in that culture, and I accepted that, but then in the last 6 years I've been through circumstances that have really tested me, and I've had to ask myself what do I truly believe? Am I going to learn about God myself or just have my parents faith? No disrespect to them, but I dont want my parents faith. So I said "God, if your real, prove it to me."
I've been on a searching journey and I think that will never stop. What I've found so far is that what we have been taught to believe is often a lie, or just "man's tradition." For example, I can't actually think of a place in the Bible where it says "Don't masturbate." And yet so many people teach that as if GOD HIMSELF SAYS IT...etc. There are many examples of this kind of thing, but what really makes me sick (and angry) is the hypocrasy of 'Christians.' They tell others that they shouldn't do this or that, but forget about the verse that says "don't judge other people or you too will be judged." This kind of christian is the one who turns people away from christianty. Honest (and normal) people can see through that crap and dont want a bar of it.
God didn't "send" his Son in the way your saying. God didn't kill His Son like that. Jesus chose to come to Earth and specifically chose to die, because He saw how much the Father loved humans and how much the Father's heart was breaking from our separation from Him. Because of humans, there was only one way for humans to be reconciled with God. "Why is there so much war?" What Jesus did is unlock and open a door, back to where we came from and where we belong and are happiest. It's entirely up to us to walk through it. It's also entirely up to us if we want to kill other people. THAT is called free will. ------------- Defending the male species since 1980
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:43pm
If you want to get down to the nitty gritty of it (and this is what many never get thier heads around but here goes)...Jesus is God and God is Jesus, they are two parts of the Holy Trinty (the third being the Holy Spirit). God took on human form, as Jesus, and came to earth so the view of Jesus as the son is not entirely correct...he is of God and he IS God at the same time. He then led the perfect life and in effect gave His own life for millions who now turn thier back on Him. God loved us so much that He was prepared to do this for US. Right from the start, He could have stayed in Heaven and forced us to love Him and worship Him. Instead He gave us free will...love is not love if it is forced, only if it is chosen. We then chose to turn away from that love and destroyed the relationship. God by taking human form and dying for us, repaired that breach so that we could once again approach him as a Father. He has suffered the way we suffer. He has felt every pain and joy that we have EVER felt...and more. Why? Because every day people chose instead to ignore Him, His works and what He has done and instead turn to things which in the long run give shallow comfort. Because He has done so much and tried so hard for so long, I kinda think the time has come where He has the right to do what will be done...and I believe firmly that the time is coming a lot sooner than most expect. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Chovynz
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:52pm
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snap ------------- Defending the male species since 1980
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:55pm
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Thank you to both of you for explaining it and explaining it so someone like me can understand it. Even thou I did Sunday School and Bible Study I never got to grips with it and you have explained it so clearly to me. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:55pm
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Yeah great minds and all that! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 10:13pm
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OMG Chovy your masturbation stuff is soo funny
Everybody does it; coz it feels good LMAO
As for the judging stuff- to avoid criticism, be nothing, say nothing, do nothing... ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 10:14pm
So what about people who are brought up being taught to worship a different god, are they condemned because of where they were born. They have not chosen to ignore him. Again why would he allow people to worship false idols? seems grossly unfair that the vast majority of the planet grow up worshipping someone entirely differently. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Listings.aspx?member=1738084 - Handmade Jewellery -------------
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 10:24pm
So what about people who are brought up being taught to worship a different god, are they condemned because of where they were born. They have not chosen to ignore him. Again why would he allow people to worship false idols? seems grossly unfair that the vast majority of the planet grow up worshipping someone entirely differently. If you are referring to obscure tribes in the back of nowhere that have not had the chance to know God then from what I understand, the book of Revelations does allow that they will be judged according to the situation they were in. In other words, if someone is told the truth of Jesus and still decides to ignore him and follow another God then yes they will be forever separated from God for that. If however someone has never had the oppotunity to hear about God then he will not automatically be condemed for that. Ultimatel though, I do believe in a God who is just and will judge accordingly. God does not "allow" them to worship false idols...why do you think He calls people to the missionary field? It is a commandent that has been given to all His people, to spread the good news so that all may hear it. It's what you do afterwards with that information that could count for eternity. An eternity of nothing, or an eternity with your loved ones...I know which side I want to be on! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 10:48pm
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What if god wast a man?
