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Topic: So can I bad mouth a daycare???
Posted By: mummy_becks
Subject: So can I bad mouth a daycare???
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 2:50pm

I so want to take Andrew and Josh out of this daycare as they won't comprimise and let Josh go with cloths. But I don't want to take Andrew away from his friends.

He has to be in sposies while he is there , but they will put a cloth on him before he comes home. And I will put a cloth on him in the morning and they can change it as soon as I leave for all I care. He will have his butt smothered in cream at all times and I ain't signing anything for him to have the cream as they don't want him with his nappies.

So where can I bad mouth this daycare and get it out there that they don't support cloths as the licenee is a snotty nosed b!tch.



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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:02pm
Are you actually going to change daycares?

From what Shandi tells me I'm not impressed with them let alone how they dicked you around saying cloth was ok.


Posted By: MILF
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:26pm
how difficult is it to use cloth - they dont have to wash them, rinse them or do anything to them, just put them in a bag and pull a drawstring?

have you thought about making up some bags like the peapods have, for each individual nappy to go in, then all they have to do is put the nappy into the small bag, and then into a bigger one. simple really! although i wouldnt envy you dealing with it all at the end of the day, pooey!

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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 3:27pm

It would be unfair on Andrew to change him as he has so many friends there. I'm hoping that when he moved to the toddler side it will be ok.

If they had of told me from the beginning I would of looked at other places then so Andrew could of moved then, but I wouldn't get a place for both of them to start next month.



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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 4:16pm

Yep tried all of that Lyla. They keep going on about how the soiled nappy will be a health hazard as it won't be sealed away like the sposies are in the sanginic bin.

I love the staff there as Andrew has been there since day dot almost but this has just really upset me.

So its kinda a good thing that I hadn't sold all my sposies I had brought while I was pregnant so at least I don't have to buy any for a long time.



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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 4:40pm
as a preschool teacher this sucks... as you say if they had said no then that's different but they didnt..as for not being hygenic that is crap..we just double bagged the nappies if we needed to change them(threw out inserts depending on what kind etc) and told the parents they were there at the end of the day..

the problem is if you have a complaint against the licensee you rally have to go above her which would be the MOE... unless you want to try talking directly to her first?

i just dont get why they said it was fine and then changed their minds?

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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 4:46pm
What a waste of money to buy sposies when you have already invested in cloth tho


Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 4:51pm
yeah really if it was me i probably would (if you cant go any higher than her and think you will get no response from her) go further up.. they will be found to be wrong because they said they would then changed their minds...it's such a little thing they need to get over it:(

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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 5:48pm

Now if only my MP was still the Minister of Education. I'm going to look around at other daycares. If when he moves to the toddler side they say they can't have it.

Hmm just thought of another thing to bargian with. SO soiled nappies are a problem, whats the difference between a nappy and a soiled pair of undies???



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Posted By: Katherine
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 8:07pm

Well... I worked at a daycare when I was at uni, in the infant room, so I can try to give you a lowly daycare worker's perspective (since it's usually the lowly ones who are stuck changing nappies).

I worked in the infant room, which had one teacher, one teacher's aide, and two to three classroom assistants. There were up to 20 babies in the room, and we were full to capacity most days. If we weren't full, one of the assistants would get pulled to work in the toddler room, which always had at least 25 kids and one teacher, one teacher's aide, and only one assistant, since the child-adult ratio was different.

In the infant room we changed the nappies at certain "o'clock" times, whether they needed it or not. Nappies were always changed at 10am, noon, 2pm, and 4pm. They were also always changed whenever we noticed they were dirty, so some kids got 6 nappy changes in a day. Every time we changed them, we had to write down the time the nappy was changed and whether it was wet or a poo. One assistant would do the changing, and another one would write down what they called out as to whether it was wet or poo. I got very fast at changing nappies and holding down squirming babies!

Changing 20 babies 4-6 times a day EACH was a mission. It took a good half an hour each time to change all the babies, which means that nappies were being changed for three hours out of the day. Imagine spending three hours each day changing nappies! It would drive you mental!

The daycare I worked at also didn't allow cloth nappies, for a number of reasons. Hygiene was one of those reasons, as well as the necessity of keeping a separate nappy pail from the disposables and sanitising it (because the centre would not have known whether the parents properly sanitised it or not). Having poo nappies sitting around, whether they were double-wrapped or in a pail, was not seen as hygienic either. The centre also didn't know whether dirty cloth nappies were washed in hot enough water to kill bacteria, which was another one of their reasons. The fact that it was classroom assistants changing nappies, not the main teachers, was another consideration -- it was a summer job for me, so I left after three months to go back to school, meaning they had to spend time training someone else. Cloth nappies are easy to use for an experienced mum, but for a teenaged assistant who has never changed a nappy before, it can be confusing. Heck, the time I stayed over at Emma's to look after her gremlins, I couldn't figure out her vast array of cloth nappy supplies so I resorted to the disposables!

I think the issue here is that the centre told you they were happy for you to bring cloth nappies, and now they are reneging on their promise. Which you have every right to be annoyed about. I suggest you talk to the head of the centre and explain that you enrolled your child there with the understanding that cloth nappies were acceptable, and now they are reneging on their agreement. Perhaps you could suggest to them that you will be more than happy to use disposables if they will provide them, or if they will take the cost off of your weekly fee. It might get them to reconsider!



Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 10:10pm

Wow Katherine our daycare has the same change times lol. Bugger they are reneging on the agreement of cloth. I hope you are able to get it sorted soon.



