Do you know who you are going to vote for
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Topic: Do you know who you are going to vote for
Posted By: mummy_becks
Subject: Do you know who you are going to vote for
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:15pm
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at the election yet?? No need to say who you are if you already know if you don't want to.
I do and my party vote will never change, however if I was to change areas for my MP it may change.
------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
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Posted By: BuzzyBee
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:19pm
| Labour ...and that's not about to change anytime soon. |
Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:41pm
| Yes I do, it hasn't changed. I haven't found anyone better so I don't see the point in changing my vote. I have changed areas since last election so I will change my candidate (as now in Jim Anderton's electorate so I finally get to vote for him!) |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:45pm
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I have no idea, I voted ACT in the last two elections but they don't impress me much these days.
I can categorically say it won't be Labour, the Greens or the Maori party so that doesn't leave me much choice  -------------  Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: Troods
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:48pm
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No idea. None of them impress me much. ------------- 
Missed MC July 2011
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Posted By: Mum2ET
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:51pm
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Yes- national ------------- Mum to Ella (5) and Tom (2) |
Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:53pm
| Yup Labour |
Posted By: DJ
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:59pm
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Greens
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 8:11pm
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Simon Power - cause I have no idea who the other candidates are.
Swinging towards National, which is why I'm struggling with making a decision as I've always voted Labour up until now. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: myfullhouse
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 8:46pm
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Not 100% sure. Last election was Labour both votes but am considering splitting my vote this year. Although I am not a huge Green follower their campaign this time has made me think alot more about the future and more importantly Jack's future. ------------- Lindsey 
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 8:53pm
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National here..though not really impressed with anyone I have to vote so that's who I'm going for. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: .Mel
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 8:56pm
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Definitely not National, there is something about John Key that I just don't trust, it's in his eyes.
Labour for me. ------------- Mr Mellow (16) Miss Attitude (8) Destructa Kid (3) 
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Posted By: linda
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 9:08pm
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National here. They're holding a 'met the candidates' in the local hall but decided not to go because its not going to change our vote ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
Alex 6 and Harry 8 |
Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 9:09pm
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I have no idea, lesser of evils I think.. Need to do some more research on what they are all offering this year. Have just been too tired. -------------   
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Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 9:10pm
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Green Party. |
Posted By: Konagirl
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 9:12pm
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Greens for me, always have ------------- Angel babies Mar '04, Oct '08 and Sep '09. |
Posted By: LittleBug
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 9:16pm
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98% sure I will vote National... but I think it's always a case of trying to choose the lesser of evil's, so don't really fully support any party in particular. ------------- Chloe (4 years) and Oliver (3 years). |
Posted By: Danaj
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 9:16pm
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I'm going Labour again. I agree that it's the lesser of two evils but they have lived up to the promises that I based my last vote on.
I like the idea of keeping assets NZ owned and that they are talking about extended maternity pay. I know this has been put on hold but the idea is there for the future which we could benefit from for future bubbies. How many of us have benefited from WFF? ------------- http://www.TickerFactory.com/weight-loss/wyI1oWn/"> 
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 9:28pm
| labour candidate and green party. i like the greens being in parliament. they have integrity and keep to their morals - nice for ONE party to do that. |
Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 9:29pm
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I couldnt agree more Mel. Labour here too ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
Busy mum to Miss 15yrs, Miss 10yrs and Master 4yrs |
.Mel wrote:Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:24pm
Barack Obama!!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:27pm
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and National , I want a party that gives murderers life, not some stupid 17 year sentence for killing someone (or 2 people)
Tho i dont "hate " Helen Clark like many anti labour people do , i met her once and she was nice enough .... -------------
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Posted By: Danaj
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:58pm
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I don't "hate" John Keys either but I have doubts about what he would do if he gets in. The whole Kiwibank thing was a bit scary and same with Kiwisaver. Just seems a bit non commital sometimes and I feel like everything he says is in reaction to Helen rather than being of his own bat. Just my opinion of course. ------------- http://www.TickerFactory.com/weight-loss/wyI1oWn/">
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 18 October 2008 at 11:28pm
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I dont think I will vote..as I have no idea who I wanna vote for. LOL
Last election is was labour and the one before that...but some how Labour dont impress any more..not to say I am impressed by JK Either....soooo who does that leave me?? I guess National is more appealing now as I am not part of KS nor am I with KB. And all for tax cuts ...but at the same time their other policies I dont agree with sooo....there is no party I 100% agree with!! Hmmmm ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Jennz
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 2:45am
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Green for me ------------- Jen, Charlotte 7 & Kate 3 
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Posted By: MissCandice
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 8:04am
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Labour - If its not broke dont fix it. ------------- ~ Mummy to a beautiful girl ~ |
Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 10:26am
Not I ... I've moved electorates so this time around Im going to vote for Rodney Hyde .. however my party vote will go to the Nats ... although I wont cry if Labour get back in ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year  http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 11:19am
ah ...but that alldepends what side of the fence your on ... 