And some gods had many heads? ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Jennz
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:58am
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I believe in Science. Far to logical and cynical to beleive in anything that can't be proved. A shame really as I imagine believing in a God would give more comfort. ------------- Jen, Charlotte 7 & Kate 3 
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 7:27am
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Did you know; science is like music- everybody has it in there soul. AS different as are the many religions of the world, in essence the are all they same. It has frequently been said that they are different paths leading to a common centre, and this is true.
Today is yesterdays pupil.. If you didnt believe in certain "gods" then how are you to control the unknown? Damn am i the only wiccan/pagan/witch here? But no i donot worship demonic spirits.. Anyone who has ever worked with any kind of group is aware of their fragile nature, it is likely that, if you stop & think about it, you have known or known of 1 person who has stormed out of a meeting in a self-righteous huff. Because of the intense personal feelings we attach to our religious expressions & beliefs.. ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 7:43am
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Mastino; has anyone heard of them?
Where did they come from? What did they do? ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Chovynz
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 8:04am
Let me tell you a (as far as I'm aware it's true) story of a missionary that I've heard (and if you can spot it, this relates to catholics, tribes and anywhere that humans are or have been directed to go as missionaries (which is quite a large part of the Earth)). A missionary felt God was telling him to go to a specific tribe and tell them about Jesus. He went and had to learn the language. It took him 8 years? I can't remember that detail. During that time he had got frustrated with the people. They were 'worshipping' trees and were 'pagan'. They had practices that offended the missionary. He thought when he learned their language he would be able to communicate Jesus to them. Then he got malaria. His eyes turned yellow from the malaria and he was bed ridden for more years and the tribe nursed him. He was learning the language by this time, and he found out that the tribe were calling him the 'banana man', because of his yellow eyes. Then he found out that they were talking about the spirits and 'the Great Spirits'. This saddened him because he thought it would have been easier to tell them about Jesus, once he had learned the language. But he knew God had said to him to come here, so he did what God wanted. He tried to tell them about Jesus. They didn't understand. They keep speaking about the spirits and trees. He got frustrated more. Finally he gave up trying to tell them about Jesus, and started learning their culture. He didn't speak about Jesus for a long while. One day he heard of a prophesy that the tribe had of a Bananman that would come and talk to them about the spirits and the trees. He got curious and asked his friend. His friend took him to a clearing where their most revered tree was. The missionary knew about this place, it was sacred to the tribe. This particular tree had been an object of the missionaries hate, because the tribe had been worshipping it. It had been struck by lightening and had split into two. One piece had fallen away and left on the piece that was standing, what the missionary thought was a demonic, gnarled and ugly formation in the tree trunk. And the tribe worshipped it. His friend kept talking about the tree and the missionary, still feeling hate, but because of time the hate had lessened, he felt a curiousity for the tree. Why did he hate it so much? what did the tribe see in it? He asked his friend if he could go closer and the friend allowed him to. His friend explained to him that the name of this place meant "Man of the Tree" (sorry I cant remember how it was spelled and can't pronounce it). The missionary came closer to the tree and moved around it studying it. At a certain angle, he could see a shape like a man, and then he turned to his friend and said "But you shouldn't be worshipping this!" His friend said "We don't worship the tree. We worship the tree's spirit." The missionary turned and looked again at the man shape on the tree. He studied it for a few more minutes, trying to understand why they would worship this tree. As he watched the sunlight moved around and highlighted more lightening struck grooves. The man shape became more defined, and suddenly the missionary clearly saw the shape in the tree. It was a man, and he was holding out his arms to the sides parallel to the ground. The missionary was blown away. All this time, he had been trying to tell the tribe about Jesus, and they were telling HIM about Jesus. Story ends...not quite. but you can guess the rest. What I wanted to point out are these few points.
That's the thing. Originally we worshipped Him. Then we as humans turned away from him and He has been trying to win back our hearts ever since. He has done everything possible, and now the next step is up to us. The choice is, will you choose Him or not? He's not going to force you to choose Him. You have absolute free will to do whatever you want.
