Poor Sleep Support Thread
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Topic: Poor Sleep Support Thread
Posted By: mollycat
Subject: Poor Sleep Support Thread
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 8:57am
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I apologise that I didn't search to see if there was an existing topic but I thought I might start a thread for those of us struggling with bubbas that sleep poorly. I know there are at least 2 of us in the August 09 thread (FionaS - I'm talking about you!).
I'm getting frustrated hearing about how everyone else's bubba sleeps like a little dream at night or only gets up once or twice during the night to feed and then peacefully drifts back to sleep. I know Ryan is only little and that him waking up a lot is quite normal but it would be nice to hear from others on here. Also - this a good way to vent! So...my child sleeps really well during the day and is on a relatively predictable schedule with his naps. However, each night is completely different and usually not in a good way. He's generally in bed around 9.30 but then up at 12.30, 2.30 and 5.00. Having said there, he can sometimes wake up every 45 minutes or cry like a banshee once you put him down to sleep and once we hit 5am you might as well call it quites because he ain't going back to sleep and he actually starts his day overtired and ends up taking a nap pretty much as soon as he wakes - which of course he does peacefully and sometimes for 2 hours. Where was that sleep in the middle of the night??? Please - share your stories AND if anyone has some suggestions that worked for them or some positive stories about how and when it got better for your poor sleeping bubba. ------------- http://tickers.cafemom.com"> 
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Posted By: FreeSpirit
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 9:43am
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*walks into thread with hand raised*
I'm a member of this club. At 15 months, Dear Eliza still doesn't sleep well. On a good night I'm up two or three times for 5 minutes each, on a bad night I'll be up 5 times, sometimes for an hour and a half at a time. I blame genetics - my brother and I didn't sleep through until we were two and a half. I WISH Mum had told me that before I had a baby!!!! ------------- http://www.babysfirstsite.com"> 
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Posted By: Mrs_B
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 10:02am
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I'll join although wish I didn't have too! The May Mummies are probably sick of hearing of me whinge about Corban's insomnia!
All was well until about 5 weeks old then it turned to custard he refused to sleep longer than 45mins at a time (i.e one sleep cycle) during the day so he would have three 45min-1hr naps during the day. Bath, story, feed and then bed between 6.30-7pm, can take up to 2hrs to settle then wakes between 10-11pm and between 2-3am for a feed plus numerous times in between and needs me to resettle him by rewrapping, dummy or patting his back. We spent 2 days a week at the family centre from the time he was 8 weeks old and although they couldn't solve his sleeping issues it did keep me sane (sort of!) When he was 4mths old we got referred to Mothercraft unit and it was fantastic and I had a completely different baby who slept 3hrs morning and afternoon and only woke once overnight after feeding at 10pm but alas it didn't last  however he is 10 times better than he was, he will usually have one good sleep a day now of up to 3hrs and then usually an hour nap. Nights have gone down hill again though.
I too get sick of hearing about (well jealous more like!) babies who sleep through the night from 8 weeks and mummies who says "oh now i know how you feel he woke up twice last night I'm so tired today" Ha! try getting up 6-8times a night for the last 5mths then you'll know what tired is love! okay rant over  -------------  
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 10:23am
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my middle child started sleeping thru at about 3/4 months - like his brother... i thought yay! Two months or less later it stopped. i was still having to feed him back to sleep at 14 mths old. at which point i brought a babyok and he slept thru again, but that only lasted a couple of months as well...
the point of the story tho is to let you know that even those who claim their babies sleep thru may have problems in the future! oh and i dont want to be doom and gloom but my boy at 4 yrs old is still not the best sleeper... ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 10:26am
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Yeah....if I only had to get up 2 times a night I would be ecstatic...even 3 times I would be fine with me. I think I was up and down about 20 times two nights ago. ------------- http://tickers.cafemom.com">
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 10:46am
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We have a combo of good sleep and bad sleep and it is probably too early to tell what Ashley is going to be like overeall.
Elle was a terrible day sleeper but a good night sleeper then she switched to be a great all round sleeper then she was a terrible TERRIBLE night sleeper and now she is a great sleeper again. Ashley was a 2 hourly feeder for 5 weeks then started to do 10.30 to 5am or 6am regularly. She naps great most days providing we stay home. Last night however she woke less than hourly every hour so yeah...inconsistency is her issue! ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 10:57am
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Just to add - she WAS napping great but for the last few days she's woken screaming at the 45min mark from all naps. Prior to 8 weeks she hardly ever cried but things have changed. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: FreeSpirit
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 12:18pm
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It's so hard sometimes, when you have those nights when you feel like the only one in the world up at that hour, and I think it's important that we all know there is SOMEBODY somewhere doing the exact same thing.
The bit I find hard is when people tell me that "she obviously can't self settle, you should let her cry it out". When I know she self settles just fine a couple of times a night. If she hasn't it's because she needs me. I tried CIO once, and it ended with me absolutely bawling my eyes out and E in my bed because she got so worked up. I can't do it, and I don't want too. ------------- http://www.babysfirstsite.com">
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Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 12:36pm
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Yeah - I've come to the conclusion that CIO will only work if they are doing a tired "I'm about to fall asleep" cry but need to let off a bit of steam first. If they are truly worked up then it's not going to work. I've heard both cries and with the "I'm about to fall asleep" one the will fall asleep within 5-10 minutes but with the worked up cry they can go solid for 45 minutes to an hour (bad mummy) and show no signs of stopping. I should clarify with the worked up one where Ryan has cried for a long time, we have gone in to pat/shh, give the dummy, change his nappy and give a quick cuddle - but nothing seems to work. ------------- http://tickers.cafemom.com">
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Posted By: FreeSpirit
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 12:55pm
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LOL, an hour is nothing (I don't mean that rudely I know how hard it is). E went for 3 hours with me going in and shhing her at extending intervals. She goes down to bed at night awake, self settles to sleep beautifully (bedtimes are easy), but just doesn't sleep through, I've tried dream feeds, not feeding at night, co-sleeping, Dr Christopher Green's method, Gina Fords method, the 3am Handbook method, you name it. I just think she'll be like me and sleepthrough in her own good time. ------------- http://www.babysfirstsite.com">
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Posted By: jano1
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 3:07pm
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And just when you think it's all figured out, they go and change up on you!
