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Topic: Sick of interlopers!
Posted By: Bizzy
Subject: Sick of interlopers!
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 8:21am
I dont know about you lot but i am getting sick of people registering and posting once or twice to maon about a thread or a comment on a thread.

Two people on the baby and coldsores thread have done it and i saw one the other week (but cant remember what it was sorry) that was the same.

They know nothing about us or our community and expect us to take them seriously.

I'm thinking that maybe it should be made mandatory to post an intro.

Then again you might all think i am being silly and dont mind it at all! LOL

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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 8:34am
I tend to agree a little as its usually just to tell one of us off!

Yes, some things we say may not be "sensitive" but most of us "know" each other and know how to take things.

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 8:43am
a mandatory intro would put off those spammers too!

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Posted By: Katep
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 8:49am
I just went and had a look.   Isn't it odd that she just turned up and joined the same day that someone posted about her friend?

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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 8:53am
It alway happens! How do they find out what we are talking about? They must spend a lot of time searching for threads on it...hmm....

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 9:08am
i suppose if they googled it then the OB thread would come up. Or in the coldsore case the original poster might have mentioned it on the FB page.

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Posted By: jaz
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 9:20am
It is probably existing users wanting to say something anonymous so creating a new profile.

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 9:23am
then its even more rude!

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Posted By: Aprilfools
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 9:29am
There is a link on the FB page to let them know that the word has been spread so they probably found out from there.

Agree about the interlopers, they're so annoying, and the two posters you are referring to are just rude and were way too quick to get on someones back imo.

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 9:49am
and now theres been another person posting.

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Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:00am
I actually don't have a problem with it. Someone here questioned if the story was true or not and friends of the person concerned have come to vouch for her, I'd probably do the same for my friend.

I remember reading an article quite some time ago on a UK news website so it certainly is a true story.


Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:21am
I think it is okay providing the person isn't creating a new username just to verbally attack someone. This is an open forum and I think new people should be encouraged to post. There must be hundreds of people who read and never post and I think a number would be scared off because it can almost be like a high school clique on here at times.


Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 1:17pm

Is it possible to have posts removed where inappropriate language has been used etc, or where people are attacking others?
I know on TM you can have people removed that don't observe the general rules of the forum.



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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 1:24pm
I'd love to see a way to get rid of the spammers. They drive me nuts! and there's more and more of them now. They effectively kill threads.

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Posted By: LJsmum
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 2:07pm
i agree bobbie

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Posted By: LittleBug
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by LittleSal LittleSal wrote:

I think it is okay providing the person isn't creating a new username just to verbally attack someone. This is an open forum and I think new people should be encouraged to post. There must be hundreds of people who read and never post and I think a number would be scared off because it can almost be like a high school clique on here at times.


I agree, it's a public forum and it's meant to be accessible to everyone.

On the other hand, it would be nice to have a way to stop spammers...

TBH I get more annoyed at the "vote for me" threads

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Posted By: .Mel
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 2:14pm
Doesn't bother me personally, it is an open forum and I was never told that I had to post in the introduction thread when I joined 3 years ago...

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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 2:25pm

It is an open forum and posters need to be aware that not everyone is going to agree / support their post.
I do think any swearing or abuse should be reported/deleted though. Its also supposd to be an 'grown-up' forum.



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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by .Mel .Mel wrote:

Doesn't bother me personally, it is an open forum and I was never told that I had to post in the introduction thread when I joined 3 years ago...


Me either. And I think it is pretty stink that they were made to feel as if it is protocol to do so.


Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 2:34pm
Originally posted by mrsg1 mrsg1 wrote:

It is an open forum and posters need to be aware that not everyone is going to agree / support their post.
I do think any swearing or abuse should be reported/deleted though. Its also supposd to be an 'grown-up' forum.



I agree.

