Probably obvious question but . . .
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Topic: Probably obvious question but . . .
Posted By: spanky77
Subject: Probably obvious question but . . .
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 6:17pm
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if temp charting, is it possible to have a biphasic cycle and NOT ovulate?
My understanding is that its the corpus luteum that produces the temp-raising progesterone, but don't the ovaries also secrete prog too? I don;t seem to have any fertile CM either. Just wondering, as BBT is definitely biphasic, but about .3 of a degree, ie from about 36 follicular to 36.3 luteal. And spotting through the luteal for at least a week, before AF. Have had bloods will find out results for definitie, but have been wondering about this and can't seem to find this out by googlepedia |
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Posted By: spanky77
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 6:37pm
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from what I'm reading, it IS just the corpus luteum pumping out the progesterone
and oestrogen is responsible for CM |
Posted By: spanky77
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 10:05pm
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Cheers Jezsika, you found the chart I see! Got carried away with my ironing (wooh!) and didn't check back here til now
What do I really want to know? Good question! Really, here, was just wondering if I was actually ovulating. Y'know, when your brain strats working overtime (yes, all the time) about what could be happening. Although the biphasic aspect seems apparent on my chart, I got to wondering about whether I was really popping an egg out each month after all. I saw the follicles were growing on USS on about CD8 last month, with one dominant. I think I put the lack of CM together with the weirdo spotting thing and BD'ing at optimal times and nothing happening, and was wondering about whether it was an annovulatory thing, hence the early spotting/bleeding. I wasn't enquiring about the LP (for once!!) or spotting in this thread, although its at the back of my mind; I didn't mention it here. you count the LP as 9 days. I counted it as start of the spotting for some reason, so 1-2 days. have always said, is hard to tell where the spotting ends and AF begins with me. Looking at the last cycle, I would say 9 days, but the cycle before, probably around 12-13 day LP. Last cycle was a shorty - 24 days, and the one before was something like 32 days. Either way, shouldn't be bleeding before 10 days AT ALL, in my thinking I guess with no CM its a lower chance, and I would have to be bang on (pun?) time with the swimmers, time for OPK's if thats the case. My money is on something hormonal, likely progesterone too! Have had bloods done and seeing doc again this week so will get results, for CD2 and CD21 (ish). The idea of lubes sounds weird to me, but, I guess, whatever it takes . . . |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 10:08pm
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Spanky... looking at your Nov chart... maybe you ovd early on cd 9? your temps rose and the upward trend I think would indicate a good prog level.. Looking at todays temp it looks like you are about to ov soon... |
Maybe get some cheap opk's and do one everyday to see when your LH surge happens?
Posted By: spanky77
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 10:08pm
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hey, and like a freako stalker, I just checked your profile, you have the same birthday as me!!!
But I'm older than you . . . |
Posted By: peachy
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 10:12pm
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Having a very short LP and spotting prior to AF myself I would say you have low progesterone levels. I am currently with a Fert Spec to sort out these issues for me and yours sound very similar. I currently have an 8 day LP.
I would see what your blood test results indicate, my prog at CD21 was 6.7 in October which is very very low, last month it was 32.4 which was a huge improvement! Best to talk to your doctor though. I am only letting you know what I have learnt from my spec as yours issues sound similar to me. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: peachy
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 10:13pm
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Oh and I haven't checked your chart either...... ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: spanky77
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 10:16pm
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Shezzey, yeah, given that the cycle before was longer, if I actually did start period on day 28, then I would have ov'ed around day 12 . . . just not much time between finishing bleeding and ov'ing, which sounds a bit weird to me. Temps had only just dropped too, from previous cycle
Yes I'm expecting to ov in the next day or 2, shame DP away (not in a manger). Have actually been advised not to TTC while being investigated, so it doesn't matter, just in a tracking place atm. Had a big dip this morning, so watching carefully. Hence the CM awareness |
Posted By: spanky77
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 10:18pm
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Cheers Peachy, I will ask for numbers when I see doc, not just "normal/abnormal range"
What has the fertility specialist done to your prog levels!!? Thats insane (in a good way) is this pessaries and creams and stuff Was this an issue with your Lilypie or just a recent development? |
Posted By: peachy
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 10:32pm
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I am seeing a Naturopath and am taking a huge dose of Vitex, a herbal concoction and various other supplements. I am also having weekly accupuncture. When I started with the naturopath (who specialises in infertility) 3 months ago I was ovulating anywhere from day 21 to 24 with an 8 day LP. Now I am ovulating on day 16, just got to lengthen my LP now. The only thing with natural treatment is it takes time to build up in your system and have an effect!