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Posted By: Mum2ET
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 11:39am
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couldn't agree more Kelly ------------- Mum to Ella (5) and Tom (2) |
Posted By: MissCandice
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 11:55am
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Im on the side that knows absolutly nothing about politics and elections and whos doing what. I honestly wouldnt have a clue, so im just sticking to what i know, hence the if it aint broke dont fix it. I thought helen has done a good job, well from my tiny bit of understanding. Im just not a politic girl haha. ------------- ~ Mummy to a beautiful girl ~ |
Posted By: LJsmum
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 12:01pm
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Unsure at this stage need to go to their websites and read up on what they all believe in.
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Posted By: MissCandice
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 12:02pm
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Wow they have websites?? Haha maybe i should read them.. ------------- ~ Mummy to a beautiful girl ~ |
Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 1:15pm
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Yep Kandice they do http://www.labour08.co.nz/ - Labour and www.national.org.nz - National ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 8:42pm
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I'm voting for National. I have been swinging with whether to vote a minor party 'seat' e.g. maybe United Future, but I haven't heard any policy from a minor party this election that has interested me!
The election is not all about the money for me. I'm quite keen to see National's youth training ideas come into force. I think they would do well at tax cuts too, though. Labour poo-poos that policy a lot but didn't they just offer tax cuts themselves? It's almost like Labour's best policies have actually been National ones, reworded. That annoys me. The other thing that bugs me is that the minor parties don't seem to put themselves out there very much. Everyone wants to sit on the fence so they have better chances of coalition. I would like to see one of them rise up with their own policies etc and actually make it a race of 3, not just 2 extremes. ------------- |
Posted By: peachy
Date Posted: 19 October 2008 at 9:02pm
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National for me!
I went to a "meet the candidates" evening last week, it was very interesting! John Key is our electorate candidate and I was actually quite impressed with him. I normally pay absolutely no attention to politics as it does not interest me one bit! So this year I decided to actually take notice and learn something! I normally vote ACT! I do like their 3 strikes and your out policy on crime. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: ohanlon82
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 9:15am
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Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 9:25am
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National for me.
I think Helen has done her dash, to be fair I don't think she has done a terrible job but she has led the country through fairly boyant times and I don't think we have moved forward as a country as we should have. John Key is a relative unknown but sometimes you've got to take a chance on change. I have lost a lot of respect for Labour with the personal challenges and attacks they have pulled over the past month. Rather than letting their party policies do the talking they've spent more time trying to discredit Key, I mean seriously, trying to imply that he had something to do with the colapse of Merrill Lynch..... |
Posted By: Jay_R
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 10:09am
| Maori Party for my candidate vote, Labour for my party vote. |
Posted By: rachelsea
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 12:49pm
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I haven't decided who I'm voting for, first one I voted Labour, last one National, just coz that's what I felt like on the day this time I'm going to actually research their policies and see who I agree with the most! ------------- DD 4yrs DS 2yrs http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: bluebird
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 1:16pm
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I think i'm going to vote Greens.