Mine STTN but now day sleeps have gone to the pot- hard work trying to entertain an 8 month old for most of the day. We are lucky to get anything more than a couple of short naps a day. |
Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 3:36pm
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Ahhh...I like this thread. It's just nice to have others to talk to. Well, I've gone and rearranged bubs' room - LOL thinking the feng shei might make a difference. Ha! And I'm going to sleep him on his other side tonight and I've decided to give him his bath in the morning (when he gets less stimulated by it) and his massage before bed rather than the other way round. I figure the change of schedule could throw him for a loop...but then I thought the night can't really be much worse than the other nights we've had so I'm going for it! ------------- http://tickers.cafemom.com">
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Posted By: FreeSpirit
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 4:54pm
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If you've rearranged the room, did you know that baby should never sleep next to an outside wall? Good idea bathing Ryan in the mornings - E loves her bath and plays in it for half an hour (would be longer if I let her) and it gives me a chance to drink a coffee while I watch her play. She gets all excited and helps to undress herself - it's sooo cute! ------------- http://www.babysfirstsite.com">
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Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 4:59pm
Yep - Ryan's cot is along an inside wall and not an outside wall. Wouldn't want to freeze the poor thing on a cold night  ------------- http://tickers.cafemom.com">
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 5:09pm
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At 9 months Cooper is not sleeping through the night. Wakes usually around 3 times. My blessing though is thank god he goes straight back to sleep.
I have been told waking about the same time is a habit & I should let him CIO Yeah ok, every time I do that I have to plug my ears (still in my room) & it has never worked. I did it the other night & he had rolled over & was on hands and knees, managed to get out of his wrap. I had it the other way with Alia. Absolute crap day sleeps but sleeping though the night at 8 weeks! No wonder I went back to work early to escape the days. I think that sleeping issues are a lot more common than people let on. ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com"> 
A = 01.02.04 & C = 16.01.09 & G = 30.03.12 |
Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 10:15pm
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I'm here too..but hope to be leaving this group soon...dont we all? James was a good sleeper once we got through the newborn phase (which felt terrible after getting used to toddler sleep). Anyway at 5 months my sleep througher stopped and we started the waking 4-5-6 times a night, screaming hysterically for over an hour while I rocked shshed etc. Feeding to sleep only to have him wake as soon as he was back in his own cot.
It seems to be getting better. The last 3 nights he has actually gone back to sleep straight after a feed (still taking a good 30min before I can retrieve my nipple). and only waking twice, although last night had a hairy one at 5am. I am blaming teeth, colds, earache and teeth again. We have 5 waiting to pop through so I am dosing up with Pamol before bed and waiting anxiously for these bloody teeth to come through. Tom is a great sleeper but still seems to be waking at night to come to our bed.....but generally goes to sleep there. sigh..... |
Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 10:55pm
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I think I'll have to join this thread too! Campbell is on and off with the quality of his day sleeps, but currently is good *touching wood and crossing fingers*. Night sleeps however, are not so great. For a while there, he was only waking once a night, then going back to sleep, which was great, I thought he'd simply stop waking when he'd grown out of the need to have that feed.
HOWEVER... he's now waking 3-4 times a night, he seems to co-sleeping with us in the big bed again at night, and seems to need a boob to get back to sleep at least twice an night. I'm sure it is now a sleep association thing rather than hunger!
I really don't know if I should just wait it out til he eventually is ready to start sleeping through. From the sounds of it, that could be til he's 2 years old!! So am thinking I'll have to try a no-cry way of breaking the sleep association ..... |
Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 10:58pm
| Oh, and forgot to say - those of you with bubbas who are only having 45 min day naps - there seems to be "stages" which most babies go through where they do this. Can't remember how old Campbell was when he first started doing it, but may have been around 4-5 months? Then magically started sleeping for longer by himself. Then he started doing it again a month or so ago, then stopped by himself again. He's currently being unpredictable, with 1 day of long sleeps then the next being short sleeps! |
Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 14 October 2009 at 11:22pm
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We had wake #1 tonight at 10.30pm. Not sure if that was cause his sister decided that she wanted to sleep in his cot!!
Whitewave will be intrigued to know about these no cry sleep habit breaking techniques ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com">
A = 01.02.04 & C = 16.01.09 & G = 30.03.12 |
Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 15 October 2009 at 8:08am
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I don't expect it to last but Ryan slept from 7-2 last night which is 7 hours! His previous record is 5 hours. I thought with all the changes he'd be really unsettled but he did really well. Needless to say I'll keep up with this routine but he'll probably have a sh*t night tonight LOL ------------- http://tickers.cafemom.com">
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Posted By: AuntieSarah
Date Posted: 15 October 2009 at 8:30am
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Wish I couldn't join this thread. About a month ago Stu was STTN (I had to think for several minutes to get that one ) about half the time. Now, never. Whitewave like you we were having one wake per night for a feed but now it's several, still only one feed but lots of wakes. And he's in our bed too, I love having him so close but not loving the reason he's there (not sleeping).
Last night was by far the worst for ages, I think we ended up getting four 1 hour blocks of sleep ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 15 October 2009 at 8:52am
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Oh AuntieSarah - those nights are the worst. And then you will get one good night (like we got last night) and in your sleep addled mind think that it will last....and yet it never seems to. I'm refusing to let Ryan sleep on me in our bed anymore. He can cry and then fall asleep exhausted on me while we're on the recliner in the lounge but that's it. My back was getting so sore from half sitting up in bed with him dozing on my chest. ------------- http://tickers.cafemom.com">
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Posted By: Mrs_B
Date Posted: 15 October 2009 at 8:57am
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I feel bad sharing this since we only just started this thread but.....
