How can i help?
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Topic: How can i help?
Posted By: MissCandice
Subject: How can i help?
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 8:12pm
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I need some helpful advice.
I have a friend, she has two girls, 2yrs and 13mths. She has recently in the last two months seperated from her violent abusive partner. She has a protection order against him. She has custody of the girls but she has an order preventing her from leaving Christchurch. All her family is up north so she has noone here. I went and picked her up (and her girls) and took her to Harcourts to sign her tenancy as it renews on friday. She had this in her and her ex's name, she gets there and finds he has gone in and signed it and transferred it into his name and she has untill saturday to move out! How can he do this and how can harcourts do that? Her name is on it too! So now shes going to have nowhere to live, she has no car, no nothing. She owns everything in the house but no way to move it or anywhere to move too. I want to help but not sure i can. Im going to get a few things for her tomorrow as shes struggling abit. He does not pay child support but she has applied to IRD to chase him for it, but that can take weeks. Her partner refused to let her cancel her benefit when he moved in and she got done for recieving a benefit and working, something shes not proud of but now owes WINZ alot of money, they wont help her out with a bond on a new place either. Any ideas? ------------- ~ Mummy to a beautiful girl ~ |
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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 8:14pm
| Call Women's refuge and ask their advice. they would be the best people to know. |
Posted By: MissCandice
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 8:16pm
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She is already dealing with them or has dealt with them they helped her get a protection order, but she thought she was going to be ok, its this whole house drama that has really tipped her over the edge. ------------- ~ Mummy to a beautiful girl ~ |
Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 8:24pm
Oh dear, sorry don't have any helpful advise, just to say what a f**kin prick her ex is! It still amazes me (I don't know why) that people put their own lives ahead of their children, I mean god his kids need a roof over their heads!
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Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 16 September 2008 at 8:46pm
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she could try getting half the bond back thru harcourts, if hes going to be taking over the tenancy then he should at least reinburse her for that.
(excuse spelling) why does she have an order preventing her leaving town???? surley she could just say that hes making her life hell and it wint stop unless she gos back to palmy?? ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">  DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 7:39am
| I'd go to citizens advice and speak to a lawyer (its free up here in palmy) and find out what she can do. When I left the lease in a flat in Palmy I had to have everyone on the lease agreement sign to say that it was all good. At least if she gets some decent advice she can find out what she can and cant do. I find it weird that she can't leave town |
Posted By: minik8e
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 7:49am
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She may not be able to leave town for reasons such as - it would be preventing access for the father as he may not be able to get to Palmy, or the father raised concerns about her leaving with the children etc. From what I have seen, it's not unusual where the two parties come from two different areas and one party has concerns about being prevented from seeing the children (kind of like a safe guard thing).
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Posted By: MissAngel
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 8:37am
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She needs to file a report with the police about the abuse etc, get hold of her lawyer and let them know whats happening, then get the hell out of chch. If I remember correctly she can breach the terms of the custody IF she's done the police thing and the lawyer thing and she's fearing for her life/the kids lives. I have a friend who was in the same situation but in Auckland.
I'd also be getting up WINZ arse as well. They're way too quick to judge with things like that. She can take the police report with her for that as well, and they can sign her up and check her every week to make sure she's not recieving another income bla bla bla. The whole thing is pretty mental, Womans refuge are good, but not good enough sometimes because of the lack of resources. ------------- Alex, Thomas and Lily http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 8:39am
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I'd get in touch with women's refuge again. I know they're helping her already and she's already told them the house is fine but I'm sure they're used to dealing with circumstances that change last minute. I'd also contact the tenancy tribunal, who I assume the bond is lodged with, and find out her right regarding that and the tenancy in general. Contact harcourts too. They don't have the right to sign over the tenancy to either party without the others permission so contact them and let them know that the tenancy tribunal has been made aware of the "dispute". I understand that it's an extremely difficult situation for her, needing to move with no place to go and no way to move her furniture but moving somewhere else, so he doesn't know where she is, maybe good for her. It could give her a fresh start. Can you rally friends to assist with moving furniture? I know that she doesn't want to go to WINZ because of past discrepancies but it would probably be a good idea to get in touch with them and see if they can help. The worst that can happen is they say no. Also get in touch with Housing NZ and see if they can help find emergency housing for her. Definitely get in touch with citizens advice bureau as they are bound to know of other places to help and can also send along a representative to assist her when dealing with winz, harcourts, housing NZ etc. -------------  
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Posted By: MissCandice
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 9:02am
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Thanks MrsMojo!