Quoted for truth. That is the exact problem I described above. God calls it pride. And when we have a belief that is incorrect and we stick to that rather than finding out what the truth is, that causes problems. ------------- Defending the male species since 1980
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Posted By: 11111
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 8:21am
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Ok so I can't help, but put my 2 cent's worth in here alot of people have already summed up eveything so well. I am a christain I believe there is a God and he a loving just God. I believe he sent is son Jesus to save us. I guess for me from a personal level I can't not believe becasue I have seen his hand on my life in so many way's. When eveything around me is falling down I know that he stand's with me. I believe the bible and everything in it is inspired by God. I truely believe if I was not a christan I would not be here today he saved me from me i guess would be a way to put it. I agree with chovynz I can't stand hypycroyt's(SP?) who claim to be one thing then go on living a completly differnt way. I am not into raming my belief's down people throat's I want to be a living example of Christ to the world just to add I am not claiming to be like Christ I am only a person I am and will never be perfect like Christ himself., but the thing I aim for is to alway's walk in love and except people for who they are. Help where I can be that helping meet a physical need or an emtional one. I guess I want people to see what God has done in my life and let them know they can have that too. Right that's me hope my rambling not put anyone to seep. I guess i don't know the bible as well as some. ------------- Deborah Mum to:   
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 8:24am
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We wiccans give thanks to the mighty ones
For the richness & goodness of life As there must be rain with the sun To make all things good So must we suffer pain with our joy To know all things Our love is ever with the Gods For though we know not their thoughts Yet we do know their hearts- That all is for our good When man slept he was, to his family & friends, like 1 of the dead. True in his sleep he occasionally moved & he breathed, but otherwise he was lifeless. Yet when he woke he could tell of having been out hunting in the forest. He could tell of having met & talked with freind who really were dead. The others to whom he spoke, could believe him coz they too had experienced such dreams. They knew he had not set foot outside the cave but at the same time they knew he was not lying. It seemed that the world of sleep was as the material world. There were trees & mountains, animals & people. Even the dead were there, seemingly unchanged many years after death. In this other world, then, Man must need the same things he needed in this world ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 9:00am
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What is Gallicism?
What is idiom? Do you eat snails??? ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 9:20am
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Answer this (If you can?)
If you can walk the walk, how can you not talk the talk? ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Leelee
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 9:40am
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I believe there is a god but I dont believe in any particular religion but may lean towards christianity. I believe in life after death, clarvoyance(sp), mediums, guardian angels. I dont believe in bible bashers, especially the ones that are always on your doorstep flagging of another religion and how theirs is the right one. Oh and I definitely beleive in Karma. Well thats just my thoughts ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: LuluBelle85
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 9:52am
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Jennz.. I am a lot like you.
And I think you hit the nail on the head about the 'comfort' aspect about believing in life after death. I mean I admit, It would be lovely to think there was something after death and I could spend eternity with my loved ones in some amazing nirvana... but in the end, I don't believe it. I have a friend who has said 'I only believe in god because I don't want to die and there be nothing and I won't see my friends and family again' - I would say there are a lot of people like her out there who really don't care about the religious part of God - They just want something to hold on to. Here's a question for everyone. Could you be with someone who doesn't share your beliefs? For me personally, I couldn't - My husband and I are exactly the same in our beliefs (or lack of ) but I have a friend who was raised a catholic and considers herself a christian but her partner is an athiest. They have been together for 5 years. It's always interested me. Would love to hear your thoughts or experiences.
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 10:06am
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What do you think about prostitution? pedophilia? homosexuality etc etc mental disabilities?
We all have differences thats what makes us special!! ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 10:10am
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No 2 people can be the same & it shouldnt matter if you dont believe the same things ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: BabyOnBoard
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 11:05am
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To me ife after death isn't a 'comfort' aspect because there is heaven and hell. To me it isn't comforting knowing that people I love and adore who don't choose Christ go to Hell or that even I risk that chance.
I wont be seeing all my loved ones in the after life because of the choices they are freely allowed to make. It's funny how people associate Christians as believing in God and Heaven but don't think of Satan and Hell. So they think - Why is there suffering? and - That life after death is a comfort thing. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: LuluBelle85
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 11:23am
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I don't believe it's a comfort thing for all people who believe in God (particulary not those who call themselves 'religious' - I'm talking about those who often freely admit it. Who don't really partake in the religious side of things.
