reflux symptoms?
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Topic: reflux symptoms?
Posted By: mummymonster
Subject: reflux symptoms?
Date Posted: 18 September 2009 at 8:50am
Since about 6wks DS has been an unhappy bubby. He has good days  but too many bad days 
I'm now starting to wonder if it's reflux, but don't actualy know what symptoms I'd be looking for. When he's upset, his cry is really high pitched, want's to feed, but squirms/crys/comes off. The squirming contintues as he cries and cries and he waves his little arms around, and scrunches up his legs like it's tummy pain. He's a bit spilly, but wouldn't say it was that bad. Only thing that seems to console him (& that doesn't always work) is a dummy.
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 18 September 2009 at 9:08am
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Have you checked out the reflux website? I think its www.cryingoverspiltmilk.co.nz and it tells you what to look for. Silent reflux doesn't have much spilling.
Does he arch? Thats a fairly classic symptom of reflux coz otherwise you may be looking at colic. Good luck hun x -------------   
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Posted By: monikah
Date Posted: 18 September 2009 at 9:08am
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sounds like what mack had. was very spilly but happy enough then 6 weeks came along and the high pitch scream that comes with it is ear piercing and unbeleivible. cant be compared to anythng else at all. try cryingoverspiltmilk.co.nz as its got all the symptoms and stuff on it then take him to the doctor. is he formula or BF. mack got so bad he can only be on thickened formula and meds to reduce his stomach acid but hopefully sitting him up a bit more and elevating his bed might be enough ------------- 
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Posted By: mummymonster
Date Posted: 19 September 2009 at 10:42am
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He's BF.
I've had a look at the list of symptoms on the cryingoverspiltmilk site and I'm even more confused than before. It's not colic if it occurs at random times of the day, and for approx same amount of time each day - which would mean it wasn't colic as it happens at random times throughout day/night, although other symptoms he has (hard to settle. falls asleep then wakes crying, screams and draws legs up) If we can get him reasonably settled, he might lie in the bassinet grumbling for ages before either falling asleep or working himself up to a cry/scream - which apparently also means it's not colic. On the list of reflux symptoms puts spilling at the top of the list. He's not that spilly (i don't think, though I have no comparison). He'll spill a little when being burbed, and a few times it's quite a lot. Sometimes he'll spill a bit when lying in his babygym after a feed. Other posts say they can tell baby's got milk swishing around in the throat, don't know how they can tell that but DS doesn't appear to. Last night between about 5 & 7 he kept almost sleeping, then waking up a few minutes later screaming in pain. Heartbreaking! I swear his little face said 'i'm so tired, why can't i just sleep, it hurts'. Then we gave him some gripe water, and a bath, he wasn't that hard to settle after that. I feel a bit bad about giving him gripe water, as I've heard it's high in salt/sugar, but it seems to help. I wonder if I can just keep giving it to him every day? |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 19 September 2009 at 11:00am
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Best take him to the docs. Silent reflux is quite common which is where there isn't much spilling. Jake hardly ever spilled but he needed a prescription to help him. -------------
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 19 September 2009 at 12:31pm
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Definitely talk through it with your GP - reflux seems to be quite common and can usually be well managed. Even if it isn't reflux it will be good for your peace of mind to talk through it with someone who understands. Hope it settles for you soon - it is very hard when you have an unsettled baby...many of us can totally sympathise.
If you don't have a good GP, maybe even try visiting a plunket family centre so they can observe him and see what they think. Our local family centre was a life saver for me when my first daughter was so very unsettled. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: KitKat
Date Posted: 19 September 2009 at 4:26pm
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Wierd- I wrote a big long post but its gone... ???
I think it sounds exactly like reflux to me..... and colic- one seems to cause, or contribute to the other IMO/experience. And it doesnt always happen at the same time of day.... It didnt with Locks. Apparently its trapped wind in the bowel, which causes pain... and with an under developed wee system- it hurts. I found w Locks- he would be swallowing air when he had the reflux, or was upset (ussually when he was refluxy), which would end up lower down the tract.... no matter how much burping we seemed to do. I heard that the pain from the trapped air can trigger cramp type pains- which is why they kinda contort themselves and scream so wildly- this is one deff of colic anyways. So if the symptoms all appeared at once- colic and reflux are prob agrivating each other iykwim. BIG hugs to you- it is so hard. Esp on so little sleep- do you have good support?? Have you done the raising the cot 30deg angle, keeping him upright as much as poss etc?? And try eliminating certain foods from your diet??? Eg- dairy, eggs, brassicas, beans etc ------------- 
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Posted By: KitKat
Date Posted: 19 September 2009 at 4:27pm
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Duh- I wrote it in another similar thread- silly me. I see you posted there too.
