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Topic: OMG not happy at tv3
Posted By: JadeC
Subject: OMG not happy at tv3
Date Posted: 28 August 2008 at 9:42pm
Did anyone else see the start of Inside New Zealand tonight? OMG I am fuming right now! They showed an old guy talking you through a "foolproof" way to kill yourself. Nice. Like NZ doesn't have a high enough youth suicide rate, let's fricken put new methods on television! I can't get over how irresponsible they are!
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 28 August 2008 at 9:43pm
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I have just turned it over I was watching Hells Kitchen, but it isn't the same without Gordon. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: JadeC
Date Posted: 28 August 2008 at 9:53pm
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Ugh, after that intro I couldn't watch anymore. They honestly showed all the steps to take, and the items to use, and how to make it "real".
I have no problem with voluntary euthenasia, but there was absolutely no need to show that on tv. ------------- http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: MissAngel
Date Posted: 28 August 2008 at 9:55pm
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Yea i changed the channel and am watching 20/20 instead.
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 28 August 2008 at 10:03pm
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You can complain to the BSA http://www.bsa.govt.nz/complaints-intro.php - here , which is probably a good idea as they are giving you info on how to kill yourself and that really isn't on. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: MissAngel
Date Posted: 28 August 2008 at 11:08pm
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I complained. ------------- Alex, Thomas and Lily http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: BugTeeny
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 7:27am
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I didn't even watch it and I've complained!
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Posted By: caraMel
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 8:24am
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I complained too. Disgusting and so dangerous! ------------- Mel, Mummy to E: 6, B: 4 and: 
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 9:34am
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I complained. I fully believe in the right to choose when you are sick, having watched my dad and all his family die awful deaths, however, with Anges death still so painfully fresh in my mind, I just can't believe they actually told you how to do it. I turned over. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 9:57am
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Thank God we didnt watch it!! How horrible! Was watching 20/20......
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Posted By: arohanui
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 10:02am
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I didn't watch it either but have complained, that's shocking. ------------- Mama to DS1 (5 years), DS2 (3 years) and... http://alterna-tickers.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Daizy
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 10:04am
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They did say at the begining they they had cut out some crutial steps to make it succesful, because they didnt want to show people how to atcually do it.
I still think it was pretty shocking, I'm sure people could do just what he did and still be able to do it! Normally I would agree that it isnt fair for people to have to suffer but all those people all seemed pretty with it still. Didnt watch much of it though, the begining put me off ------------- 
 
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Posted By: MissAngel
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 10:17am
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They cut out crucial steps? That was a bunch of crap. The bloody plastic bag, rubber band and face mask is all you need! /me swears
I think it's immoral and disgusting. I totally agree with if you wanna go, then you're gonna go, but theres no need to put it on TV!!!!!!! ------------- Alex, Thomas and Lily http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:33pm
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I'm in two minds about it really, yes I think the portraying of him with his plastic bag and going through the steps was off but also it's TV and they're going to put in shock value. Plus I don't see how it's any worse than watching horror movies etc that give you a million ways to kill yourself or others - you have a choice to watch it and if you don't want to, switch the channel.
I watched the whole doco and was quite interested by it, and the reasons the oldies gave for it. I still struggle with it being so open, but I can also see where it would have its place. And these were not young, well people talking about topping themselves either - all of them had serious ailments, like one woman who discussed the fact that soon she would have such brittle bones that the small task of walking could cause her bones to snap. God I wouldn't want to 'live like that'. I also don't understand why you would complain if you didn't see the doco? That seems a bit odd to me as you don't even know what you're complaining about? |
Posted By: arohanui
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:36pm
I know exactly what I'm complaining about, that they showed step by step how to top yourself..... ------------- Mama to DS1 (5 years), DS2 (3 years) and... http://alterna-tickers.com" rel="nofollow">
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emz wrote:Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:47pm
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*turns around and lurks back out* ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year  http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: sally belly
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:52pm
Lol lilfatty, I'm right behind you  -------------    
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 1:57pm
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And they said the exact name of the drug you can buy to overdose yourself. I realise that that information is probably readily available onthe net etc, but I am shocked that it was just out there on the tele.