I think Labour has done quite well, though I've been getting WFF and they opened up the teen parent school which I went to. I think its fair enough that a lot of people don't like Labour because they haven't received any direct assistance, but there have been a few things that people don't seem to realise, like most prescriptions are only $3 and other things like that. I like that with Labour, at least we know what were getting, which I think most people would agree hasn't been THAT bad. Not perfect, but the country is doing pretty well. Going on Nationals past record I would rather we wernt lead by them again. |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 2:09pm
i was going to post word for word exactly what you said....I lived in her electorate.. but didn't meet her but she seems nice enough ! and go Barrack! ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 2:12pm
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i do get confused that people vote the other way cause they don't like someone though:)It's going to be weird if National get in as they don't have many parties that will go with them..Greens said Labour...and so that sorta leaves ACT and United Future I guess?
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 2:15pm
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ACT will always go with National (I think they are more right wing than National are) and United Future will go either way, and have gone labours way the past 2 elections. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: sweetpea
Date Posted: 20 October 2008 at 3:34pm
| more than likely National i think its time for a change and i like most of their polices particuly the about bonding of medical prefoessionals. Can't understand why it hasn't been done already when Dh sister was training for teaching she had compulsory country service it solved the problem of having no teachers at rural schools. thsi was quite a few years ago btw |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 2:08pm
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I have always voted Labour and probably always will. Hubby onbthe other hand HATES Helen and is very nasty about her, tauntng ME bacause of my leanings... He is a dyed in the wool national voter, lol. WE have had some very bad fights over politics and I can't wait till they are over.
I am very very scared National is going to get in ONLY becasue people want a change for the sake of change, not for any other reason, as I feel John (slimy) Key is a little "green" to be PM yet... I like Labour as they are very family freindly (Paid Parental leave and 20 hours ECE would have NEVER gotten in on a national government) ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: Jay_R
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 2:46pm
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Totally agree with you Annie - the whole change for a change thing thats going on is madness.
I'm actually really scared about the prospect of a National Government, and I sincerely hope that Labour is able to get enough votes to secure governing with Greens and the Maori Party. |
Posted By: Genie
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 3:02pm
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Totally agree with previous 2 posts..I am scared of what will happen to us if National get in now that we will be only on hubby's income for a while. No matter what he says about keeping WFF, he seems so slimy and I don't believe what he says. ------------- 
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 3:07pm
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Ive always voted Labour ... however this time Im looking at the other parties.
I see Helen all the time, she trains at my gym and is quite often there at the same time as me (I go late after Issy is asleep) .. she is a nice enough person, so its not a "personal" thing, its just looking at the policies my family would be better off under new management" Although they all have policies that scare me ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: Jay_R
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 3:34pm
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The privatisation of ACC is pretty scary - we'll have a situation where if you need hospitalisation after an accident you'll have to pay for it. Think the US and their insurance or no hospital care....
He's just lied and contradicted himself too many times for comfort. There was a time about a year ago when I thought maybe he might be a good option, but the more I hear from him, I just have no trust in the man. |
Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 3:50pm
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We got an interesting little flyer in the mail today of 5 things labour has brought in which national has voted against..
kiwirail buyback paid parental leave nz superannuation fund interest free student loans 4th week of annual leave 3 of those have or do affect me directly. Soooo glad Labour has been in government. The prospect of a National govt scares me a bit too |
Posted By: BessieBear
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 4:46pm
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i didnt vote last election and i dont think ill bother again. ------------- Sarah Mum to, Boy 07/2008, Girl 03/2010, Boy 05/2012, Angel 07/08/2014
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 4:51pm
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Can I ask why? (without sounding rude? just curious) ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 6:44pm
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i dont trust either Helen ,or John , but if i did then i guess they wouldn't be politicians haha .
