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Posted By: AzzaNZ
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Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 8:52pm
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So what do you all think of the teacher who posed for playboy? ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: BeLoved
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 8:57pm
| I think she should still be allowed to teach, especially when you hear of the types that are still registered and what they had been up to. I am sure there are a lot of teachers out there (rest of the world) that have posed for such magazines. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 8:58pm
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I think its her own business. The pics din't seem to be very graphic. I'm sure some other teachers get up to much worse in their spare time
I don't see why that should stop her from teaching. Its only nudity !!!! |
Posted By: Henna79
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 8:58pm
I wondered if someone would ask this. I wouldn't want her teaching my kids and I don't think she should be teaching at all. Now I am gonna run for cover as I think I will prob be only one who feels this way 
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Posted By: tropics
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 9:07pm
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Henna I agree with you, Im not a prude or anything and my husband would like her to be Jaydens teacher! but I wouldnt want her teaching my child, I am a professional and am a member of two professional bodies and have certain ethics to adhere too (written in the professional institutes that I belong to code of conduct) and believe that there is perhaps a certain level of expectation / standards that such professions (that people look up to like teachers, police etc) should adhere to. In saying that I will be looking on the teachers professional body website when Jayden goes to school to make sure his teachers arent those that didnt get struck off for those incidents worse than her pics! (run for cover) ------------- http://lilypie.com">    [/url]
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 9:13pm
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I was trying to figure out why I was uncomfortable and finally after thinking about it long and hard I did.
Its nothing to do with her at all - its my DH. I don't want him looking at naked pics of anyone we know. I'm all for it when he is fantasizing about someone unattainable like Angelina Jolie for example, but not so comfortable when its a teacher he sees every day, or our neighbour or someone he knows at work, kwim? 
So, I'm going to shut my trap and just carry on as usual - who knew I had a jealous streak? he he he ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: minik8e
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 9:46pm
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I don't have a problem with it, provided she isn't teaching teenage boys who are likely to see it. An 8 year old or whatever isn't going to know about Playboy (well, they shouldn't!!) so it wouldn't be an issue in the classroom. DH agrees with me. If she was in a porn film however, I would probably feel differently!!
I do find it hilarious that Steve Crow has a problem with it though. |
Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 09 November 2009 at 10:26pm
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I think my issue with it is ditto to you Azza, but also, I believe her partner is a pornographer? I'm just not sure those two professions fit nicely side by side. Correct me if I am wrong
Good on her for standing up for herself though I guess. -------------  http://lilypie.com"> |
Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 8:07am
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I think I sit in the middle...I don't think she should be struck off but I don't support her. It did come up in the interview the rule about not bringing her profession into disrepute which she did really with those pictures so she did do something wrong. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 8:27am
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I have a problem with it. Shes in a position of responsibility and there should be standards.
I also wouldn't want someone who has shown such a lack respect for herself to be teaching my child since I want people in authority over my kids to adhere to the same standards I'm trying to develop in them. If she has such a lack of judgement in that area what else could she decide to do that might in fact affect her pupils? ETA I also find it funny that Steve Crow has a problem with it  -------------   
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Posted By: IVFGirl1111
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 9:09am
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What I find really funny - is her and Steve Crow together in the first place?! Like when they were doing the photoshoot and he kissed her and said love you - it just seemed all creepy and stuff!
I mean shes attractive and hes obviously a lot lot older? ETA - I wonder if the school would have even found out about it if she wasnt Steve Crows fiance? ------------- TTC 6 years IVF it is IVF/ICSI round one 10 eggs, 8 mature, 3 fertilised BFN IVF/ICSI #2 = 22 eggs! 20 mature, 15 fertilised, 1 fresh transfer and 2 frosties BFN 2 Frosties still in freezer thank god |
Posted By: Treen
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 9:40am
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I don't think she should be struck off but if I had an 8 year old girl in her class, I would pull her out. I just remember how much I looked up to my teacher at that age. She was so pretty and so nice, I wanted to be just like her when I grew up.
I believe there are already enough pressures out there for a young girl growing up to think that one of her main roles in society is to visually stimulate men. I really wouldn't want another one in my daughter's life as extreme as this. I'd probably do the same if I had an 8 year old boy in her class. I can just imagine a group of boys getting hold of the photos and snickering about them in the boys' loos. I'd want my boy to grow up treating women with respect and as equals and I don't think this would be the best start to that. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Febgirl
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 10:06am
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If she was a good teacher and I was happy with the standard of her teaching then it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. She didn't do anything illegal and what she gets up to in her personal life is her business, I don't see it having any impact on her teaching ability (and if it did, then she wouldn't be a very good teacher so that would be my problem with her).
This all reminds me a bit too much of when I was in school in the late 80s/early 90s and the fuss over openly gay teachers 'influencing' impressionable young children with their deviant ways... ------------- Two little girls under 2! 
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 10:16am
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re the gay thing that is totally a different kettle of fish..that's just ignorant people saying stupid things!!!:( !
the only bit i saw was posing for anon photos that ended up getting posted cause she won or something..and then a bit about how he supposedly was going to meet (which started off as someone else then ended up as her) and she thought he was going to cheat.. anyway bad move to be with him in the first place professionally but although i dont see anything wrong with what she did (and I'm not a prude at all) I do agree that when you decide to be a teacher you have to then meet certain standards outside of work..(its hard enough if you are out drinking and see parents!!!) so yeah i dont think she should be allowed to teach.. having said that she's now teaching at her daughters kindy it said in my mag!!! ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 10:21am
She is. She's my daughters teacher - and a really good one! My eyes popped when I saw her on TV. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Four_eyes wrote:Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 10:59am
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Ok basically if you look up the code of ethics for teachers, which you must adhere to to remain registered, she has done something wrong. I also think the other people they mentioned should have been struck off too.
