Owww...
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Topic: Owww...
Posted By: jax
Subject: Owww...
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 10:07am
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I've found that lately (in the last week) when my bladder gets really full, things have actually started to hurt a lot more, but it's mostly on my right side and fairly low down. If I wasn't pregnant I'd say it's where my ovaries are, although I'm not sure they'd be in the same spot right at the moment ! Anybody else have this? It's super uncomfortable, and even though I go to the bathroom heaps anyway, it's hard to get the timing right sometimes to avoid it hurting.
Also, I know panadol is "safe", but would it be reasonable / effective to take for Braxton Hicks? ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater 
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
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Posted By: robyn
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 10:37am
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I get a lot of pains down there too, at the moment the main part is around the whole pubic bone area, feels like it is being ripped apart when I move (what a shame will have to stay on the couch) I wouldnt think braxton hicks woudl last long enough for panadol to kick in, mine only last a minute or so and shouldnt really be that painful. Baby is probably pushing everything to the side so no wonder it hurts! ------------- KOBE born 19 March 2004 http://www.TickerFactory.com/"> 
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Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 10:45am
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Can't say it's the same as the pubic bone pains, although I did wonder, feels more muscular - like a tighly wound spring or something.
As for the BH - they don't last long individually, but will get a whole series of them which is the problem, for one it's hard to deal with at work when I have to be on the phone all the time and leaves me quite tired sometimes (which is why I wondered about the panadol, kinda reminds me of how I used to feel after early period pains). Feels like I've got a baby octopus in there rather than a little girl at the moment LOL  ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: james
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 1:01pm
ohh yup happen to me aswell jax very painful if u r woried ring your midwife ------------- <a href="http://lilypie.com"><img src="http://b4.lilypie.com/nLJ5p13.png" alt="Lilypie 4th Birthday Ticker" border="0" /></a> |
Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 1:13pm
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Hey Lu, I might do if it keeps popping up over the weekend, so I will let you guys know ! I am not prone to ringing her that often (has only been once so far, with my "old" midwife), but this may well be an exception. ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: james
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 2:04pm
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good lady u and bubs heath is most important to be to worried about ringing her (midwife) thays what she is there for ------------- <a href="http://lilypie.com"><img src="http://b4.lilypie.com/nLJ5p13.png" alt="Lilypie 4th Birthday Ticker" border="0" /></a> |
Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 4:44pm
| Are you sure it isn't a bladder infection or anything like that? Give mw a call to be safe |
Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 5:19pm
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Yeah I did wonder about that, am just wondering what other signs might be? ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 5:39pm
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Ok nevermind, looked it up and did a bit of reading, thought it could well be a bladder infection, and called my midwife. She said I should go into a lab tomorrow and get my routine bloods and other stuff done because they'd get me to pee as well anyway, but then only AFTER I'd hung up on her did I realise that I'm working tomorrow !! So I'm going to have to wait until Sunday morning, and luckily there's a lab not too far from here that will be open despite the holiday. *groan* What a pain in the arse... ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: robyn
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 7:42pm
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yep but better to get it checked out. let us know how you get on ------------- KOBE born 19 March 2004 http://www.TickerFactory.com/">
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Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 15 April 2006 at 9:20am
Did I mention I'm not the most patient person? :P Was a bit sore last night, and again this morning, but so far so good - mind you, having things to do at work might be keeping my mind off it. Will head out to the lab first thing tomorrow morning, so much for a sleep in  ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: james
Date Posted: 15 April 2006 at 3:14pm
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suxs about the sleep in jax keep us updated ------------- <a href="http://lilypie.com"><img src="http://b4.lilypie.com/nLJ5p13.png" alt="Lilypie 4th Birthday Ticker" border="0" /></a> |
Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 1:24pm
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Ok so I was a bit lazy, went to have the bloods done as well as the glucose challenge - which just tasted like lemonade. Pretty sure something is going to show up though, coz it's been a bit more sore than before, and I'm feeling REALLY drained *sigh* Oh the joys. If it doesn't show up anything though, then I'm gonna be annoyed...
And so I just hafta wait some more, don't know if the results will be out tomorrow or tuesday, my midwife said to make sure they knew it was urgent. ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: mum2emj
Date Posted: 16 April 2006 at 5:09pm
hope you gets some answers soon jax..... sorry that you are sore 
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Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 17 April 2006 at 3:39pm
Ok so, if I had the tests done on Sunday, and the form was marked urgent with the box ticked to call my midwife when the results come through, do you think they would have rung her by now? Or, even though the lab was open, would the results not come through until tomorrow because of the public holidays? I'm getting REALLY sore, am pretty sure it's not Braxton Hicks because I'm still getting those and they're not painful, just odd. This sore feeling still gets a little 'better' if I pee, although there is no burning or unusual increase in frequency (I keep my fluids up anyway, and am going hard on cranberry juice and water). If the results *have* come through, but there's nothing there and so no reason for them to have rung my midwife, I'm going to go crazy - it really makes me catch my breath now, best thing for me to do is stop EVERYTHING and stay still until it passes. Panadol sometimes helps... and I realise I sound like a wimp, but even if it was contractions surely it wouldn't start out so badly, or go on for so long? I'm not as panicked as this must sound, I'm just really annoyed. Tired of being tired basically ! My chronic impatience doesn't help I suppose ! 
