Would you speak up?
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Topic: Would you speak up?
Posted By: MrsMojo
Subject: Would you speak up?
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 11:16am
As you all know there are quite a few cases of child abuse (and abusive partners etc) and sometimes when you read through the articles neighbours are quoted as saying that they noticed odd behaviour or they were shocked to see a toddler wandering the streets unsupervised or they heard screaming etc.
These people come forward and mention these things in hindsight but didn't alert authorities at the time. I guess we live in a society of "what we don't know doesn't hurt us" and "it's better to keep our nose out of things that don't involve us".
What would you do if you suspected abuse in one of your neighbours homes?
I'd really like to say when push comes to shove I'd step in and call the police.
I've never been in an extreme situation but when I was preg we lived next door to a couple who were always fighting and I woke from one of my afternoon naps because he was throwing objects across the room and they were banging against the bedroom wall behind me. I did nothing, just waited for the tirade to stop.
Later on we got a neighbour that screamed at her 8yo son and called him awful names. Not all the time, sometimes they seemed to get on really well but other times she was a real b!tch. Again I minded my own business but when he was being ultra noisy late at night I got into the habit of tapping on his bedroom window and asking him to be quiet rather than talking to his mum, so he wouldn't get yelled at.
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Posted By: Mama2two
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 11:19am
I used to not say or do anything, but up until recently we had some neighbours that clearly were abusing their kids and themselves!
One night it got so bad I ended up calling the police and it turned out I was about the 5th call in the past 15 minutes! It was sort of nice to know other neighbours had called.
I know I would want someone to call if they thought Sam or I was in danger
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Posted By: Roxy
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 11:48am
I would deff like to think that I would call the police.As you said I would hope someone would do the same for me and the kids.Sometimes Im sure women or children that are being abused are waiting and wishing for someone to take the decision outa there hands to ask for help.Hingsights a great thing isnt it.....
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Posted By: NeoshasMummy
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 11:52am
I would speak up!!!
I have once before and the father came over and started yelling at me. He knew I had rung the police because he saw me questioning his 7 year old son who had a black eye and a very swollen arm.
The kid tried to tell me it was from the sun. What?
It turned out his arm had been broken for 2 weeks the children were removed and put into cyfs care. I ended up moving away from the neighbourhood because the threats became so bad. But I would still do it in a heartbeat. He would have ended up killing one of thoses kids and I could not have lived with that! Gee the stories from south Auckland
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 11:55am
Well done Neoshasmummy. I think you definitely made the right decision.
When you look at it that way - weighing up the inconvenience of moving compared to a childs life - it's not a tough choice really.
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 11:57am
Well if it was that obvious that there is obuse I would call the cops YES. But most time its hard to say.
For example this morning I decided that need to trim the nails on DD's toes...so I took off her socks and as I was about to start she screamed and screamed and screamed untill I finished. Any one would have thought that I was hitting her. I hope no one ever calls the cops on us.....as we never hit DD and never will. LOL
I also hate to see small children wondering aroun the street at 7-8pm....
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Posted By: NeoshasMummy
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 12:04pm
MrsMojo wrote:
Well done Neoshasmummy. I think you definitely made the right decision.
When you look at it that way - weighing up the inconvenience of moving compared to a childs life - it's not a tough choice really. |
Exactly! I Can sleep at night! I hope that son of a b***h CAN'T!
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Posted By: Aprilfools
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 12:44pm
Yep I would call the police. I have done in the past for domestic arguments but thankfully have never come across a child that I felt may be being abused.
Thankfully the area we are in is nice and peaceful and our neighbours are generally older (although you just never know) but I have to admit when living elsewhere to being one of those neighbours that's got their ear to the window whenever I heard something.
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Posted By: Andie
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 1:08pm
I don't hesitate to call the police if I know what I can hear is someone being hurt - done it before, plenty of times. We have a habit of attracting abusive neighbours in the houses surrounding ours. The family who used to be right next door were the worst - he was a big, strong, very violent man who took it all out on his partner, and there were kids who lived with it all. When I heard them starting up (he got really very violent), I'd go over there and bang on the door until she'd come out, and I'd call the police. The last time it happened, we heard all the shouting and banging, SIL was staying at the time and she sat there terrified listening to him, we called 111, and then the kids arrived at our house, saying that he was holding a large knife against her! Thankfully the police arrived just then and dealt with him quickly, but nothing any of us did or said got her to shift away from him. It was really heartbreaking. They moved away, and sometimes I wonder if she's still alive... she seemed the loveliest lady, and there was something so special about those kids. We've got neighbours now who fight violently and loudly on occasion - I don't feel stink about ringing the police. I'd hate to think that I'd been part of letting someone get away with treating a person so badly.
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 1:10pm
I would and I have.
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 1:26pm
I was thinking about this some more over lunch and thinking about what you said Roskana about your DD screaming her head of just because her nails were being cut. To tell the truth I'd rather have police knock on my door to check up on Michaela if the neighbours heard her screaming than the knowledge that my neighbours wouldn't do anything.
Part of the issue is that many of us don't get to know our neighbours so we can't differentiate between a neighbour who's kids screaming because they're having a tanty as opposed to a neighbour whose kid's screaming because their being repeatedly violently abused.
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 2:46pm
Posted By: Neeks
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 2:51pm
I would too!!