After going through TCol only a couple of years ago, it's drummed into us that stuff like that is a no-go, as you can't exactly be a good role model for girls about body image, self-esteem etc when your posing nude (or semi-nude) so that guys can get their jollys off. That's basically what it comes down to. I would never have a child of mine in her class at all. I couldn't respect someone who couldn't practice what they preach (not that I'm an angel, but I don't take my kit off and publish it online for all to see, as I'm not an idiot and know what that would mean for my career). |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 11:44am
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There are so many different influences out there now and so many that aren't positive. Its abit sad to see what society has come to.
I have to say I wouldn't allow an openly gay person to teach my kids either. I'm not a homophobe and I do have gay friends but I don't agree with the lifestyle so I wouldn't want that influence around my kids on a daily, authoritive basis. Thats also why I wouldn't have her teaching my kids - I don't agree with her decision morally or ethically. Our children base their values on the decisions of the adults around them so I want to be extremely careful who I allow to have influence over them. If that means being un-PC or 'biased' in the eyes of some people so be it. -------------
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 12:14pm
If I had to only have my kids taught by someone who follows the same lifestyle and ethics that I do then I'd have to homeschool  ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 12:22pm
Haha thats true (I was homeschooled btw ) but while I don't expect teachers to have exactly the same lifestyle/ethics as me I do expect them to be in the same ballpark. Not a big ask I don't think :shrug: doesn't mean I'd never socialise with people like her (I know Steve Crow myself  ) and I certainly wouldn't go overboard about not allowing my kids to know people like that on a casual basis, but I wouldn't allow them to be in a role-model position.-------------
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Posted By: Gaelic Lass
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 2:49pm
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I certainly have a problem with the whole thing, and I am a teacher. We as teachers are not supposed to undertake in anything which could bring our profession into disrepute. What she did - does bring the profession into disrepute - and I can see why the matter is under investigation. I can't understand why she didn't think it would be a problem getting the photos taken - I mean - "hello!". You are supposed to be setting standards for your students and be a good example of modelling "decent" behaviour. We as teachers have a commitment to our learners; to parents & guardians; to society; and to the profession - to uphold these four fundamental principles. Posing for Playboy doesn't somehow fit into those principles!
If my children were in her class, I would have pulled them out too - like other Mum's in this forum. ------------- 
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 2:57pm
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i am sure she is a good teacher i just thought..wow not allowed to teach primary but allowed to teach little ones:) ?
i do agree with Emz when you go to college they tell you over and over again not to do stupid things..like get a criminal conviction for underage drinking or something as you can be refused registration and just general non professional stuff. it's just a sucky part about the job you have to uphold certain values really re the gay thing that is really no issue for me.. i want Ethan to learn that we feel it's ok to love whoever you love so in that case it would be fine.. but i can see how it would be an issue if you do not think that way. I'm not sure i would have pulled my children out of the class though..it's a hard one. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 4:20pm
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I guess she is allowed to teach very young children as they would have no idea of the controversy that is currently surrounding her.
Regarding her photos, they are extremely graphic (nothing is left to the imagination, typical sleazy porn really) I don't think I would be comfortable with her teaching children of mine. She obviously makes stupid personal choices with little or no hindsight. Not to mention her porn empire fiance. If you decide to enter into certain career fields, then one must understand that they need to act with decorum. ------------- 
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 4:59pm
At the risk of being shot right along with you, I can understand your feelings and I think at the core I feel the same. After all, we are right now 95% sure (just a visit to go) that we will be sending Miss M to a Christian pre-school and school. I feel like there are enough influences around that could touch her that go against what we believe and what we want her to learn. School is somewhere she will spend a lot of time and i would be more comfortable if I know that she is getting taught the same values etc that my husband and I strongly believe. Hopefully that makes sense. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 5:02pm
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My first thoughts were along the lines that if you're happy to support / endorse an occupation like a stripper / prostitute / playboy model, then you should be happy to accept them in society as much as you would the next person. So if you're happy for your husband to read playboy, you should be happy to have the said models teach your kids, IYKWIM? Which isn't a problem for me, since I'm not a fan of playboy existing, wouldn't buy it, and wouldn't keep my kids in a class taught by one of it's models.
However, on reflection, I think that logic does have some flaws. Mainly because I decided that really, there are some activities that really are 'adult-only' - they're fine and all, but you don't need your kids to know all about them when they're little. For example, most teachers are going to be sexually active, and that's fine and OK... except you wouldn't really want them making any kind of deal about it in front of the kids!! To follow on from that, I wouldn't want a teacher to be sexually active in a way that would have adults talking about it because their kids will hear them talk, and they'd tell other kids, and you'd have your kids exposed to this whole adult world they didn't need to know about when they're little. To my mind, posing for Playboy fits that category - it's meant kids in her class would be heaps more likely to know Playboy exists at age 8, and that's just a wee bit early for my liking! So no, I'm not a fan, even though my first thoughts weren't entirely watertight (they still hold in some circumstances, just not this one). -------------   
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 5:27pm
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No way would I want her teaching my girls... I'd hate my girl's to have a role model who shows (IMO) so little respect for herself that she would do that...
