Ectopic pregnancy
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Topic: Ectopic pregnancy
Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Subject: Ectopic pregnancy
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 9:34am
After 4 hospital visits, 3 vaginal exams, 2 scans and numerous blood tests, I have finally been diagonised with an ectopic pregnancy. It's been so hard the last month, bleeding continually, cramping and looking after a 3 year old while studying fulltime, while having no clue on what was going on
I will be talking to a gynecologist on Monday about treatment, a drug to flush things out, feel a bit apprehensive about this, though properly because I'm not fully informed yet. Has anyone been through this? What are the side effects etc? Really I just need to talk about it since I have noone who has been through it before.
Get this, the stupid young male dr also told me the drug was used for abortions, nice, what I really wanted to hear.
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Posted By: Lexidore
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 9:45am
Hi Hun, I'm sorry I can't offer any advice but just wanted to send you some big hugs hun it must be so hard for you.
And that dr needs a good slap!
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 9:45am
Me!
I had methotrixate to "flush" my ectopic, they either use that or misoprostol. Either way I've had both for different pregnancies.
If its methotrixate, they determine how much to give you (injection in the butt) based on your height and body weight. It is a cancer drug so you can get a bit of nausea but I was given antinausea drugs to take if I needed. I think I used one or two of them, it was more just a slight blah feeling. Other than that there was no side effects immediately afterwards. However, I wasn't allowed to ttc for 6 months. Methotrixate is also messes with folic acid so if you have that just take folic acid while you are in the no ttc period to make sure you have a decent amount back in your system when/if you try again. Because its a cancer drug I got all stressed about that but its only one dose and its very effective at getting rid of the ectopic but allowing you to keep your tube. However, I wasn't allowed to be left alone for 2 weeks incase my tube ruptured anyway.
If its misoprostal - it was just a pill, I dunno if they use that for ectopics, but they do for miscarriages.. that had no side effects what so ever.
I had bloods done every couple of days and then weekly until my hcg levels returned to 0.
If you got any other questions ask away.
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 9:55am
Oh I thought I'd add, ignore the GP, they don't nessesarily know squat..
I had a registar examine me at hospital after they found out it was an ectopic and tell me she was going to send me home and "see how I go" and then she went to check with the gynae and he came in and gave me 3 options:
- do nothing and see if it aborts itself (which is rather dangerous)
- take the drugs
- surgery to remove tube
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 10:11am
Yeah it was methotrixate he mentioned. I think it's really my only option I've been at the same hcg level for nearly a month, only slightly risen then stayed stagnent, so I don't see anything happening naturally.
6 months no ttc is a blow,since It had taken ages to actually get pregnant, though really all I want now is it to be over with, maybe 6 month will give me enough time to emotionally heal as well as physically.
This intermitent cramping sucks too, though I'm guessing because I was only 5 weeks, it no real 'problem'.
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 10:31am
The time they make you wait is a little dependant on how much of it they have to give you I think. I hated having to wait but in the end it was ok and by the time that 6 months was up we were actually ready to try again.
I remember I had one evening where I got a lot of pain after having the drug which I think was it coming away from my tube. I went to ED cause it was really bad but it was all fine.
Your GP really doesn't know what hes talking about if he thinks methotrixate is used in abortions - so just ignore him and you should get someone better on monday to deal with
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 1:28pm
Thanks Kebakat, I'm sorry you had to go through this aswell, to say that it sucks is a understatement.
It was actually the dr who saw me at A & E last night that told me about the drug being used for abortions, was just a dumb thing to say, I thought drs had a little bit more sensitivity then that.
How long was it until the hcg level left your body, did you have lots of dark brown/red bleeding through out? I've been getting really bad cramps in my side and I'm bleeding a bit more, thats why I went to A & E again as the bleeding had worsen as well as the cramps.
I'm hating the waiting as well, I'm a bit scared it'll do further damage and effect my fertility even more. Though I know logically I should be ok.
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 3:06pm
I had brown spotting from when AF was due and it never went away and then got bad pain.