Everyone has there own options it is a pity when people get singled out or attacked because they give there view, but then you are always going to get people like that in any forum. And as most forums are open to anyone you will always get people who want to start something & enjoy causing upset...just all part of WWW life


Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 2:48pm
Originally posted by mrsg1 mrsg1 wrote:

Is it possible to have posts removed where inappropriate language has been used etc, or where people are attacking others?
I know on TM you can have people removed that don't observe the general rules of the forum.



you can report a post - there is a report post button up next to the date etc on each individual one.

i think that now that OB has grown more and is attracting more attention that having to post an intro would stop spammers...

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Posted By: .Mel
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by LittleSal LittleSal wrote:

Originally posted by .Mel .Mel wrote:

Doesn't bother me personally, it is an open forum and I was never told that I had to post in the introduction thread when I joined 3 years ago...


Me either. And I think it is pretty stink that they were made to feel as if it is protocol to do so.


I agree.

I also think the problem with the introduction thread, is who's going to "police" that and then who's going to "police" the new posters to make sure that they aren't just a one off?


If they HAVE to post introductions then maybe there needs to be more moderators on this forum like other forums.....



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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 3:03pm
Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

i think that now that OB has grown more and is attracting more attention that having to post an intro would stop spammers...


But what about people who want to remain anonymous? Not everyone wants to say "Hi my name is blah and my DH is blah and I have ten kids and live in Onehunga". Why should they have to? A lot of people use forums such as these for posting anonymously.


Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by LittleBug LittleBug wrote:


TBH I get more annoyed at the "vote for me" threads


Yeah same .. especially since its specifically against forum rules.

I obviously dont have a problem when they do it in the due date thread (and I have been guilty of that), but when they post in general its just a pita.

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 3:34pm
Originally posted by LittleSal LittleSal wrote:

Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

i think that now that OB has grown more and is attracting more attention that having to post an intro would stop spammers...


But what about people who want to remain anonymous? Not everyone wants to say "Hi my name is blah and my DH is blah and I have ten kids and live in Onehunga". Why should they have to? A lot of people use forums such as these for posting anonymously.


but you dont have to post that kind of stuff. even a hi, have been lurking for a while and have decided to join as am interested in your TTC threads...   you dont have to go into specifics. i am sure some boards i have seen it automaticaly wont let you post unless you have posted in an intro thread.

more mods would be good mel so they can automatically delete those silly spam threads...

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Posted By: Katep
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 3:36pm
Originally posted by lilfatty lilfatty wrote:

Originally posted by LittleBug LittleBug wrote:


TBH I get more annoyed at the "vote for me" threads


Yeah same .. especially since its specifically against forum rules.

I obviously dont have a problem when they do it in the due date thread (and I have been guilty of that), but when they post in general its just a pita.


Really? I never knew that and have one of those threads right now (maybe it's a personal dig at me ) all I can see is 'Absolutely NO solicitation, advertising, or promotion of your products or services, private sales or auction listings are permitted'....I dont think my DD is classified as one of those is she? And can you explain what the difference would be (in regards to forum rules) whether something is posted in the due date or General section?
I want to also point out that I am in no way being snarky or rude, nor do I want an argument, I just simply want to know and will have the thread removed if is truley against the rules and that annoying

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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 3:53pm
I agree, I don't think those "Vote for Me" threads are against the rules but I find it a bit annoying when there are different rules for some and not for others.
Case in point, the 'Absolutely NO solicitation, advertising, or promotion of your products or services' rule was broken last week (further down the list in General Chat) and the post is still there but no one has said anything. What is the point in having forum rules if no one follows them?


Posted By: Katep
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:02pm
I'm a reasonably regular poster and have been a member for 18months or so and I think it's really nice that people have helped me out. Like I said, many others help helped members win comps. I apologise for taking away your precious 5-10 seconds that it probably took to look at my post (or anyone else.

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:06pm
Originally posted by LittleSal LittleSal wrote:

I agree, I don't think those "Vote for Me" threads are against the rules but I find it a bit annoying when there are different rules for some and not for others.
Case in point, the 'Absolutely NO solicitation, advertising, or promotion of your products or services' rule was broken last week (further down the list in General Chat) and the post is still there but no one has said anything. What is the point in having forum rules if no one follows them?


i dont know which one you are talking about but do know that if you are a paying advertiser then you can list your products...

also i think it is all our responsiblity to report any posts we think are against the rules! i know i report spam posts, and ones from men offering to be sperm donors...