MY perfect government would be one where there was a blend of both , eg, they kept paid parental leave and the other stuff Stacey listed, (I DO think that if people can and are able to work however they should make an effort to, and no,im not referring to single mums on the dpb) and then some of National's policies , such as , life for life, My friend was murdered and my bestfriend and sister very nearly died too, and no, my friend wont be coming back regardless of how long his killer gets ,but it would sure feel a lot better knowing he was going to be locked away for longer than 16 years...quite frankly i believe the Govt at the moment is too soft on perpertrators . So perhaps if they could band together and have the pros of both parties, and none of the cons, it would be an ideal world...but we all there is no such thing .... -------------
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 6:55pm
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The greens last election wanted to build more prisons and lock people away for longer so that isn't just a national policy.
I bank with Kiwibank and I have kiwisaver (although am not making contributions as currently not in paid employment). We are on the threshold for WFF but will get something when number 2 arrives. So national get in and we don't get the tax cut as if you get WFF you don't get it and they take the money for the tax cuts away from my kiwisaver (once i'm contributing obviously). So how does that help anyone? basically I see it as robbing the poor to give to the rich. I'm not sure who I am gonna vote for most likely labour but maybe a party vote for greens. ------------- 
 
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Posted By: Jay_R
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 7:24pm
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I think the thing with voting is that you have to be true to yourself and your intrinsic beliefs.
I believe that as citizens of this wonderful country we are due certain rights. Some of those include: supporting our poorer families who need extra assistance to give them a decent standard of living (Working for Families), keeping ourselves nuclear free, having a very good publicly funded health system, building our economy locally (kiwibank), ensuring that our military support in places they are needed but do not heed the call of bully nations to enrich themselves (war on terror anyone??? what a joke). For these reasons, and sooooooo many others I cannot support or vote for a National led government. I do not believe they would serve us as well and as fairly as Labour has these last 9 years. |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 7:32pm
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PPL was introduced by Alliance not Labour.
While having the extra weeks leave might be nice, the cost of funding that extra week is crippling for small employers, which there are a lot of in NZ. Same with Kiwisaver where does Labour think small businesses are going to get the 4% they have to contribute, especially in this market. I'm voting for the party that allows me to keep more of the money I earn for myself. I don't agree with the concept of WFF, you go to work, pay your taxes, and Helen gives it back to you in the form of a benefit for your children. Why can't you simply keep more of your pay to start with. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Jay_R
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 7:36pm
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[QUOTE=fleury] PPL was introduced by Alliance not Labour.
QUOTE] Whats PPL? Ok, edited to say: PPL - Paid Parental Leave! Clearly Fleury you are a small business person, and National would work well for someone like you. I personally am not motivated for reasons that work for me as an individual only - I want policies that work best for the people of this country as a whole. WFF is a fantastic form of tax credit. It allows those who need a bit of a helping hand at particular times to receive it and provide their children with things they wouldn't otherwise be able to. As a parent, that is something I think is valuable and honourable. We do not receive WFF. In fact, as a family who earns more than $200k a year it is National's policies that would actually benefit us more. But my moral concience leads me in this case. I could not with good faith gain more when others more needing of assistance would miss out. |
Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 7:44pm
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ooh ooh *puts hand up * i know !
Paid Parental Leave *is proud she knows something * -------------
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 7:54pm
I am not a small business person, but I have worked for a small business, and changes like kiwi saver, extra weeks leave etc had a huge impact on the profitability of the company. All these so called extras have come at the cost of actually pay rises which would be more helpful to pay for the groceries and petrol atm. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 7:58pm
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Surely supporting small to medium sized businesses is in the best interest of the country and the economy.
Given that most of NZ businesses fit into that category, isn't it better to enable them to be more profitable in order to retain staff and/or hire more people. Its very noble of people to vote for the party that benefits others. It isn't how most people vote. Most people vote for whats best for them. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Jay_R
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 8:00pm
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Those things benefit workers. And workers are entitled to them. Not trying to offend you Fleury, as I like the fact you are very passionate about your views. But I can't see how these benefits really make a negative difference except to give employers a bit more paperwork. They are as good as actual payrises, they provide more to families regardless of how they actually come to people.
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Posted By: Jay_R
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 8:02pm
Absolutely true. Most people do vote for what best serves them as individuals. Perhaps my views are outdated or something, as I think those of us that have more should support those who have less. |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 8:06pm
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That's the fundamental difference between Labour and National.