OMG! It's only taken 5mths and 5 days but Corban slept from 11pm - 5.45am last night without a peep! His longest stint ever! I'm amazed. I wouldn't have believed it if my boobs hadn't of told me otherwise! I'm so use to stumbling out of bed 6+ times a night (he's in his own room) still half asleep that I often can't remember feeding him... -------------
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 15 October 2009 at 9:11am
Maybe we should all start our own threads Mrs B  hope it's the start of many sleepy nights.
I dunno how many times Cooper got up, more than 3?, but I gave up at 6am this morning when he decided it was a fabulous time to be up & pinching the hell out of Mummy. ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com">
A = 01.02.04 & C = 16.01.09 & G = 30.03.12 |
Posted By: FreeSpirit
Date Posted: 15 October 2009 at 9:13am
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Mollycat, fantastic you had some luck with the new routine! You'll feel like supermum today.
Mrs_B, that's an awesome sleep. Well I had a poop night. E went down at 6.30, woke at 8, and at 10, and midnight, then at 1 or 2 (I don;t really know I couldn't focus to see the time) when she wouldn't settle so I co-slept in her room, then we slept (pretty much) until 5.30, I nearly had her back to sleep but that went to custard and we got up at 6 when DP's alarm went off. I really couldn't face doing anything at that hour so I gave her BF and put Ice Age 3 on - I'm guilty of using the TV as a distraction so I can lay with her and cuddle for an hour before we get up and have breakfast etc at 7am. ------------- http://www.babysfirstsite.com">
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Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 15 October 2009 at 10:06am
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for the poop night Flutterby. I'm sort of expecting that sort of night tonight. I rarely get two good nights in a row. ------------- http://tickers.cafemom.com">
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: 15 October 2009 at 11:43am
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I think I can add to this thread DS is now 20 months and I still have problems with him sleeping.
Most of you seem to still have littlies so this wont be applicable to you (and you might not be into it), but I have had to use CIO a few times which works well to break the habbit. Every now and then he goes back to waking in the night if he is teething or has been sick or unsettled for whatever reason. i would give him a bottle which would put him back to sleep, but he started waking more and more. CIO only lasts maybe 10 minutes and he seems to get the message and from then on he sleeps through again. I think once they are having 3 solid meals a day, there shouldn't be any reason for them to wake up to get a feed. Obviously this is a case by case basis, but I think they should be able to go all night without one. I have found a couple of times, I have had the heater on too high and he has got thirsty during the night... The first time we did CIO DS was about 10 or 11 months, so was well and truly having 3 good meals a day. I think it is just a matter of realising it is only for a 'season' and they will eventually grow out of it. It is depressing when you hear of others who have perfect sleepers.....but I just think to myself they are going to have terrible toilet trainers or teenagers
Accepting the fact you are going to have to get up in the night also helped me a bit. I made myself get to be earlier and once he was on bottles, I had them all ready to go so i wasn't fluffing around the kitchen in the middle of the night. I would also organise a wee snack for myself when I was breastfeeding cos I found myself getting hungry in the night. I also made a deal with DH that any time after 6am, he had to get up to him and look after hime until 7:30-8am-ish so I could sleep in. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: mumtooboys
Date Posted: 15 October 2009 at 2:01pm
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Hi ladies,
For those No Cry, 'gentle' ways to break sleep associations there is a thread about Elizabeth Pantley's http://www.ohbaby.co.nz/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29367&PN=1 - No Cry Sleep Solution on the board that you might want to look at. To be fair there aren't any particulars but it's an interesting read. LOL Well there is 'good' news and 'bad' news. The 'good' news is the eventually they do start sleeping better at night, though this seems to be different for every baby. The 'bad' news is, that just because they do it once, or twice or a few times doesn't mean that they won't ever regress back to 'poor' sleeping. Long story short, well shortish DS2 did a stint of doing 10+ hours at night for 3 weeks when he was 7 months old after being a 3 hourly waker/feeder except during growth spurt times when I might be up to him every hour. Unfortunately for my body, which had adjusted quite well to the extra sleep, it wasn't to last. LOL We have no idea what triggered the night waking again, I managed to night wean him again at about 11 months (gently and I think I only succeeded because he was truly ready to be night weaned) but then things got WORSE! We had 8 weeks of sheer hell (no other words to describe it) when we were getting about 5 hours of very brokensleep in every 24 hours....we were walking zombies and DP had to go out to work and we had DS1 to deal with as well. We nearly  . So one trip to the Dr and a prescription for Phenergan (sp?) later which I didn't want to touch anyway and that so not working I did the only thing I could do; I ran to the library as fast as I could and borrowed Elizabeth Pantley's No Cry Sleep Solution....saved our lives! I tweaked ONE thing by moving his bedtime forward an hour, slept 10 hours that night and he hadn't done that in nearly 6 months!