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 2:14pm
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I didn't complain as I didn't see that bit, just provided the place to complain too. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: jaz
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 4:09pm
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I thought the opening scene was awful showing you how easily you could commit suicide and given our teen suicide rate, inappropriate. The rest of the documentary was quite interesting. Each of them had their own rationale.
What I found bizzare is that the woman who actually did it was off travelling overseas two months before her death. She just wanted to time her own death before she lost her independence. To me that is suicide not euthenasia. She didn't have a terminal illness or physical disabilities that severely inhibited her quality of life like the others did. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 4:34pm
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My friend's mother killed herself after my friend finally told her that her step father had been sexually abusing her since she was 13 (and in the suicide note the mother actually said it was because she "couldnt chose between her husband and her daughter " WHAT A WINNER !)
Another friend's boyfriend of 6 years killed himself 3 years ago. Watching my friends go through the mental anguish , the what ifs , and whys ,is why i wouldn't want to see it promoted...however i think if your going to do it , you will already have a plan of how to do it in place, regardless of a tv programme. I think the bigger issue is , if thats what they are showing now, what else will they show later ? WIll i turn on my tv one day to see ways on how to rape someone ? As for euthenasia, or wanting to end your life if you were sick , i am more sympathetic for ,we dont expect our animals to suffer so , why should we expect our loved ones to? but thats JMHO ------------- 
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Posted By: Natalie_G
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 6:37pm
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I agree, people should have the choice to have in a will or something like that basically saying, if I am brain dead etc I want the plug pulled.
Seeing both of my grandparents one with terminal cancer and the other had a stroke, just watching them suffer was worse than the funeral. At least at the funeral they were in peace. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  
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Posted By: JadeC
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 9:37pm
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who was bothered by it!
My postgrad research was in youth suicide, so it's a pretty touchy topic for me. And ITA with whoever said they didn't blank out crucial bits at all, it was pretty ridiculous. ------------- http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 10:30pm
I watched the whole show and afterwards I felt really disturbed. The beginning should have been enough to tell me to change channels but I am a sucker for a train wreck 
What disturbed me the most tho is the lady that actually went thru with it. She wasn't sick, she had just decided she didn't want to get old and sick. But who knows, she could have lived another 10-15 years and passed peacefully in her sleep with no pain or sickness. It just seemed an awfully pessimistic view, and the end part where they showed the coffin going to be cremated with no one there around her and then the crematorium chimney was seriously unnerving. I felt really, really uncomfortable about it and had trouble sleeping afterwards. I wish I hadn't watched it. -------------  Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 9:21am
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I have to agree about the lady that went through with it - she was more about suicide than euthanasia.
I did gain a lot of respect though for the guy in his 80's who had a plan to end it when his condition got too bad - he had talked it over with his family etc and I just thought it would be a nice way to go. Seeing my grandfather struggling for the last 10 years being kept alive by all sorts of medications, surgeries and procedures is dreadful. He has no great quality of life and he's definitely not resembling any form (other than partially physically) of the husband, father, grandfather and friend everyone loves. We have all already mourned him because he is no longer here. If he had the choice I bet he would've chosen to go out on a high than for his whole family to remember the last few years as being so hard on everyone, so painful for my grandmother having to be his carer. But the only thing he can do is refuse treatment which is how he is starting to go now - but I'll tell you it's an incredibly horrifying process, one that I would not want to see any animal or human go through - yet we let it happen. The thing is - a lot of older people who go down the VE route do it because they have had so much medical intervention and they wish nature would take its course sooner. But wellmeaning family and medical professionals keep drugging them up and doing procedures on them that keeps them alive but not always living IYKWIM. If we were living 50 years ago it wouldn't be an issue because most of these people wouldn't have known about cancers etc and then they would have just got sick all of a sudden, given some morphine to be comfortable, and slipped away. Now you get families like mine where we are responsible for toileting my elderly relatives etc (which I can honestly say is one of the worst things I've ever had to do) because they can't do anything themselves. I still don't see what the big deal is though - we show recreations and doco's on murders, rapes, beatings, bombings etc where people are taking their own or other people's lives in their hands so why is it any different? TV is just a form of media - and if people want to do it all they have to do is google it and there'll be plenty of info there for them. Like I said - if you don't like it, don't watch it. I don't like Coro St so I don't watch it  And IMHO I don't see how you can complain to the BSA about a particular part of a programme if you didn't watch that particular part? The BSA is there to hold channels accountable for things they do, but how can you lay a formal complaint when you can't actually give in detail an account of what happened?
