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Topic: The stone-age diet
Posted By: FionaS
Subject: The stone-age diet
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:01pm
Anyone see this in the herald the other day?   Apparently it stablises your blood sugar, reduces cholestoral and makes you feel generally fabulous.

Anyone tried it?

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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley



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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:06pm
I saw the article on stuff yesterday.  Looks interesting and makes a lot of sense.  I'm also keen to hear if anyone else has tried it and how they've found it.

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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:10pm
I've done it for 1 day! And, coming from someone who adores sweet things...I didn't even miss them!

I did break the rules a bit buy having porridge for breakfast.

Then had nuts for morning tea and a massive salad with some added bacon, pumpkin seeds and garlic flaxoil for lunch, an apple for afternoon tea and a big piece of fish with a large salad for tea. I had very even energy all day which is amazing as I usually have big highs and lows and tend to over-eat in the afternoon.

I'm giving it a go (not to lose weight, just because it sounds as though it makes you much healthier) but am allowing myself cereal / porridge in the morning and coffee :)

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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley


Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:12pm
I think i've heard of it before...or similar....might have to go find the article and have a read.


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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:15pm
The one I read was in on the 14th Sept. I'm looking on their site ATM but can't find it.

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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley


Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:17pm

I have had to cut most of the foods avoided on the stone age diet anyway because I can't eat wheat/rye/barley/oats due to my coeliac disease and I definitely found I had a lot more energy (and lost weight) when I cut those out.  But I still eat potatos and I'm thinking that maize/corn is probably a no-no on the stone age diet, I have corn thins for breakfast every morning.

 

When I read the article yesterday I thought that there's very little change needed for me to follow that diet completely as I eat a lot of fruit and vege and I love meat.  I definitely don't have a high intake of cereals.

 

Funny that you posted this today though as at lunchtime I was eating pizza and wedges thinking that it's just as well I hadn't started the diet.



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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:18pm
I am guessing kumara would be out too?   I just had some for lunch and felt proud of myself...!

I find oats sustain me so well in the mornings. If I have anything else I'm starving within 30mins...even bacon and eggs!

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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley


Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:23pm

I'm trying to find the article now too so I can post a link.

The journalist said that the first 4-5 days after cutting out cereals/carbs he felt hungry and moody but then he came right and since then he's been so full of energy and happy. 

I think as far as carbs go kumara are good (I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure they're low GI) as are oats.  So although you may not be following the diet word for word it sounds like the change has worked for you.  Plus surely our stone age ancestors found and ate root vegetables and probably even other cereals when they could - they just didn't cultivate them so they weren't a staple food as they are now.



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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:28pm
I think I crave additives & sugar. I eat a really good base diet but then crave biscuits, nut bars etc.    I enjoy bread but don't eat much and suspect most of us would be better off without it.

I felt good yesterday and fine so far today but suspect tomorrow will be hard.




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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley


Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:29pm

Here's the link to the article http://www.stuff.co.nz/4692280a19716.html - http://www.stuff.co.nz/4692280a19716.html



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Posted By: susieq
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:41pm
In my eating healthy for diabetes Kumara is limited as are potatoes as starchy foods have hidden sugars


Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:43pm
I knew about potatoes but thought kumaras helped to stabilise blood sugar. Can be confusing at times!

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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley


Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:45pm
I can go weeks without craving produced sugary sweets but then spend a day gorging on them - it's as though once I have a taste for it I need more IYKWIM.  Luckily with my gluten free diet a lot of my food needs to be made from scratch so I'm in the habit of making good fresh food now.