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Posted By: SMoody
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 3:08pm
I think the fact that the police havent been called on me yets is a miracle. The amount of screaming my child does people must seriously think we are bad parents. If I tell her it is say for exxample bed time she can scream until she is blue in the face.
She also lately started crying and saying oh that hurts when not one of us are even touching her. Talking about her heart ect.
I will call if I think there is abuse, specially if it is more than once ect.
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Posted By: kabe
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 3:10pm
In my previous job I often had to make referrals to CYFS when I suspected abuse, so wouldn't hesitate to call the police or CYFS.
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Posted By: MummyFreckle
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 3:24pm
I wouldnt think twice about it if I thought the kids were being hurt. We live close to a group of state houses, that are in a serious state of dis-repair, (apparently they are going to tear them down and build new ones), so there are old weathboards, and other assorted old house cr*p all over the place, and there are often very little kids in nappies and nothing else playing on the road and in the gutters, it absolutley breaks my heart, but I know that there is nothing I can do about it. I am terrified that someone will come speeding down the road and hit one of them. We (me and all my neighbours) know that they play in the road so we are always keeping an eye open when driving, but if you didnt know then there is a real risk of hitting one of them.
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 3:31pm
I wouldn't hesitate. I'd rather make the call and be wrong than not and someone get really hurt. But at least if theres that possibility of something wrong happening in a neighbouring house I know I've at least made an effort to alert someone to it.
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Posted By: Tiff
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 7:04pm
Yup, before my parents and I moved to the country we lived next door to a dude who beat his partner and my parents called the police several times, even turned the hose on him a couple of times. Quite close to home for us as my mum's first husband was a very violent, cruel man.
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Posted By: james
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 7:16pm
yep you never know it may be the time they get awy
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Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 8:23pm
Im very lucky that i have never been in the situation where i've had to make that decision.
But if i even hestitated for a millisecond, i think all i'd have to do is picture the Kahui twins, or that little boy who went back at 3 to his birth mother , or Nia Glassie , or any of the many victims , and i would be reminded that perhaps if someone had spoken out for them , their outcomes would have been different (better different)
So yes, children unfortunatly don't have enough of a voice, and rely on us to speak up for them , so yes, i would.
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Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 8:27pm
i was thinking about this last night after reading the news item about the twins that died in oz..........the neighbours said they hardly saw the parents or the twins and the other kids would come over and always ask for food. they also noticed the young one (2-3?) wandering around the street!!!!
why oh why didn't they call someone and get them to check it out!!!?????
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 8:34pm
i would like to think I would too. but it's tough.
I have been in situations where jake has told people "mummy made me sore", or when they ask how he got the bump on his head he has said "mummy" - kinda funny, but also a little worrying! (BTW, in those cases I haven';t even been with him when the accidents happen)
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Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 8:43pm
I called the police on my neighbours last summer as I could hear what sounded like the mother hitting a baby. I rang straight to the child abuse team at the Lower Hutt police station and they were around in the families home within 30mins. Althou I didnt see anything the police were very happy I had called. The family were a different culture so the police went thru the law about no violent towards children and the family were happy with that. The police then rang me back to let me know how it went. I was very impressed.
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Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 8:43pm
And I would do it again in a heart beat.
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Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 9:18pm
I would, but I struggle with the whole issue of when to call, ie are they screaming because they don't want shoes on to go outside or because they are being hit? It's probably a miracle that we have never had the cops called on us either cause we have the only three preschoolers in the street so they probably get rather roudy at times!
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Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 9:28pm
I could hear loud slapping along with screaming from the mum that is waht did it for me but like T sometimes sounds like Alize is getting murder when he is rolling around screaming because I have tied the pantry shut lol
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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 9:50pm
lizzle wrote:
i would like to think I would too. but it's tough.
I have been in situations where jake has told people "mummy made me sore", or when they ask how he got the bump on his head he has said "mummy" - kinda funny, but also a little worrying! (BTW, in those cases I haven';t even been with him when the accidents happen) |
When my sister was about four she fell over got a black eye (or as she tells it I pushed her over). When my Dad got home he asked what happended, Mum replied sarcastically "I punched her" . The next day her teacher at preschool asked my sister what happened she replied "Mummy punched me". The school called DOCS (or cyfs) and my parents had a visit.
The things kids say!
FYI, My mum didnt punch her, but I did push her... boy did I get in trouble!
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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 9:52pm
Oh, I pushed her because she pulled my hair! She was a mean little sister.
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 18 June 2008 at 11:54pm
In the case of children walking the streets I have done. I was sitting out the front of my place last summer and I heard some kids crying walking down the street carrying a bag each. I paniced and got the kids to stay where they were and rung the cops straight away. I couldn't get a name or anything out of the kids. The cops arrived and as they arrived the family was walking down the other end of the street looking for them. The kids had snuck out (they were 18 months and 3 years I would guess) or the hosue and the gates.
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Posted By: LJsmum
Date Posted: 19 June 2008 at 12:20pm
Would do and have in the past a few times mainly for domestic voilence and fights in the street. Don't think children were involved.
Why not ring, The police were great and came out.
I remember when I was teenager and living at home there was a very abusive fight happening at the neighbours next door you could hear the guy saying he was going to kill her e.t.c. I was 15 yrs at the time and didn't hesitate for a second to call the cops. I ring the police and they came out straight away.
My mum was panicing and couldn't do it so I did, I'm glad i did, i watched as they took him away and she was safe.
I live in South Auckland If only i lived near the Kahui's
more people need to ring
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