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 10:45am
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I agree with you there, I didn't see that part so had no right to make a complaint. Had of I seen it I might of made a complaint. Even if they left a few vital steps out people can still look it up on the net and get those few steps. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: JadeC
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 10:49am
Seriously? You can't see the difference between a stylised, made-for-tv display of violence and a walk-thru explaination of how someone can take their own life? 
I can't honestly believe you are relating something like this to Coro St, there is no simmilarity. Depression and suicide are huge major problems in our country, and the fact is, if someone is already down and low and feeling hopeless, then this type of instruction on how to end their life (especially when portrayed as peaceful and easy) is incredibly dangerous! There are strict rules against the media portraying suicide, and this, clearly, broke those rules. ------------- http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 11:05am
I wasn't talking about stylised programmes, I said about doco's and recreations, I mean recreating real events etc. I see far more disturbing stuff on the news than what I saw on that doco. I do think it was very out there and yes maybe it did breach codes which the BSA will have to investigate but at the end of the day, if someone is going to kill themselves they will do it regardless of a TV show. And if you actually tried the bag trick the way the guy did it, it wouldn't work properly as a healthy person would continue to wake themselves up. You would have to take a sedative beforehand, I think that's what they meant by leaving vital parts out of the equation. I am in no way saying suicide is the way either, but I do believe that if people are in their right mind, they should be able to make an informed decision on ending their lives for medical reasons (not just because they want to - those people will always do it anyway, and yes I know from experience of a few friends). Coro St was just an example, maybe a bad one, but what I'm getting at is if you don't like what you're watching, change the channel. But anyway, doco's are meant to cause people to discuss and they're usually controversial so I think they did a pretty good job from that respect. |
Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 12:37pm
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I have to agree with Emz , re the "if someone was going to do it they would regardless of a tv show " ...actually i already said it ..COPY CAT
I think , that people who go through with suicide are so far past the point of caring about anything that they will be so set in their minds to do it, nothing they see on a tv program will be here or there....Im not saying it was right to show ways to do it , but i dont think it would make that many people want to do it ....I hope im right about that anyway ! -------------
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Posted By: JadeC
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 1:54pm
Actually, research has shown that that's not the case. It's like talking about suicide in schools. Yes, some people will always attempt, but by talking about suicide in an unsafe manner (just like this was) you do actually increase the numbers of people who will attempts. So we can't really use that as a reason to allow this kind of thing to be shown online, because it does have an effect. Showing methods to the general population does put those who are vulnerable at further risk. ------------- http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: pepsi
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 5:59pm
I felt quite sad when they showed the empty crematorium and agree she seemed like she had plenty of years left in her. I think it came down to her being lonely and bored with life? No family, and looks like no friends, living in a depressing little apartment block. I dunno...was just sad because she seemed lovely. Personally, although I am a complainer when it comes to bad service etc, I'm not so much inclined when it comes to tv shows and agree with emz from the point of view of not watching it if you don't like it.. Ultimately they have already shown the programme and no amount of complaining will change the fact it has been on. |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 30 August 2008 at 7:06pm
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its not so much Us not watching it if we don't like it, its those who already have ideas.