I don't remember exactly how long it took for my hcg levels to go to 0. From memory it was about 3 weeks. I got very sick of blood tests by then
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Posted By: Sh_az
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 10:01am
Hi there
Firstly, I am very sorry about what you are going through. I can completely relate. I have had two eptopics and just recently a miscarriage.
For my first eptopic, I was given methrotrexate. Got the injection above my backside, but just below my hip. I too was wary because it is used as a cancer drug and I hate any sort of medication being injected in me. I had to wait around for 20 mins just to check I didn't have a reaction. I didn't. Felt a little light headed, but didn't feel sick or anything like that.
However, the surgeon said I only had two wait 2-3 cycles, before trying again. I waited three to be on the safe side. So perhaps check with the gyne, it must vary between centres.
Second eptopic (same side as first). They took the "softy softy, let's just wait and see what happens". For some reason they were reluctant to take any action. I did as I was told. Outcome: my tube ruptured and I had to have it removed. On the positive side (if you can call it one) it only decreases your fertility by a few percent.
Recently, I got my period on time and as usual, except it didn't stop. Didn't feel any different, just the normal period. Went to my Dr just to be safe and because quite frankly I was over my period! She said that sometimes your body does weird things, but to be safe she did a test and it came back positive. I panicked and thought I was doomed. Its my nature to think the worst, so I thought I was having an eptopic on the otherside. It ended up being a miscarriage and nature took its course.
Now, I thought after all this drama that finally someobody would look into things and say - this is more than bad luck. Apparently not, miscarriage and eptopic are two very different things. The only advice they have for me, is do early pregnancy tests and once my level gets to 1500 I have to have a scan.
I know you probably feel lost and bewildered, but try and stay positive (easier said that done). Its more common than you think. Since my experience, I have been told about lots of people who have gone on to have normaly healthy pregnancies.
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 10:59am
Sh_az I can't believe after one etopic, they would lay back and let nature take its course!? It's hard putting your trust in drs when your so vunerable, I find it hard now, as I have had all the signs of an etopic pregnancy, even I knew deep down and only now they're taking action. Sorry for your miscarriage, it really is scary when you don't know whats going on eh,does feel isolating. 
Kebakat, my bleeding is unusual as I had a 'normal' miscarriage that lasted 7 days and then different spotting/bleeding thats been going on 30 days straight, thats when I knew something was definatley up, esp because my scans came all clear and I had no 'products of conception' left, though hcg levels that wouldn't lower.
Did you guys have anyone stay with you when you had the etopic drug? Because I don't know the real effects I might get my mum to stay, is that a good idea? Or did your partners just take a day off? Or am I just soft lol.
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 11:26am
DH was with me when I went in to finally discuss options once it was confirmed. We basically spent the day at the hospital because it took ages to be seen initially. Then got sent for bloods. Then ages waiting around in oncology to get the drugs and then I had to go back down and get anti d (cos I'm neg and DH is pos).I think its good to have someone there as a support person
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 1:55pm
My mum has taken Charlie with her to Taupo which is good and dp can take a few days off, though I won't know whats going to actually happen until the gynecologist rings me tomorrow. One thing I've learned is when it comes to hospitals everything takes time!
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 09 August 2009 at 2:24pm
It certainly does. I've spent far too much time in the last couple of years sittingin waiting rooms bored out of my skull
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 10 August 2009 at 3:16pm
Well after waiting to be called back, I rang the hospital and spoke to the dr on duty who thankfully knew who I was and she told me to rule out ectopic/molar pregnancy (seriously my hcg levels are really low for it to be a molar pregnancy?) they would like to book me in for surgery tomorrow, then they get everything out and test it, I'm guessing this will be a dnc, she explained the procedure but didn't really give it a name. So yeah at this point all I really know now is that i've got surgery tomorow at 12pm,I'm glad my partner can be with me and Charlies being looked after.
Bit confused really, I think they are too obviously. Hopefully the searing pain in my left side will go with the surgery.
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 9:44am
Well after my dnc last night, they ruled out it being a molar pregnancy and due to swelling on my left side they think the pregancy was in my left tube. They gave me Methotrexate and I was quite ill as I hadn't eaten for 12 hours because of my surgery. Though feeling way better today. They're going to do following blood tests to evaluate if I will need a further shot also. Kinda glad it's all over, and I'm really hoping to not need another injection.