So we've had setbacks since then, they usually don't last very long and we do what we need to do to get through them. I think at the time, though all I wanted was more sleep I actually started missing the quiet time with just the two of us in the wee hours with him on the boob and me dozing (got really proficient at feeding him lying down) but accepting that it was who HE was and that it was what HE needed even if everyone else told me he didn't got me through some really rough times. It helped that I remembered that people are not meant to sleep all night without waking/stirring/getting up and I know that I have nights where I am awake and just can't sleep so not to make such a big deal about my helpless baby doing the same. If it makes anyone feel any better, though I'm sure it won't.....DS1 is 6 and we have nights with him where he wakes up in the wee hours and can't back to sleep or where we are up and down for hours with him putting him back in bed. Thankfully it's not that often, not even once a month usually but it's NORMAL. Ooh and I've also found that mums tend to lie about how well their babies are sleeping (or at least fudging the truth) because how long they sleep seems to be the yardstick with which your parenting skills are measured. That, and they are usually the ones who have 'trained' their babies to sleep from a young age and are comfortable leaving them to CIO. Ooh and one more 'plus' for the night waking, deeper sleep, often associated with STTN is often an increased risk factor for SIDS....babies are wired to wake frequently to ensure that they survive....not sure if anyone has mentioned that 'perk' before. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: kmarie
Date Posted: 15 October 2009 at 8:23pm
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Bethany slept well for a newborn until her 3mth growth spurt. Then it got to the point where she was waking so often and taking so long to get back to sleep that I was getting 1/1/2-2hrs between wakeups (which adds up to basically no sleep. Whoever said that sleep deprivation is the worst form of torture is SO right!!!!
At 6mths I was beside myself. I'd read every non-cry it out book (I was adamant we would NEVER leave our baby to cry) and we'd tryed EVERYTHING to get her sleeping. Anyway, someone on one of the forums recommended the sleepsense programme. It's an e-book and they emailed it to me. Within 3 nights (I kid you not) Bethany was sleeping 11-12hrs overnight! I couldn't believe it! The method did involve crying, but eased them into it by you being in the room with them and gradually moving further away over 9 nights. If anyone is interested in having a look at it, pm me and I can send it thru to you. Unfortunately that's not the end... she did SO well until (like you said mumtooboys) she got sick once and we got lax and it all went backwards, then she got better and we kind of sorted it but she got sick again and so the story goes. THEN she learned how to stand up in her cot... arghhhh!! So we've had to resort to CIO. I can't tell you enough how totally against any form of CIO or CC I was in the early days, it still bites to think I've had to come to it with our lil munchkin :( But, unfortunately, she is stubborn when it comes to sleep and nothing else makes any diff, believe me we tried everything. Does anyone else have probs with their baby's day sleeps? Today Bethany screamed for an hour instead of sleeping. And that's not uncommon It's also very hard to handle at the mo while feeling tired and nauseous!!! Help anyone?!------------- 
twins in heaven Oct07 Is 40:11 "He gathers the lambs in his arms and carries them close to his heart." |
Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 15 October 2009 at 9:27pm
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Mumtooboys, I have a hold on a library copy of Elizabeth Pantley's book! Can't wait til I can get my hands on it!
Kmarie, we've had that problem with day sleeps - 2 weeks ago my MIL was here for a week, helping us put a new kitchen in and wallpapering Cam's room. While it was great having her, it completely disrupted his day sleeps and he would not go sleep, and instead cry and scream until he finally fell into an exhausted sleep in my arms. Then I'd be lucky if he slept longer than 45 mins. This week, he's gone back to falling asleep in his cot by himself within about 10-15 mins most of the time, thank god! And sometimes longer than an hour. Maybe something is disrupting Bethany's sleep patterns? |
Posted By: FreeSpirit
Date Posted: 15 October 2009 at 9:49pm
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kmarie, I had huge problems with screaming at naptimes around 1, I was naughty, I just dropped a sleep so she was having one nap. So instead of 20 minutes screaming and 30 minutes napping twice a day, we now have no screaming and at least an hour (sometimes 2!!) once a day. It works. And on those days when I didn't have the energy (we all have those after being up and down all night), I just got up and organised early, out the door to run errands, and "just happen" to be driving home roughly when I think she should be ready for a nap - I only did it once a week, but it was a good break to not be thinking about and stressing over the upcoming nap. ------------- http://www.babysfirstsite.com">
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 16 October 2009 at 7:49pm
I did/do CIO with lil miss when I need to (usually after she's had a period of night feeding due to illness) and it works great, but nothing I have tried (and I have tried everything pretty much!) works on the gremlins - they turned 3 on Wed and they still sleep in my bed every single night. They've been shocking sleepers since they were born, and after extended periods of chronic illness/pain (ears  ) where they would scream and we never knew if it was pain or just temper we gave up and started putting them in with us and now...-------------  Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: Pinkygirl
Date Posted: 17 October 2009 at 12:28pm
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My DS is now 51/2 months old ad is a shocking day sleeper. I put him in his cot wait ten minutes or so of CC go in settle him wait another 10 minutes or so if he is crying go pick him up put him in his pram and ride him over a bump. Then I am lucky if i get an hours sleep
Night sleeps are a different story from around 3 months was sleeping with only one feed during the night. This all changed just before 5 months when he decided to have 2-3 feeds during the night. I am blaming it on teeth and needing solids. He is now on solids and it hasn't made a difference. All I can say is i feel much better than I did when I was getting up to him when he was a newborn. But he is good at going tback to sleep after his night feeds. I don't think there is any magical answer with babies not sleeping |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 18 October 2009 at 5:17pm
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My biggest issue at the mo is that Ashley has stopped napping when out. She used to be out the moment the car started but that stopped at 8 weeks and now I'm lucky to get 20mins out of her and hence she gets so overtired. I don't really understand why she flipped from being a great out and about sleeper to a terrible one but it is very hard! I'm trying a wrap at the mo and after a bit of effort she will go to sleep but still only does light sleep so gets overtired. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 18 October 2009 at 8:27pm
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Sleep? whats that? SOmeone mentioned that mums lie about their babies sleep. I dont know if they do it to sound good or just cos you end up having absolutely no idea how many times you got up. I have had days where I have said "James had a good night, I remember getting up at 11, 3, 4, 6 and then 7...oh,...not so good huh."