Number one DD was a one hit wonder after a wild night out on the town, we have now been ttc number 2 for 12 months and we are having a few issues so that is why I am seeing a specialist. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: peachy
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 10:35pm
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I agree with Jess' post above and keep charting until you decide who to see as your charts are invaluable to them as they can see exactly what your cycle is doing.
My Naturopath could see exactly where to start with my treatment as i had 6 months of charts to show her. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 10:36pm
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I just wanted to say (I havnt looked att your chart) but it is possible to use lube (I used preseed) and get PG.. I had no FCM whatsoever the cycle I got PG so it works!
Ok off to bed now.. Sorry Im really no help whatssoever! (Oh and witht he lack of CM, the preseed really does make BDing much more enjoyable so you can do it more often (If you wanted to)) ------------- 
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Posted By: spanky77
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 10:47pm
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I only have the free FF so only 2 charts should be up there, don;t know how to add more, and not signing up for pro or whatever it is.
Spotting is some days brown, some days red, usually after numbertwos, but sometimes more. Some days with clots. LIke a very very light period. In fact, when I do have AF now, its very light, rarely get to halfway in the cup (about 7 ml) every 4-6 hours, and thats at the heaviest point. Yes I check internally for CM, but haven't got the hang of CP yet - it all feels the same to me! Chart does look ok, was just wondering if there was something major I could be overlooking (I know, I know, let the doc do her job!!) Peachy, I totally intend to try some acupuncture in the New Year (didn't I post in another thread of yours on this a while back? Possibly?). Sounds like its working for you, good luck with the LP, and the rest of it, of course! Am under GP atm, just switched, so will see what the main tests unearth, if anything. Will have to go private specialist (or waiting list, however it works) if this is truly truly weird. |
Posted By: spanky77
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 10:53pm
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*Grabs preseed and empties the tube in, before going in search of DP*
No Emmi, that IS helpful thanks. I only started charting in the first place, as I had a feeling that my GP would only send me away to chart for a coupla months and to come back then. I knew something wasn't right though, its been like this a year. I ended up getting pg (totally wasn't expecting it either, considering I was charting!) 6 weeks after starting BBT but baba died at around 8 weeks - consistent with luteal phase issues, so my charts are a bit messed up |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 15 December 2009 at 11:01pm
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I think you need to establish your ov day to get a good result on your prog levels .... prog test should be done on 7dpo (when prog peaks)... If you do have low prog... one of the reasons could be corpus luteum defect (insufficiency / deficiency) which means it releases low prog (spotting) or disintegrate earlier than it is supposed to and thus cause a drop in prog (temps) too soon and AF arrives. |
Posted By: spanky77
Date Posted: 20 December 2009 at 9:01am
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thanks guys!
Well I got my results back from the doc, and hormone levels seem just fine. Progesterone at 7DPO was 46!! So doesn't seem to be low at all, who would have expected that?? Not me anyway. Prolactin was superhigh though, so we're keeping an eye on that. Like 578! Dr is referring me to gynacologist for the weirdo bleeding, think its gonna be a few months on the waiting list Might get some Preseed for DP's Xmas stocking!!! (D'oh! Not ttc though, are we?) |
Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 20 December 2009 at 6:03pm
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Yay for the high progesterone...good sign of ov |