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Posted By: Katep
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:08pm
Ew random men as sperm donors? I have yet to see one of those!

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:09pm
oh and if you mean the kitten then they were giving it away not selling it. i have seen lots of stuff for sale threads lately... i think with the xmas hols the rule makers and enforcers have been on holiday or busy... LOL

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by Katep Katep wrote:

Ew random men as sperm donors? I have yet to see one of those!


yeah it was deleted pretty quickly i think.

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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:10pm
Not just random sperm donors, Katep, but ones offering 'natural' insemination

Vote for me threads don't bother me, unless they come from someone with two or three posts, in which case I assume they signed up to ask for votes, which is a little rude.

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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:14pm
I am talking about the promotion of the photography business. Surely that breaks the rules?


Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:25pm
but isnt that just a website showcasing her skills, not a business selling photos.. or am i still thinking of the wrong thing...

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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:30pm
She is soliciting a website that has been set up to promote her photography business. She even says that in her initial post and apologies for breaking the rules.
I don't have a personal issue with it but think it is a bit unfair if others can't promote their products or services in the same way. It really sets a precedent.


Posted By: LittleBug
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:47pm
Oh I'm sorry Katep, it really wasn't a dig at you!! You are by no means the first (or most likely the last) to make a thread to solicit votes for something. It was just an in general comment. It bugs me on FB too I wasn't trying to dig at anyone!

I think that lilfatty was trying to say that she thinks it may be okay to ask "friends" in your due date thread for votes, rather than everyone in general. Is that what you meant, lilfatty?

ETA: It used to bother me, the "vote for me" threads for baby of the week on OB, especially when there was more than one OB child up for the "competition" that week... kind of turned it into an unnecessary popularity contest.

Gosh I feel like I'm just putting my foot further into my mouth now! I'm really not taking a dig at anyone, just saying that it bothers me more when people ask for votes etc. than when randoms come in and post something relevant to a discussion.

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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:53pm
Originally posted by LittleBug LittleBug wrote:


Gosh I feel like I'm just putting my foot further into my mouth now! I'm really not taking a dig at anyone,.


I so know that feeling....but I keep on walking.

I didnt have a problem with those posts in that thread...except that it did nothing to ease my suspicion as our previous hoaxes have come armed with supportive new member friends. So their posts worked against them a little........however, Emiloly's verifying that it wasnt a hoax was good enough for me



Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 4:54pm
oh, and while my feet are in my mouth.....Bizzy, i think nappy network has something like that...if you dont post an intro your membership doesnt go through or something,,,cant remember...its just ringing bells


Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 5:03pm
dont get me wrong new members are great... but these people arent joining to be members, they are joining to argue a point or in some cases spam or sell something...

back when OB was young and little and you "knew" practically everyone on the board there wasnt even an intro thread, or rules or anything... but we arent a little board anymore, proved by the fact that quite often google results bring up OB threads.   

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Posted By: Katep
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 5:16pm
Originally posted by LittleBug LittleBug wrote:

Oh I'm sorry Katep, it really wasn't a dig at you!!


I know it wasn't, please don't apologise!

I am slightly offended that it was mentioned I was (and others) were breaking the rules....however some of the same people are supporting this other thread that has broken the rules....hmmmm DOnt's get me wrong, this person has a wonderful talent and I have even joined her FB group. And I understand that I am simply 'scabbing votes' and this other person has an actual talent...lol!
Again- not digging at people (I couldn't care less if poeple really thought I was annoying andn I am definately not wanting an up roar...I hate conflict!).

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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 5:41pm
Yea, it's a tough one. Personally, I love hearing about other people's business ventures, and am more than happy to take a peek at those of long-standing OB members (I'd rather support you guys than strangers!!)