Edited to add: Almost forgot to mention that I don't think it's gas either, not farting more than normal and not constipated either. Also sent my midwife a txt to see if she'd heard anything, but haven't heard back yet. ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: mum2emj
Date Posted: 17 April 2006 at 3:59pm
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I'd personally expect if the urgent box was ticked regardless if it was a public holiday, i'd think that it would be important enough to of had the results by now! man, you shouldnt have to be going through pain and not knowing why sounds like you might have to wait another night though. fingers crossed that you do get an answer soon, cause its not normal to be in pain like that, and the sooner you know whats wrong the sooner it can be sorted.
argh... BIG HUGS! and you dont sound like a wimp, you sound like you are in pain. 
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Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 17 April 2006 at 5:01pm
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It comes and goes though, which I'm counting as a good thing. Right now I feel fine ! (Full on chocolate hot cross buns too... mmm...) Got a txt back from Jill my midwife who said "not til 2moro" *sigh* Oh well ! I'm sure I'll live LOL Thanks for the sympathies and support, it helps lots ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: james
Date Posted: 17 April 2006 at 5:14pm
oh hunny it sounds horrible hopefully its tomorrow moring the test comes back if its getting worse ring your midwife hope it gets sorted soon ------------- <a href="http://lilypie.com"><img src="http://b4.lilypie.com/nLJ5p13.png" alt="Lilypie 4th Birthday Ticker" border="0" /></a> |
Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 8:58am
just typed a huge post, then clicked the wrong button and lost it!!! 
anyway, hope you have some results really soon!!! you poor thing, pain sux at the best of times let alone unexplained pain!
hope you got lots of chocolate over the weekend to see you through ------------- http://www.alternatickers.com"> 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 10:22am
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I hope your feeling better today Jax
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Posted By: james
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 3:04pm
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how u feeling jax hope its all sorted ------------- <a href="http://lilypie.com"><img src="http://b4.lilypie.com/nLJ5p13.png" alt="Lilypie 4th Birthday Ticker" border="0" /></a> |
Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 8:59pm
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And so the saga continues ! I will try and keep it short as I am knackered. Pain was pretty bad today but I just muddled through it, and then got a txt from my midwife saying all of my test results were (you guessed it!) NORMAL She said I should see a doctor, so I thought about it and tried to figure out when the best time would be. Anyway, I went and explained everything to my team leader, who said - why wait, go now ! Hopped in a taxi, off to a medical clinic (Ascot), who then shuttled me off to hospital. Saw my midwife who made me pee again and took more blood just in case, but nothing showed there either. However, after finally seeing the obstetric registrar who was on call, it seems I have a damaged ligament - the main one that holds up my flipping uterus !! I'm not on bed rest as such but can't do much else either, and was told to buy some 'sensible knickers' (the support kind), take panadol every 4-6 hours to control the pain, and not to go to work for at least a week to make sure the muscle / ligament has time to heal.
WHEW. So we finally headed home, grabbed some Wendys for dinner, and here I am ! ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: robyn
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 9:03pm
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thats good that you got some answers but what a bugger! Will your work be ok with you taking time off? ------------- KOBE born 19 March 2004 http://www.TickerFactory.com/">
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Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 9:06pm
Yup they are perfectly fine and just want me in one piece, haha ! I rung them straight after, and just got them to put me through to the team leader that was on call. They have been really good so far, even paid for the cab that I took to the clinic  (Roland left work early to go get the car so I wouldn't have to, as we do a combo of drive / bus to get to work most mornings, and then met me at the clinic later.)------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 10:02pm
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I'm boarding on saying "lucky cow!"....and only 'cos you get a week off!
Rest up! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 10:04pm
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Does it help if I say I still feel like a wuss, and this is the first time I've taken time off for anything remotely pregnancy related?
Mind you, I think part of this overwhelming 'wuss' thing that I'm feeling right now is the woman I could hear down the hall in a birthing suite at the hospital screaming LOTS, ack ! ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: mum2emj
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 6:46am
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lol jax, when we had our antenatal groups they were just down the hall from the birthing suite and it was often heard all the yelling/screaming and pushing!!! argh!!
pleased you have an answer, justa shame that its a wait it out kinda result be nice to have a week off work to do that though.
