Immunisation Debate - both sides
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Topic: Immunisation Debate - both sides
Posted By: surfergirl
Subject: Immunisation Debate - both sides
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 10:04am
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Hello Ladies, I wonder if people could please post infromation on where they found the info they used to help them make a decision on immunizing or not. (As you'll be able to see from my ticker) I do not yet have a baby, but would like to make and informed decision about which if any 'jabs' I might give our baby. I figure I'd better do this reading now, while she's still tucked up inside me and I have some time for reasoned debate/reading. I see from another thread that lots of people have done lots of reading and I'd really appreciate being directed to some helpful sources. I would like to read both sides of the debate, so please post your links/advice on book titles regardless on your POV. Many thanks in advance. ------------- http://www.alterna-tickers.com"> 
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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 10:11am
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http://www.moh.govt.nz/immunisation - MOH Immunisation Home Page
http://www.immune.org.nz/ - Immunisation Advisory Centre http://www.ias.org.nz/ - Immunisation Awareness Society I find all these ones interesting reading. I like the IAC one though as you can also access the health professionals site. -------------  
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 10:22am
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I did all the research first & did not enter lightly into my decision.
It came down to one decision for me, could I live with myself it my child got sick, died, or disabled because I chose not to get the standard immunisations. The more that have been immunised the better chance we have of wiping these diseases out, not just for our kids but for there kids also. I know a lot choose not to & all have there own reasons, you can not protect your child from every disease but the ones you can that may effect there quality of life you should. |
Posted By: ajmmum
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 11:31am
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I did most of my research from primary and secondary sources while I had access to the university databases (was doing my law degree but that didnt stop me thinking haha)
For a very anti vaccination view that is backed up by government data then http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/_bpost_1598/Whooping_cough_lies,_ad_infinitum - here Also there is a good summary of vaccines in NZ and pros and againsts in A guide to child health by Michaela Glocker, Wolfgang Goebel, et al. And the ministry of health has good raw data that you can draw your own conclusions from. (If you can find it, it can be hard to track down in their website maze) Good luck - it's a big decision. Jazzy - the debate is raging in another thread over vaccination - I think what surfergirl is looking for are resources, not opinions. Jeez that sounded harsh, I didnt mean it badly, just that I don't want to see a request for resources turn into a secondary debate when there is one already running hot  ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 12:08pm
| kmasonnz, just giving my option & reasons for doing it. |
Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 12:32pm
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Hilary Butler has written some very informative books on the subject. It is NZ based as well. She will send them to you at no cost (not even postage) Might want to make a small donation though if you find them useful.
http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/books Also you can request information and statistics from the MOH. If you state that this is an official information request they have to reply within twenty days. You can also find quite abit of info at forums.beyondvaccination.com Hope this helps :) ------------- 
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 1:39pm
Ditto - and I think if you have access to such databases it is the best way to get informed and make your own decisions... rather than reading biased views that other people have formulated... ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
kmasonnz wrote:Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 2:29pm
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Google scholar can also be quite informative http://scholar.google.com
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Posted By: LittleBug
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 5:23pm
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Agree with Freckle and Kellie, if you have access to any journal databases then these are probably the most reliable sources of information (depending on who sponsored the studies as well - drug companies etc. may have had a different agenda), and most detailed. Otherwise you can access a limited number of articles through Google Scholar, most of the time. ------------- Chloe (4 years) and Oliver (3 years). |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 07 September 2009 at 9:48pm
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The government information is normally really good but you just have to kind of read between the lines a bit, so ignore the pic of the sick kids and the "protect your child" type slogans and just read the actual information. And also look at it really in depth, sometimes they switch between real numbers and percentages which can make things seem worse than they are. 90% of those affected will be hospitalised, sounds bad but if only 10 people catch it then 90% isn't really that bad but sounds more scary than 9 people hospitalised. Also look at the small print as hospitalised, admitted to hospital, serious cases etc are normally clarified in the small print and often the criteria isn't as bad as it first sounds.
There are a couple of books that IAS recommend (peanut has put a link to their website). I read an awesome book but I can't for the live of me remember the name, wish I could cos I would quite like to buy my own copy. We got a lot of info off of a doctor who my Dh knows who use to do research type work in Europe and then changed sides and became a homeopathic doc. You can also ask your GP for some info and depending on your doc you might get an unbiased opinion but do just bear in mind that they get paid for each vaccination and I also think (but not 100% sure on this) that they are not allowed to bag the vaccination programme and also they are not always that up to date with things, they need to know a lot to do their jobs and vaccines are only one small area of it. Searching the actual diseases is always a good thing to do as well, 1 it tells you what the diseases are all about and 2 the information is often separate from the vaccination debate so you get less biased info presented (normally there is at least one sentence mentioning vaccinations being available but it's not normally the main agenda of the info). This is the world health organisation page for NZ you can look up every country, Check out the united states, they have very high vaccine levels (and a - means they have no data, not no cases, there is a 0 if no reported cases). You should have a look at Japan as well! http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/countryprofileresult.cfm?C='nzl' This site can be a bit out there but I like the graphs http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html ------------- 
 
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Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 2:20pm
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I agree about researching the actual diseases - it's funny but they often get overlooked for what they really are.
I don't have our info anymore, was left at the hospital last time we were admitted by accident, but most of it was quite recent research that the paeds printed from online medical journals etc so you prob wouldn't be able to access it anyway. Other than that I just googled (obviously check the source!) and looked up the MOH website etc. |
Posted By: Georgiegirl
Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 2:54pm
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I've been reading up on Immunisations... and have come to the conclusion that.... assuming I am able to Breast feed and that I will have baby at home with me, rather than in a day care environment... I choose not to go through the standard process of immunisations..... however I plan to assess the dieases that my baby is more likely to be at risk from.... and if there is enough evidence to support the dieases vaccination.... thats when I'll go down the path!
I am mostly concerned about vaccinating a baby at such a young age that I do not know baby's health weaknesses.... after all the reading I have done.... I suspect alot of SID's is actually a Vaccination sympton. ------------- http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/279456"> 
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Posted By: Georgiegirl
Date Posted: 08 September 2009 at 2:56pm
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Oh the book I found most informative is "Just a little Prick" By Hillary Butler. ------------- http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/279456">
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Posted By: Katherine
Date Posted: 10 September 2009 at 10:57am
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Issue 5 of OHbaby! Magazine has an article on both sides of the story, from the perspective of two mums, one pro, one against. You can buy Issue 5 http://www.ohbaby.co.nz/Store/Products.aspx?catID=56 - here if you've missed it. :) |