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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 2:46pm
I'm the same. If I have a little of something I crave it like crazy! It is best to have none I find. Oh to be male...they don't crave in the same we we do

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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley


Posted By: ooEvaoo
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 3:32pm

Starch is composed of two polymers of glucose, so it basically sugar. this diet seems to cut out carbs...which actually seems pointless as Carbohydrates, proteins, and fats all end up being hydrolysised to end up with Acetyl CoA which in the end contributes to energy production, so no matter whether you cut down on carbs, and beef up on protein, the same processes are going to happen, you're just replacing one energy source with another. Of course lowering your sugar intake is going to have an affect on your moods. If you have a sweet tooth and then cut sugar out, you're going to have highs and lows..until your sugar levels even out...and in most diets weight loss is fastest in the first few weeks, as you're using up your glycogen stores. Glycogen holds a lot of water, so you're not only using burning glycogen for energy, but you're losing a lot of water as well....once those first couple of weeks are over, you're body turns to fat as it's energy source, fat holds less water then glycogen so thats why weight loss is not as drastic as initially. So though losing 9Kgs in however many weeks is great, long term those losses are not going to be so high.



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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 3:46pm
See I don't have weight to lose but am keen on stabilising the blood sugar highs and lows and so far this is working great. My energy has been much more stable and my 3pm cravings are gone (for now lol!).

The article seems to suggest that the long term health benefits are stable blood sugar, low cholesterol etc etc.



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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley


Posted By: HippyMama
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 4:10pm
I really like most of the advice this diet has to offer, it is pretty near to what my diet has become anyway, before I read the article.

The major difference for me now of course, is being vegetarian, so no meat - and making sure I get enough protein.

I have minimal carbs anyway, I feel too slow and sluggish when I do - so very much a treat food.

Despite current high fruit and vege prices we go through them like they are going out of fashion - and I try to balance out my blood sugars with nuts too.

Even in the last month alone I have noticed better muscle tone, energy levels, and less bloating - though I am on a weeks 'break' and having the odd wine or coffee or baked treat... and funnily enough am looking foward to going "back" to my more usual eating patterns.

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Posted By: susieq
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 5:35pm
Yes I have noticed my energy levels better since being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and cutting out iccream, sugar, too much starch and smaller portions etc.


Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 7:07pm
The weird thing I found with that article (I presume it's the one about Arthur but I haven't clicked the link) was the talk about only eating when you are hungry and not eating regularly with the clock. I thought that was kinda weird. I think eating and sleeping with the clock as a general rule is actually good discipline and routine and the body thrives on that....... thoughts?

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Posted By: HippyMama
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 7:27pm
I don't think they necessarily mean to disregard scheduled eating altogether, but if you're not truly hungry when mealtime rolls around - don't push it. I think the happy (and common) medium is to eat smaller amounts more frequently.



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Remember, you are not managing an inconvenience; You are raising a human being. ~ Kittie Franz

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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 8:37pm

That's how I read it too Pearls and that's pretty much what I do now.  Occasionally I have a big lunch and at dinner time I'm still full so I don't eat anything.

It's kind of like the "french woman don't get fat" way of listening to internal cues (i.e. whether you're actually hungry) rather than the external cues such as time of day, size of dinner plate etc.

Babies and toddlers do this brilliantly but somewhere along the way we're retrained not just to eat at specified times but to finish everything on our plate.



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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 8:40pm
Yay! 2 days and no sugary cravings. It is a miracle :)

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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley


Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 8:42pm
So you're not supposed to have any carbs?

I really struggle with a lack of energy if I don't have carbs though - what exactly would they suggest for lethargy?

All in all it sounds a good idea. Has anyone read Alan Carr's 'The EasyWeigh to Lose Weight'? It's all about eating from nature and not eating anything you can't eat in its raw form. Really interesting read, unfortunately I sold it last year but basically, if you can't pick it and eat it, don't. Hence meat and processed carbs would be out. It goes back to ancestry and animals - most animals (carnivores) don't eat the meat of animal if given the choice - they eat the nutritious parts like the organs etc.

I love eating healthily and can live on grapes, unfortunately its cheaper to buy carbs etc to quell the hunger than it is to buy grapes so here I am still a bit heavier than I should be

MrsMojo - what exactly do you eat at a meal? I was brought up in the meat, spuds and vege environment so not having any carbs on my plate at a meal seems strange to me (but doable).


Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 8:43pm
I must admit I miss peanuts though. I have just recently started snacking on them and they are yum.