-see you werent being a wimp!!! that kinda thing has GOTTA hurt! ow!- |
Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 8:33am
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LOL This whole pregnancy has been an exercise in patience for me, which is a good thing I think, it's not something I had a lot of before !
Am just sitting here now (on a swiss ball) with my morning coffee and a banana, and will be quite happy to take it easy - the trick is going to be finding enough things to stay entertained ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 8:53am
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hehehe, so we'll see alot more of you on here then
i'm glad they figured out what was going on and hope you start to feel better soon chick! ------------- http://www.alternatickers.com">
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Posted By: daikini
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 9:19am
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Oh Jax! Good you got answers, bummer on what they were! Get better, and that's an order!
You know I'm practically online all day if you want to chat... just don't let Nat see, cause I'm studying... ------------- Becca, mum of 2 girls & 3 boys |
Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 9:28am
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Ok so, had a sleep in, but am wondering if my body has misinterpreted things and taken the signal to relax the wrong way - I had two bananas, and a weak coffee as I mentioned before, nothing out of the ordinary... except (*bites her tongue about feeling like a wimp*)... now I feel nauseous the same way I did in the first trimester, argh ! Am hoping it will pass, but we'll see *sigh* I'm supposed to be getting better, not sicker ! Not that I feel really 'ill' though, do you know what I mean ? Just worn out a bit. ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: caraMel
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 9:34am
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poor you jax! rest up and have a relaxing week off. hope the nausea passes soon too!!! ------------- Mel, Mummy to E: 6, B: 4 and: 
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Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 9:45am
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So much for the bananas Nausea seems to be mostly gone, but now my mum is coming over for a visit !! The phone rang while I was in the loo, and then there was a message from her on my cellphone, so I rang back and it turns out she's at the supermarket just around the corner - I guess the upside is that while I don't really feel like much company, she's bringing me ice cream ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: mum2emj
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 9:52am
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i'd love some company!!!!! its my turn for the bad day!
had a big fight with hubby last night, my girls have been naughty, i had the runs during the night so am tired!!!! my mum and dad are on holiday in europe and my sister has moved to aussie. feeling pretty alone here right now! -enjoy ya icecream jax.... mmmmmm yummy! have some for me! lol- |
Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 10:09am
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lol well actually, the saying IS that 'misery loves company' isn't it ? ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 10:18am
awww jax sorry to hear but at least you know what it is and it will get better  Ur so lucky i want ice cream!!!
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Posted By: AlyAyde
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 10:25am
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Bananas were the only thing that made me vomit when i was pregnant with alyssa, even banana cake. I did ask around at the time and its quite common that and advocados. I think its the potasium. Just as a side not lissy hated bananas for ages ------------- Jayde 25/12/04 Alyssa 08/04/03 http://Alyayde.bebo.com |
Posted By: robyn
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 11:29am
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wow must be the day for miserable preggie woman. I had a terrible night with needing to pee, reflux, pain when I moved and cramp at least 5 times in my calf. Kobe woke up at 5.30am but hubby kindly let me sleep in although I woke at 8.30 anyway and have felt really gross and sick all day so far with constant reflux which is driving me crazy! Well theres my moan for the day ------------- KOBE born 19 March 2004 http://www.TickerFactory.com/">
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Posted By: james
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 12:41pm
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oh jax i,m glad they found out what was wrong rest up and have u tried ginger forits spose to help ------------- <a href="http://lilypie.com"><img src="http://b4.lilypie.com/nLJ5p13.png" alt="Lilypie 4th Birthday Ticker" border="0" /></a> |
Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 1:02pm
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Hey Lu, I was going to try ginger but it was pretty iffy... so I just had a cup of regular old tea, which really seemed to help. Have been able to keep down some water since, and some crackers with a bit of avocado, so hopefully it will just disappear ! ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 10:43am
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hey jax, hope you are feeling alot better today! i love your little pic you added on top of the ticker, its soooo cute!! ------------- http://www.alternatickers.com">
http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 1:06pm
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Hehehe thanks, I got the idea last night and stayed up WAY past my bedtime just to get it done LOL Feeling better today, although my appetite has gone down again - not ready to eat a horse like I was before No nausea, which is good, although I'm avoiding anything TOO sweet or "too" anything, you know? Went to EGG and bought some of the support knickers, although they're not as good as the ghastly flesh colored support belts they had, so I got one of those too At least nobody will be able to see it under my clothes ! Had a really busy morning, but of course all the walking has made me REALLY sore again - and my aim for the rest of the afternoon is to do as little as possible (Went to the bank, post shop, etc)
------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 1:09pm
Jax, I think you and I need a little talk about the definition of rest! 