At the same time, posts from people who sign up just to advertise something really peeve me off.

I also imagine that there's legal issues for the OB Team if people are advertising stuff (other than the banner adds) on here? P'raps not, but I thought it seemed likely.

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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 5:53pm
I think the rule is that you can't refer people to an outside website (Emma or Katherine will no doubt be along to clarify) which includes all the vote for me ones. No doubt something to do with advertisers and wanting to keep people here.

I'm fairly trigger happy with the "report post" button and will flag inappropriate threads to admin to review. The control freak in me just has to come out sometimes

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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 5:54pm
From Admin guidelines ..

You may link to other international websites when the information that you are pointing out is relevant to the topic, but links to commercial websites (ie online stores), including Trade Me are generally not allowed.

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Posted By: pepsi
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by jaz jaz wrote:

It is probably existing users wanting to say something anonymous so creating a new profile.


This would be my guess too.

Personally, I only find the voting stuff annoying if it's a totally random person who has never been on OB before, who has signed up just to get votes. If it's someone who is clearly a legitimate member, and has been around for a while then I don't see the harm in it.

There is such thing as over-moderating a forum, so I'm glad it's not like that here.


Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 6:48pm
Originally posted by LittleSal LittleSal wrote:

I agree, I don't think those "Vote for Me" threads are against the rules


I think you will find that it is ..

Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Hey all,
Just a quick reminder that we don't allow links to competitions on other sites on the forums
Thanks
The admin team


I also didnt say that Kylie's post wasnt against the rules (and actually suggested when she mentioned it on FB that it go in the Ob meet up section) I just said I find the vote for me posts more annoying because there is always someone wanting you to vote, I also think that its ok in your due thread, because you are asking your "friends" not just every tom dick and harry that frequents the oh baby forum.

Again .. all my opinion, at least I never feel the need to make up a name to express it.   (I also dont feel the need to write in size 50 font in bold bright colors to hoepfully get my point of view across)

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Posted By: Katep
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by lilfatty lilfatty wrote:



Again .. all my opinion, at least I never feel the need to make up a name to express it.   (I also dont feel the need to write in size 50 font in bold bright colors to hoepfully get my point of view across)


But big bold printing is so cool when people don't agree with your point of view



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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 7:20pm
the only reason I get annoyed by the vote for me threads is that i dont have the time to vote for everyone and then I feel guilty that I didnt vote for someones baby   I create enough mummy guilt myself...I dont need more


Posted By: Peace
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 7:41pm
Originally posted by LittleSal LittleSal wrote:

I think it is okay providing the person isn't creating a new username just to verbally attack someone. This is an open forum and I think new people should be encouraged to post. There must be hundreds of people who read and never post and I think a number would be scared off because it can almost be like a high school clique on here at times.


I agree. I hardly ever remember to post on here but I do hang about like a bad smell. I also agree with Mel, maybe there should be more moderators if you want more "policing".

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Posted By: .Mel
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 7:59pm
I'm actually surprised that there aren't more moderators on here.



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Posted By: Rachael21
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 8:09pm
I also hate the vote for me threads so I either don't go in them or vote for someone else. Actually I have issues with baby photo contests anyway I find it so wrong to vote on a baby for its cuteness and they always turn into a popularity contest anyway so why not just make it a blatant popularity contest. Anyway thats my rant for the day.

Yeah one time posters annoy me especially when it is kinda uncalled for.


Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 8:25pm
My 2c..

I like seeing others ventures, but it would be too hard for OB to police advertising vs 'hey look at what I can do' so they have to make that rule to save their own business.

I hate vote for me threads - but hey I just don't go in them - and same goes for other threads that don't interest me. I'm not going to worry about them though, there's plenty of things in life that I don't like, I just ignore them

I like the freedom of this board and while we sometimes have people coming on here to post on a particular thread or whatever, that's the nature of the internet, and if you tried to police it too much then it wouldn't be such a great place to be (I'm talking about OB, not the web in general).