National gives you more of your own money to do with as you wish. Labour retains the money and dishes it out as it sees fit. Depending on which you agree with, will determine your vote I guess. I'm not offended, I used to be a strong Labour supporter, but find myself stuck on a middle income and getting nothing from anyone and having to pay for everything. Labour hasn't helped us so I want to see what National are going to do. Helen Clark's decisions cost DH his job, so that's kinda personal. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 8:11pm
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I disagree with the fundamental differences you think Fleury..
Labour are for public good National are for private/business good |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 8:17pm
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That's one way of putting it, I guess depends on which receiving end you are on. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Jay_R
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 8:18pm
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The only way National are going to give us more is to borrow to be able to do so. Who amongst us really believes that "borrowing to support infrastructure" is actually not borrowing to provide tax cuts????
We don't need that, and I for one certainly can't support a party who thinks we are imbeciles who can't tell the difference. The ONLY way National can provide what they are promising is to borrow. That is not conducive to a stable financial position for this country. |
Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 8:45pm
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Now that we are not entitled to WFF I will still be voting Labour. Aunty Helen has done so much for us in the past 4 and 1/2 years we have had children and I do fel very blessed to be able to get that help, and I want other people that have been in our situation to benefit. And I honestly don't give 2 hoots about tax cuts, I would rather pay them to have a decent education system. And I totally agree with you Clare on the privatisation of ACC - that is really scary. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: Jennz
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 8:53pm
Ahhh but then you have to use that money to pay for things like the higher costs in health care, the proposed road tolls and the extra costs of living that privatisation of government owned assets always incurs. Its the National philosophy- give with one hand and take away with the other. Our house hold is in a high income bracket and would be far better off under a National government but I pretty much agree with everything joshierocks has said. I also think those of us that have more should support those who have less. National is about making the rich, richer and the poor, poorer- always have been, always will be. But I think the reality is that they will get in just because people want change- then they'll totally screw the country over, like they always do and in about 1-2 terms Labour will come back in and fix it all back up again And as soon as the country is in better shape everyone will decide they want change for changes sake and.....
Will we ever learn? ------------- Jen, Charlotte 7 & Kate 3
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 9:26pm
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I don't think so, I have a few friends who don't have children and go on about how National will give them more money to have to spend (as they are in higher tax brackets). So I go on about the privatisation of everything (they don't have health insurance, and forget about that), making the lower incomes poorer, selling off everything Labour has brought back in the past few years. As much as I like my money being mine I still feel that we (as a country) need to do more for those that are working on a low income. Even my dad who was on over $100K a year was a Labour supporter due to them helping out the "little people". ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 9:42pm
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ive always supported the greens however im really NOT impressed with them at the moment and do very much enjoy my showers also theres no way i could wash my hair in 1min especially seems it takes about 40sec for the hot water to get to that end of the house.
i voted labour last time labour seem to have done alot in the last year (funny that) and the last time national were in they did put the entire health sector on the back foot but i must say with the state of the country and all theese murderers getting out with a slap on the hand i think its time for a change, or time for labour to stop being so PC and make them do hard time not holidaying with underfloor heating! we dont get anything from WWF and because i opted into kiwisaver  i cant get out of it which i think is really rediculas.
so not sure who im going to vote for. . . probably national ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">  DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 21 October 2008 at 10:18pm
I am in love with you, you eloquently say what is in my mushed up brain, lol. We are small business owners in a higher tax bracket, so National are "saying" we would be better off, but I always feel national are for the rich, the farmers and the air force... the airforce people here are real nat supporters, they hate Helen cos she took away their skyhawks. Theyahd nat perople campaining in town last week, and they avoided me, with my pram, I'm just not thier "target market" ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 22 October 2008 at 9:19am
Yup same in our household, cost DH his career. Has had a huge impact on our whole lives, made me realise how vulnerable we are to the whims of politicians. Not a position I want to be in again. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: McPloppy
Date Posted: 22 October 2008 at 12:15pm
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I would like to see how the nats handle the Police issuse in this country. Labour has brought in more police however have done nothing to retain the experienced police. The nats will bring in tasar and take a harder approach to crime and gangs...good in my opinion.
Tax cuts will be usefull to cover the costs of the increase of living. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 12:29pm
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Sorry to drag this old thread up , but im curious .
IF National wins the election , then what happens to policies etc we've had under labour , eg PPL ,or WFF etc etc ? -------------
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 12:44pm
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From what I have seen on the election campaigning both of those things will remain the same. ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: Genie
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 1:00pm
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I hope they will stay the same, but I just don't trust that they would. -------------
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Posted By: kathyandbub
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 3:03pm
| im going to vote nz first i really like there policys. though this is my first time voting and i dont really get into poltics much. though i know our mp has to change we have steve chadwhich and shes such a dick (for lack of a better word). |
Posted By: Natalie_G
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 3:45pm
As far as I know National will keep them, but for how long who knows. I was going to vote National until their tax plan came out, now I am going through Labour and Nationals policies to find out what will be best for my family. So still undecided. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  
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Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 4:54pm
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I think im going to have to look through their policies too Dagster ... -------------
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Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 5:35pm
national are keeping the PPL & WFF i think they are going to increase payments to match expence and inflation rates same with the DPB and benefits etc. ill make it no secret im voting for national. i was always a helen supporter but i think shes WAY too soft and isnt really doing much good in the big picture eg: crims need hard time not cushy time shes been fantastic in her health policies but . . . i think its time for a change, way to much crime etc going on and i dont want my kids growing up in a country like that. and also she wont give my aunt residancy! even tho she used to live here 30yrs ago and even worked for the government, her husband died when they lived in the UK and she has no kids or family outside nz, all her familys here and shes a millionare (not kiddin) but aparently shes too old! so its personal------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 5:56pm
So does that mean people on benefits will be better off under national ? Thats pretty shocking about your aunt as well ! As i've said previously I like National's harsher policies on criminals, from personal experience, a friend of mine was murdered , I like the idea that one day we can live in a country where life means life , but before making the call based entirely on that, I need to learn what will be best for my families future ...DF is voting National simply because he doesnt like Helen Clark, which really irks me , that shouldnt be the ONLY reason . -------------
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Posted By: Mum2L
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 6:24pm
In regards to WFF and PPL, Labour have been increasing the payments on a yearly basis to match the CPI index, which is an indicator of inflation. They also increase the income abatement levels on a yearly basis as well for WFF. So you are incorrect about that one. At the moment, National have said they will retain them, however they may not increase the payments based on the CPI index. They have mentioned they are policies that they alter in a couple of years. The only reason they will keep them in the mean time is to attract votes In regards to crime, just remember that the media have a lot to say in regards to how it is reported. Sentencing of criminals has not become lighter since Labour have come in. It has actually become harsher, and because of this, we have overcrowding in prisons. This is why many judges are having to use home detention as a method in sentencing, as there is not enough room in prisons. Governments can implement a wide variety of policies to help with the crime rate, but it is up to people to change their behaviour. Many young people are exposed to violent behaviour in the media, and therefore try to emulate the behaviour they observe. For many of those young people, they live in communities where people really don't give a damn, and are continuing a nasty cycle from their parents. In regards to residency, Immigration do have the right to refuse someone on age, simply because they become a burden on the health system. I don't think you should take it personal, as case managers also take into consideration other factors in the residency process. I know of my DH's family who have tried to get residency in NZ, but have been refused, as they are overweight and were told that they would be a burden on the health system. They were told to lose the weight and apply again in a year or two. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 6:38pm
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i think its wrong that someone who has millions of dollars so wont be a burden financially on this country (and would go private if she did get sick) she passed all the entry criteria medical and all.cant come and live here with all her family, she was ment to be looking after my other aunt who is terminally ill but cant so another family member has had to give up her job and sell her house because of it, yet hunderds of others who cant even speak english and dont think they should follow our governments rules are allowd in.
and were not entitled to WWF so that hacks me off ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 6:45pm
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WFF is meant for lower income people though, so if you don't qualify you must earn a far amount. (by the way we also don't qualify), I much prefer to have a government that helps out lower income families than one only interested in business owners and high income families. Making those on low incomes even poorer never does anything positive for a country and will most likely push crime rates up, and like Lady-aset said the prisons are all ready over crowded so what does national actually propose to do with crims who have longer sentences?
Also just to make it clear if you DO qualify for WFF you DO NOT get the national tax cuts, so once again they are just helping the rich get richer whilst poorer families suffer, especially as they are going to rob kiwisaver for those tax cuts. National mps are also telling farmers that they will be exempt from emission tradings -------------
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 6:47pm
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I was a labour supporter until I had a child too ... then I realised that all my ideaolgical (sp) ideas of voting labour so they could help those who need it was a tad misconstrued as they dont help me or my family!
Although I must say DH just got granted his residency .. but I dont hold labour responsible for that lol ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 7:00pm
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no we dont earn a fair amount it gos on dh's business "turnover" not the fact that its making a massive loss.
im all for supposting the lower income families tho. they should build a prison like shawshank on some island somewhere and all the bad crims with long sentances should go there and bad crims here on visas etc shouldnt be allowd to stay, or come back
(im not being harsh, we have a family member doing time and personally i think he should stay there, i also had a friend murdered 9yrs ago and her killers already out :() i opted into kiwisaver i hate it!!! and cant get out of it now either ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 7:05pm
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Yeah I'm all for locking them up and throwing the key away, or better still I would bring back capital punishment. Its just nothing new what National are saying and in actual fact in the last election the greens were calling for more prisons and tougher sentences to deal with the crims we have and then to tackle the root cause so that todays children don't become tomorrows crims. So national might be shouting about it but they probably stole it of the greens anyway. -------------
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 7:09pm
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Its not so much about the rich getting richer, its about helping those in the middle who don't get anything from anyone.
DH and I are on a middle income below 100k above 50k. While we aren't in want for anything, we do have to pay full price for everything and when we have children, we qualify for $70 from WFF even though my stopping work means we lose $500 a week. We need help too. I'm not sure that full time daycare from 3 months of age is having a good impact on the development of our children I don't have a problem supporting lower income people, but feel its our turn to get a piece of the pie IYKWIM. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 7:23pm
I cant speak for all cases, but I do know well the case of my friend. His killer took the lives of two innocent people who had every thing to live for, my friend was the light of his parents eyes, the best boyfriend my friend could ask for and a good brother and friend to many . His killer got 17 years, that is not enough , I want him , and other people who take lives away to live the rest of their lives in jail. In 17 years hia killwe DOES have a chance at some kind of life. My friend did not get that chance. But , seems until crime stops altogether (on a month of sundays) there isn't much that can be done about it , due to over crowding etc .It really sucks Perhaps they can save the home detentions for the smaller crimes, and keep the prisons for the rapists, paedophiles and murderers -------------
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 8:00pm
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The problem with the crime thing... I totally agree with you Kelly that crims like that should be locked up for good or shot... BUT.. people complain about crims getting light sentences but they also complain about taxes.. How is the govt meant to afford to put all these people away for extended sentences, create new prisons, pay for the officers to run the place, the food etc.
Fleury - DH is on pretty much 50k, if I were working it would be more obviously.. but when you have kids you make a choice. One wage and have a parent stay home to look after the child or two wages and daycare. We would be better off financially if I were working despite the cost of daycare but it's our choice that we don't believe in sending our kids to daycare full time if we can make some personal sacrifices to have one of us at home. People between $50 - $100k can afford to do without the help that people below the $50k mark really really struggle with. My aunt once told me that having kids was the poorest time in their lives. The inlaws are closing in on $200k a year, they would be far better off under a National govt but the poorest people in society would suffer more, and they don't think about the adults, they are thinking of the kids. 1/5 children in NZ are under the poverty line. National very rarely ever thinks of that end of the spectrum. |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 8:20pm
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This is a interesting thread...with some strong opinions.
I am voting for National because I believe they will make a difference in NZ. I think that Labour are so worried about being PC that they dont actually follow through on any of their promises. As far as the money thing goes...we are on one wage and it is a struggle...but like Kabekat said, we are making the sacrifice so that one of us can be home with our children. I kind of dont think people should vote based on what sort of a hand out from the government they are going to get... I don't mean to offend anyone, and we absulutely appreciate the assistance that we receive...I just don't think it is a right to expect government handouts. I totally agree with the harsher penalties for criminals. I also don't think they should be looked after as well as they are...the violent offenders anyway. If they choose to do something inhumane to another person, they shouldn't expect to be treated any better. Just my opinion ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 8:44pm
I totally agree with you on this one, unfortunately the Bill of Rights says different, its the type of society we live in. I don't necessarily agree with the life sentences for drug traffiking in some Asian countries, but given the terrible destruction drugs cause to society, I can understand where they're coming from. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Candkids
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 8:46pm
exactly my opinion too
anyway . . does anyone know what nationals stance is on nz staying nuclear free??? i certainly wont vote for anyone who wants to change that. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> DD 10.5yrs DS 6yrs DS 11mths 5 little angles watching from above |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 8:49pm
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NZ has had its nuclear free stance now for over 20 years, and we've had successive Labour/National governments since it was introduced, I can't see any government ever changing it.
Why would they? It doesn't have any impact on trade or defence relations any more. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 8:51pm
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have been doing research on this for school and found the COOLEST info
if you go to www.nzfirst.org.nz it redirects you to www.winston peters.com - of course it does! fantastic. BTw we dont get WFF anymore and can afford not to. Previously we did and we needed it desperately. now I am happy for my taxes to help those who need it. the prison thing is interesting and I think it completely depends on whether you view prison as punishiment or a rehabilitation. Also, national's education policy is a joke - we will help schools by MORE FREAKING TESTING! cause i have nothing better to do than test and mark and test and mark...oh wait a minute...how about I actually do some teaching at some p[oint rather than paper work????? |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 8:55pm
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What is your suggestion for improving education?
Do you think the current system works? What works / what doesn't? I'm interested to know, as I haven't had anything to do with the School system since I was in it, and interested to see how it will work for my own children and my nieces who are school aged. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 9:02pm
| I totally agree Liz, the national testing thing they want to bring in is soooooo stupid, the way they have worded it in their policy statement makes it sound like its terrific but its totally dumb and is just going to create more work for teachers/schools and put more pressure on the little ones at an earlier age... and I'm not even a teacher! lol |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 9:22pm
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Do they not have national testing of any kind in schools?
I did national tests in primary and intermediate school. Thinks like reading and comprehension, was a big one I remember. I think there was maths as well. That was back in the 70's and 80's under a National government then too! ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 9:37pm
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JM2CW
You can't blame the government for higher crime rates. You can blame poor education, bad upbringings and a much more permissive and lower moraled lower value of respect for others etc society. People are always going to commit crimes regardless of which party is in power. Under labour, the "life" sentance has gone from the good old ten year (out in 7) lag is used to be, National are promising more police. Labour had been saying the same thing for years. Where in the hell are they going to magic up the extras that haven't signed up in the last god knows how long? You also can't blame the labour government for the WORLDWIDE recession? Still don't trust John Key. He's just too fresh. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: Jennz
Date Posted: 31 October 2008 at 10:12pm
I've just had my say  Good old postal voting!
One thing I find really interesting is that over here we have alot of friends who are all over here on their OEs. They're all mid-late 20's, professionals earning very high incomes with plans to come back to NZ in the next few years. Absolutely all of them are not voting for National- we even know a couple who are waiting on the results of the election to decide whether they will come back to NZ or not. If National gets in then they are going to Oz
I worry that John Key is going to be our George Bush ------------- Jen, Charlotte 7 & Kate 3
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