We are getting better with James. I have given up trying to share the load with DH and I just get up and shove him on the boob and then get us both back to sleep. It may not be ideal but its working, I feel better and he is actually stretching his sleeps out.....and he has popped a tooth in that time. Tom....our great sleeper.....now REFUSES to go to bed at a reasonable time and then ends up in our bed in the wee early hours....after screaming the house down and waking James....sigh.....its never ending. |
Posted By: kmarie
Date Posted: 18 October 2009 at 8:47pm
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Flutterby - from about 10mths I've had Bethany down to 1 sleep cuz I decided it wasn't worth the screaming battle twice a day. And now that it's worse I just don't know what to do! Do you think I should just sweat it out and keep doing the same? Help! -------------
twins in heaven Oct07 Is 40:11 "He gathers the lambs in his arms and carries them close to his heart." |
Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 18 October 2009 at 10:38pm
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We had 3 nights of shocking sleeps double the wake times last week. I always feed back to sleep it's far easier.
I had introduced peaches into his diet & the nights that he slept like crap were the days I'd given him the peaches. He is dairy free & I know my daughter has food intolerance issues which result in behavioural issues & bad sleeping! I have fixed her diet & now in the last 4 months we are not getting up to her in the middle of the night. In the last few weeks she's been sleeping 7-7!! if not later! So I'm looking at food as Coopers basis of not sleeping through but I think I have to suffer my lot as if I wean him I think I'll have more issues of being dairy free than while he's on BM. Fingers crossed for a good night. ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com">
A = 01.02.04 & C = 16.01.09 & G = 30.03.12 |
Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 18 October 2009 at 10:58pm
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I'll put my hand up here too.
DS was a good wee sleeper, self-settled from early on, slept through (10.30-7) at about 9 weeks. Then the teeth came at 4 months, and every month when a new one came (he has all but 2 now) we would have about 1 good week out of the month where his teeth weren't causing him grief. He is a terrible teether so we have to dose him up on Pamol and Nurofen just to get him to sleep all night. Other than teething, he sleeps really well. Ava - well what do I say. Has always been a terrible sleeper, has reflux so is constantly in pain, and won't sleep anywhere but on someone (which I refuse to do - it's not my thing). She does sleep well at night once she's down (usually 11pm, on a good night 8pm) and only wakes up once, but she is usually awake the whole day bar maybe 2 45-min naps, and on a lucky day we get a longer sleep out of her. As a result she's overtired, grumpy, wants to cluster feed (which I also refuse to do, so there's more tears) and keeps Jack up from his nap, which then makes 2 poor day-sleepers. I hate to say it, but I'm glad I'm not alone. I seriously think if Ava had been my first born, I wouldn't have had a 2nd - she's doing my head in. |
Posted By: AuntieSarah
Date Posted: 19 October 2009 at 9:42am
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Kel we are having food issues too, I find it so hard to figure out what exactly he reacts to though because he seems to have a permanent rash so it's just a matter of figuring out if it's worse or not Dairy he reacts to, and bananas, and wheat I think (just tried wheat again yesterday and face is rashier today). I think I might need to cut dairy out of my own diet because I can't figure out what else in his diet could be causing the rash.
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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 19 October 2009 at 10:39am
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well after saying that James' sleeps are better we had a shocker! Ended up in bed with us and he woke after every sleep cycle! TEETH!!!!
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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 19 October 2009 at 7:41pm
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We can officially join in here
Jake is doing 2 45 mins naps and 1 30 min nap during the day and is going to bed about 6.30pm then waking every or hour or 2 for the rest of the night. I am now having to feed him twice during the night again. Last nigth he was up from 10.30pm-1.30am and even a feed didnt put him to sleep
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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 20 October 2009 at 10:17am
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OMG, randomly we decided to swaddle him again... he only woke 3 times and has now been done for nearly 2 hours FX this keeps up!!! -------------
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Posted By: butterfly13
Date Posted: 20 October 2009 at 1:55pm
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Hi all,
Not a great place to be attracted to but nice to hear other toddlers are fed to sleep and not sleeping through! My wee joy-boy is 19 months and has never slept by 'the book' for naps or night sleeps - and after lots of reading and worry and time trying to put him to sleep in various ways I have resorted (lovingly and with mainly enjoyment!) to having the 'sidecar' arrangement (cot side off and pushed hard up against our bed) so he is effectively sleeping with us but we all have space and our own blankets. I roll into the cot to resettle him during the night as needed - 2 hourly recently as he was a bit sick or something!! and by 3am he is often snuggled on my side in my armpit so he can find 'booby' as he needs it...we have started discussions about having booby in the morning and not during the night and going to sleep with cuddles and not with booby in the mouth - but only discussions so far not action!! He makes it very clear what he prefers! Dad can put him to sleep when I am not home and has talked about doing this regularly but has irregular home times making this difficult. We also live in a small home with no spare bedrooms currently so the wee-ist has to be in our room for a while longer. I get frustrated at the regular disturbances and wish for a run of 6 hours...but don't feel right to do the CIO method and want the bedroom and bed times to be a friendly place. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 22 October 2009 at 9:18am
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I'm pleased I started this thread - it feels good to vent doesn't it?
Now i have a question - I've been putting Ryan to bed at between 7-8pm. This isn't necessarily MY idea but he manages a catnap at around4.30/5.00 and by the time he is tired it makes sense to just put him down for the night rather than wait until he's back up and then tired again. I've also found that regardless of what time I put him down 7/8/9/10 - he still wakes up around 12.30/1.00 sooooo....I figured I could at least get my early evening back for myself. However, he always seems to get up at 5am and just not want to go back to sleep - I have to kind of eek him out with the dummy until 6.45. Should I be looking at a later bed time? Or, should I just stick with this as eventually he will be sleeping longer at night and going through until 6/7 even if put down at 7pm. Suggestions? ------------- http://tickers.cafemom.com">
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Posted By: FreeSpirit
Date Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:37am
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Have you tried keeping him up (not letting him have the late nap) and putting him to bed earlier? My girl went to bed at 6pm until she was about 10months old - these days she goes to bed at 6.30. I've tried pushing bedtime back, and it actually made her wake earlier and left me with an overtired grouchalotamus. So she now sleeps 6.30 - 6 or 6.30. Then we lay in bed together and watch Hi5 so I don't get up and start the day until 7.