I wouldn't have a problem at all with a gay teacher... I see that as a completely different issue. They are not choosing to act in a immoral way IMO (I should add I don't think being gay is immoral or a choice)  ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 5:48pm
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Which is an interesting issue, Freckle, because who gets to decide what's immoral? We can go by the views of religeous groups (I'm a Christian myself) which would probably say that both are. Or we could go with some of the more liberal amongst us, who would say that neither is. Or people like yourself who fall somewhere in the middle. How does one decide?
ETA that that's why I'm fairly comfortable with my 'adult activities' thoughts myself, because hopefully it makes sense to people regardless of their feelings on morals. -------------
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 7:04pm
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Yeah I agree Hopes - there are so many different levels of what people think are ok.
In the end it comes down to doing your best to stick with what you believe. People aren't always going to get it right but then theres just blatantly stupid (posing for Playboy anyone?!) and I mean she said in her interview that she doesn't believe in regrets and I can understand that coz neither do I but that doesn't mean I wouldn't make different decisions given a second chanceand I suspect she probably would too from what I saw. On a slightly different note - porn and everything associated with it is a degrading, ruthless, dirty industry. The lack of respect from others both men and women shatters your self-confidence (think modelling but so much sleazier). Why is it ok to allow that lifestyle any kind of foothold in general society?? When we allow teachers, police officers, even musicians to degrade themselves (dressing like a prostitute and singing about wanting all sorts of R-rated things is degarding incase anyone is wondering about musicians ) then continue with their everyday lives why are we surprised when our daughters start dressing like little sluts and getting knocked up? Why are we surprised when our sons start spitting in the street and swearing at old people?
It doesn't have to be about morals, liberal or otherwise. Its about simple respect! OK thats my little rant over lol I should've been born a couple of hundred years ago I think -------------
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 7:24pm
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That's ok Babe, I think I'm a few centuries out also! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: girly_girl
Date Posted: 10 November 2009 at 7:52pm
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Can I add a little something ladies?
As a classroom teacher there is no way that I think it is acceptable for teachers to make such ill thought out decisions - we are a profession that is judged not only what we deliver in our classrooms, but also our community interactions and lifestyle choices - like it or not. I don't even (when not UTD) go out in town drinking (where I teach) as this is frowned upon. So imagine the reaction to taking your kit off...never mind having it published!! We are supposed to be role models, and have significant influence over the development of young people (good, bad or otherwise). I think it naive to think that her choices haven't impacted on her ability to deliver an effective programme in an untainted manner. And as has been said previously - the teachers council is very open about how it views such behaviour, right from the time of applying to study to become a teacher....I don't know why she is so surprised that it has come back to bit her in the backside! ------------- 
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 2:00pm
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I wont get into a mass debate:) but i believe in God but also believe that people are entitled to their choices.. I honestly am surprised that people wouldn't want their children taught by someone who is gay? but i guess with a lot of gay people you probably wouldn't know anyway..
to me playboy is different..I have no issue at all with porn but ultimately she made a stupid choice and is living with the consequences..she would have known them long before she posed. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 2:41pm
| Four-eyes, I'm with you, I'm astounded that people would not want their child taught by someone who is gay. |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 2:48pm
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LOL had to come and see what you meant when I read your comment in Feb thread...
If it helps I wouldn't allow my kids to be under the influence of any lifestyle that I personally wouldn't live. Doesn't have a huge amount to do with God just the fact that I have my opinions and ideas on things so don't think allowing my kids to be taught by someone who has such different opinions, etc to me is sensible. If there was a teacher who I knew was promiscuious or condoned the odd tinny or was having an affair or even who didn't have a problem with swearing round my kids then I'd pull them out. I've known people in authority who've done all those things so its not that uncommon. If you have particular values then it makes sense to find role models and figures of authority for your children who have similar values (even if they aren't the same exactly). You might not think having an affair outside of school hours is going to affect how they teach but it speaks to their character and it would make me question how they could influence my kids in other areas. ETA being gay isn't a matter of character but I don't think the lifestyle is natural and its not something I would personally want for myself or my children (though I'd support them unconditionally if it turned out that was their bent!). Each to their own though just wanted to explain that I'm not 'picking on gays' or anything. As a matter of fact the 21C at one of the local highschools is openly gay and hes a hard-case! He spends more on his ties than I do on my entire wardrobe but drives a complete rustbucket LOL its funny! He's super-nice too. I just wouldn't let him teach my kids
As for being astounded well it wasn't that long ago that the majority of people felt that way about gay people in general sooooo.... just coz society has become more accepting of anything and everything doesn't mean its automatically right or acceptable.-------------
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Posted By: Henna79
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 3:11pm
| Babe I whole-heartedly agree with what you say. I think it's so hard being a parent these days with all of the influences that our kids see that the ones we can control we should control. I was raised pretty strictly and Mum and Dad controlled pretty much everything around me and I see that as the years have gone by their parenting style has changed and in my opinion it is so to the detriment of my siblings (I have 10 the youngest being 7). |
Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 3:21pm
Me too!!!! Its not like they are going to be "influencing": your child to be gay. That said, my kids go to a catholic pre school and will follow on into the catholic school. I teach them about God and the bible, and that gets followed on at pre school, but I will not have my child discriminating against someone (as I wouldn't discriminate against) becasue of their sexual preference, to me its the same as discriminating against someone becasue of their skin colour. Just my opinion, though and I'm not sayign thise who think differently are wrong, i'm just a bit agog!!! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 5:04pm
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yeah i was just really surprised babe i honestly thought people didnt think that way(i know you arent picking on gay people :) ) .. i guess sometimes its hard to now what the teacher is like away from school ? i guess being a teacher i see it from both sides too.. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 5:35pm
 oh gawd LOL I havta try being a little less controversial!!!! Though nice to know I'm not alone...