Sorry if you misunderstood me. I wasn't generalising about ALL "christians". |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 11:40am
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I believe heaven & hell are on earth & that its a material world... ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:08pm
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FORGIVENESS
"Bitterness and an unforgiving spirit can be likened to you taking poison and expecting that someone else would die from the effect. Forgiveness is about setting the prisoner in your heart free only to discover that all along, you had been the real prisoner." -- 'Tope Popoola "To forgive is the highest, most beautiful form of love. In return, you will receive untold peace and happiness." -- Robert Muller "One of the secrets of a long and fruitful life is to forgive everybody everything every night before you go to bed." -- Bernard Baruch "We are supposed to forgive everyone; everyone includes ourselves." -- Denis Waitley ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:24pm
That one would be the hardest, we always judge ourselves the most harshly. Booweeza, I think that having different beliefs wouldn't be any issue until you had kids then it might cause some friction. Luckily me and my DH are both atheist, but we will encourage Spencer to learn about all religions and to make his own decision about what to believe. Ultimately we all make our own decisions. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Listings.aspx?member=1738084 - Handmade Jewellery -------------
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:25pm
Does this mean everytime I watch Richie McCaw, I'm committing adultery? I always new I was a wicked woman -now I'm certain. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: my2angels
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:25pm
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Posted By: LuluBelle85
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:33pm
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Yeah, I would imagine that would be the case cuppatea.
Hubby and I both know and agree what we want to teach our kids re religion (when we have them, lol) but I imagine it would be hard in other cases where beliefs differ. fleury... lol! |
Posted By: Rachael21
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:52pm
| me too robyn. I think I understand and then someone says something that confuses me all over again. I think i might read the bible so I can make an informed decision and find out all the answers for myself. |
Posted By: susieq
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:53pm
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As i said earlier, i believe in God, i dont follow the bible very closely so I dont know the rules apart from thou shalt not murder etc.
Ive had personal experiences in my life that have made me decide whether or not i believe in God, i chose to believe in Him because I like the thought of someone else looking out for me. And just because Im hoping I'll see my loved ones again one day (in heaven) doesnt mean i dont cherish them as much as i can on earth. I think none of us know exactly why we choose the religions (or dont choose the religions) each other chooses therefore no one has the right to judge what the other has chosen, what may be good for someone isnt necessarily good for the other. Kelly -(caitlynsmygirl ) |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 12:55pm
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Of course we'll get lost in a material world- we got to much materials ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: my2angels
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 4:02pm
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I have always meant to read the bible cos I have no idea about soooo much stuff as religion was never a part of my family.
In the medium book I read though it says that the bible can be interpreted different ways and she actually had a conversation with a priest and they found that in many cases they agreed on things that were in the bible even though thier beliefs were suppose to be very different which i found interesting |
Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 4:26pm
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Posted By: Chovynz
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 4:29pm
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(sorry busymum. didn't see who was logged in.)
Yup. That's part of the problem. It CAN be interpretted many ways depending on how much you take out of it, what context you put it in, your background, the context of the history of where and when and why it was written etcetc... Most people who read it, stick with one interpretation and don't explore possible other meanings. Human nature. ------------- Defending the male species since 1980
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Posted By: Helen21
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 4:37pm
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Umm I not sure I lived enough to decide on my belief system, I believe in faith, I believe you have to have faith in something greater than yourself whether it be a God of sorts or faith in life itself.
I'm not sure I believe in heaven and hell however I believe that once you die is some way your spirt can still watch over loved ones and things like that. I have been to several different churchs christian and catholic also a jehovah witness one but none of them felt right, some of it just seemed way over the top. At the moment I'm reading the original translation of the exclusive bretheren bible cover to cover sort of out of interest more than anything else because my husband works at an exclusive bretheren business. This is the first bible I've ever read so I've got nothing to compare it to but I am finding it unbelievably sexist and some daughters had sex with their father so they could give him two sons!!! 
I am finding this whole religion thing so had to get my head around. Is religion one of those things where you sort of have to take the good pratical bit and leave the rest????Can someone please enlighten me?
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 4:43pm
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Thats why im ET..
GLOW - who knows the real meaning behind the name? ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 6:23pm
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Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending.
-Carl Bard ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: 11111
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 6:54pm
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I love these quote's they are so true. ------------- Deborah Mum to:
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 7:25pm
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In the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.
-The Beatles ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 7:27pm
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Depression, or a Dark Night of the Soul?