Kebakat thanks for all of your advice, I'm going to keep taking folic acid. What dosage would be best to take?, I know I can't od on the stuff lol.
Sh_az how are you doing?
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 11:54am
I don't know, no one warned me about the folic acid thing. It was just something DH and I discovered after we found out Jared had spina bifida and DH decided to research it. I'd say the standard 8000mcg would be fine.
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 4:16pm
Kinda makes me wonder what other side effects there maybe. I'm sorry to here your bub had spina bifida, life throws some cruel blows.
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Posted By: Sh_az
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 8:11am
Glad the surgery is all over for you. I'm doing fine now. But I will always be apprehensive now when I get pregnant, which sadly takes some of the excitement away.
I was told not to take folic acid after the methrotrexate injection too. I just had to wait until by levels were back to 0 and then I was good to go again.
I got my folic prescription from by GP. Cheaper than buying at the supemarket or health care place. I think it was $3. The dosage on little tablet bottle is 0.8MG, which is the daily requirement.
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 13 August 2009 at 9:58am
Sh_az, you were told not to take folic acid after the methrotrexate? Did they tell you the reason why?
I feel rotten today, the nausea has finally got me. Home alone too, so a bit nervous. I've got another bloodtest tomorrow, really hoping there has been some decrease in my hcg levels.
Talked to Charlie on the phone last night and he asked to come home, poor thing, I really want him home but I'm just not physically or mentally up to it. He's a very full on boy at the best of times!
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Posted By: Sh_az
Date Posted: 15 August 2009 at 5:41pm
Yeah I was told to stop taking them, until my HCG levels went back to zip. Sorry for the life of me I can't remember why. Not much help am I!
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Posted By: Krissie
Date Posted: 15 August 2009 at 5:58pm
Hey IspyCharlie,
I'm so sorry for what you have been through, i know how you feel though. I had an ectopic a few months back, and they just kept looking at my hcg levels and waiting, untill on the 8th of June my tube ruptured and i had to have emergency surgery.
Even though i lost my tube, i somehow managed to concieve again on my very next O date?? Wasn't supposed to even be bd'ing but when your down you do what you can to feel normal i guess. I didn't have any drugs for it though, just the surgery, and my hcg levels dropped back to normal in about 7 days.
I just wanted to pop in here and give you some hope for the future. I was terrified that i'd not be able to concieve again, and it was really bringing me down, But here i am 10 weeks after surgery and i'm just over 8 weeks pregnant!
A bit of a shock to us all, even my gp, but this wee peanut is our miricle baby.
Take care of yourself, and try to keep your chin up!
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 16 August 2009 at 9:39am
Thanks Krissie, I want to feel normal again too and having a regular sex life makes things semi normal again,so i know what you mean.Though I have to wait till things settle down to even begin to start thinking of it lol. I've had so many emotions of being insanely clucky,sad, and worrying that I won't be able to concieve, OR the possibility of having another ectopic because of damage to one of my tubes. Though storys like yours make me realise I'm lucky I've kept both tubes! Congrats on your pregnancy, I was due in March 2006 with ds, time flys!
Sh_az the ectopic drug depletes folic acid which is responable for generating embroynic cells and taking folic acid could effect the drugs effectiveness, thanks google lol. I think I'm going to start taking folic acid next month, to up my stores again.
Well my blood test on Friday showed my hcg had dropped to 81, so I think my bodys slowly getting back to normal 
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 16 August 2009 at 9:42am
I was thinking we really need a thread for ttc after an ectopic, a nice little support group, or in my case waiting to ttc after an ectopic lol.
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 16 August 2009 at 10:27am
ttc after an ectopic is worrying stuff.. but you can get a scan at 6 weeks to find out if its viable or an ectopic but getting through til then is stressful
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 16 August 2009 at 10:49am
Yeah, or maybe a combined support thread for, -
*ttc after a pregnancy loss
* the scary first few months when we are pregnant again and beyond etc
I can't speak for others, but it certainly makes me feel better being able to talk about things like ttc again and all the emotions that will come when I do try again. Instead of chewing my partners ears off lol.