I will find a website for foods to avoid for ya. another thing to try is taking probiotics- for you- not bubs. -------------
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Posted By: KitKat
Date Posted: 19 September 2009 at 4:39pm
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This site is aimed at an adult diet- however all will be transfreable- ie- what you eat will come through the milk...
http://heartburn.about.com/cs/dietfood/a/heartburnfoods3.htm - Site 1 This one is interesting- take or leave what info you like I think- It states that BM is hypoallergenic which isnt strictly true- but hey- there are some great tips there anyways. http://www.livingwithreflux.org/breastfeeding_and_feflux.html - Site 2 And last but not least: from http://infantrefluxdisease.com/infant_acid_reflux/help-infant-reflux.php - here Vegetables (due to high acid or belching) * Broccoli * Green Peppers * Cabbage * Brussel Sprouts * Cauliflower * Tomato * Tomato Juice * Corn * Cucumber * Onions * Garlic * Turnips * Rhubarb * Kale Fruits (due to high acid or lots of fiber and seeds) * Apple (especially peels) * Bananas (can cause constipation) * Citrus fruits * Figs * Coconut Beverages * Milk (lactose intolerance can provoke reflux in some people) * Coffee (even decaffeinated) * Tea * Carbonated Beverages * Caffeinated Beverages Starches * Beans (gas producing) * Oats (rolled oats OK) * Tofu (avoid large quantities) * Barley ( OK if perled barley is cooked 10-15 min) Miscellaneous * Fatty or Fried Foods (fats take longer to digest) * Meat with connective tissue/gristle (take longer to digest) * Chili Powder * Vinegars * Chocolate * Molasses * Peppermint/Spearmint (Wintergreen is unrelated) * Honey * Caffeine * Foods with "air" such as fluffy baked goods, Meringues. * Swallowing air by sucking on hard candies or drinking from straws * Rye Seeds * Meat Extracts * Black Pepper (White pepper is OK) * Creamy Foods/Gravies (High fat content) * Gooey Pastries (High fat content) * Simple Sugar Foods * Excessive Fiber (increase very gradually as tolerated) * Pectin * High Energy Foods (digest slowly) * MCT Oil (medium chain triglycerides, digest slowly) * Guargum (thickener, digests slowly) -------------
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Posted By: BarbieA
Date Posted: 19 September 2009 at 5:25pm
| Hi mums - I have four daughters - all in their late 20's and two grand children. i find this thread really interesting and I can only imagine how stressful have an unwell baby is. the only thing that strikes me here is the timing of the onset of the reflux in your babies. What changed at the time it started. What was different or what was given to the babies at this time. Babies don't just go from healthy and happy to unwell and distressed for no reason. |
Posted By: KitKat
Date Posted: 20 September 2009 at 5:15pm
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Babies change daily. They grow, develop, change, and deffinately go from happy to distressed in my experience. -------------
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Posted By: mummymonster
Date Posted: 21 September 2009 at 4:14pm
We raised his bassinet last night. Probably only by about 15 deg. Little squirmy mite kept falling down and I'm worried that he'll end up under the covers - which I kept moving down each time I checked him. One time I found him lying at an angle across the bed which has never happened before. I start with his feet at the end of the bassinet, with the covers only up to his chest, but as he squirms and cries he lifts his knees up and ends up shorter  Would hate to imagin what would happen if I had it on 30 deg.
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KitKat wrote:Posted By: KitKat
Date Posted: 22 September 2009 at 9:29am
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hmm- Locks used to squirm down, first few nights- but he doesnt anymore.... who knows why?? we dont use a safety sleep.
Ive never measured the angle we have, but its pretty reasonable- apparently 30 deg is the magic number. any kind of angle is beneficial though I guess so maybe keep it small- youre just using gravity to help keep things down (even though you may not see spilling, its possibly coming up the throat and being swallowed back down). -------------
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