Now get to that couch girl! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 1:17pm
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*chuckles* Well, it had to be done sometime, my rosters were too screwy on other days - mum even drove me right up close to the shops and everything so I didn't have to walk *that* much ! Ah well, look out couch (and *ahem* Horatio Kane!), here I come ! ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: daikini
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 1:46pm
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Ahhh... CSI: Miami... ------------- Becca, mum of 2 girls & 3 boys |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 2:51pm
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agreed! I will be glued to my taped copy tonight! although Vegas is still the best! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 23 April 2006 at 9:59pm
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Just a quick update.
Thought things were slowly but surely getting better, although I've had cause to reconsider and will get to that in a minute. Anyway, the doc at the hospital said to take a week off work, albeit didn't realise I'm not in a typical monday-friday job and when she wrote down five days only gave five consecutive days (not including the weekend). Anyway, in the last week some of my days were rostered off, and the other TL I spoke to (not my own, there are two) said to give them a call when I was feeling better and we'd sort something out. I rang *my* TL today to say I'd be happy to come back Wednesday (rostered off Anzac day), and she actually sounded kinda annoyed ! I'm trying not to take it personally, because she was only on-call (rather than physically at work in our building), but the way she handled it still got up my nose a bit, mostly the part where she said "Well, you're the one who's been sick, it's your call..." Because I felt she'd rather have me back tomorrow than Wednesday. *sigh* Well, baby comes first I'm afraid, I just hate it when I get these vibes from people, especially at work !! They've otherwise been really good about everything (and I really will only have missed four rostered shifts in total not counting my rostered days off). So, about my 'cause to reconsider' how well this is healing, the "attacks" (stabbing pain from ligament problem) have decreased somewhat in frequency and duration, but not quite so much in intensity. If I'm really lucky it's only once a day, and then going to the loo to take a bit of pressure off will help, and so then the pain only lasts maybe a total of 5 minutes. On average though, it will still happen a couple of times in a day, which is entirely manageable I guess - but tonight there was an exception. Fortunately, I suppose, it was brief - but I was watching CSI (on tv LOL and it was the original vegas baby, yeah !) and went to get up to the loo and WHAM ! Ow ! *cringe* It was like someone had put a REALLY sharp knife in there. So I shuffled down to the toilet since the pressure was probably what had brought it on, but it was still SO painful that I couldn't sit down properly to pee
You know what? I'm rambling. Not sure why, could be me being tired of being tired, and a bit restless I spose. It's just that on one hand, this pain / ligament problem is "bearable" despite the fact that I would rate it a 9.5 out of 10. On the other hand, I would be quite happy to stay at home longer despite how bored I get, but it would affect us financially, and I really don't want to have intermittent, random, stabbing pain through the rest of my pregnancy. I guess I just had to put this out there, to feel a little better... sorry to whinge so much ! ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 23 April 2006 at 10:23pm
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awww shame jax...poor u, that bladder thing sounds awful-as if pregnancys not uncomfortable enough without something like that adding to it....
Bugger ur boss,i hate it when they try and make u feel guilty, but ur right bubs comes first. Hope it gets better soon chicky, in the meantime a big one of these for you
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Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 23 April 2006 at 10:26pm
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Thanks, I needed one of those ! It's not that I'm not grateful for everything I have because I know I'm in a damn good position, but GAH... effing hormones ! (And it's the ligament holding up my uterus that gets inflamed, then my bladder puts pressure on it and hey presto ! Ow ow ow...) ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 23 April 2006 at 10:33pm
| ugh sounds horrible.....i really really really hope it gets better real soon -like in the next 5mins!!! |
Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 23 April 2006 at 10:47pm
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LMAO thanks, I hope so too ! ------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~ |
Posted By: jack_&_charli
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 11:05am
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awww jax i'm sorry your having a rough time! i have no expert advise so all i can offer you is big fat ------------- http://www.alternatickers.com">
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 11:34am
| Awww jax i hope your feeling better! You should talk your hubby into getting a CSI game for you they are so much fun and then you wont wanna get up coz ull want to do nothing but play CSI hehe |
Posted By: robyn
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 6:43pm
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hope you are feeling better, I know how you feel!
I second the CSI game, we have a couple of them and they are soooo cool and Im not really into computer games but love csi ------------- KOBE born 19 March 2004 http://www.TickerFactory.com/">
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Posted By: james
Date Posted: 24 April 2006 at 8:31pm
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hi ya jax hope u r feeling better now and baby bird(lol) is behaving herself(lol) ------------- <a href="http://lilypie.com"><img src="http://b4.lilypie.com/nLJ5p13.png" alt="Lilypie 4th Birthday Ticker" border="0" /></a> |