In all the press about Mother Teresa's dark night, I've heard countless people, myself included, refer to it as depression. Deborah Leavy Haverford of Pennsylvania wrote, "St. John of the Cross might have called the terrified sense of abandonment felt by Mother Teresa the 'dark night,' but nowadays it is known as depression." Umm yes... & no... ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 12 September 2007 at 7:57am
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I see all the different religious traditions as paths for the development of inner peace, which is the true foundation of world peace. These ancient traditions come to us as a gift from our common past. Will we continue to cherish it as a gift and hand it over the the future generations as a legacy of our shared desire for peace?
-His Holiness the Dalai Lama ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 12 September 2007 at 8:00am
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Art is a means of bringing about a higher form of life.
-Boris de Schloezer ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 12 September 2007 at 10:36am
| "courage is what it takes to stand up and speak,courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen" |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 12 September 2007 at 11:51am
I so agree!! It sucks knowing that there are people I love that I will not see in Heaven, it really really hurts, there is nothing comforting about that. I also don't believe in God and Jesus becuase of any comfort thing, life is still hard and it is still a struggle. But God is a real force in my life, even though I still go through hard times, He is still walking with me every day and guiding me and loving me. I have seen miracles happen in my life and in the lives of those around me since God has been with me. I used to a pagan, I used to believe in witchcraft etc...when hard times hit though, none of that did anything good at all, it was God who reached out, and picked me up and turned my life around. That is why I believe. I know He is real. And to answer the person who asked if you could be with someone who did not share your faith....no. If B had not come to Christ, we could not have married. End of story. But it was just another miracle God performed...B came to know Him within 5 months of us starting to date. But you cannot be with someone who does share your faith, it does not work and one person ends up dragged down. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 12 September 2007 at 1:43pm
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Ok the thing that trips me up is this. How come so many different Chruches have their own interpretation on the Bible - ok, I get that, we all read things and understand things a little differently, but they are all so ADAMANT that their way is the right way, the true way and all others are off to hell (which I don't believe in)
I come from a Catholic/ Anglican upbringing, have been to Apostolic, Methodist, Baptist churches in my teens, looking for a better "fit". These churches, along with Jewish people, Jehovah's, Mormans all have vastly different beliefs and if you ask any of them, they are the only ones who are right. I just don't get it. Personally I think it's in your heart, not your church. Lots of people go to church on sundays and "talk the talk", but like Kelly said, are no more christains than I am a car if I stand in the garage. I lean more towards my Catholic/Anglican roots, I guess, but I do struggle with the whole Hell and Devil thing, its a bit too hollywood for me. I don't go to church, I'm probably not going to Heaven, but I pray, I believe and I try to folloow the basic guidelines of "do unto others" etc. *shrugs shoulders* ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: my2angels
Date Posted: 12 September 2007 at 2:22pm
This is part of what i dont get, how do you know its God and not just your inner strength, what makes you think you couldnt have turned your life around yourself? I worry that some religions are well for want of a better word, brainwashing. And I dont mean you Paws but just in general. I used to work with a girl who was and im not sure if ive got it right but christadelphian or something like that and her husband (they were both only about 20) was so totally controlling that she wasnt even allowed to get her haircut unless he said she could. She had no idea of the real world because she had been kept so close to the church and family that if anything actually happened and for some reason she had to make it on her own I dont think she would have coped and that really scared me. And to those who have mentioned that you have had experiences etc.. that make you know there is a god, are you able to share some examples? I just cant see what sort of proof there is that God is doing good things. I would love to have your commitment and faith to something but at this stage Im not sure God has proven himself enough for me to believe he is real. Gosh thats a ramble isnt it... sorry and I dont mean to put down anyones believes but again Im just trying to understand. |
Posted By: Helen21
Date Posted: 12 September 2007 at 2:57pm
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I'm finding all this very interesting to read. But about the experiences of God I do find it all a little bit hard to believe. I think I like to believe in inner strength more than an outside force. But then again if I experienced it I would probably think a lot differently.
On a completely different note I am completely baffled by the exclusive bretheren. For example my husband works with them and they have two different smoko rooms one for the bretheren and one for the few that work there that are non bretheren because they are not allowed to eat with what they call 'worldly people'. They hire people to access the internet because they aren't allow to see it. Their kids even go to an exclusive bretheren only school. Women still aren't allow to wear pants so in the winter the reception girl would wear her uniform skirt down to her knees then f**k me boots up to her knees. Don't get me wrong they are really really lovely people but I don't understand why their religion can't change with the times a little but maybe I'm just a bit ignorant to religion. Can anyone explain to me what the importance is in religion to live without modern technology(tv, radio, internetetc)? |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 12 September 2007 at 3:22pm
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The town I live in has a lot of exclusive bretheren. They seem more like a cult than a religion - although some would challenge there is any difference.
I do find them a little hypocritical - in that they won't use technology themselves, but its ok to pay someone else to use it for them. Most religions operate with some type of control over its congregation, and the very human need to belong. Whether its their views on marriage, sex, homosexuality, treatment of women etc. Some people do need the sense community that religion provides. Which why I don't have any issues with other people and their beliefs. Personally I don't believe in the version of God and Jesus that is perptuated by the Christian Church. For me its too one sided. Its all about him and his son. What about his mother, and the female side of life. I think Jesus was no more than the Jewish Son of a Carpenter. I stopped following the Catholic faith I was raised in when I realised that I couldn't relate my life to the way Pope and the priests were telling me how to live it. It is an interesing topic - however I firmly believe that religion along with politics are two of those subjects which can be debated forever. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Helen21
Date Posted: 12 September 2007 at 3:56pm
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Thats so true, this could go on forever and just don't get me started on politics!
The exclusive bretheren bible is the first bible I have read so I not sure how different it is from the others but I was so shocked to read that because eve gave adam an apple to eat Jehovah Elohim(whoever that is?) punnished her by saying: "I will greatly increase thy travail and thy pregnancy; with pain thou shalt bear children; and to thy husband shall be thy desire, and he shall rule over thee." I'm very sorry to all those that believe in this particular part of the bible but I found it so condesending and just insulting!!  I see pregnancy and childbirth as a gift so this really p*ssed me off! I'm not sure I could accept any religion that embraces these sort of ideas.
My friend who was raised a catholic said I was taking it way too literally but I'm not to sure how else a female can take this sort of thing?
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 12 September 2007 at 6:22pm
When I first turned to God I was still involved in Wicca. I had separated from my husband and had gotten involved in a bad relationship. The first sign I knew God was real was when I was completely broken, I was suffering from severe depression and the wicca offered nothing. So I tried prayer. broken on the floor I looked up and sobbing said, "fine God, if you are real, tell me how I get through this and tell me RIGHT NOW!". My best friend texted me in that instance to ask me to church that weekend. I know some would say oh it's a coincidence, but it was too big a one for me. I went, I gave my life to Christ and from that day everything started turning around for me. I got involved in an Alpha course and during the session on healing I asked to be prayed for, I didn't want to be on meds any longer...I was prayed for and I came off my meds the next day with NO SIDE EFFECTS. With the dosage I was on that should not have happened. In the 7 years or so I have been a Christian I have been so much happier following God's word, not going out and getting drunk, not sleeping around, not doing all that stuff that I thought made me happy but didn't really. I have seen a close friend of mine healed, the first x-rays showed a fracture in her arm...the very next week after prayer there was no sign of the fracture. I prayed for exactly what I wanted in a husband, I was very specific....and I met brendan and was engaged less than a year later. I've seen a mum suffer an anurism (sp?) during birth and be told she would never recover, she would be a vegetable for the rest of her life. Our church prayed 24 hours a day literally and now she is out of hospital, she has learned to talk again and has learned to walk again and doctors can't explain it. Most recently I've seen a girl from B's work go into hospital after losing her baby, she was going to have to deliver the child, when a scan was done to check things out, a heart beat was found. She was told it was a matter of time before she lost the child, we prayed hard out and she still has that baby alive and well inside her and getting stronger every day. None of that comes from inner strength. It came from prayer and it came from God. It's why I have no doubt of God's works in my life. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Chovynz
Date Posted: 12 September 2007 at 6:30pm
Pride and judgement. Only God can say who's going to Heaven and Hell.
Guess where Hollywood got the inspiration
One thing (a deeply profound statement by my beloved ). Christianity isn't something that can be argued. It's something that can only be known and believed. Or not believed. Again, it's your choice.------------- Defending the male species since 1980
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 12 September 2007 at 6:43pm
True dat!! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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