Sleeping through the night
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Topic: Sleeping through the night
Posted By: weegee
Subject: Sleeping through the night
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 11:30am
So there have been a few queries about this and advice in a variety of threads, but I thought it might be a good idea to have a centralised thread.
Some babies just won't sleep through the night no matter what you do. Some babies just start sleeping through like magic. Some babies will do it after a little bit of 'training'.
So, if you're one of the lucky mums who has a baby sleeping through the night - what's your story, and what tips do you have for the other sleep-deprived mums?
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Mum to JJ, 4 July 2008 & Addie, 28 July 2010
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Posted By: weegee
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 11:30am
I'll go first
Our story:
From about 6 weeks JJ slept through every few days, and since the night before he turned 8 weeks old (which is apparently about when their lil tummies get big enough to take in enough calories to sleep through) he has consistently been sleeping at least 8 hours and up to 10 hours at night, with the exception of a couple of nights where he had a cold and wasn't feeding as efficiently. Of course I'm sure it'll all turn to custard later on but I'm enjoying it while it lasts!
What worked for us:
- First and most importantly, teaching him to self settle day or night, so he can take himself back off to sleep if he wakes up.
- Learning tired signs and putting him down when he's drowsy but still awake (kiwikid mentioned putting her bubs down on the second yawn, it was good advice) so he doesn't freak out due to waking up in his cot when he went to sleep on us.
- Learning hungry signs and his hungry cry so I know when to feed him (harder now that he wants to comfort suck as well, which he does when he's overtired).
- Swaddling him really firmly so he doesn't wake himself up with flailing arms.
- Teaching him the difference between day and night. That means night time feeds done in the dark, with as little talking as possible and no eye contact. When he wakes up during the day I make an effort to talk to him lots and give him my undivided attention during playtime. When he was smaller and still in his bassinet we had it out in the lounge during the day and wheeled it into his room at night which I think helped make a difference.
- Giving in to fussy evenings and cluster feeding. Yeah he's difficult in the evening, but it doesn't seem as big a deal now that I expect it. He feeds and feeds and feeds until it feels like he's sucked me dry but I figure the more he drinks before bedtime the longer he'll sleep, and that's been the case so far. That also means maintaining my supply during the day because since my supply has settled I still have masses of milk in the morning but not so much in the evening - for me that means I need to drink lots of water but there are lots of tips in http://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6351&PN=3 - this thread
- Relaxing! I think babies are like dogs, they can smell your fear
ETA: I found the articles at http://www.thesleepstore.co.nz/Home.html - The Sleep Store website really useful.
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Mum to JJ, 4 July 2008 & Addie, 28 July 2010
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Posted By: Kallie
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 11:39am
Consistent day time sleeps work for us so he's not overtired at night!!
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Posted By: lucky3rdtime
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 11:51am
Well Gabs has been sleeping through since 9 weeks old. She has had the odd night where she wakes every now and then sometimes shes hungry or in pain if teething etc. Here is what we did.
She has always slept in her own cot in her own room from birth.
We never let her sleep on us, unless she is sick.
We learnt her tired signs and put her to bed while still awake and leave her, sometimes she cries a bit but she usually settles within 10 minutes.
We have been routine feeding her since she was 6 weeks old, so she gets enough calories during the day to sleep through the night. I will get her up for a feed even if I have to wake her sometimes, but usually she is waking or awake and waiting for me to come in.
If she wakes in the middle of night I will leave her to resettle for at least 10 minutes unless i think her cry is a pained one. She can resettle herself quite well. In fact I never go in to her when she starts to cry during the day either, I will wait a few minutes first to see what happens as often she will wake after 45 minutes of sleep but will resettle if I leave her to cry for 5-10 minutes.
We used to wrap her when she was younger, but stopped when she was about 4 months old cos she always likes to get her arms out anyway and she likes to suck her thumb to put herself to sleep, its part of her sleep routine.
During night feeds when younger, I would feed her in her room, that was only dimly lit and not really talk to her, but I used to sing to her a little before putting her back to bed, and definitely no play at this time.
So alot of what I did is similar to weegee above.
The differences really are that Gabs is formula fed and never did cluster feedings, not sure if this is cos she is formula fed or not though. But you can see that whether bf or ff we have done much the same things.