KA I think everybody is entitled to live their lives as they see fit totally - I wouldn't say gay people for example shouldn't be allowed to be teachers thats utterly ridiculous as it has very little if anything to do with their performance in the role. Same as they have that right though I also have the right to not wish them to teach my children. While I wouldn't be concerned about a gay person 'influencing' my kid into thinking they themselves were that way inclined, it does open doors of thinking for my kids that I prefer to avoid. In saying that they'll grow up with friends of mine who are gay so they'll learn to respect and accept different people same as I do (you can accept the person without accepting the lifestyle ) but I know those friends understand and respect my feelings and wouldn't discuss anything with my kids without talking to me first. I couldn't guarantee that with a teacher. -------------
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 5:47pm
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Ok I'll give a shot at clarifying myself also....if Miss Ma goes to a seccular high school I won't have any issues with her being taught be someone who is gay, I have gay friends and I adore them. However as a Christian I do not believe that their lifestyle is biblically right and I cannot agree with it. However as God teaches us to love everyone I will continue to love the person whole-heartedly....just not thier lifestyle. I know it's a fine line which may not make sense to others.
What I AM more concerned about at the moment is all the other influences that could effect my child now, smutty singers who encourage girls to dress years older than thier age, a lack of morals, committment and love for others just seems to become more prevelant. Those are the influences I currnently want to shield her from. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 6:04pm
 Agreed! -------------
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Posted By: LittleBug
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:38pm
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 9:46pm
Oh my, I am soo hearing you there!!!! I can't wait for mr 17 with his mysoginistic music and filthy posters moves out (ten days...) and takes with him his "friends" of loose moral standards and questionable repesct for themselves.. And I do agree with the statement of love the person not the lifestyle... my (now deceased) sister in law was an alcoholic, so.... ...and I have gay friends, plenty of. Not my cuppa tea either, but I love "them" not what they do sexually...and vice versa I'm sure. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: Twinkle1
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 10:56pm
Having a gay parent, I really can't understand what sort of ínfluences' everyone is referring to? I'm not gay and neither are any siblings. My parent still loves me just the same and I respect them maybe even more for the type of pre-judging they face day to day as shown here. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but hey, lets keep it in check. I mean, a teacher who's not gay may smoke pot for all you know. Personally I'd be more worried about that since a) its illegal, and b) I've seen first hand that it can do a hell of a lot more damage to a person and a family than being gay. At the end of the day, still respect your choices - just wondering what exactly they'd be ínfluencing'. ------------- http://www.TickerFactory.com/"> 
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Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 11 November 2009 at 11:15pm
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hmmm....
I think , that if someone decides they are gay , its because they are gay ..nothing to do with anyone influencing them . I hope Caitlyn uses her head, and isn't influenced by anyone in the decisions on her life, and is wise enough to make the right choices . If she doesn't the only person I will blame, is her , and me. I am her parent , society is not . If my child is easily influenced by media , other people etc, then I have not done the type of parenting job with her that I want . My 2 cents, and Im sure you all disagree with it , thats fine , basically , my opinion is live and let live . ETA , im not so ignorant that I don't believe society has any influence on our children , I know that kids look at celebs , teachers etc as someone to look up to..I just hope that where MY child is concerned , she may be swayed by these people, but ultimately she will use her head and make the right choice for her , based on what is best for her, not because her favorite star is doing it. Thats what I want to teach her Oh and Ty too of course, im so used to only mentioning the one child , oops! ------------- 
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Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 8:36am
Exactly, and last time I checked teachers don't normally declare their sexual preference to their classrooms. |
Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 8:46am
I'm a bit saddened by the "I'm not homphobic, but..." that I hear  ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 9:09am
LOL, from my memories of secondary school, they weren't all that backward about declaring their sexual preferences, both heterosexual and gay. ------------- Mum to two wee boys |
Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 9:13am
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Crikey, we went to very different secondary schools
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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 10:04am
Hhhmmmm I am wondering that too! What exactly do you see wrong with the gay "lifestyle"? How are they any different from you and me? (apart from the obvious which happens in their private home). People don't "become" gay, they ARE gay. Would you want to have a sexual relationship with a woman? I know I wouldn't because I'm not gay and no societal influences could change my mind about that. Sure, kids may flirt with the idea eg holding hands, kissing etc but who cares? It is a part of growing up. Plus what does it matter if your child grows up and becomes a gay adult anyway? |
Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 10:12am
Ditto here, actually - at least, I had a couple of straight teachers who would mention things that as a teenager, I really didn't care to know! (Not that they were particularly innappropriate or anything, just left the teachers sexual preference in no doubt) If I had any gay teachers, I wasn't aware of the fact. I imagine they'd have been less likely to mention it, though, since teenagers can be particularly cruel and abusing people based on sexual preference happens a lot. While I'm not sure if I would be comfortable with an openly gay teacher teaching my kids or not, I am very opposed to abusing anyone for the choices they make in life, and know that christians as a group have done a very hopeless job of this when it comes to homosexuality. (I edited this, because I've decided that I'm not really sure of what I think re teaching my kids, should I ever have any.) -------------
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Posted By: LittleBug
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 10:23am
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Posted By: LittleBug
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 10:26am
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Hopes, I agree with what you said, you say it much better than me. ------------- Chloe (4 years) and Oliver (3 years). |
Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 10:32am
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Just posting my rambling thoughts, since they were relevant to the topic (well, sort of. The gay part, not the playboy bunny part).