Trust the English language to call something a nut but then say it is infact a bean, not a nut. Madness.

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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley


Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 7:11pm
organs - ewwwwwww!!

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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 8:06pm
Emz - it cuts out processed carbs and starchy things though I'm having kumara. I really crave sugar so have tried to cut it out in the past but find as soon as I have some carbs, even good ones like brown rice, I get major sugar cravings.

I've tried this eating plan (I don't like to say diet as I don't have weight to lose) for 3 days just out of interest (as I see possible benefits and no harm from it) and have not craved anything at all! I think for me, some carbs = lots of cravings so none = no cravings.

I am allowing myself porridge in the morning though as that is the only thing that sustains me + coffee as I looooove coffee.

Today I had:
Porridge with cinnamon and dried fruit + coffee
A handful of nuts and seeds
A huge salad with baby spinach, capsicum + half a fillet of salmon left over from last nite + some cubes of roast kumara
An apple + a couple of nuts with some dried apricot
Dinner was a chicken breast with a large salad and a tomato.

My energy has been so consistent and I feel quite strong and "well". I'm very suprised at this as I usually crave carbs!


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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley


Posted By: Mum2L
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 10:21am
The only problem I find with the stone-age diet is that it is very similar to other low-carb diets out there, but just repackaged in a different way.

Our bodies have evolved somewhat from the stone age to take into account the different foods we eat and the different regions of the world we live in. For example, asian people are more likely to be lactose intolerant due to a large number of the population not having the gene that produces a suitable level of lactase, compared their european counterparts.

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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 10:53am

Originally posted by emz emz wrote:


MrsMojo - what exactly do you eat at a meal? I was brought up in the meat, spuds and vege environment so not having any carbs on my plate at a meal seems strange to me (but doable).

 

Emz I can (and do) eat carbs but since I had to exclude gluten (wheat/rye/barley/oats) from my diet 4 years ago when I was diagnosed with coeliacs disease I definitely eat a lot less. 

I hardly ever eat 'bread' as it's difficult to get nice gluten free bread and it costs $6 per loaf (and the loaves are about 1/2 size of normal bread).  I don't eat pies/pastries, biscuits, cakes or muffins either although occassionally (maybe 2-3 per year) I buy a gluten free muffin from Muffin Break.

 

Typically I eat:

Breakfast: 4 corn thins with vegespread (gluten free vegemite alternative) and an apple, a glass of milk and a cup of herbal tea.

Morning tea: fruit and a cup of herbal tea

Lunch: Varies, during autumn and winter I often just have a huge bowl of soup.  I made heaps of pumpkin soups buying a pumpkin a fortnight and also made pea and ham soup (using healthy food guide recipe), chicken and vege soup and bought some yummy soups.  Other days I might have leftovers and a bowl of veges or as the weather here's been warmer I've been buying salad stuff and making up a huge salad.  I also use corn thins in place of bread to make cheese and ham sandwhiches and yesterday I did an open sandwhich on a corn thin with avocado, ham, tomatos and salad greens.

Dinner: Varies as well, depends on the night and what I feel like eating but will often include potato, kumara or gluten free pasta.



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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 2:00pm
I'm now on day four of this and feel great!!!

I haven't had any cravings or any energy dips. My concentration is better and my energy has been very consistent. I am very shocked! I was very anti low carb but this is quite amazing! I am so pleased as I was so sick of always feeling hungry, even though I was eating plenty of good food, and always craving sweet things.

I've just been eating meat, fish, salad, fruit and nuts (+porridge and coffee for breakfast!) and feel sooooooo good!

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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley


Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 3:39pm
Wow that's awesome Fiona!

Do you think it's sustainable? I guess if you start craving less sugar though that would help, as I get wicked cravings for chocolate and lollies sometimes. Mind you, once in a while wouldn't be too bad, its just every week or fortnight that's the enemy!


Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 3:58pm
Try every day. I would eat something sweet every day - i.e. some choc, biscuits etc and just generally overeat around the 3pm mark. I didn't eat full choc bars or anything but definately like biscuits etc.