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 12:20pm
Maya slept thru from seven weeks, I did a lot of what others have suggested with swaddling, self settling, putting down awake, only letting her sleep in the cot and not on me etc. but for us the big thing was the 3-hourly feeding routine during the day. I fed her every 3 hours by the clock, if she was asleep I would wake her up to feed her, and we stuck to a strict feed-change-play-top up-back to bed routine during the day.
In the evening she'd get up at 4pm and feed, have a top up feed at 5.30pm then a bath and another feed at 7pm and down for the night. I'd dream feed her at 10pm then that was it for the night and she'd usually sleep till around 7am. I think the structured day feeds combined with the evening cluster feed topped her belly up enough that she didn't need a night feed.
I'm doing a similar routine with Chiara, altho less strict at waking her every 3 hours during the day, sometimes I let her go 4 and sometimes she wakes after 2 and wants feeding, but the cluster feeding in the evening/bath/dream feed are the same and she consistently does 6 hours then 4 hours at night, and we've had a few nights where she's done 10pm to 6am.
I have to say tho, some babies won't sleep thru no matter what you do. The gremlins never slept thru till much closer to 4 months, not for lack of trying on my part! They fed every 3 hours, night and day, no matter what I did, they were just programmed that way.
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 The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
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Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 1:32pm
We did most of the above as well, but stopped swaddling at about 4 weeks as he hated having his arms in. We started using a safety sleep instead so he felt wrapped. He was in his own room from 6 weeks which helped as I used to wake up before he did and assume he needed to be fed.
We did the dreamfeed thing at 10.30 each night until he was established on solids then dropped it. He slept through till 7-8am with that dreamfeed from 9 weeks and now goes from 7-7 without one. We have had wakings for poo nappies (why would you poo at 5am? ), teething, illnesses etc but otherwise he sleeps well.
Good day sleeps are key, and also noise during the day, quiet at night worked for us.
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Posted By: CuriousG
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 1:39pm
Our horror has only started sleeping thru in the past 6-8 months. She was never a big sleeper during the day or the night and was a very hungry baby.
We have probably indulged her a bit more than we should have, being our first and all, and the second one will not be so lucky!
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Posted By: Kellz
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 4:44pm
Isla started regularly sleeping through the night at 21 months.
My biggest piece of advise would be dont feel guilty or like u are doing something wrong if you baby is not sleeping through the night. You are definalty not alone even though at times if feels like your the only one!
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 6:36pm
Caden has been sleeping through the night for about 2 weeks now.
I started a little rountine and its basicly, go down for a nap at 5-7 and he will usually sleep till round 8 or 8.30, if he is still asleep i will wake him, then he has a bottle of 100mls, a play a bath and then another 100mls and then bed, and by that time its usually round 9.30 or 10, and he will sleep right through until 6-7
Sometimes he will wake up and grizzle during the night, but I pop him dummy back in, or if he isnt too grizzly he will go back to sleep without the dummy.
Long may it last!! lol
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 6:54pm
I honestly can't remember what I did with Andrew, but he was a good sleeper - still is.
Josh I did a lot of what has already been said. I think what helped him the most was the dream feed.
------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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Posted By: emmaohara
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 6:57pm
I agree with Kellz!!!
Ben slept through the night at 9 months old but that wasn't constant , I'd say he really started sleeping through every night from about 18 months.
We did everything but crying and although at times it was hard work it never really got us down, babies are babies and soon they are toddlers and kids and off to school so a few months of broken sleep isn't too much to ask ( she says now he sleeps..!!)
Sophia is a much calmer baby, more chilled and she has been sleeping far longer than ben ever did we have even had 12 hours from her at this age Ben was doing 3 or 4 hour blocks tops...!!
As Kelly said, don't feel bad if your baby doesn't magically sleep through from 8 weeks, all babies have different characters, so try not to compare or feel like you are failing, yours will get there..it just might take a few more months!
ps: I find a large glass of chardonnay always helps..
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Posted By: sparkle
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 7:26pm
Cooper slept thru from 7.00pm to 7.00am for the first time last night!!! I was stoked!!!!
I couldn't let him cry, would BF him in the night if he woke as it was quicker than trying to re settle him (5 mins opposed to 30!(probably still will tonight now I've jinked myself!!!).