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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 10:16pm
yes BUT...her daycare said it was ok then changed their minds..thats the difference...and i have worked at both..one that changed for no reason(its so weird) and one that didnt..its not the kids fault or the parents that there are lots of kids( i so understand it from both sides)

..I hated having to change 16 nappies 3 times a day for a week:( ick.. but as i said they said they would and then changed their minds! and the problem is with the head of the centre i assume who is also the licensee? or am i wrong?

as far as wrapping them double bagged..thats the best we could do then zip them up in a bag because our policy was to do whatever the parents wanted ..if that was cloth then that was cloth...but we were a smaller centre so didnt have 90 nappies a day to change:(!!

ps- LOTS of preschools have those stupid change times:( its frustrating..!!! sorry it just makes me mad when kids are treated like numbers :( *hence i ended up a supervisor at a centre with not very many children it was great!!!) :) *

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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 15 January 2008 at 10:25pm
What is the centre gonna do when the cloth revolution happens and no one uses yucky disposables anymore?

Could they not get some kind of sangenic bin for the cloth nappies?

Personally I think they are just being t**sers about it, so many centres will do cloth that I don't see as one could have a hygiene reason when others don't. Personally I would take the kids out, find somewhere that excepts cloth and arrange play dates so that Andrew can keep in touch with his friends.

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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 7:36am
which reminds me i have to check with my daycare if they do cloth.


Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 9:25am
could you say that Andrew is allergic to something in the dispoables and can only use cloth?


Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 10:50am

Originally posted by nzpiper nzpiper wrote:

could you say that Andrew is allergic to something in the dispoables and can only use cloth?

Did that (and its Josh, Andrew is the big one ). So when I see my dr on Friday Josh is coming with me and i'm going to be getting a script for a million tubes of the cream to go on his butt so that I have it at home and at daycare so he doesn't get a rash. But... I tried a sposie on him yesterday to make sure they did fit him and he has a nasty rash this morning  on his leg.



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Posted By: 3boys
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 9:00pm
I don't buy the hygiene excuse - there is little difference between either nappy as long as it is wrapped up once used. I think it is really crap what they are doing as they said yes to you in the beginning.

I would go to the MOE and find out if they have a policy on the handling of cloth nappies! I bet they don't differentiate between the two.

At least your nappy will be washed and used again as opposed to sitting in a landfill with the other millions of disposables outlasting our children's children! Sorry - a bit of a greenie here

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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 9:05pm

No greenie away i'm quite happy to be that way - i'm changing my ways.



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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 10:32pm
You could always write a letter to the ed of the local paper Becks.
I'm planning on sending my children to the Feilding branch of that daycare and they one business of the year in 07.

I would have thought they were a more progressive centre and welcome MCNs I don't see the big deal put them in a bag and send them home.

Surely its got to reduce the amount of sposies they have to get rid of.

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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 16 January 2008 at 10:36pm

I know, I do know that one of the mums that has a child at the preschool and is putting her baby into care later this year uses them. Maybe I should team up with her to get them to change their ways.

They keep going on about how the other children may be able to get into the bag. Now Andrew sometimes struggles with the snaps so I can't see a baby being able to get into the bag.



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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 17 January 2008 at 7:27am
That's a daft excuse they only need to pick the bag off the floor and out of children reach and the kids can't be very well supervised if they are allowed to get into bags belonging to other children.

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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 17 January 2008 at 9:15am

Yep, I spoke with one of the teachers about it at the preschool and she wasn't very impressed either.



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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 17 January 2008 at 9:21am
Poor Josh, I hope his butt doesn't end up like it did last time if he reacted after 1 sposie on his bum.


Posted By: MILF
Date Posted: 17 January 2008 at 12:16pm
what are children doing wandering around in the changing area unsupervised anyway? in our daycare the changing area was the toilet/washing/sink area, so was not for kids to just go in an play in. and i am sure you could provide a zipped bag for all the other bags to go in, to stop kids getting into it. most kids are curious, but they would really have to be fixated on one particular bag to open it up.

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Posted By: MyMinis
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 12:42am
thats horrible.
the childcare centre boo is starting at will use cloth if requested, provides all sposy nappies, and otehr things needed and the nappy change area is in the locked room so no kids can get in there without supervision.

i wonder how they coped in the day of no sposies eh lol

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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 7:25am
Originally posted by MyMinis MyMinis wrote:


i wonder how they coped in the day of no sposies eh lol


That would have been over 30 years ago and I don't think they had daycare for under 2s back then.
You had to be TT to go to kindy.

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Posted By: aussiegirl
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 9:29am
I work in a kindy now but used to be in a daycare and I remeber the first time I came across a cloth nappy (about 5 years ago) I was quite dubious. But we respected the parents wishes to use cloth nappies and just placed them in a plastic bag for Mum to collect at the end of the day It worked out fine for everyone.

It will be interesting to see if daycare centres change their views on cloth nappies now they are becoming more and more common.
Good luck mummy_becks!

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Posted By: MyMinis
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 9:34am
when i was in daycare back 20 odd yrs ago they didnt use disposables, my mum used to have all my cloths prefolded ready for the day did the same for my sister and my sisters 22.
both of us were fully TT by 2.
sposies were out back then but who wouldve wanted to sue them they were seriously plastic lol

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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 18 January 2008 at 11:02am

Well Josh had a sposie on yesterday, and his butt is fine just a bit of redness around his legs. So who knows maybe it was just a bad day. I have about 500 sposies that he can use at daycare so long as I don't have to bring any home or put any on him - I managed to break 3 yesterday when trying to put the tab on him pulled it right off.



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