Rach - I hear you on baby photo contests! I hate hate hate them with a passion. I honestly just don't get the point of it.


Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 8:34pm
Hi ladies (and gentlemen),
Wow, lots of things to address!

1. Interlopers - I know that OHbaby! is a close community, and that's one of the reasons many of you frequent OHbaby!, but it is still a public website, and the forums are open. You don't have to register to read posts, you do have to register to post messages. I agree that asking new members to post an introduction has its merits, but it may also discourage people from using the forums as it does make it look a little more "cliquey". We also don't have the technology to force new members to post in any given thread before their membership becomes active, nor do we have the time to do that manually.

2. Spam - I was under the impression that we don't have much of a problem with spam, only the occasional post? I do a check of the forums each weekday and remove any spam, but we do rely on people reporting spam posts to help us identify them as the forums are so big that even a full-time moderator would have trouble keeping on top of every single thread.

3. Reporting posts - as has been mentioned, at the top of each post is a link to report that post. These reports come thru to each of the Admin team and we address each one as soon as we possibly can, so if a particular post or thread bothers you, please do report it. We also have a filter which stops posters using offensive words.

4. Moderators - we currently have four forum moderators (the details are in the Forum Guidelines and messages from admin section, but basically it's myself, Katherine, Angela and Kelly). This seems to be working okay at this stage. We do discuss the forums at our regular team meetings so if any issues arise we can address them.

5. Guidelines on posting of external links - it appears there is a bit of confusion here, so hopefully I can clarify it a little. Links to other websites are not allowed unless it contributes to the nature of the discussion. This includes competitions and "vote for me/my child" threads. Examples of what might be acceptable are links to parenting-related articles (for example new research on immunisation, the Facebook link that was the initial source of this thread and news items in the News section), and links to products and services in the Product Reviews section where the purpose is to review a product or service, and where that product or service is NOT one in which you have a financial interest (ie. it's not a link to your own product/service). We do delete threads which contravene these guidelines, but again, we do often rely on the report posts function to notify us of these as we can't be everywhere at the same time.

I hope this answers some of the questions. Remember, too, that the OHbaby! admin team is here to help, so if you have any further questions, post them here, PM them to me, or email them to one of the admin team - our contact details are all in the Forum Guidelines section.

Have a great day!
Emma and the team at OHbaby!



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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 8:54pm
And you do a great job too, Maya. I think it's a combination of the mods (and the environment encouraged by the website) and the members, but OB is one of the most positive, friendly boards I've ever been involved with. I was gobsmacked by the lack of catfights when I joined (and distinctly remember posting something completely opposite to what someone had just said, and totally expecting to be flamed - instead I was met with a friendly, sensible answer, and I've been a keen mamber since )

ETA - a keen mamber? What's that

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Posted By: Raspberryjam
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 9:58pm
Im probably going to get shot for this but nevermind, you cant please everyone

I quite like this site the most of the time, but over the last few days I have been quite shocked at how insensitive people are, and sometimes down right rude and b***chy. We are all grown woman and mothers, or mums to be or would love to be, I think we should all be excercising alot more empathy and sensitivity.
Alot of things about being a mum or not being a mum as the case may be is tough, but loosing a child is worse.
I agree you cant always be sure if people are genuine, but generally, people dont tell tales about lost babies. And I also agree that this is a public forum.
Perhaps the moderators also need to keep an eye on people that show a little less decoram than one would expect from a lady. That being said it can be quite hard to express how a comment could be taken, maybe we all need to take more care.

No offence meant to anyone at all

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Posted By: jaycee
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 9:59pm
Just in the same vein if conversation - I have just seen a post from a new user (1 post) looking for an egg donor . .