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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 22 October 2009 at 3:41pm
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I have no advice, I have taken a Jake led approach to bed time. He lets me know when he has had enough.
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Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 22 October 2009 at 5:14pm
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Flutterby - he used to stay up all evening until he went down and by that time he was sooooo overtired it wasn't even funny. He would claw at my chest and cry and cry and cry until he finally crashed. I couldn't even feed him he would be so upset. AND he still woke up at the same times.
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Posted By: jano1
Date Posted: 22 October 2009 at 8:17pm
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We are only just getting rid of the catnap now and she is 8 months. At his age, I made sure (and still do) that bedtime is the same time every night, regardless of what time the catnap finished. Having said that, I would get her up by 5.30 at the latest so she went to bed at 7pm.
Early waking- I have no suggestions sorry, if anyone has anything ideas for extending daytime naps feel free to pass them on. Edited for spelling and really bad grammar |
Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 24 October 2009 at 10:31pm
| Mollycat, I'd suggest making his bedtime earlier too. Campbell (at 8 and 1/2months) is going to bed at 6:30-7pm, which works well for all of us. |
Posted By: jjands
Date Posted: 25 October 2009 at 7:59pm
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I'm sorry to hear so many are having awful sleep probs-great idea to start this thread! I hope someone can help us...My baby girl is 4 months old and HATES falling asleep, she fights it screaming for ages. I've been trying and trying the CIO method but I think it's making her worse. Once she's asleep she's fine (unless the older 2 wake her up which happens alot) During the night she self settles no probs (touch wood) but all her naps and the first bedtime sleep is a nightmare it can take a hour and a half of full on screaming/crying..I cuddle her for a bit until she's sleepy but awake then when I get about a meter away from the cot she just starts screaming, even if I rock her to sleep she can be fully relaxed and then we get near the cot and she wakes up screamin but it's not just her cot it's our bed, the pusher, sometimes her capsual to. It's like she's scared of falling asleep. If anyone has any suggestions it would be great...with 3 kids and this happenin I feel like I'm going to lose the plot!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 25 October 2009 at 10:35pm
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Jjands, hate to say it, but using CIO may be making it worse. I don't have any really good advice, other than try reading some of the no-cry sleep books out there. Campbell tends to fight day sleeps sometimes, but this last week I've resigned myself to sitting on my bed and letting him fall asleep in my arms, then when he finally lets out a big sigh, it means I can gently lower him into his cot without him waking (if I try and move him before the sigh, he usually wakes up!).
Maybe if you find some way (any way, even if its feeding to sleep), it'll let her get some sleep, and save your sanity! |
Posted By: jjands
Date Posted: 26 October 2009 at 11:51am
| Thanks whitewave I think I will give up on CIO it's breaking my heart! Maybe she needs reassurance that I'm here so I'll try what you suggested :) |
Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 12:55pm
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Urgh we're going through a nighttime sleep problem here too...Clodagh has strted waking every 2 hours for feeding and /or comforting during the night! Any ideas why this has happened? We started solids a few weeks ago, usually a little around dinnertime, and have increased it a little in case she's hungry but this doesn't seem to make a difference to the night waking. Also, no way no how is she going down before 9.30pm. That is *her* bedtime. No matter what we do!! -------------   http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: james
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 1:11pm
ladies i feel so bad for you all. James has only just started sleeping thur in the last year and a half and i tried everything hes now 4 and a half. Big hugs guys hang in there  ------------- <a href="http://lilypie.com"><img src="http://b4.lilypie.com/nLJ5p13.png" alt="Lilypie 4th Birthday Ticker" border="0" /></a> |
Posted By: jjands
Date Posted: 27 October 2009 at 8:44pm
| Emmecat we're having that problem to! |
Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 28 October 2009 at 7:37am
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Emmecat, if she's waking more frequently since the introduction of solids maybe those solids are upsetting her tum? Try giving her really plain bland foods for a few days & see if it improves.
I want to know what the FREAKEN MIRACLE CURE IS....I've had enough! I want my sleep back! I've tried leaving him to CIO but he gets out of his wrap & now stands in the cot. Told my DH that he needs to get the kids bedrooms finished so we can get rid of them. I'm hoping that this will help! ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 28 October 2009 at 1:21pm
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7pm till 4.30am!!! Wahoo!!!!! Please please please do it again.!!!!
Day sleeps are coming right and he had 2 massive ones yesterday so I do believe that is the key. I have taken to any means possible for day sleeps. The buggy is a hit...he will sleep for up to 3 hours in it!!!! Yes, I have thought about that for night sleeps.....especially tempting when he wakes at 4.30! |
Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 28 October 2009 at 2:23pm
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We had 4 great nights in a row...but then last night was not so great. Think it was growth spurt as he had 3 huge feeds at 12.30/3.30 & 5.30 - even latching onto my arm before I'd had a chance to get the boob out. Fingers crossed he goes back to his good sleeps after this little spurt plays out. ------------- http://tickers.cafemom.com">
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Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 28 October 2009 at 10:06pm
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Emmecat, if the problem isn't the solids, another possibility is that Clodagh is starting to teethe?