I'm not sure if I'd be comfortable with a gay teacher teaching my kids. However, while livng a gay lifestyle isn't a path I'm going to go down because of what I believe, I also didn't sleep with DH before we were married, because of what I believe. Sooo... if that's the case, I should technically have as much of an issue with a teacher who'd living with his/her opposite-sex partner. Just because being gay has been made into a bigger deal these days, there's no difference really, they're both things in life I'm not going to do. I find one easier to understand, perhaps (I would have loved to sleep with DH before we were married, but don't have any homosexual leanings) but that shouldn't change how I feel. I havne't made any conclusions from that yet, but I thought it was a sensible thought, and a topic I'll have to give more thought to if (when!) I have kids. -------------
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 10:41am
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I believe sexuality is on a spectrum. Not all of us are excuslively straight or gay. I've fooled around with a few women in my time and a lot people have attractions to the same sex during their lives. I don't consider myself to bi/straight, I prefer to look at the person and really it's just attraction. As I say to my SD, if we were all the same the world would be a boring place.
As for Gays around kids, the New york times recently published http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/magazine/08fob-wwln-t.html - an article on children of same-sex parents. Who are surprise, surprise not markedly different from those of heterosexual parents. They show no increased incidence of psychiatric disorders, are just as popular at school and have just as many friends But these children tend to be less conventional and more flexible when it comes to gender roles and assumptions than those raised in more traditional families … Same-sex couples, it seems, are less likely to impose certain gender-based expectations on their children … PS. In terms of gayness my former flatmate spent 9 months inside a lesbian with another gay man which really does take some beating on the gayness stake. Oh and BTW he is teacher too! |
Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 10:46am
See, I cant wait until gay = normal, just as much as straight = normal. But then I've been living in sin for 12 years now and having children out of wedlock so I guess I too dont fit in the "normal" box. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 10:50am
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That's not true, Azza . I'd hazard a guess that living with your partner before marriage (if you do marry, that is) is more 'normal' now than not. Doesn't mean it's something I'd do, but your life is your own, and it's not anyone's right to impose their views on you (bar legal stuff, I guess). I'm sure you'd agree that the same applies for your views on people who make different decisions to you? -------------
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 10:53am
I know this sounds corny but when I see same sex couples kissing I just want to say 'yah!' Ps you might love this skit on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_hyT7_Bx9o - Prop 8 (Anti-gay marriage) referendum in Californa last year. |
Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 10:54am
I dont mind my child being taught by people who believe in chastity before marriage, or by people who are gay/straight, christian/muslim/jewish/whatever. I'd like her to be exposed to people from all different spectrums and to see the wonderful range of choices available to her. But then I'd embrace her choosing a religion that is different to ours, or a lifestyle choice that is different to ours as long as she is happy. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 10:56am
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Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 10:56am
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I just don't understand why people care what others do in their own homes. Some people do things much weirder and offensive than have sex with someone of the same gender.
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Posted By: caitlynsmygirl
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 10:59am
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My way of thinking is , if they aren't bothering me , causing me (or anyone I care about ) any pain or strife , then people can live their lives however they want to , be that as gay , straight, virgins til marriage, kids out of wedlock , whatever.
Its their life, not mine , I may not do the same, (girls don't turn me on , sorry guys !) but its their life, and they are entitled to do what they want to make them happy , and good for them , we only get one life, and its a short one . Im not going to waste it being upset at choices other people make , unless it hurts me and the people I care about in some way ....and what they do in the privacy of their own home , is up to them . Not my concern But if any of my children did decide they were gay when their older , cool , all I want is for my kids to be happy and true to themselves . -------------
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Posted By: Mama-Me
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 11:05am
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I'm shocked by some of the comments I have read here and very sadden by some of them.
I don't understand how some can say 'I don't want my kid to be taught by a gay yet I'm friends with a gay' to me that just doesn't make any sense at all. Who a teacher dates/lives with/married to should not have any bearing on their teaching skills. As for them influencing the kids to be gay? WTF? Don't understand that one at all! As for the teacher posing nude - what she does in her own time is her business. She maybe a teacher but only when she is at school teaching, when she is at home, she is free to do what she wants - that is her business. It is no different to a lawyer or an office worker or a cafe waitress posing nude one weekend and then going to work on Monday. ------------- http://www.thebabyview.com/" rel="nofollow - The Baby View for mums who love to shop |
Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 11:11am
Well said Kelly
Haha this is quite funny, I think a lot of you are going to get a MASSIVE shock when your kids start going through school The health curriculum (in public school, religious/private schools will be different) has a lot of stuff about accepting different lifestyles (there are even readers like 'x (can't remember name) has two mummies' etc), not gender-stereotyping, etc etc. So yeah, good luck, doesn't matter if they're not being taught by a gay person, they may still be taught by someone like me who values developing children to be open-minded and follows the curriculum documents (plus I specialised in Sexuality Education, which is more about self-awareness and how to deal with internal and external thoughts/pressures rather than sex).
I do worry by sheltering your children, what happens when they get out in the real world? Surely its best to expose them (obviously to an extent) but maintain values in your family, so like Kelly said, they can make the right decisions. And also, we are not parents to make clones of ourselves, surely the best job as a parent is to develop a child to become a free-thinking, law-abiding, and contributing member of society regardless of sexual orientation? Oh and sexuality is definitely on a spectrum. My first serious boyfriend is bi - didn't know it at the time but looking back I can see it now. He's always been that way, it wasn't a massive change, he just fell for a person who happened to be a man. I believe there's such a mix, some people clearly only like the same sex, but a lot (think Anne Heche) can fall deeply for someone of the same sex even though they'd been with people from the opposite sex before. Back on the teacher issue, I honestly think she's a bit stupid to be so ignorant to the ethics required of a teacher and is now trying to defend herself, when in all honesty, she has no case. She went against the ethics, now she needs to be reprimanded for it. |
Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 11:16am
Actually, both lawyers and teachers are meant to maintain a level of decorum regardless of whether they're at work or not. Professions like that have ethics to work to (such as teaching has that teachers can't do anything that puts the profession into disrepute, regardless of if they do it during school time or not). We've also had lawyers at work fired by clients for stupid antics (nothing illegal, just not that great ie. drunk at the races and making a fool of themselves), and they have been let go due to this. Just thought I'd clear that up.
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 11:16am
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As long as the person teaching my children is a good teacher, I don't really care what they do in their own time or what their sexual preferences are.
My children certainly aren't going to be looking at any porn when they're little. What they do as teenagers is another matter. To me the issues brought up in the 60 minutes programme are very adult ones and outside the terms of reference for primary school kids. For those with issues around gay/straight, how would you cope if your child told you they were gay? I guess if their are ethics/rules around conduct of a teacher, then she's got no one else to blame but herself. Not everyone is open minded. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: pomikiwi
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 11:24am
Ok, sorry but I had to laugh to myself. Do you think that because they go to a 'religious' school they wont have bad influences?? How would you know if a teacher was gay or not, as far as I know most gay people dont go around parading that they are gay, certainly being gay would never come into their professional life. My friends mum is a gay nurse, she doesn't introduce herself as being gay when she meets patients! So why would a gay teacher be any different, they are there to teach not talk about their private lives. And i can assure you they are alot more gay teachers than you'd ever know about! Also, religious schools are renowned for being worse than state schools for bad influences, especially drugs and sex! So just because you'll send your child to a christian school, don't for a second think they will not have these 'bad' influences in their lives! Oh and doesn't the catholic church have the most immoral priests?? Paedophiles and sex offenders? I think there are far worse things to worry about than if your child is being taught by a gay teacher! ------------- http://lilypie.com">  
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 11:33am
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That is kinda funny.
I went to Catholic School and we had one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates in school, you can't stop teenagers doing what they want to do, you can only offer support and encourage alternatives. We even had a Jewish teacher in our Catholic school, while he obviously didn't share the 'religious belief's of the school' that didn't stop him being a good teacher. No wonder Men are reluctant to become teachers, its a pity and its the children that miss out. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 11:49am
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Okay. So....deep breath. Ummm....how do I put this?
I am a Christian. I was most certainly not brought up in a Christian household. The advantage of that, is that I had to make my own mind up about religion, over following my parents lead. I do not believe in the gay lifestyle. Nor do I believe in substance abuse. My mother is an alchoholic, whom also happens to be the bravest woman in the world. She put herself through rehab, and has become the most amazing role model. I have always loved her, just not what she's done. This does not mean these people should be ostricised or ignored, put down etc. If I do my job correctly, more daughter will have her head screwed on when she grows up. Of course with all my heart I will do my best to raise her as a Christian, as a Woman of God in the church. I hope with all my heart that she has a solid moral base, with a whole lot of love for everybody everywhere. How she is influenced and therefore continues to live her life falls on my and my Dh's shoulders. I dunno if I'm making sense. Basically, I'll forever do my best to converse about different situations in life, about how to handle them etc. I will not hide anybody from her in any way, they are all created by God too. Gah I'm not trying to start a religious debate, or knock anybody back or anything. Anyway we'll see how it all turns out, she's only 11 months old! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> |
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Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 11:54am
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My parent's raised me as Catholic and it worked for a while, it was only as an adult when I started questioning my faith, that I realised I didn't believe what I was expected to and still don't. It would be easier to pretend that I do as I live in a very religious town but my heart and mind simply can't follow something I don't believe in.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to raise your daughter the best you can. That's what we all aim to do. I'm not really sure what people mean by the 'gay lifestyle' either, for the most part gay people I know live much the same way as everyone else. They just happen to have a partner who is the same sex. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Mama-Me
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 11:56am
Thanks for that, tis good to know but I don't agree with it unless of course they broke the law then yeah serves them right they lose their job and go to jail! But I don't believe that what you do outside of your job should effect your employment - yes it is good to have ethics but unless that company pays you for 24 hours then there has to be a line between where your time starts which means freedom to be yourself and where you job starts. For a workplace/industry to say and have say/effect what you do in your own time away from work is just PC gone overboard. ------------- http://www.thebabyview.com/" rel="nofollow - The Baby View for mums who love to shop |
Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 12:15pm
I'm so not going to make any friends here buuut....
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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 12:22pm
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I'm not sure what people mean by the "gay lifestyle" either. I have several friends and family members who are gay and their lifestyles are exactly the same as mine and my husbands.
I am quite shocked by the anti-gay stance that some people here take. I thought that we had moved on from that as a society and are a lot more open-minded nowadays. To be anti-gay seems very old-fashioned, I don't understand how they are different from straight people?? We are all just PEOPLE! |
Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 12:22pm
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I'll preface my post by reminding people that I'm not sure what I think on this issue. I think I'm leaning towards not being overly concerned if my kids had a gay teacher, but I'm not sure.
I don't think I'm in for too big shock with sex ed - it wasn't that long ago that I went through it myself, and having a teenage sister, I'm pretty confident I know what it involves. I can also understand why some parents would prefer their kids didn't attend, because it's based on a world view that they might not agree with (i.e. making decisions based on what you want first and foremost - I think the basic Christian perspective is what God wants, then what you want). I wouldn't make that choice myself, I think what you learn is for most of the part too valuable to miss, but I wouldn't hold it against anyone who disagreed.
I agree 100% with your second comment. I find the first one rather hurtful. I'm not a catholic, and would never be. But are you suggesting that a catholic congregation would condone horrific offenses by sick people? I was more of the opinion that those people, like paedophiles all round, hid those offenses and that if most catholics had have known, they would have been horrified. It would be a different kettle of fish if there was a catholic Mum on here condoning paedophiles but insisting she wouldn't let a gay teacher teach her kids, but I don't think we've got that problem, thank goodness!
I'm not 100% sure how that's entirely relevant... homosexuality isn't restricted to men, and while I can see this conversation putting some gay people off the profession, I'm not sure why you targeted men in particular?
I really like your first point, Fleur. I'm a huge, huge fan of questioning what you believe. What on earth is the point in believing something if you're scared of thinking hard about whether it's actually true or not? I cringe when other people suggest that you shouldn't question your faith - I'm happy to do so, and I'd change what I believed if the answers didn't add up. On your second point, in my case I use it to differenciate between someone who's attracted to the same sex, and someone who's sleeping with someone of the same sex. There is a difference - it's kind of like before I was married, I wanted to sleep with DH, which is all well and good and pretty damn normal, but I chose not to. What would I do if one of my kids told me they were moving in with a same-sex partner? Hopefully, the same as I'd do as if they told me they were moving in with an opposite-sex boy/girlfriend, joining the mongrel mob or converting to Hinduism - be a bit sad, because my beliefs are important to me, and in my heart I want my kids to follow them, but try to be as understanding as possible, and of course, continue to love them / want to be a part of their lives. I don't think I'd force them to discuss the issue, because chances are they don't want to, but I'd let them know that I'm happy to discuss why I made different choices to them if they wanted to. My brother doesn't go to our church, and this is pretty much how Mum handled it when he decided not to - they still have a very close loving relationship, so I do believe it can work. We see a lot of him and his wife, and love them to bits. -------------
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Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 12:29pm
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Hopes I think I agree with you....and you put it much better than I.
I'm not concerned about a gay teacher, or a teacher who poses for magazines, as long as either my kids don't find out OR if they did, we had a great big discussion / heart to heart about what it means and choice people make, reprocussions of those choices and what s/he would do in certain situations. As for being old fashioned, I most certainly am, and I love it. I've sorted out what I believe and where my priorities are, and I'm a happy chickadee. I'd do anything to go back to horse and cart days! Lol but no pinnys thanks. I could be a whole lot more opinonated right now, but will bow out gracefully and watch the rest of the discussion with interest ------------- http://lilypie.com"> |
Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 12:29pm
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Flake I may not agree with you but I'll be your friend
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Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 12:34pm
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Posted By: tishy
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 12:36pm
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My ignorant understanding of God and gay relationships is that "same sex" partners can not get married/have children and this is why it is considered not 'natural'.
So sex before marriage is considered a sin regardless of who is involved. This is not my own personal opinion but it helps me understand the opinion of others. And back on the topic of posing for Playboy. I completely agree with what Emz has said on the matter. If it was a police officer who had done it would peoples opinion still be the same? |
Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 12:40pm
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Essentially yes, if my child new the cop as a cop, and found out. I would react in the same way, sit them down and chat.
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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 12:42pm
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Aww, thanks Flake and LittleBug.
That's an interesting summary, Tishy. While it doesn't 100% explain where I come from, it's short and neat and summarises a lot. I'm also sooooo impressed that you go out of your way explain and try and understand another point of view when you don't agree with it (I like people like that )-------------
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Posted By: Paws
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 12:43pm
I think Flake has really summed up what I would want to say. I also know my opinions are old fashioned in many ways and many would have trouble understanding them, that's fine. But they are my beliefs, they are biblically based and part of my faith and I understand often hard for some to understand the fine line that is there. Incidentally though, I'm not Catholic, I'm Baptist and the pre-school and primary school I want to send Miss M too is not Catholic not that denomination makes any difference. In the end, I want what anyone else wants for their child, the best they can give them and I'm trying to do this by choosing the best school I feel I can as "old fashioned" as it might be. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 12:50pm
I wouldn't call you old fashioned, I'd call you a and loving parent who wants to do what is right for her child. |
Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 12:57pm
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Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:02pm
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It would be a
'some people don't know God and do what feels good to them, and thats okay, as Christians, we prefer to think about what Jesus would do and what would make God happy. We need to remember to look after our hearts. So I guess it is a them and us conversation, but not made to judge/make the them look bad, if that makes sense. Needs a bit of tweaking, haven't had to put it into practice yet ------------- http://lilypie.com"> |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:04pm
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Haha gotta love OBs 'interesting' threads
I don't think same-sex relationships are normal, should be normal nor is it something I want for my children. I also don't agree that people are instrinsically gay. I've actually known atleast one guy who went through a confused stage during puberty and was told by a teacher that certain feelings and behaviours meant you were gay. He thought that since he was feeling some of those things he was gay, went on to have homosexual relationships and get very screwed up before he spoke to someone else and realised that he wasn't gay after all. I don't know that he ever got over it though he did stop 'being gay'. No matter how well we bring up our kids they're going to go through stages where hormones and development make them somewhat confused and open to suggestions they otherwise wouldn't consider. I personally believe its my duty as a parent to steer my kids in the direction I think is healthiest and right. That doesn't mean stifling their individuality - if they hate mushrooms, love the colour orange (even to dying their hair that colour) and decorate their bedrooms with swords (my brother did the sword thing ) thats perfectly ok with me. However if they want to pierce their privates, put up violent/sexually explicit pictures on their walls or begin to listen to music with awful lyrics then I'll put my foot down.