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Posted By: Rachael21
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:03pm
Originally posted by Raspberryjam Raspberryjam wrote:

Im probably going to get shot for this but nevermind, you cant please everyone

I quite like this site the most of the time, but over the last few days I have been quite shocked at how insensitive people are, and sometimes down right rude and b***chy. We are all grown woman and mothers, or mums to be or would love to be, I think we should all be excercising alot more empathy and sensitivity.
Alot of things about being a mum or not being a mum as the case may be is tough, but loosing a child is worse.
I agree you cant always be sure if people are genuine, but generally, people dont tell tales about lost babies. And I also agree that this is a public forum.
Perhaps the moderators also need to keep an eye on people that show a little less decoram than one would expect from a lady. That being said it can be quite hard to express how a comment could be taken, maybe we all need to take more care.

No offence meant to anyone at all


We have actually had a few (well at least one I can think of right now) who have lied about losing babies so yes it does actually happen which is why a lot of us might question it. I still don't see who has been so offensive it is the internet you can't expect people to take everything at face value.


Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:07pm
Yeah not the best timing on their part, although they do have a name at the clinic to contact so they are most likely genuine.

Raspberry I tend to agree, I think with the other thread it should have been remembered that the people who were posting are women who have lost children and who personally know the women who the story was about. Once everyone knew it was genuine (and that the thread had been linked to the facebook page and they hadn't just randomly been looking for a fight) I believe some backing off should have been done. Yes their response may have came across a bit rude, but the boards response back was less than nice. These women have lost babies, something I can't even begin to comprehend and it is no wonder that they are perhaps a little more emotionally charged than most, we (as in the board) should have responded with compassion not with a "this is our board, don't like it feck off" attitude. I think given the way those threads were handled they were a lot politer than I would have been had it have been my friend and after coming to verify the story getting such an onslaught for joining an open forum

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Posted By: Raspberryjam
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:09pm
I dont expect people to take everything at face value Rach,

(That being said it can be quite hard to express how a comment could be taken, maybe we all need to take more care.) maybe the way we ask questions about things could be a bit nicer though

And I am sure there is more than the one you can think of right now, which is why I said generally people dont tell stories






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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:17pm
Originally posted by Raspberryjam Raspberryjam wrote:

I dont expect people to take everything at face value Rach,

(That being said it can be quite hard to express how a comment could be taken, maybe we all need to take more care.) maybe the way we ask questions about things could be a bit nicer though

And I am sure there is more than the one you can think of right now, which is why I said generally people dont tell stories






Golly ..

Now we have to think of flowery words to express something that can be said in less, just so someone doesnt take things the wrong way?

Even when you put a huge smiley face on the end of it some people still get offended, you really cant win with some people.

I also question the moderating posts because of unladylike decorum? Exactly who's standards are we using? As you said, we are all grown women and should learn that this is a public forum with women who come from a wide range of backgrounds (and whom a majority are hormonal), we are never going to agree on everything and should learn not to take things so personally.

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Posted By: Raspberryjam
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:28pm
well if you met me youd soon figure Im not flowery at all , I also figure just cause Im pregnant or sleep deprived I dont have the right to be a b**ch either

I havent taken any of the posts personally , I havent lost a child, I just think it was unfair of people to 'gang up' on these newbies.
And to be honest some of the things that were said were out of order and these woman had every right to bite back defenisvely, weather it was a first post or hundredth post.

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:59pm
Originally posted by Raspberryjam Raspberryjam wrote:

]Perhaps the moderators also need to keep an eye on people that show a little less decoram than one would expect from a lady.


OMG i nearly PMSL!!!!!

and what would you suggest that said moderators do once a less than ladylike lady was identified! ?

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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:59pm
and I just reread my post and it didnt say what I thought it said so I can totally see how it was misinterpretted...I am reserving the right to blame baby brain...my fingers just arent typing what my brain is saying

Has anyone seen the lastest thread??? H.O.P.E???


Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 11:00pm
that should say latest, not lastest....again..baby brain


Posted By: fatmum
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 11:28pm
I don't know how many of you watch Little Britain.. but when I read this:

Originally posted by Raspberryjam Raspberryjam wrote:

Perhaps the moderators also need to keep an eye on people that show a little less decoram than one would expect from a lady.


All I could think about was "I'm a lady!"