We tried all the suggestions from people : swaddle, routine, white noise, great day sleeps. Everytime we seemed to be getting somewhere with maybe 6 - 7 hours in a row, he'd get sick or start teething and we'd be back at square one.
But having it finally happen once, I'm a firm believer in they'll do it when they're ready.
My advice to others is try not too stress, go with your baby.
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Posted By: Mazzy
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 7:58pm
DD1 was (and still is) a terrible sleeper, she is nearly two and consistently wakes during the night at least three times a week. As a baby, the things that really helped us were making sure her room was completely dark (putting a big dark blanket up over her window so she didn't wake with the sun) and doing a dream feed at 10pm once she turned three months old. We did everything else - dim room at night, no eye contact, swaddling etc. etc. and she still wasn't a good sleeper. The good thing is that now DD2 has arrived we are not struggling as much with newborn sleep patterns because we're already used to waking!
DD2 is the complete opposite - that girl sleeps anywhere and everywhere. I actually asked my PN if there was something wrong with her because I'd never experienced an easy sleeping baby and I thought she was ill!
She is now nearly 4 months old and is sleeping through from 10pm - 6pm most nights. We don't swaddle her or make the room dark during the day, but at night she is swaddled with one hand out (thumb sucker) and the light is dim for her to go to sleep. I feed her to sleep and that seems to work for us. We do demand feeding and let her fall asleep on us and it doesn't seem to bother her at all, and she still sleeps!
So I reckon it's got a lot to do with the tempermant of your bubs. There are things you can do to help, but they will determine what happens!
------------- Mum to two gorgeous girls!
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 8:34pm
i have treated all my babies the same. they were swaddled, put down awake and left to self settle (normally without crying), not left to cry for longer than 5/10 mins, slept in a bassinette in our room from the start then later transfered to a cot. And they both started sleeping thru from about 4 mths.
HOWEVER... toby soon started night waking after that and even now at 3 yrs old still isnt a good sleeper whereas gabriel, once hes asleep is very rare for him to get up again ... and eden well she has been sleeping thru more often than not since about 2 weeks since coming home...
so no matter what you do or how some babies just dont "sleep thru".
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 09 September 2008 at 11:31pm
Yeah I agree with Bizzy, I think it has more to do with the baby and not the routine....
I mean, I do think that caden having his bottle right before bed does help but I dont think its the entire reason he is sleeping through, i think he just like his father and likes to sleep hehe
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Posted By: BugTeeny
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 6:50am
I think it's a combination of the two. But moreso, the baby.
Hannah sleeps until 5:30/6am. It doesn't matter what time we put her down (most nights 7pm) or how much we feed her. 5:30am seems to be her ingrained "start the day" time and has been for a couple of months.
So 6am is a sleep-in for me 
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Posted By: Kellz
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 1:40pm
Yep I totally agree that temprement has soo much to do with it. We tried everything!
Isla is still an early riser too. Doesnt sleep past 6am ever. Makes no difference what time she goes to bed either. Even if she has a late night (like 8.30pm) she will still wake between 5.30am-6am and she will just be more tired in the day. she is usually in bed by 7.15pm at the latest.
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Posted By: Mazzy
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 1:44pm
LOL Kellz, that must be an Isla thing because our Miss I won't ever sleep past 6am either. She usually goes to bed at 7pm and even if she's up later than that it's still 6am or earlier wake up. Sigh.
------------- Mum to two gorgeous girls!
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Posted By: Mazzy
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 1:45pm
By the way, great thread idea Weegee!
------------- Mum to two gorgeous girls!
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Posted By: Bel
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 2:12pm
Luke has always been a great sleeper - he was doing around 8 hours from 4 weeks old and slept 12 hours every night from 4 months. (Coincedentally, when we started solids and formula feeding) He still now goes down at 6pm and sleeps through unitl around 6.30am.
Every now and then he goes through stages where he will wake at around 5am and not go back to sleep, but we have always left him in his cot until around 6.30am. He just lies there and talks so we are all happy (but I can't sleep while he does this).
We put alot of his great sleeps down to routine and us relaxing. I put him to bed and don't expect anything else otehr than he WILL go to sleep. And he does. He has always gone down awake and self settled. He also has always slept in his own room.
I have great sympathy for people with babies that don't sleep - if we have a bad night (not very often) I am terrible the next day - I have to remind myself that there are people out there who live on less than 6 hours a night all the time...