I think that's when Campbell's sleeping went downhill. His day sleeps are driving me mad, he still won't fall asleep by himself, even though he used to. It means he only sleeps for about 45 mins, 1 hour at the very most. Two weeks of this seems to be making him permanently tired, and gets grizzly easily. Really have to get him sleeping well again! |
Posted By: jano1
Date Posted: 29 October 2009 at 8:46am
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Jen we are having the same problems too. I think we are in week 3 or 4 of crap day sleeps and I have a grizzly grizzly baby most afternoons. There is an "8 month sleep regression"- do a google search and there is a pile of info. That's my excuse at the moment! ------------- http://www.thebump.com/?utm_source=ticker&utm_medium=UBB&utm_campaign=tickers"> |
Posted By: tibby
Date Posted: 29 October 2009 at 2:00pm
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Hi all, seems l need to join you guys here. I'm sure the May 09 mummies are fed up of my sleep problems now lol.
Oliver is 6 months and has never been a good day sleeper, 3-4 25 min sleeps max. Nights were ok til about 4.5 months when he started waking 1.5-2 hrly overnight on the odd night. This increased over time and the last 5 nights he has woken 1-2 hrly! We do CC for his day sleeps and bedtime so he knows how to get himself to sleep. He isn't really hungry when he wakes but is really difficult to settle. He has been ill the last couple of days but tonight am going to try CC and weaning of the night feeds. I am currently a walking zombie! |
Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 29 October 2009 at 7:05pm
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Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 29 October 2009 at 9:25pm
| Jane, thank you so much for that info about the 8 month sleep regression! Here's me thinking I'd done something to cause Cam's sleep issues, and it turns out to be normal! Good to know that even if it lasts for a few more weeks, it won't last forever! |
Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 12:47pm
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Grrr - Ryan has been doing really really good nights intersperesed with horrific, horrendous, absolutely mind blowingly bad nights. Can I just have all good nights please??
4 nights this week he slept for 7 hours the first sleep and then varying hours until wake up time at 6.45/7.00. 3 nights this week he's hardly slept at all getting up/crying every 30 minutes or so. I was about to blow my top last night!! ------------- http://tickers.cafemom.com">
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Posted By: jano1
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 2:08pm
| Jen once I did some reading it explained a lot about Ava's sleeping at the mo. I still feel like I'm losing the plot during the day so I really hope it's just a phase. Hope Cam comes right soon too! |
Posted By: Mrs_B
Date Posted: 02 November 2009 at 10:04am
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Aaaargh! I'm so over it! Why the hell won't my child sleep!!?? He seems from to be going from bad to worse.
We had that one random good night a few weeks back when he slept from 11pm-5.45am (he longest stint ever!) but that was definately a one off. We decided since he can obviously go that long without a feed we wouldn't feed him between 11pm-7am (well me technically since I'm still BF) so we tried CC for 6 nights, in the end I just got so exhausted getting up every hour (at least!) I gave in and fed him and he promptly went back to sleep
Last night he went to bed at 7pm, finally settled at 8.20pm. Feed at 10pm then woke every hour until I feed him again at 2am to shut him up he then slept until 5am when he cried for an hour before falling asleep and waking again at 7am. It's just ridiculous. -------------
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Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 8:01pm
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Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 05 November 2009 at 9:18pm
| Mrs_B, has he always woken that frequently? If not, then possibly, maybe, he's teething? |
Posted By: jjands
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 9:10am
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Hi ladies just wanted to thank those of you who gave me advice I gave up on the CIO method and did reassurance instead about half the time now she goes down without a fight, and DH has been tucking her back in when she wakes during the night and resettling her so theres a couple less feeds yay! So hang in there girls theres hope yet! Good luck MRS B wish I had some advice for you! |
Posted By: FreeSpirit
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 6:24pm
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I'm just over it. So father uncle cousin king-ing exhausted, and sooo sick of people like plunket and well meaning friends telling me she "should" be sleeping through.
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Posted By: AuntieSarah
Date Posted: 06 November 2009 at 8:10pm
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Don't you love that, I had a woman at dh' old work say to me a few days ago that he should definitely be sleeping through the night at 8.5 months. I managed to give a reasonably polite response before walking away.
Our sleep has completely turned to sh1t...went away for a week and he slept in bed with me. Then home for a week and he slept with us, then away again for 10 days...home on Sunday and now we both have a terrible cold. Why is it that some people have babies who still sleep all night when they are sick? Mine wakes all the bloody time and is feeding 2-3 times in the night. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 07 November 2009 at 12:50pm
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Posted By: AuntieSarah
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 12:26pm
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Posted By: Ella1
Date Posted: 08 November 2009 at 10:34pm
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I think it's about time I join this thread.
For the first 3 months DD woke every 3 hours at night. Then suddenly at 12 weeks she started sleeping through, this lasted for 5 full weeks! Then she caught a cold which caused her to wake up for extra feeds. At 6 months she was waking once a night ..... and then I returned to work
I only work 2 days a week, but that has had such an influence. DD now sleeps in our bed every night and wakes up, often hourly , for a quick comfort feed. DH has moved into the spare room. I am exhausted.
However I am still not prepared to use CIO. It is against what I believe in, even though everyone tells me I am crazy. I'm dreading our upcoming Plunket visit cause I know I will be told that she has too many BF a day, and not enough solids. But I am not going to force food into her mouth. Anyway, I am hoping to get her to sleep in her own cot again. I don't mind waking once or twice a night, but every hour is just too much. BTW, she used to be a TERRIBLE daysleeper, but since 2 months she often has 2 good (1.5 hr) naps. (Except for her 2 days in the nursery, then she's lucky to do 2 30-minute naps). |
Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 8:05am
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Oh Ella - you must be exhausted. I've no advice for you because I am practicing CC with the Sleep Sense programme and it actually hasn't been that traumatic for me as he's learned within 2 days how to settle himself down for naps within 5-7 minutes just crying lightly on and off. (Nights are a different story).
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Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 4:46pm
Ella, hopefully its just the 9 month-itis thing, and that she'll start getting better for you soon.  Campbell was doing exactly the same thing 2-3 weeks back, and even though he's still sharing our bed at night, he's gone back to waking 2-3 times a night and falling asleep straight after a BF. Hoping he'll go back to spending nights in his cot soon!