I absolutely plan to eat a bit of everything when I want it but wanted to test this out and so far it works.



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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley


Posted By: susieq
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 6:19pm
Good on you Fiona,
I am heating way healthier and I am finding watching my diet because of My type 2 diabetes that is cutting down on sugars, carbs, I feel way healthier and I used to crave Crunchie bars and eat icecream with maple syrup but none of these now for five weeks or more and I find now that I dont crave the sugars as much


Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 18 September 2008 at 9:30pm
I need some more ideas for gluten free carbs, I think. I'm craving salads at the moment so I'm having salad at lunch and fruit and yoghurt for breakfast, but that sounds seriously lacking, doesn't it?

Also, does anyone know exactly what carbs are in? As in, if I eat a loaf of bread its very different from the bread most of you eat. Does it still have as many carbs? What about corn crackers (I hate rice crackers LOL!)? I think I need to do some more research....

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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 19 September 2008 at 9:05am

T that sounds pretty good to me.  Do you feel like you're lacking?  Listen to your body and if you're feeling full and healthy then don't worry - it's so important to learn to listen to our internal cues rather than paying attention to external cues like what other people think you should eat.

All foods have carbs in them (including fruit and vege) so the only way to cut carbs from your diet entirely is to stop eating.  Some foods have more carbs than others and the important thing to check is where the carbs are from (i.e. if you look at the nurtrition chart of an item underneath the carb content you can also see how much of the carbs are sugars) it's these high sugar carbs that we should all be trying to avoid.  This isn't a solid rule either, the carbs in fruit are very high in sugar but the benefits of the fruit far outweigh the sugary carb content IYKWIM.  It's the sugar carb content of cereal food that are more important.  If you were diabetic though you'd need to be careful with fruit, for eg. over ripe bananas can raise the insulin levels too high. 

Corn thins have 4.1g of carb (per 5.8g slice) and 0.02g of that is sugars.  I love the Uncle Ben's Pilau rice for a quick, easy gluten free meal and that has 38.5g carbs (per 125g serve - i.e. 1/2 the packet) and only 1.6g of that is sugars.



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Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 19 September 2008 at 7:22pm
I always hungry atm Jo - but then I am 13 weeks pg

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Posted By: miss
Date Posted: 20 September 2008 at 6:00pm
Sounds similar to the Type O blood type diet. Type O blood is stone age man diet so they would suit a stone age diet. Type wouldn't though, I think they suit a carbs based diet.

Be interesting if you are type B, emz.

Oh and type A should pretty much be vegetarians.

I really like what I am reading about the blood type diet.

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Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 20 September 2008 at 6:53pm
I am A but I love meat

LOL

Funny tho, this pg'cy I have been largely off meat. Chicken and tuna are easiest for me to handle and I'm still off lamb (and we have 2 1/2 lambs in the freezer!!!)

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Posted By: miss
Date Posted: 21 September 2008 at 2:48pm
mmmmmmm lamb is my fav!

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Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 21 September 2008 at 8:25pm
http://www.everydiet.org/diet/blood-type-diet - Here's a link for anyone else who wants to look into the blood type diet a little. Gosh I am really surprised that all the food I have gone off during this pg'cy is on the "do not" list for my blood type

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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 21 September 2008 at 8:27pm
I am AB so that leaves almost nothing to eat! I neeeeeeeeeeeeed meat.

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Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley


Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 22 September 2008 at 7:58pm
I was pitying any AB's as I read the list LOL!

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Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 22 September 2008 at 9:44pm
Haha I AM a Type B miss! funny you said that.

Couldn't not eat chicken or bacon though.. shame about that.

I have been eating well, cutting down the carbs and eating gluten free when I have to have rice etc which has helped but I find it really boring as its always vegies and x, vegies and y. And I don't have an hour to make my lunch but I like to have a hot lunch. Oh the drama

Anyway, I've lost 500g in a few days so that's good, also been taking apple cider vinegar to help my insulin resistance which might help me stop gaining weight once and for all (although it tastes )



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