Her property maanager at harcourts, does not like her one bit and i think hes done this just to spite her. He really is an asshole as he was my old property manager and some of you might remember the problems i was having with them. Im going to call tenancy tribunal now and see what they say. TBH i dont have any friends that can help. I have a car but no towball. MissAngel, shes done the police thing, and gone through the courts for a protection order. Not just a tresspass order. ------------- ~ Mummy to a beautiful girl ~ |
Posted By: MissCandice
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 9:13am
Ok i just spoke with TT and they have advised for me to tell her not to leave the property, to lodge a dispute with them regarding her situation and what harcourts have done to her as they cant make her leave. So im going to do that with her today and pay the $20 fee for her  So yay her kids and her have somewhere to live for now
Iv printed off every house available for rent on trade me too. ------------- ~ Mummy to a beautiful girl ~ |
Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 9:19am
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Fantastic news! Great work Kandice!! Now does he have a key for the property? Better make sure that the ass from harcourts is aware of the dispute and doesn't give him one. Although with a trespass order in place the ex shouldn't be allowed on the property at all as long as she's there (is that right?). -------------
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Posted By: MissCandice
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 9:21am
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With the protection order he cant come anywhere near her. Protection orders are higher than tresspass so the cops will arrive within minutes to help her. Im calling her on her break to tell her what TT have told me, and i will call harcourts and advise them its been lodged with TT and not to give the key out. ------------- ~ Mummy to a beautiful girl ~ |
Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 9:53am
Go Kandice, what a lovely friend you are 
at Harcourts though, that is not on at all. Definitely make a complaint about his conduct once this mess is all sorted.
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Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 10:07am
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God, I'm amazed Harcourts would be so stupid as to do that. Even if the guy didn't like her, did he think that he would get away with it?
You really are a great friend! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: MissCandice
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 10:28am
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Im not sure what he thought. But in their defence they were not aware of the 'protection order' situation. With everything else she was dealing with she forgot about them. She had custody to arrange, the protection order, getting food for her girls, taking unpaid leave from work the works. She rang them on fridy to advise she would be in on tuesday so sign the tenancy again and they said sweet. We got their yesterday and she was told she has to move out. ------------- ~ Mummy to a beautiful girl ~ |
Posted By: MissCandice
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 10:31am
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The reason he doesnt like her is because while all this mess was going on he turned up at her place without giving notice and it was a mess. She had not had time to clean and was in a bad situation.
When he was my property manager he also done this to me. They had done a roperty check, the only thing he could complain about was i hadnt cleaned the oven, i was heavily pregnant and couldnt use the stuff because its poisenous, DF well hes a male, i dont need to explain lol and we just hadnt got round to it. He turned up and went straight into the kitchen and had a look. ------------- ~ Mummy to a beautiful girl ~ |
Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 10:36am
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So in other words this guy from harcourts has breached tenancy laws a couple of times in the past. He must give you 24 hours notice before visiting the property and 48 hours notice before inspecting the property. I would definitely make an official complaint against him. -------------
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Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 10:59am
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I agree with Jo, he can't do that.
What is it with tennancy companies, years ago I had an inspection and all they could find to complain about was that I hadn't vaccuumed, I'd don't it 3 days prior but obviously not soon enough for them. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 11:54am
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Kandice: May mums from here who have girls can help with cloths and stuff? I am going of to Fiji tomorrow but when I come back I can have a look thru the millions of cloths DD has in the boxes...if that helps! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 17 September 2008 at 12:47pm
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I work for a Harcourts who does property management, so know the sytem well. Make sure you complain to the manager about the behaviour of him as the manager may not be aware of what is going on.
Some are just left to their own devices so to speak. With the Harcourts I work for, the manager is very hands on as its a smaller rental company so the manager has weekly meetings and knows what is what. Let me know if I can be of help! If she ends up looking for a new place - I can see what we have etc. -------------  
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