To me, its similar to showing how to make naplam on tv Or how to get away with murder or how to rape someone. Those recreations probably get similar complaints from people who have been in those situations as well, and rightly so. It is very painful to see something so close to the bone being portrayed in such a nonchalant way. you can "leave out:" parts but the general idea was very very clear. To me its the same as the constant showing of dead victims onthe news and in the print media and in coffins etc, fallen where they were killed. Totally do not need to be showing this onthe tele. I do understand what you are all saying along the lines of VE, and agree to a point, I have watched my dad and the rest of his fmaily die cruel and painful deaths from cancer I am stepping away from this thread now, it is making me very cross. Emz you have obviously never lost a loved one to suicide. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 31 August 2008 at 3:03pm
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I have lost loved ones to suicide...all i have to say about this tv programme is, was it really necessary to show ?
Does it benefit anyone at all, even horror movies in some way , you are getting enjoyment out of it, watching something you enjoy (if you are one of those strange people that like horrors ) But i put this in the same category as showing dead bodies on the news, or the reaction of a family when they learn the death of a loved one...all completly unnecessary for the public to see and not beneficial to anyone in the slightest,except in this case the only "benefit " i can think of is that those who were going to commiit suicide,had a chance to tell their story . -------------
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 31 August 2008 at 3:14pm
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After seeing the introduction I didn't bother to watch it.
Suicide is such a cheats way out of life, and is a sin against god. Its an incredibly selfish act which not only destroys the life taken but ofter those left behind. As for euthanasia, I don't see how a medical professional can be expected to be invovled with this, after all the hipocratic oath first verse is 'do no harm'. If people want to euthanise then they need to find a way of not making doctors and nurses responsible. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 31 August 2008 at 6:01pm
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Having seen what suicide can do to the ones left behind, then yes, i have to say its selfish ...however, im just glad ive never been in such a situation where i feel there is nothing worth living for, what a lonely place that must be.
Another thing about suicide that makes me sad, is thinking of those who went before their time ,who would love to have had a chance at a few more years ...but then that would be believing life is fair ,wouldnt it ? -------------
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Posted By: HippyMama
Date Posted: 31 August 2008 at 7:30pm
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Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 31 August 2008 at 9:02pm
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I think thats very fair to say indeed -------------
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Posted By: Tastic
Date Posted: 31 August 2008 at 9:18pm
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I watched the doco too and in two frames of mind about it but I wont go into it
as for the coffin at the end they don't 'usually' lower the coffin until everyone has left, so how do you all know there was no one there when like I said they may of just waited till everyone had gone |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 31 August 2008 at 9:35pm
This is true, but the way it was filmed and the impression it left was one of isolation and loneliness. Very deliberately done I would say, and definitely very effective. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: NeoshasMummy
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 12:28pm
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Posted By: IVFGirl1111
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 1:11pm
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I am disgusted that they showed this - losing a loved one to suicide is horrific - absolutly horrific - and I do believe that by showing this they could well have put ideas into peoples heads if they were already thinking like that etc.
One very close friend said after the show that he wished they had never shown that tv programme as if it was 6 months ago when he was in his worst state of mind then that well could have topped him off the edge - thank god he is out of it now - but that was pretty full on him saying that. I wont complain as I didnt watch it, I turned over as soon as it started really - but I am still disgusted that they showed it. Suicide is devestating. Absolutly devestating. ------------- TTC 6 years IVF it is IVF/ICSI round one 10 eggs, 8 mature, 3 fertilised BFN IVF/ICSI #2 = 22 eggs! 20 mature, 15 fertilised, 1 fresh transfer and 2 frosties BFN 2 Frosties still in freezer thank god |
Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 01 September 2008 at 1:28pm
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I totally agre with that statement, A guy I went to Primary school went out that way and at the funeral seeing the family and his GF was so upsetting. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |