60 minutes tonight
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Topic: 60 minutes tonight
Posted By: Sarah Beth
Subject: 60 minutes tonight
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 7:22pm
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I think it is 60 minitues (or 20/20 can't remember), but tonight at 8.30 on 3 it has a thing on circumcision the for and against ------------- "> 
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 7:24pm
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Yep 60 minutes, should be interesting. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: Mazzy
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 7:39pm
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On now! ------------- Mum to two gorgeous girls! |
Posted By: Mazzy
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 7:42pm
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Is anyone else cringing for baby Lachlan right now - don't do it! Don't do it! Can they drag it out any more??? I can't watch! ------------- Mum to two gorgeous girls! |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 7:52pm
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I only caught the last half of that piece, but it seemed a little one-sided ie. don't do it. I think the Rabbi of Auckland came across as a bit of a moron and he could have been far more articulate on his side of the debate, but overall the tone of the piece was pretty biased towards the anti-circumcision campaign. -------------  Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: Sarah Beth
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 7:53pm
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well after watching one, I am pleased we didn't get it done (we were just too unorganised!). There was no reason for us to do it at all, and it looked so sore for the poor wee boy, I was crying and he wasn't even my boy! ------------- ">
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Posted By: Mazzy
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:02pm
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I definitely couldn't do it, I just couldn't watch someone do that to my (hypothetical) boy! But it's a very personal decision to each family.
I didn't think it was a great article for either side, the guy who was anti was a bit woo woo I thought (who comes up with elastic and a film cannister to grow back your foreskin??). But I agree, it was more anti than balanced. The most striking thing about it for me was watching the wee baby get circumcised, made me not ever want to put any of my babies through that. Interesting argument about female circumcision. Is it any different? Ugh, just thinking about it makes me shudder. There's such an outcry about it being mutilation, what is different to male circumcision? ------------- Mum to two gorgeous girls! |
Posted By: mamanee
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:03pm
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I cried and held Sam really tightly. I am very against circumcision and really felt for that poor little boy.
No offense to anybody that is for it. |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:09pm
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LOL Mazzy I thought that guy was a bit woo-woo too, but then again, he is a parliamentary researcher so that in itself suggests he is socially challenged!
Willie and I discussed it when I was pregnant with the gremlins and had they been boys we would have had them circumcised. He's done and doesn't have any 'manhood' issues about it, and both my brothers, my dad etc. are all done (not that I'm looking LOL I just know they are!) so it's just 'normal' to me. But then we had all girls so thankfully we don't have to worry about that decision, we just get the whole teenage contraception thing instead  ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:11pm
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PS. I don't get the relationship between male and female circumsision? The big issues with female circumcision is that it is carried out on older girls against their consent in appalling conditions and usually by someone who is not a medical professional but rather a witch doctor or local butcher. I'd have an issue with male circumcision in the same circumstances, but that's very different to it being carried out in a surgery/hospital in sterile conditions by a trained professional. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:12pm
i couldn't do it to my boy either and felt sorry for poor lachlan i just don't see any benefits in doing it. each to their own i guess------------- http://www.alternatickers.com"> 
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Posted By: Mazzy
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:14pm
Fair enough, never thought of it like that. I just can't handle the thought of anything happening to my bits, in a hospital or not! LOL DH is against circumcision and as he's a guy this is his call. I remember asking mum about it when I was little (no idea how that topic came up!) and she explained it to me. I think it's another of those very personal parenting decisions. Not right for us, but not an issue for others. ------------- Mum to two gorgeous girls! |
Maya wrote:Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:06pm
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ARGH!!! I just typed out a huge ranty reply and it vanished! Is the censoring lock on tonight? lol
Anyways - I was saying that I believe both male and female circumcision is barbaric and can't see how it's ok when carried out on a boy in a sterile Dr's practice but not when done in the desert with a blade and a stone on a girl?!?!? DH is very much FOR, I'm 110% against and refused totally to have anyone do that to my child. IMO "cleanliness" (DH's excuse) is not reason enough! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
 
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:11pm
Same in this house. Luckily there is only one DR in Blen that does it and he dosen't really like doing it. I kind of think if they want it done, they can get it done themselves when they are old enough to make that choice? Not that they probably would. I do get the theological debate, though, but its not my thing. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:14pm