------------- Mum to two beautiful kids
Luke (09.11.2007)
Amy (01.04.2009)
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Posted By: jaycee
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 2:59pm
Learing your babies tired signs is important - with Amy we would be sitting there with a 2 weeks old yawning away saying "oh she is so cute" not realizing that she was saying 'take me to bed you stupid parents'!! Once we were told about overtiredness and sleepsigns things improved all around! With Sophie, once she starts rubbing her eyes (her own personal signal) she is off to bed ASAP!!
We also found that wrapping, very dark room (blackout curtains), routine, dream feed until 5 months and regular daytime sleeps have all been important.
Also starting the day at 7am no matter what has happened during the night is good (although sometimes very hard to get up!) and treating anything before 6am as nighttime.
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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 3:22pm
I like what Kellz said earlier - some babies just aren't great sleepers and you can try every trick, tip and piece of advice you get and nothing is going to work!
Don't beat yourself up about it - its just one of those things.
Often people don't talk about the fact that their child is still waking in the night as they get all the advice in the world thrown at them so feel like a failure even though they have tried it all. So it often feels like you are the only person in the world with achild not sleeping through and its always nice to know that you are not!
DS is still not sleeping through on a regular basis and will wake at 5.30am regardless of what happens in the night or what time he went down but he is happy and healthly!
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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 7:42pm
Yeah, I agree with Kellz and Peanut - every baby is different. And even if you do get them sleeping through the night for a while, they may revert to night wakings later on(especially if they're sick, teething or moving on to a new developmental stage like starting to crawl etc).
DS started sleeping from 7pm-7am at 6 months, when he started solids, boy were we stoked! But it all went to pieces when we travelled a couple of times. He was fairly good the first trip away, but the next time we ended up putting him in a bedroom that was down the other end of the house. One night he woke up and started crying but we couldn't hear him. My grandmother did, but didn't want to interfere, so left him. After 10 mins he started screaming, which woke me up. He needed lots of cuddles to resettle that night, then for a couple of weeks afterwards kept waking randomly throughout the night and crying out as though he was terrified. Took ages to rebuild his trust, but we're getting there slowly.......although now it's getting lighter he's decided 6am is the new wake-up time .
I do believe consistency helps. There are millions of "right ways" of teaching your baby to sleep / resettle themselves and it can be really confusing figuring out which one / combination will work for your baby. Once we found a method we were comfortable with, we kept repeating it for several weeks, which helped DS learn what to expect and feel secure I guess.
BTW, DS has added to his settling routine himself - he always pulls his blanket (an aircell one) up over his face, and shakes his head from side to side as he's drifting off to sleep - so cute, but keeps rubbing the hair off the back of his head!
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 7:48pm
There's been some good advice on here. But I think that sometimes we expect our babies to do things before they are ready to. Some babies are happy as to sleep through quickly and veyr early on and others just aren't ready for it. I just think that's something we need to accept more readily and all we need to do is provide them with everything they need to do it and they will when they are ready to, same with all their other developmental milestones
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Posted By: weegee
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 7:53pm
Very nicely put, Stacey 
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Posted By: pekemoemum
Date Posted: 10 September 2008 at 8:25pm
I agree with the others.. I think temperament can really impact.
However I also personally found a routine from the start really good (number one son was a terrible sleeper and I didn't function well on sleep deprivation!)
Wtih number 2 son I worked on a routine (e.g. sleep cues, wrapping to start with, then peke moe once he was unwrapping...) He learnt very early on (and whether this is luck who knows) that sleep was GOOOOD, and not to be upset/worried about. By me being confident about my decisions on when he 'needed' to sleep, this seemed to help him.. I got some good tips/ideas from teh sleep sense programme (pm me if you want details!) and I worked hard on breaking the catnapping habit when it happened... he's 19months old now and most days will still have 2 naps.. and sleeps through the night consistently since about 3months old (had undiagnosed dairy intolerance before this, so sleep was difficult to start with)....
huge hugs to anyone going through sleep deprivation.. it's such a rough time... !!!!!!!!!!!
