I need advice *warning huge rant follows*
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Topic: I need advice *warning huge rant follows*
Posted By: MrsMojo
Subject: I need advice *warning huge rant follows*
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 8:41am
I’m sorry in advance for what is going to be a long rant. I am absolutely livid!
A bit of background for those that don’t know the situation: DH and I rent a nice 3 bdrm house which has a granny flat downstairs. Last year when FIL died and our granny flat was vacant we invited MIL to move in with us. I am the head tenant, my name is on the tenancy agreement which basically means nothing except if there’s any trouble it’s my responsibility and will go against my name (never been an issue before and I don’t intend to get into any trouble in future either).
My issue is that MIL throws food scraps directly onto the front lawn and when I say food scraps I don’t mean just bread I mean everything: leftover schnitzel, uneaten chinese sitrfry, meat pies, cooked vegetables, cakes and slices….everything!
I’ve asked her not to several times. I’ve told her that if she wants to put bread out to the birds then I am happy to take it down to the ducks or to the traffic island at the bottom of our street but I don’t want food scraps on the lawn (especially not meat and vegetables and other things births won’t even eat). She agreed when I asked her to stop but she continues doing it anyway and DH overheard her bitching about me to one of her kids for telling her not to throw food on the lawn. I’ve asked her a couple of time to stop putting food out and she agrees not to then ignores me and does what she wants. She is going a bit deaf but I also think she plays on it and the fact that she is DH’s mum and maybe thinks that entitles her to...... something – I don’t know.
This morning when I opened my curtains I saw what looked like a piece of polystyrene on my lawn (about the size of a 3 litre icecream container). When I was leaving for work I took a closer look and saw a large molding wedding cake in the middle of the front lawn, near the driveway where guests enter our property. If you look at the lawn directly in front of her granny flat there's about 1.5 sq metres of her food scraps lying about. 
I am ropable! I think it’s so disgusting that she throws food onto the lawn, especially the front lawn where all and sundry can see it. I think she’s inviting rodents and other pests onto our property (over the past couple of month a magpie has started hanging around and those little buggers freak me out with their sharp beaks plus I watched David Attenborough last night, did you know that common female house mice can start breeding at 5wks old and have a litter of 8-12 babies every 4 weeks for the rest of their lives ).
She may see it as harmlessly just throwing food “out for the birds” I see it as disgusting, I think she is throwing rubbish on the lawn and therefore in breach of our tenancy agreement (which states that we have to maintain the grounds and keep them tidy). And anyway, since when did birds like schnitzel and leftover chinese takeaways?
I will be having some very strong words with MIL this afternoon but I have no idea how to get through to her because she has completely ignored me every single time I have raised the issue.
She doesn’t have her own bin but she’s always been welcome to use ours, we pay for the council rubbish bags and DH puts it out every week. It appears she is only using the bin for packaging and all food goods she doesn’t want goes on the lawn (and seriously there is a lot, it’s more or less every night that she throws her food rubbish on the lawn). If she wants a compost bin there are heaps of places she can put it, I even thought about buying her one (maybe for her birthday next week) but I don’t see why I should. Also, as I’ve offered several times already, I’m more than happy to take her bread scraps to the ducks, Michaela would love that – although TBH it’s not the bread that annoys me so much, it’s all the other rubbish.
I really don’t know how to get through to her. I’ve looked through my tenancy agreement and on the DBH website to see if they have anything that relates but the closest they get is that it’s “the tenants responsibility to keep the property reasonably clean and tidy” – I guess not throwing rubbish on your front lawn is an assumed given.
How do I get it through to her? I’m so close to using a spade to pick up all the food scraps and place them on her doorstep but not only is that petty it doesn’t get rid of the problem, it just moves it.
GAH!!!!!           
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 8:51am
I am so angry about this I could cry. If it was anyone else I'd be giving them a written warning. I've even considered asking the landlord to get involved since I can't get through to MIL but I don't want to go down that track.
DH is no use at all. She doesn't listen to him either and recently whenever I say anything about his mum he accuses me of having a dig. Last night she said something about Michaela which really annoyed us both (not just what she said but the fact she said it infront of Michaela too) and DH had a go at her then later after MIL had gone back to her flat and Michaela had gone to bed I told DH to just ignore it because she doesn't actually know what she's talking about and that was considered me having a dig at his mum
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Posted By: BugTeeny
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 8:54am
Oh Jo
I don't really have any advice, I'm afraid, but I hope you can get through to her.
That's really bizarre behaviour, I have to say.
Can DH say anything to her? Especially if you've tried several times to no avail!
And where did she get a wedding cake from?!?
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 8:55am
My niece was married 3 wks ago, MIL was given most of 1-tier of the wedding cake.
ETA: must have posted about DH after you started posting but basically no, he is no help - MIL ignores everyone.
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Posted By: myfullhouse
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 9:06am
OMG! I don't really know what to say except that I feel for you.
Can you tell her that the landlord has given you a warning and that if she continues you could all be homeless and she would be on her own to find another place?
Good luck
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Posted By: WRXnKids
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 9:14am
I would totally dig it all up and put it on her doorstep that is so gross!!! I flick josh's drop mat out our backdoor onto the garden not the lawn but thats only a couple of small peices of food or bread and not where people see or stand on it.
She obviously isnt taking any note of what your asking of her so action is probably the only thing left. I like the compost idea and that is probably a nice way of going about it but if it was me id be so worked up i could only react rudely and blow my stack which isnt always helpful
Hope you find a solution to ya problem.
oohh an unhelpful solution would be to buy mice or trap ants and let them into her flat hahaha but you sound less evil than me
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Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 9:18am
OMG, that is DISGUSTING!!!!
But like the others I really have no idea what to suggest as all I can really think of is talking to her (which you've done), or getting your DH to (which you've also done).
TBH I think you're just going to have to have it out with her and very firmly tell her that you do not want her throwing food of any kind on the lawn. Firstly it is not food that birds will eat, secondly it is not healthy for your child to be outside amongst food scraps, third it WILL attract rodents, and fourth it just must look blimmin awful.
I can totally understand why you are upset, I can't understand why she would think that it is an appropriate thing to do
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Posted By: WRXnKids
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 9:20am
I would totally dig it all up and put it on her doorstep that is so gross!!! I flick josh's drop mat out our backdoor onto the garden not the lawn but thats only a couple of small peices of food or bread and not where people see or stand on it.
She obviously isnt taking any note of what your asking of her so action is probably the only thing left. I like the compost idea and that is probably a nice way of going about it but if it was me id be so worked up i could only react rudely and blow my stack which isnt always helpful
Hope you find a solution to ya problem.
oohh an unhelpful solution would be to buy mice or trap ants and let them into her flat hahaha but you sound less evil than me
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Posted By: Snappy
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 9:51am
Oh dear.
Could you get her a compost bin with worms and tell her its for her use? Or does she just like to "Feed the birds"?
And I know this is very naughty but could you type up a "pretend" letter from your landlord, which says that they have had complaints about the lawn? Then show her?
------------- Mummy to two beauties... Formerly Kaiz.
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Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 9:55am
kaiz231 wrote:
And I know this is very naughty but could you type up a "pretend" letter from your landlord, which says that they have had complaints about the lawn? Then show her?  |
That is a great idea
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Posted By: weegee
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 9:56am
Aaargh! I don't really have any advice but wanted to say you are not being unreasonable, that's filthy, and my immediate reaction was that it would attract rats etc (especially when it's this hot they're out and about looking for food more often anyway).
If you're inclined to take a deep breath and ignore it the compost bin present is a nice way of going about it (although sounds like she's the type that would then bitch that you got her a compost bin for her birthday as a way of getting at her about the food scraps... you can't win!). I suppose you can't have any pets as part of your tenancy agreement? cos a dog would clear that problem right up (or so would a pig, and they make great pets)...
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Posted By: Snappy
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 9:59am
weegee wrote:
I suppose you can't have any pets as part of your tenancy agreement? cos a dog would clear that problem right up (or so would a pig, and they make great pets)... |
Im sure a few dozen rats would too Im sure she'd love those.....
------------- Mummy to two beauties... Formerly Kaiz.
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Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 10:02am
Your'e right Jo , that is disgusting , ive never heard of throwing food scraps on the front lawn .
Put on your gloves , gather up the rubbish and go and dump it on her living room floor, ha ! tell her you don't like it on your property anymore than she likes it on her floor
As for DH , nows a good time to play the pregnancy card, break down in tears (shouldnt be too hard anyway , you prob have enough tears of frustration ) and tell him you can't take the mess on the lawns anymore and something has to be done .
As for her having a dig about Michaela, you just wait there, i'll come round and deal to the old dear *rolls up sleeves *
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Posted By: Jay_R
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 10:03am
Woah hun, thats horrible
Hmmm.... what to do..... I think first you need to have both you and DH sit down with her and try one last conversation about her not throwing food out on to the lawn. Explain all about rodents etc, and say you just can't have it happening anymore. Offer to get her a bin, and maybe a composting bin as well. Maybe use the 'grandchildren card' and say you are afraid Michaela will pick up some of the food and eat it and she could get really really sick.
If that fails, then I really think you should get your landlord involved and get a warning letter for her. Bit harsh, but sounds like some kind of shock tactics might really be needed in this case.
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Posted By: AuntieSarah
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 10:08am
Omg you poor thing, I would be ropeable as well! Like a couple of others suggested, I would just lie and say that the landlord has said something about it - hopefully with the threat of the landlord doing something she might stop it? God that's just so gross
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Posted By: jjands
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 10:12am
oh Jo that so sux and is disgusting I dunno what to suggest but I really feel for you. Why don't MIL's ever listen?!
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Posted By: FreeSpirit
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 10:12am
Buy her her very own bin and put it on the flats doorstep. Then get some rat and mouse traps and put them around the place - if she says anything tell her that because there is an available food source you now have rodents.
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Posted By: weegee
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 10:24am
Flutterby wrote:
get some rat and mouse traps and put them around the place |
Excellent idea! Put them out right where she can see them!
Gosh we're all a bit passive aggressive aren't we 
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 10:28am
weegee wrote:
Flutterby wrote:
get some rat and mouse traps and put them around the place |
Excellent idea! Put them out right where she can see them!
Gosh we're all a bit passive aggressive aren't we  |
I can't do the "passive" part ..
------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months)
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Posted By: McPloppy
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 10:59am
Do what Lynette did on desperate house wives, put a rat (male one) in her flat. Mind you she puts the food on the lawn so that won't work. Have you and DH talked to her together?
I dnon't know your entire situation but is it possible to tell her that this is a deal breaker and that she will no longer be able to live their if she continues putting food rubbish on the lawn. It is increadibly unhygenic and there mush be something that says you cannot live in rubish dump site.
Good luck...this must be a really hard situation for you.
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Posted By: McPloppy
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 11:03am
Oooh Teach Michaela to be a tidy kiwi and to tell anyone she sees littering that they are not tidy kiwis and to keep nz green LOL
I know so wrong to get the children involed.
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Posted By: M2K
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 11:06am
Ewwwww! Throw her out with rubbish...
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Posted By: M2K
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 11:11am
Its such an odd thing to do... I had to go back and read it again!!
I can see why you are at your wits end thats for sure!
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Posted By: Natalie_G
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 11:23am
OMG that is gross.
Have you suggested a compost heap??
It sounds like she doesnt like to just throw food in the bin and feed it to what ever is around.
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 11:30am
Thanks everyone who's posted advice so far, please keep it coming.
Although I seriously considered it I'm not willing to lie about the landlord or fake a letter from her, as much as I'd like to shift the blame for the hardline to someone else who has more authority than me I just can't do it. I don't want to do anything passive aggressive, I don't think the 'passive' part would work with my MIL anyway and I'm feeling much too fired up on the topic to be passive anyway.
I'm worried that just talking to her isn't going to get the desired result since I've already tried that tack.
I'm also concerned that buying a compost bin won't work because I think she's being lazy (why else would she chuck rubbish on the lawn instead of in the rubbish? She does the same with her cigarette butts, throws them onto the tinder dry lawn instead of putting them in her ashtray) it also annoys me that I should have to buy one because of her bad habits (ok I know they're not expensive) although I will offer that as an alternative.
DH and I can't talk to her together because 1) it needs to be dealt with asap and the next time DH and I will be home together is in the weekend and 2) DH and I just had an argument over me talking to her, he thinks I should just leave it and that I'm making a big deal over nothing.
What do you think about me not only talking to her but also presenting her with a written list of reasons that I don't want food on the lawn? Such as:
1. By throwing your biodegradable rubbish on our lawn you are putting us in breach of our tenancy agreement and if the landlord discovered (from the neighbours or during an impromptu visit) that there is rubbish on our lawns our tenancy could be terminated meaning we would have to find somewhere else to live.
2. It looks awful that we have rubbish lying about on our front lawn where neighbours and visitors can see it.
3. It WILL attract rodents and other pests.
4. A lot of the food being thrown out is not the sort of food that birds will eat anyway.
5. It is incredibly unhygienic.
6. It is not healthy for Michaela to be outside amongst moulding, rancid and rotting food scraps. When I’ve been out there I’ve had to stop Michaela from putting bread that she’s picked up off your lawn in her mouth. If she does pick something up and eat it she could get seriously ill.
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Posted By: .Mel
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 11:36am
Is she taking the piss? I mean seriously how old is this woman? I think she is acting quite childish and doing this because you have told her not too, and she knows that its going to get you in a right state, maybe she's looking for a fight or confrontation with you so then she can go running to your DH telling him that you are being unreasonable, which of course we all know you aren't.
Maybe you have to take the hard line, treat her as a flatmate and give her 10 days notice to right this behaviour. I'm not sure what consequence you can use though.
A stern talking to is definitely needed, and I think your DH definitely needs to step up and take some of the responsibility of telling his mother that this caveman behaviour just doesn't sit well in the 21st century. When you get home, ask her to come with you to the front lawn and clean HER mess up and put it into the bin. Maybe you could buy her a huge bin with a lid so she can dispose of the rubbish that way. Just tell her that her methods aren't acceptable.
------------- Mr Mellow (16)
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Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 11:41am
I just can't believe that she thinks it is acceptable to have Michaela outside playing amongst rotting food, who the heck thinks that is appropriate.
Jo, I think your list is great and if you present her with it either verbally or in writing she simply has no excuse to not change her behaviour. If she still refuses to use a rubbish bin like a normal human then I would ask her to leave.
Just out of interest, how far away from her door is the rubbish bin?
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 11:43am
And if none of these suggestions work .. we can always send Mel and Kelly down to "kick her arse"
------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months)
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 11:43am
The rubbish bin is outside my backdoor so it's upstairs (about 7 metres away I guess) but there's nothing to stop her putting a rubbish bag for her rubbish in the garage which is less than 2 metres from her front door.
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 11:44am
I agree you can't be passive about this because your family's health is at risk.
The problem as I see it is really DH is the one who needs to be more agressive - you need to present a united front to your MIL because ultimately the way she is carrying on it's going to come down to a choice between her living there and the family's safety.
The fact that your DH is getting grumpy at you all the time is the worst part. Honestly he needs to stop being a mummy's boy and support his wife and children.
I think you need to sit down with DH and follow the 'what if's' to their natural conclusion. Because 'if' this continues you could all be without a house, you could get ill and then it would affect your son, Michaela could get very very ill too.
If he truly understands all this then how can he think what she's doing is 'no big deal'? If he does ask *him* what the alternatives are because just ignoring it is not an option.
Also is there any chance she's starting to 'lose it' a little? It is very odd excessive behaviour.
Sorry this sounds really harsh I know but I'm just so frustrated on your behalf.
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 11:53am
Bobbie wrote:
Also is there any chance she's starting to 'lose it' a little? It is very odd excessive behaviour.
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LOL, there is a chance but I also think she did this where she used to live (when she owned her own home and later when she was living in a state house before she moved into our house). When she owned her own house she fed all the neighbourhood strays, she had 17 cats (some of them obviously very sick) coming to her house for dinner every night.
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Posted By: ellen
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 12:08pm
Wow! What an awkward situation. I agree with everything that's been said so far but it's not as simple when family is involved - especially not your own blood.
Has she always done this?
Is she losing some marbles?
If it's something she's done all her life then perhaps she's just not aware of all the hazards as nothing's probably happened to highlight it or the connection just hasn't been made.
If you can't get her to see sense and change her ways, and living apart isn't an option, then you or your hubby will have to take responsibility for cleaning up what she throws out so that it doesn't affect your family's health.
Hope you can come to a suitable compromise - I can't imaging anyone that has got all their marbles not being able to see all the consequences of what they're doing if it's logically pointed out. Good luck!
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Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 12:08pm
hehe, I just had a thought..... Google Street View
Anyone wanna see Jo's lawn???
I googled it to see if I could find some council bylaw or something which I couldn't, but did find someone who sounds perfect for your MIL
"I recently found out that throwing food scraps in the lawn is not an effective composting method. Too bad. I have a bin, but it is in the far corner of the lawn and now that I have thrown all my food scraps into the lawn, I don't want to walk through it to get to the bin. It is a vicious cycle I guess. I still throw my scraps in the lawn. Now I just aim for neighbors lawn when i throw it.
But the good news is that we have some stray cats that look hungry on our porch, so now they can eat any rodents that are attracted to the rotting food.
I hope my landlord doesn't know about this site...
Or my neighbors........"
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 12:20pm
Bahahaha, that's brilliant!
Unfortunately street view wouldn't work. The pic of our place on street view was taken early last year when we still had our flatmate living with us. Interestingly it was this time last year we started having issues with her and I had to have a big talk and eventually asked her to move out. De ja vu - maybe I'm the issue  
OK, so I think my plan of attack is that I will talk to her this afternoon and present her with the following letter (let me know what you think). Given that everyone else seems to think I'm not being unreasonable to expect her to put rubbish in the bin instead of on the lawn if she does complain to my in-laws and show them the letter they might actually agree with me.
DH is totally against me talking to her and basically told me to try and find someone else to do what she does - I have looked and found several (porse, barnados etc) and even better I'd only have to pay for about 7 wks because Michaela's about to turn 3 whereas atm I pay MIL to watch TV at our house two afternoons a week and to drop Michaela off and pick her up from kindy (in my car so she's not using any of her own petrol)  .
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Dear MIL,
RE: FOODSCRAPS ON OUR LAWNS
I’m sorry if this letter seems like overkill but I believe there may have been misunderstandings on previous occasions when I’ve asked you not to throw rubbish onto the front lawn and I’m hoping that this letter will rectify that and ensure we are both on the same page.
Possibly I haven’t explained myself well enough in the past. The reasons that I don’t want food scraps thrown onto the front lawn are:
- By throwing your biodegradable rubbish on our lawn you are putting us in breach of our tenancy agreement and if the landlord discovered (from the neighbours or during an impromptu visit*) that there is rubbish on our lawns our tenancy could be terminated meaning we would have to find somewhere else to live.
- It looks awful that we have rubbish lying about on our front lawn where neighbours and visitors can see it.
- A lot of the food being thrown out is not the sort of food that birds will eat (i.e. leftover meat, chinese takeaways etc).
- It WILL attract rodents and other pests.
- It is incredibly unhygienic.
- It is not healthy for Michaela to be outside amongst your food scraps. When I’ve been out there I’ve had to stop Michaela from putting bread that she’s picked up off your lawn in her mouth. If she does pick something up and eat it she could get seriously ill.
I am happy to help find alternatives. For eg:
1. I could buy a covered compost bin for biodegradable rubbish
2. Many fruit and uncooked vege scraps can be put over the fence for the rabbits.
3. Michaela and I can take any bread scraps to the ducks.
4. I could get you your own rubbish bin so you don’t need to come upstairs with your rubbish in the evening.
NB. Meat scraps, dairy products, chicken and fish must always be put in the rubbish bin, they cannot be composted or ‘put out for the birds’ as they can cause odours, promote disease and attract pests.
I hope this clarifies the matter for you.
With love and kisses from**
Jo
*I know that the landlord can't make an impromptu visit but MIL probably doesn't
**don't worry, I won't use that signoff
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Posted By: jjands
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 12:27pm
your brave...I think DH should grow balls and talk to his mother this isn't really your problem to be upset about and trying to sort out it's his mother! I think the letter is good but I know I'd feel a bit bad later when I calmed down and my MIL would never talk to me again...oh I should write a letter hehe just kidding
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Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 12:30pm
I think it is good, the only change I would make is not to write "I could buy" or "I could get" just put
1. A covered compost bin...
4. Your own rubbish bin.....
I don't see why you should pay for it and I don't think you should offer straight away. If the only solution is that you pay then fine, but wait and see what her response is first.
ETA: But I agree, I really think your DH should be sorting this one; it is his mother and she is upsetting you so he needs to talk to her and resolve it.
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Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 12:43pm
I just remembered a business plan DF and my friend came up with ,benefiting from the fact that im "scary " when Im mad .
Its a new phone number called 0800 DIAL A BI*CH , ring the number and hand her the phone, and i'll let her have it , i'll say everything you want to say ,but cant because shes family , then hand it to DH and I'll tell him off too
seriously tho, the letter sounds good, you sound very fair (fairer than id be )
as for DH , i agree with someone else (cant remember sorry ) who said you need to get him on the same page as you and that he needs to stand up to it, he has a family including a pregnant wife , unborn son and little girl to think of here
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 12:47pm
I'd move point 6 to become point 2 or 1.
I think you're being so nice about this. Poor you having to deal with this. If it were me and I were pregnant with an almost 3 year old I'd be a basket case.
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Posted By: McPloppy
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 12:48pm
You could always make DH to go and clean up the lawn everyday till he gets sick of it,grows some balls and speaks to his mum himself
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 1:14pm
Thanks everyone.
When I said that DH is no use I didn't mean he was opting out of confronting his mum on the issue my DH never shies away from confrontation... at all.... ever! He is IMO a wee bit too quick to anger and have a go at people (while I simmer away thinking about the matter he's long since exploded).
DH has spoken to his mum but she ignores him too, he had a go at her just this morning about the massive mess on the lawn which is one of the reasons he doesn't want me to bring it up again this afternoon.
The reason I think I should bring it up is that MIL just thinks my DH is grumpy and gets angry for no reason whatsoever and so she discounts anything he says (she's a big one for talking about people behind their backs and so I know this from what she's said to me about him). I don't anger easily and don't burst like the two of them do so I think me being the one to get angry and make a stand will be more effective iykwim.
Thanks Summerlamb and Bobbie for your input on the letter, I've made those changes.
BTW DH does have balls, that's how he managed to father both of my kids
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Posted By: HippyMama
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 1:16pm
Sorry to weigh in on this a bit late, but here are some of the thoughts I've had on the letter (which I reckon is a great idea).
* Take the "I'm sorry out at the beginning", even though she is your MIL you have nothing to apologise to her for.
* I'd suggest swapping pt 6 & pt 2 around as well, and chopping out the 'I could buy you' bits...
Good luck with resolving it, I think it's absolutely disgusting and completely disrespectful of her... (and possibly a bit looney?)
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 1:18pm
Good points, thanks Pearls.
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Posted By: HippyMama
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 1:24pm
Sending you lots of strength too for when you go to deal with this later on! We're all cheering for you 
------------- Mama to two earth walkers & two angels.
Remember, you are not managing an inconvenience; You are raising a human being. ~ Kittie Franz
Next Slingbabies! Meet - Friday 4th May !!
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Posted By: jjands
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 1:28pm
Thats good that DH has tried I thought he was just letting you take the brunt of it all, I agree with the changes to the letter too good luck Jo! Theres a whole heaps of us behind ya...can u tell
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Posted By: McPloppy
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 1:36pm
My appologies Jo...I thought DH was taking sides and could not face his mother.
I agree with your letter and the changes people have suggested. Be sure to make copies so that when she talks behind your back you have got proof you were not being nasty.
Good luck, I would not like to be in your position.
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 1:37pm
No worries, that was my fault for not explaining the full situation well enough.
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Posted By: pepsi
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 1:38pm
Wow that is really disgusting of her, and you're totally right to give her the letter so there can be no misunderstandings about the whole thing. It's there in plain writing so if she chooses to ignore it still, then she's a rotten cow! You have given a bunch of legitimate reasonable reasons.
Doesn't she also get tons of blowflies as a result too? With this weather, those things can lay their maggots so fast - why would she want that?
Go Team Jo!!
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Posted By: sweetpea
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 1:44pm
Jo,
Thats just awful what your MIL has been doing but i have read a out of the history and wonder if it is out of habit prehaps she still thinks she is still feeding all those cats. However as she is in a new situation and has been there with you all for sometime it has now got to stop. Do whatever in your power to get it through to her that it is not acceptable behaviour and that you need her to stop before her precious grand daughter gets really sick or that you and unborn bub do. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.
Thinking of you. Hope all goes well
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 1:49pm
Sorry Jo I took it the same way as McPloppy - that DH was taking sides and downplaying everything so not to upset his mum.
Hmm that makes it even *more* difficult then.
Good luck!
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 2:16pm
Holy smoke!
The teenager we have living with us at the moment is bloody messy with food scraps etc and NEVER puts anythign away and because I am SUPER mature, this is what I do... I put it all in his bed... half eaten pies, dirty dishes, the lot. he fricken hates it, but it does keep him in line.
------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P
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Posted By: kiwisj
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 2:17pm
Jeepers, Jo, that is GROSS Poor you! I think the letter is a great idea. If DH thinks you should let it lie for a bit because he's already talked to MIL, could you wait till tomorrow morning to give her the letter? I know I'd want to sort it out ASAP if it were me though. Very tough situation if she's just ignoring your wishes and telling herself that you're just being melodramatic about things
You have lots of support here Good luck!
------------- SJ
Callum - Dec 2008
Daniel - Oct 2010
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Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 2:20pm
Ooops, I took it that way too - sorry Jo (and Jo's DH)
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Posted By: SquishysMum
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 2:44pm
Pearls wrote:
Sorry to weigh in on this a bit late, but here are some of the thoughts I've had on the letter (which I reckon is a great idea).
* Take the "I'm sorry out at the beginning", even though she is your MIL you have nothing to apologise to her for.
* I'd suggest swapping pt 6 & pt 2 around as well, and chopping out the 'I could buy you' bits...
Good luck with resolving it, I think it's absolutely disgusting and completely disrespectful of her... (and possibly a bit looney?) |
Totally agree - you have nothing to apologise for! It's also not overkill. If your DH has said something this morning, perhaps starting the letter with "Further to our conversation this morning..." or similar, and signing it "Jo and (DH)" would make it seem like everyone is on the same page, if you know what I mean.
Pity she's not a stranger, it would be SO much easier to deal with... good luck!
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Posted By: jjands
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 4:18pm
fattartsrock wrote:
Holy smoke!
The teenager we have living with us at the moment is bloody messy with food scraps etc and NEVER puts anythign away and because I am SUPER mature, this is what I do... I put it all in his bed... half eaten pies, dirty dishes, the lot. he fricken hates it, but it does keep him in line. |
LMAO hahahahha
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Posted By: jjands
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 4:19pm
there u go Jo thats brilliant u could put it all in her bed. Someone remind me of that when my kids are teenagers thats gold
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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 5:52pm
Congrats on the boy!
** back to topic **
Blardy hell. Good on you for wanting to deal with it - I'd just simmer and get bitter and twisted. I hope the letter works - if not, sounds like you might need to threaten her with finding a new place to live (or you might have said that - my brain is overheated).
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Posted By: MrsH
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 6:40pm
Sorry, I haven't read the other responses but I would tell her that the food scraps attracted a couple of stray dogs (pitbulls - for effect), and we all know what dogs are like if they're in a pack (excitable and dangerous).
(Possibly not alot of strays in Tawa but worth a go).
That's so gross. What about flies?
Euch, I don't even wanna think about it.
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Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 8:06pm
I have come on here way late but I would have given her notice. Hope it all works out okay.
(btw is her mental health intact?)
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 8:07pm
Jo how did it go???
------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 11 February 2009 at 11:30pm
JoleneandJustin wrote:
Ewwwww! Throw her out with rubbish... |
ROFL, this has my vote!!
Ooo I could come over and pretend to be from the council and say I have had complaints hehehehe if that doesnt work then out with the rubbish she should go!!!
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 12 February 2009 at 1:34pm
Well I got home all ready to broach the subject with her but as it turned out while I'd been at work DH had already dealt with the issue in his own way and MIL had been made to clean up the lawn.
So after stewing and stressing about it all day I just left it for now and didn't give her the letter. I did mention it to her and told her that I thought it was unhygienic and unsafe for Michaela (which she disagreed with), I also said that birds don't even eat meat (which she also disagreed with) and then told her that we could get kicked out if the landlords saw it and she said fair enough so here's hoping that's an end to that.
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 12 February 2009 at 3:30pm
Yuck, thats revolting!
I hope after DH and you spoke to her that she wont do it again. Keep us posted?
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Posted By: sweetpea
Date Posted: 12 February 2009 at 3:38pm
Posted By: HippyMama
Date Posted: 12 February 2009 at 5:35pm
How could she disagree with birds not eating meat !? Their diet usually consists of grains, grasses and berries... even bread is not meant to be good for them as it is so highly refined etc.
Maybe you could print out some info on listeria in pregnancy for her too - ie: the main danger with rotten / overdue food!
Good that it has been resolved for now though, here's hoping it lasts.
------------- Mama to two earth walkers & two angels.
Remember, you are not managing an inconvenience; You are raising a human being. ~ Kittie Franz
Next Slingbabies! Meet - Friday 4th May !!
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Posted By: kiwisj
Date Posted: 12 February 2009 at 5:43pm
Yeah, I'm not sure how you can "disagree" with your first two points Jo, but not to worry - she doesn't have to actually agree with you as long as she does as she's told! Hope the talk from DH has done the trick and it doesn't happen again.
------------- SJ
Callum - Dec 2008
Daniel - Oct 2010
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