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Posted By: LG
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 5:00pm
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I have to jump in and join here too. Kaelin was sleeping through from 8 wks until she starting teething at about 5 months. Now we have problems getting to sleep (i have to rock her to sleep EVERY time) and at night she wakes every hour of every night. We are all totally exhausted but all anyone suggests is CIO. Ive tried to do it but its too hard for me so have to find something else. Was hoping there was going to be a miracle answer in here but its not looking that easy haha.
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Posted By: AuntieSarah
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 9:10pm
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I've just got the no cry sleep solution from the library too. I haven't read it all yet but I love her so far, she is very not bossy! (not like some books I've read which say you MUST follow their routine to the minute). And yes I am too tired to think of a better word for 'not bossy' lol.
Our last couple of nights have been shockers, he's only doing one sleep cycle (45 mins) day and night now, last night settled reasonably easily between but the night before took anywhere between 10 mins and 2 hours to settle in between. I am really hoping that when this cold goes we'll start getting back on track. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Ella1
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 11:30am
I really like her book too. Haven't been able to practice much of it, cause Mika now has a tummy bug  .
But I really like the fact that she's so human. E.g., she advises to put the baby down when drowsy, and not when fast asleep. But then she admits she used to feed her babies to sleep and that if she ever had another one she's probably do that again, even though she knows better. 
We do the feeding to sleep, and I've tried the "Pantley gentle removal plan" (Or Pantley pull off), which isn't very succesfull, cause Mika sees it coming and she does NOT like it. I'm wondering if anyone else tried, and did it work for you? Whitewave, I didn't realise you are co-sleeping at the moment. Let me know how transition to the cot goes - I'd love some good tips. |
Posted By: whitewave
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 10:22pm
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Ha ha, I'll let you know when (or if) it happens, Ella ... DH just informed me Cam's just woken up and is now back in our bed! Better go see to him and go to sleep myself! He's sleeping okay during the day in his cot (albeit 45 min sleeps), just for some reason is waking around this time at night and not resettling in his cot!
I've just read Elizabeth Pantley's book too, but haven't really put it all into practice yet. Hopefully it can make a difference. |
Posted By: tibby
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 2:25pm
| Hi all. I went to a talk last night at The Parent Centre in Greenlane by Louise from The Sleepstore. She talked mainly about CC which is what we are doing. I found it really useful. When l get a chance l will write a longer post. If anyones interested in that method????? |
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Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 6:54pm
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Posted By: tibby
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:02pm
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The talk was very much about CC so if that's not your thing then skip this post.
Well here goes..... firstly she said that babies have 2hrly sleep cycles overnight and 45 min during the day. once babies reach 5 months they will wake fully between cycles i.e wide awake looking around the room. This is where the problem lies if your baby needs you to fall asleep via feeding, rocking, patting etc because they won't be able to go back to sleep (self settle) themselves. This method is really only for babies over 4 months. So the key is to make an optimum sleep environment. Correct temp, sleeping bag, cuddly if you want and possibly white noise on rpt played all night. Then ensure you have a good bedtime routine e.g 5.30 - dinner, 6.00 - bath, 6.30 - feed, 7.00 - bed. It's important baby doesn't fall asleep at the breast, so at least 5 mins awake time before bed after feed. Then say goodnight etc and leave the room. Go back in to reassure at 5,10 and then 15 min intervals until asleep. Rpt goodnight etc when you go in but do not touch or pick up. Continue til baby falls asleep. Average of 1 hr. We started this ourselves a few weeks ago and Oliver took 34 mins the first night and 6 the next. She felt that from 4-5 months babies shouldn't need a feed thru the night ( except DF at 10). However each mum has to assess this. Continue CC thru the night when baby wakes at 5, 10 and 15 min intervals. We did this last night and it worked. It was recommended you do CC for day sleeps too, however maybe concentrate on one thing at a time. The key thing she emphasised was consistency, so you must do CC for each sleep. I was leaving Oliver to self settle betwen 3 hrly feeds overnight therefore confusing him by sometimes feeding him and sometimes not. I'm sure there is more but feel l have waffled on enough. Hope that is some help to some of you. |
Posted By: mollycat
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 8:18am
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Tibby - that's good advice and reinforces the plan I intend to take. Ryan's still a bit young and he suffers from reflux so often I don't feel I can leave him to cry if he might be in pain (sometimes it's hard to tell if he is or not).
But I've been following CC for his naps and he will generally fall asleep within 10 minutes. If he doesn't, then I can usually guarantee that soemthing else is going on (gas/reflux/really dirty nappy). I have tried following this at night but he still definitely needs a feed and then has reflux sooooo I've kind of abandoned for the moment. I do CC for him to fall asleep but then I just go to him when he cries in the night. Hopefully in a couple months I'll be able to follow this the rest of the night. I can already see an improvement in his naps and this is with the banishment of his dummy from his cot completely. He's learned to suck on his wrist if he's having trouble going to sleep. ------------- http://tickers.cafemom.com">
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Posted By: jano1
Date Posted: 13 November 2009 at 11:54am
| And so it goes. A couple of days reprieve and back to crappy sleeps. I think she plays catch up on the lost sleep and then it's back to 30 and 45min sleeps during the day. I'm so over this today |
Posted By: nztui
Date Posted: 13 November 2009 at 3:08pm
I had to do something similar with DD when she needed reassurance awhile back, and what worked was holding her hand through the cot. It was a pain sitting there till she dropped off but was actually really nice seeing her relax that way! |
jjands wrote:Posted By: tibby
Date Posted: 13 November 2009 at 8:08pm
| mollycat, we did the CC in stages too when we felt we were ready. Easch stage is easier because they already know what to do IYKWIM. We did bedtime then day sleeps and now nighttime. Good luck. |