Luckily we forget and they do grow up and it does get easier.. and we wouldn't trade them for anything!!! :) xxx
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Posted By: weegee
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 10:43am
bump for Rowena 
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Mum to JJ, 4 July 2008 & Addie, 28 July 2010
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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 12:11pm
Kakapo - interesting your comment about trust. I feel that's an issue with Dnaiel's sleeps - at night particularly, he needs to be held to sleep and will often open his eyes and check if we're there. he used to self settle within 5 min if we left him to cry, but now just winds up - for that reason, we're doing the holding/rocking to try and build up the trust and feeling of security.
I just hate that everynight when we do it, I have MIL's voice in my head "you're creating a rod for your back ... babies must be trained to sleep ....." She's coming to stay in a month - hopefully she'll bite her tongue.
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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 30 September 2008 at 8:06pm
Oh Felicity, poor you - you must be dreading your MIL's visit . I personally think its important to do whatever you feel comfortable with (trust your instincts!), and be consistent with your method, so bubs learns what to expect when you're teaching them how to resettle to sleep. Can you politely but firmly refuse to try out her advice, and say you'd prefer to do it your way instead?
Before I discovered OHbaby! I read Tracy Hogg's books, which helped me to teach DS to learn to sleep and resettle himself. I just couldn't bring myself to let him cry it out, so the only time he's experienced that method was for the 10 mins I mentioned in my earlier post. Thankfully he must trust me again now, as he's back to sleeping through the night (phew). It did take about three weeks to rebuild the trust though, and got tricky in the end. He started crying out in his sleep - but didn't actually need me, ie would continue sleeping if I didn't go in to *rescue* him. But occassionally would be wide awake and scared, so did need me. When you've been sound asleep yourself it's hard to turn off autopilot and think "what kind of cry was that?" .
If you're interested in finding out more about the Baby Whisperer techniques, have a look at these:
Link to " http://www.babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=451.0 - Sleep - a Q&A interview with Tracy Hogg " .
Link to http://www.babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=2361.0 - gradual process for weaning young babies off dummies .
And here is her response to a couple of queries that might be relevant to your situation? (note babies are a different age though):
Q: I have tried to stick it out with the [sleeping routine], but my 10 month old daughter just doesn't give in. I know it must be my fault for not seeing it through, but really I have tried this all night for quite a few nights. I am just wondering if peoples suggestions "to let her cry it out" would be beneficial? Or would it more hinder her than help her? We are talking screaming bloody murder, not just a whimper.
Tracy Hogg: I do not advocate crying it out, and it's important for you to realize the trust you have built over the 10 months of this child's life has been established by you always going in and tending to her. Yes, she will cry and be upset, but if you don't see it through to the end, you are prolonging the process.
Parents should think this through: Our children need to trust our word, and that means following through good or bad so as they grow, when mum or dad makes a promise or gives a refusal of something, those children trust your word. And that's the most fundamental building block in any relationship you have with another human being. It also teaches integrity, respect, and it starts in infancy. And that's why in the toddler book I talk about being a conscious parent. You have to think things through and see them through to the end. And to remember that we are all human, and we all get tired and frustrated -- even I get exhausted. But that's the commitment that we make as parents and it's a very serious commitment.
Q: How can you teach a baby to self-soothe?
Tracy Hogg: Some babies gravitate to an object, but in my experience it's usually instigated by a parent. So a transitional object is introduced by a parent, such as a blanket or a soft toy. And you have to introduce it when you are doing something that's relaxing, so when you are cuddling them or want to make the transition, give it to them when they are in the crib and introduce it consistently. What a lot of parents do is give them an item and when they don't immediately grasp onto it they give up. Keep repeatedly giving them the object.
Self-soothing comes in many guises. For instance, I have known infants who will throw their legs up in the air and throw them back down on the mattress or rub their head from side to side to soothe themselves. These are the little ones with the bald heads in the back, in the supermarket! Some play with digits -- fingers or thumbs. Some babies pull on their ear. Others make noises. So if you are really observant (all humans have this trait of self-soothing), you should be able to tell what your baby's preference to self-soothing is.
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Posted By: weegee
Date Posted: 13 October 2008 at 6:08pm
bump for nicci
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Mum to JJ, 4 July 2008 & Addie, 28 July 2010
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Posted By: weegee
Date Posted: 11 June 2009 at 5:18pm
bump again! 
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Mum to JJ, 4 July 2008 & Addie, 28 July 2010
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