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Posted By: Brilee
Date Posted: 19 August 2009 at 4:01pm
I just wanted to send you my love,
I had a molar pregnancy in february it was horible and hard to get thourough but it does get easier.
Take care
Brie
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 20 August 2009 at 9:57am
Thanks Brie, a big hug to you too , I'm sorry you had to go through a molar pregnancy, so cruel x
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Posted By: buzzydaisy
Date Posted: 31 August 2009 at 8:50pm
I went through an ectopic in June 08 and managed to get a BFP after 1 cycle. The Dr had told us to wait 1 cycle.
I MCed that one in Nov 08 and then had a chemical Pregnancy on Jan 09.
I have another BFP, but am so scared. I am trying to stay level headed and stress free but any little twinge gets me worried.
I am having Beta HCGs done to check my levels are rising.
Man I so hope this one is in the right place.
We have been TTC for 4 years now.
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 01 September 2009 at 9:38am
I been told various things to wait 3 months, to 1-2 cycles to try again, though I have decided to try again in October, which I am hanging out for!
Buzzydaisy, did you get any treatment with your ectopic? I'm a bit scared of falling pregnant now and miscarrying because it was too soon,or bub having a defect because of the mextroate shot I had.
I can sympathise on ttc taking forever, and I really hope everything goes well for you and bubs is all nice and cosy, and in the right place!
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Posted By: buzzydaisy
Date Posted: 01 September 2009 at 6:50pm
I had metotrexate as well, cant help but think there was not enough follow up to check things out afterwards. I fret ever time I get my BFP.
Any little niggle gets me so stressed.
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 02 September 2009 at 8:33am
Yeah, I know I'll be exactly the same with my next pregnancy, though each pregnancy is different and we have both had successful pregnancies! 
One thing I have had from the hospital is a few drs/nurses following me up, which makes me feel better and I have another Gyne appt. this month. Though they weren't 100% certain on what was happening, and I had to go back numerous times before I got the mext. shot, which worked and my hcg levels dropped really quickly thankfully.
Have you tried rescue remedy buzzydaisy? That helped me with my anxiety.
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Posted By: buzzydaisy
Date Posted: 02 September 2009 at 5:28pm
Someone suggested rescue remedy to me the other day but, it has alcohol in it and said it wouldn't be good for pregnancy. Dont know if that ammount would do any harm but they dismissed it so I didn't try.
I just want to know my tubes arent blocked, I only have one good ovary and I really hope the way was clear for that little eggy.
BETA HCG results from this week come back tomorrow arvo so that will help set my heart at rest or cause more heartache.
Will try to lax back till then.
We tried after one cycle with my ectopic and got a BFP. Lots of people kept telling me that apparently you are really fertile after an ectopic. All the people I know who have had them have been UTD straight away too. So thats a bit of hope
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 03 September 2009 at 9:02am
Thanks buzzydaisy, hope is all I have at the moment! I'm a bit worried that I may have blocked tubes as well 
Apparently rescue remedy is o.k during pregnancy, as you only take four drops at a time, though your right it does have alcohol in it.
Here's to a nice big rise in your hcg levels!!!
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Posted By: kebakat
Date Posted: 03 September 2009 at 11:21am
Rescue remedy is fine in pregnancy.
We were told to wait 6 months after having methotrexate and we did but then had a spina bifida baby. No one will ever know if its just a hell of a coincidence or if its related. Makes me wonder though what Jared might have been like if we had waited even longer or would he have been even worse if we had ttc earlier Its good at messing with your mind I tell ya!
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 9:04am
When did you start taking folic acid with Jared, Kebakat? If you don't mind me asking.
I could only imagen the questions your've been through... I think I properly over analyse everything as a way of processing things, so I can try and get over it. Though I agree, it can be one big headf**k, to be blunt!
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Posted By: ISpyCharlie
Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 9:08am
P.s We used to live in Palmy for 3 years, and I have to say, I miss the place!
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