shocking!!
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Topic: shocking!!
Posted By: Candkids
Subject: shocking!!
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 8:50pm
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today i had my work 1st aid course which is the medical level 6 one.
anyway . . as with any 1 of the questions was . . Q) if you are presented with a small child of infant that appears un-responsive what do you do to check that they are responsive or not A) you pinch there inner arm. leg , side (most people know it and it says so in the book) CORRECT YES BUT . . . . . (this is the bit that shocked the entire room) before you pinch the child to check that they are un-responsive, you may want to check the time, and then make sure you get someone else in the room (other than the childs parent) to witness and doccument exactly when and where you pinch the child and for how long! as you may be open to a child abuse case!! WTF! i was so shocked at this! i thought it was absolutly rediculas! and surely even the thought of that will put some people off even checking the responce! this has come about since somewhere in the south island a GP pinched a baby to check the responce ( there was none and the baby later died) but her nail left a tiny mark on the childs side and the parents took her to court! PC gone way to far i think, ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">  DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
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Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 8:52pm
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Sorry what do you mean by medical level 6?
I just completed a comprehensive first aid course and for an infant was advised to pick up the child and rock gently to check for response. |
Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 8:55pm
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And there are lots of ridiculous things about the first aid stuff which are potentially life threatening.
As in, if I was with someone who had a severe allergic reaction and required an injection from an Epi pen but were unable to give it to themselves for whatever reason, I am legally unable to give that injection unless I have prior written consent from the person. Verbal consent is potentially acceptable if there is a third party to witness it. Edited to fix is/are |
Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 8:56pm
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we have to do the medical/ healthcare sector course as we deal with GA stuff ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 8:56pm
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eeek what if there is no one else nearby? Pinch the kid! Pinch it!!! Better alive than waiting for another adult!!!! *panics* -------------  |
Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 8:57pm
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Medical level 6 is above the comprehensive first aid course. the comp first aid course is basically a work place one but the medical one is lsightly mroe advanced and based on the fact the most people attending have a medical background or work within the medical area.
Correct me if I am wrong - catzkids? -------------  
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Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 9:00pm
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Peanut... yeah, I assumed that. Just wanted clarification.
I was wondering if the difference in checking infant response is due to the provider (or trainer?) as I don't imagine it is a medical/non-medical thing. Mine was a red cross course. |
Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 9:00pm
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i thought it was so stupid! all i could think of was if it was my kid i would get so mad if someone was checking the timewaithing for a witness to document it rather than trying to help my kid.
we have those epi pens at work too, we can only use them with a witness present im dreading ever having to use one tho. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 9:05pm
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we have to cover all the totally freaky stuff like incubation with the little torch and tubes down the throat like on shorty st. and the shock pads etc . .
could be due to different service providers our courses are thru SMS medical or amcare (edited as i forgot the last bit) ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 9:13pm
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My spelling was shocking - I think it is due to the medical/non medical thing rather than a provider.
I did the comp first aide course before starting nursing and was told the rock/shake to get a response but when doing a refreasher course after completeing my nursing training they did the pinch test. Things really have gone mad though when someone will take someone else to court for trying to save their or their childs life.... -------------
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Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 9:17pm
I agree. Though it isn't always that simple unfortunately. |
Peanut wrote:Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 9:18pm
and its things like that, that will end up having people die unnessessaraly due to people being to worried about geting sued etc ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 10:18pm
meh , sometimes at work i half wish someone would suffer some kind of reaction to anesthetic or something, just for some damn excitement ...had one patient faint after she got her wisdom teeth out ...but she woke up again, bugger it ! 
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Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 10:26pm
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lol
we have heaps of fainters! usually parents watching lol we did have a real bad anasthetic reaction about a month back, was freaky and my boss panicked so bad i thought the ambulance would have to take him too! lol ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 03 September 2008 at 10:48pm
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really ? we havent had that *thinks for a bit* nope we havent
but.....my boss has a friend that was a dentist and had a patient (23 years old) go under GA ...and he never woke up .... Im so bored of teeth Cat, im bored of the industry , been doing it too long , so repetitive now *sigh* -------------
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 8:25am
I have to do first aid as part of my electrical registration and "technically" if someone is being electricuted you have to ring the electricity board to have the power cut off Unofficially you disconnect them from the supply by wacking them with something big and preferable wooden.------------- 
 
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Posted By: MummyFreckle
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 8:53am
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My best friend has a severe allergic reaction and carries an epipen. She has had a really hard time finding people in the office where she works that would be willing to give it to her if she needed it. One time she had a reaction and the 3 people that she had trained to give it to her, all stood around debating about who was going to do it, in that situation someone random in the office just stepped in and gave it to her. Pretty hard when you are depending on people to effectively save your life and they are too nervous to do the simple thing that they have been trained to do!! (Funny side story - we were once in a really flash restaurant in London and she had a reaction, and one of the symptoms that something is wrong is that she gets really hot and starts to go bright red....and starts pulling on her clothes....well she collasped but slumped under the table....so her husband and I were on our hands and knees under a table in the middle of the busy restaurant hiking up her dress to stab her in the thigh.....it looked hilarious at the time!!)
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Posted By: mum2paris
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 10:58am
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We teach parents cpr before they leave the neonatal unit and we always teach to call babys name first and gently touch or move their limbs, if not try picking them up and running your finger along the bottom of their foot (babys don't tend to like this much!!) if you're gonna get a response you'll usually get something from the foot thing.
That said we also teach that if baby is choking and you have had to give it some really good back blows or whatever, even if it seems ok after getting whetever it is out - it's still good to go to the docs #1, to check there's no damage to the airway, and #2 because if you've had to really do decent back-blows it's likely to come up with bruises of which you'll want to have had a medical incident documented in case someone thinks it's abuse. Crazy times aye. ------------- Janine and her 2 cool chicks, Paris & Ayja 
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Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 04 September 2008 at 12:39pm
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How's this then?
My DH is trained to be a field medic in the army, can insert IV's etc etc. The way they are taught CPR can break someone's ribs (as CPR can do) yet they can be taken to court for breaking a person's ribs so are advised not to give CPR in the real world 
Why would someone take you to court for breaking your ribs when you did CPR to save their life?  Not that its likely to happen as CPR has such a low success rate but sheesh.
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Posted By: DzinerGirl
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 10:15am
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Oh my gosh that's crazy! Honestly I think I would be more inclined to sue if someone had let my baby/child/sibling etc die because they were too busy f**king around with all this PC crap...It's insane!
Edit - Sorry this PC stuff really gets my back up! Don't want to offend anyone it's just my opinion |
Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 05 September 2008 at 10:56am
Ok, if Tom is unresponsive.,.....pinch away!!!! (hell, its not like the little munchkin has never left a bruise on me from biting......and I WAS responsive )
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