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One of the big deciding factors for me is that when I was younger the boy across the road had to be circumcised for medical reasons when he was about 13 and I'll never forget seeing him hardly able to walk for days afterwards. I didn't understand what was going on at the time, but now I think it would be far better to have it done as a minor procedure as a baby than under general anaesthetic at a much older age. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:16pm
As a girl seeing 1 Yep For, & cleanliness. Yea its not the norm but we are always gunna look different to our peers aint we? AS for the pain caused to a young 1? I know of a baby who cant remember & know of a adlut male who chose to? Adult male felt the most pain!! And he can remember it
AS it so happens i dont really care but feel for my boys whom the 1st other penis they see (& learn how to clean from) will be very very very different to their own
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:22pm
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Check out this link that someone posted on another thread about circumcision http://www.mothering.com/articles/new_baby/circumcision/protect-uncircson.html
I am totally against it and couldn't watch that boy getting it done. I think it is barbaric to circumcise a baby without any anaesthetic and after reading the above article I would be inclined to not do it even if I am told there is a "medical" reason for it. ------------- 
 
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Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:42pm
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I would look at the procedure differently if it were for medical reasons and done under some kind of anaesthetic.
You could also argue that sweat glands make you "unclean" but we don't have people chopping out their baby's armpits!!!! Circumcision is just as nuts sounding to me! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:49pm
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i just had to say... you dont have to chop out armpits, just get rid of the salt that you produce by absorbing it with crystals or something i think you call it smellies or deoderant. Maybe washing your baby will help, but remeber washing too much could also lead to skin disorders... ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: MummyFreckle
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:54pm
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I guess the arguement is that certain cultures believe this is "right and acceptable".... so I think thats where they were drawing the similarity. I agree with you though Emma, there is a big difference, but I dont think I agree with performing a procedure on a wee baby for religious purposes when that baby hasnt chosen that for themselves. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:07pm
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ROFL about armpits I looked at getting it done for Alize when I was preg with him but after reading up on all the research, speaking with the Drs I worked with and seeing the bubs come in post op to check wound totally changed my mind. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:08pm
ok - bad example! But why stop at armpits? I'll chop off DH's feet too! lol But you can see how unnecessary it is (to me at least) to remove other parts of the body for the reason of cleanliness. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:10pm
Yep i can see. That was so funny that i had to say something  ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:12pm
If a 13 yr old needs a general for it how comes its ok for a baby to have it done without any anaesthetic, at least the 13 yr old understood why he was in pain and knew it wouldn't last long. My chiropractor told me babies don't feel pain, this is what a lot of doctors think, and quite frankly that is the most insane thing I have ever heard, the only reason they get away with doing this is because babies are defenceless. I find it shocking that this still goes on in the "civilised" world. In England it is extremely rare for boys to be circumcised and rightly so. I will get off my soap box now -------------
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:41pm
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Umm coz im different
I think/ believe whatever; that a adult is going to have more skin there to remove than a baby under 6wks of age. Where do we live? NZ!! And Auckland happens to be? ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 7:50am
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I know we live in NZ I was just giving a comparison.
One thing that no one has mentioned is that a man's sexual experience is reduced from not having a foreskin, that is why it is done for religious purposes (and is the reason that women are circumcised too). Would you really want your child to lose that? -------------
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:09am
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And you know that how??? Are you a man?? Have you had comparisons with...
What they say is just their opinion/story; why do people always take it for truth- what other people say??? And 1 persons experiences is not how & the same as someone elses- it never will be coz ..... We are all differnt Exercise caution in your business affairs coz the world is full of trickery!! ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:14am
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I was told by a guy who was circumcised when he was 22 cos of an industrial accident. -------------
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Posted By: Red
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:17am
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Posted By: SMoody
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:20am
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When I was pregnant we did discuss it and I told him I dont know any of this stuff so he is the guy he has more say in this. So he decided circumsized. But then one day (after I had McKayla) I saw this one video and I couldnt even get through like a minute of it. (was a ten minute video). The dr kept on saying the reason why the boy is crying is because it is cold (yeah freaking right that child was screaming with everything he had in him.)
I showed hubby this and he looked for a minute and told me dont they give him anything for the pain like a local or anything? And I told him this dr said not needed. He just looked at me and said no way are they touching is boy if he has one one day. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:24am
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And that is the only *man* you can make comparision with?
To punish them Red!!! 
They would of been too clean otherwise!!! Funny how some are born with nothing!!! ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: peachy
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:30am
Totally agree here, if they are born with them why do we choose to remove them for no reason? If its removed for medical reasons, sure, that is a "need", but IMO its not even something up for consideration for DH and I, infact we haven't even discussed it, never will, its simply not an option. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: My3Sons
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:30am
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I didnt see this unfortunately but I am very much AGAINST! When I worked in the USA as a nanny for a Jewish family we attended a "bris"(I think thats what its called?). Anyway its tradition for the baby at I think 6 days old to be circumcised, they did it right then and there at the party
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The way that poor little boy screamed was hideous!!
Needless to say none of my boys will be!Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:50am
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circumcision is needless, unjustified mutilation. if my boys decided at 21 to get it done then it would be their choice and i would support that. but i refuse to take that choice away from them and alter the way they were born for aesthetic reasons or because it would be the same as their dads or because it would be easier to do a baby than older kid or because of outdated religious beliefs or any other excuse used.
to say that a man with a forsekin is more sensitive than one without is hard to prove cause as women we wouldnt know and frankly unless you were a grown male who had both as a grown male then there is no way to compare. |
Posted By: Jay_R
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 9:22am
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I'm with you GandT, I'm totally against it. Most people who have their son's 'done' these days cite cleanliness as their reasoning. Um, perhaps I'm missing something, but surely teaching your son how to keep himself clean does exactly the same thing, and doesn't hurt a bit???
And re the relationship between female and male circumcision - there isn't one. Female circumcision is done as a form of domination over women, to make sure they never enjoy sex (they remove the clitoris with a knife), therefore meaning they would never cheat on their husbands. There is no religious or medical reasons for it at all. |
Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 9:30am
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Have you had your clit pierced? Why do people Peirce??
Religious reasons?? 
Do you know why Jews do what they do??? ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |
Posted By: MummyFreckle
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 9:54am
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Piercing is a personal choice - not a choice made for you by your parents. Also - its not a permanent thing - you can remove a piercing at any time. It is my understanding that they jewish people believe that both Adam & Moses were created in Gods image, and they were both circumsised. Also - like so many Jewish commandments, the brit milah is commonly perceived to be a hygienic measure; however the biblical text states the reason for this commandment quite clearly: circumcision is an outward physical sign of the eternal covenant between God and the Jewish people. It is also a sign that the Jewish people will be perpetuated through the circumcised man. But - I am not Jewish, if you wanted to understand their reasons it would probably pay to ask someone jewish. BTW - its not JUST jewish people that do this. Many other religious groups also believe in circumsion. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 10:08am
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I couldn't and wont do it.
No one has a right to remove part of someone elses body without their permission. Watching it being done on 60 minutes only confirmed my stance, there was nothing pleasant watching that baby boy scream in agony, and then being told he's a good boy. I always thought the job of a parent was to protect their child not inflict pain on them. Maybe I'm misguided in that thought. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: jaz
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 11:06am
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I missed it because we had a blackout last night. Personally I wouldn't subject my son to it as a baby on the off chance there was a medical reason to do it later. As for hygiene, you should be having a shower or a bath every day anyway. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Glow
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 11:14am
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There are countries or religious groups who pierce for religious reasons. Look at th African countries
Yes Jews arent the only groups to get circumcised!! Why where they discriminated against? Killed even?? Coz they were different. Hitler didnt like them- did he. They had no skin on the penis & had brown hair & eyes. Not people the *proper people* should mix with?? What parents do to their children is their business. It is after all their kids that they are conditioning. So what they do is their problem.... ------------- Mummy of Two Boys B: 2004 K: 2007 |