If they bring home a friend who is gay I'll welcome that friend and support the friendship but keep a very close eye on whats going on. If they tell me all their friends are experimenting with drugs and ask me what I'd do if they tried it out I'd make it very clear that its unacceptable and the consequences for them from me if I found out they were experimenting would totally not make it worth their while. This is obviously talking about older kids (though they're getting younger and younger sadly). I don't think its wise at all to allow too many different influences into your home. Even 16 year olds are totally stupid at times. It can be a split second between a good or bad decision and the smaller amount of choices they have the easier it is to make the good decision. You wouldn't offer your 2yo the choice between 5 shoes, 3 pairs of sandals or barefeet because its too overwhelming. The principle doesn't change as your children get older, especially as the choices get more and more life-affecting. Its a turbulent journey growing up and good parenting is the map which gets your children through with the least amount of damage. -------------
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:08pm
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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:12pm
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Oooh, a debate on circumcision, I want to see one of those (only because I don't see any particular need, but I know people who think it's important and want to know why). Not that I think we should start one now, we've had enough of hot topics for a day.
I actually really enjoyed this discusion, though. Everyone was nice, I learnt a lot, it's what a heated topic should be
Oh, and as an aside on the sex ed thing - my sister was showing me her science book the other day. Not only did they have the usual reproductive section, which was really good and in-depth, they had a whole section on IVF and fertility treatment. Sooooo impressed! Now my lunchtime's over, and I have to get back to work -------------
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:13pm
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wow... really again i am totally shocked.. i feel sorry for teachers who are gay who cant in 2009 be happy to be who they are..
if Ethan or Liam end up gay that is the way it is.. in my mind it is 100% something you are born being or not (it is never a choice..some people are bi or gay and some people are straight)being and if i choose not to accept him and his life then what would that do to him:( They are/will be my boys no matter whether they love women or men ...it really makes me sad that if my son was gay and chose to become a teacher he would get treated like this:( I've seen my gay friends treated badly , mostly through ignorance of their lifestyle(most of them are much more monogamous than the straight people i know) of course i think everyone is entitled to think how they want to and that is fair enough it just saddens me as i thought my boys were growing up in a world that was more accepting of people's lifestyles:( and i certainly don't think a gay teacher would 'influence' my sons? I hardly knew anything about my teacher's personal lives nor would i want to:) except the hot student teacher i had in 3rd form...lol..I was pleased to learn he was single ;) ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:13pm
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hopes there are millions of threads on the circumsion one:) ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: tishy
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:14pm
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How about "Is smacking worse than formula?"
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:16pm
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Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:18pm
Treated like what? Just to clarify, of course they should be happy within themselves, acceptance is certainly part of Christianity I would not treat them any different, but would use it as a catalyst to discuss relationships with my kids.
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Posted By: pomikiwi
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:20pm
I was kinda trying to get the point accross that just because you follow a religion it doesn't mean that 'bad' or immoral influences will be absent if your child attends a religious school etc. Like the comment (sorry cant remember who I quoted) said about her daughter was going to a Christian school so she wouldn't have to worry about a gay teacher. HOW WOULD SHE KNOW!? Just because christians are not suppose to be gay doesn't mean non of them are! Thats why I brought in the comment about catholics (or any other religion for that matter) they preach about good morals etc but yet 'some' of the priests/ministers etc are very immoral according to the religion they follow. And like you said most goes undetected. So no i'm not saying that catholic people would condone immoral behaviour. So i dont think my comment was "hurtful" not compared to what some people on here are saying about gay people. Now thats hurtful! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:20pm
It took an article on the NZ Herald website - or rather the pages and pages of comments that resulted to make me realise how homophobic the general public - or at least the ones represented by the site - are in NZ. And yet when I look at my friends I could only think of one who may feel that way. I understand your feelings - but in the interests of keeping the thread from getting heated I'll have to sit on my hands. I dont agree with many of the opinions expressed here - but I recognise their right to express it. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:22pm
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Posted By: pomikiwi
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:23pm
so us athiests don't know how to lead a moral lifestyle I dont think you need to be religious to have good morals and standards. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: WRXnKids
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:27pm
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Did she take the playboy to school and show the kids or tell them she was in the competition to drum up votes? If no i dont have a problem with it
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:28pm
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Hope there is a discussion on circumsicion it was for the most part civil.
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Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:28pm
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Lol no no no thats not what I meant!!!! But I have different morals. Not that mine are right, not that yours are right, oh goodness gracious I really do need to shut up. Anyone got a digging smiley?
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Posted By: lemongirl
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:35pm
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I'm a bit disheartened by the homophobia around these parts as well.
DP knows that is wise to assume any of male friends are gay until proven otherwise. Which I suppose is a fair call, most of my friends are gay and before I lived with DP I was flatting with gays, had a gay landlord. I asked him how many gays he knew before we started dating and he said none. But I don't really think of them as my 'gay friends' they are always just my friends. In the same vein that my Asian friends, are my friends, christans etc. Because once you get past the label they are still just people, much like mothers. So before you think 'omg he's gay gah!' why not take the time to get to know people before you judge. Some of them are dicks, yes but then it's not like the straight population has a monopoly on virtue here. |
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Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:36pm
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Posted By: flakesitchyfeet
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:38pm
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Posted By: MummyFreckle
Date Posted: 12 November 2009 at 1:47pm
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...and whether children should be allowed in waiting rooms!!! |