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Posted By: RoSee
Date Posted: 18 January 2010 at 11:39pm
This is going to be one of those topics at the end of the year in the 'Best of 2010' thread

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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 7:26am
Originally posted by Raspberryjam Raspberryjam wrote:

I just think it was unfair of people to 'gang up' on these newbies.
And to be honest some of the things that were said were out of order and these woman had every right to bite back defenisvely, weather it was a first post or hundredth post.


To me it actually looked like they ganged up on someone who asked a simple question, which in turn caused more people to come and question.

I mean she asked a simple question and instead of giving a simple answer they berated her and told everyone to go and google and research before posting anything.

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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 7:51am
Yea, I reckon we've got a responsibility to be nice. That's just plain decency. I've seen posts from time to time where I thought the same point could have been made in a much nicer way, and I kinda can't figure out why people don't take the time to do that.

On the other hand, have you seen some other forums? This one really is great! When you get a lot of different people together in one place, you're gonna get the odd difference of opinion, but I think as a whole the OB boards are great.

On the H.O.P.E. thread - after saying I hate newbies signing up to ask for something, that kind of doesn't both me quite so much. I think perhaps I'm biased - after TTC for so long, I kind of understand how you'd try anything. They're not trying to make money or win a popularity contest or something... but then again, like I said, I'm probably a bit biased.

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Posted By: Raspberryjam
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 7:52am
Morning, I never imagined that this would go down that well, but anyway I have said my piece, and either way these people have created awareness.

Im glad they posted, Id rather know about these things

Have a lovely flowery day

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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 7:54am
Can I just add that I am so touched that you all came to my defence the way you did. It was really lovely to have the support from my "friends".

I thought I was one of those that sat back and read but didnt post much (hehehe....have you seen how many posts I have done). I seriously thought I was one who blended into the scenery. Obviously I am not....or someone has been stealing my profile and clocking up posts....yeah...thats it.....they do all the insensitive posts and I only post occassionally when its really profound


Posted By: MrsH
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 7:58am
WARNING - BROAD GENERALISATION TO FOLLOW

Hey, lets face it - at the end of the day (love that cliche) we are female.

If someone says something that can be interpreted two ways, we're always going to chose the one that upset us and follow up by saying "What did you mean by that?" *add head tilt and hands on hips*

No wonder men roll their eyes, throw their hands up in defeat and avoid any questions they are asked. In fact, I believe they respond with "What would you like my answer to be?"



So yes, this is the Internet and things can be interpreted any way the READER likes. We can't try and cater for someone who may be feeling a little sensitive on any particular day.

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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 8:02am
And just what do you mean by that (adds, stomping foot to that picture )


Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 8:05am
Originally posted by MrsH MrsH wrote:

So yes, this is the Internet and things can be interpreted any way the READER likes. We can't try and cater for someone who may be feeling a little sensitive on any particular day.


Actually that is so true!

I for one know that NZPiper wasnt being malicious because she isnt that kind of person which is why so many people jumped to her defense, however when you are a newbie and dont know people and how they "speak" you could take what they innocently say offensively

Gosh .. it happens to me all the time ...

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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 8:10am
awwwww shucks......


Posted By: arohanui
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 8:15am
Originally posted by fatmum fatmum wrote:

I don't know how many of you watch Little Britain.. but when I read this:

Originally posted by Raspberryjam Raspberryjam wrote:

Perhaps the moderators also need to keep an eye on people that show a little less decoram than one would expect from a lady.


All I could think about was "I'm a lady!"




Ahhhaahaahaahaaa this actually made me laugh out loud!!! I'm still grinning lol.

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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 8:19am
If people asking for votes is annoying, I bet you'd find a post set up for the sake of getting post numbers up to be just as annoying ..so I will do 4 more posts in here. he he he


Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 8:21am
3 more


Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 8:22am
2


Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 8:22am
wahooo..7000!!!!!


Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 8:25am
I have had two occasions on this forum where I have posted and the same person has 'chased' me to get a reaction. The first time I was a relatively newbie to the site and was in a pretty bad place after a miscarriage, and I didn't come across as well or as clear as I should have, and got MAJORLY defensive, and I was jumped on. However, the second time she tried to wind me up, I just ignored her.

HOWEVER!

I have been a participant on another forum to do with horse sport, for over 10 years, and I have seen it ALL on there - anonymous postings, blatant lies which trip the poster up eventually, threats of law suits, stalking, even violent threats...!!

I still vote for the horse sport forum as being the most bitchy! PMSL!


Posted By: MaeBeeBaby
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 8:27am
Well done nzpiper!!! 7000!!!


Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 8:44am
Originally posted by MaebeeBaby MaebeeBaby wrote:

I have had two occasions on this forum where I have posted and the same person has 'chased' me to get a reaction. The first time I was a relatively newbie to the site and was in a pretty bad place after a miscarriage, and I didn't come across as well or as clear as I should have, and got MAJORLY defensive, and I was jumped on. However, the second time she tried to wind me up, I just ignored her.


Umm I think most people on here are too busy chasing their children to be chasing you, maybe you just seeing something that isnt actually there

For example its usually the same people on here that disagree with me, I dont however then imagine that they are stalking me, we just happen to have different philosphies on life so will disagree on most topics.

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Posted By: LittleBug
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 10:33am
I just wanted to say that I think OB is a really positive forum in general, and I think that Maya and the team do a great job.

Personally, I would rather take someone at face value and find out later that they were lying, than to be suspicious of every hurting person that came here for help/support etc.

I love OB, I love that it's an open forum and that people from all walks of life are *usually* welcome here, I love that people offer frank advice and that we *usually* act like civilised adults and respect each others opinions, even if they differ from ours.

I've had so much love and support from this site, I honestly don't know how I would have coped in the last few years without you awesome mummies.

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Posted By: BaAsKa
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 11:25am
Originally posted by lilfatty lilfatty wrote:



Gosh .. it happens to me all the time ...


absolutely LF - "flowery" can be offensive too - "pansy" lol just kidding!! im in a cheeky mood!!


Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 11:26am
*usually* *when* *you* *get* a *bunch* *of* *women* *together* *you* *will* *find* *they* *dont* all *agree* *on* *everything* *and* *you* will* be *bound* to *find* *cattiness*.

*usually* tho it sorts itself out in the end!

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Posted By: MummyFreckle
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 11:49am

Originally posted by lilfatty lilfatty wrote:

Originally posted by MaebeeBaby MaebeeBaby wrote:

I have had two occasions on this forum where I have posted and the same person has 'chased' me to get a reaction. The first time I was a relatively newbie to the site and was in a pretty bad place after a miscarriage, and I didn't come across as well or as clear as I should have, and got MAJORLY defensive, and I was jumped on. However, the second time she tried to wind me up, I just ignored her.


Umm I think most people on here are too busy chasing their children to be chasing you, maybe you just seeing something that isnt actually there

For example its usually the same people on here that disagree with me, I dont however then imagine that they are stalking me, we just happen to have different philosphies on life so will disagree on most topics.

I am stalking you LilFatty.,....... See you on Sat!!!!!



Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 12:10pm
Originally posted by lilfatty lilfatty wrote:

we just happen to have different philosphies on life so will disagree on most topics.


Imagine how MEGA boring it would be around here if everyone agreed with everyone else. Talk about yawn-fest!


Posted By: Shezzey
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 12:52pm

Originally posted by lilfatty lilfatty wrote:


Umm I think most people on here are too busy chasing their children to be chasing you, maybe you just seeing something that isnt actually there  

Gawd...... i think that is such a barbed reply



Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 12:53pm

Originally posted by LittleSal LittleSal wrote:

Originally posted by lilfatty lilfatty wrote:

we just happen to have different philosphies on life so will disagree on most topics.


Imagine how MEGA boring it would be around here if everyone agreed with everyone else. Talk about yawn-fest!


People might actually learn something



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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 12:57pm
Regarding the H.O.P.E thread, they have also posted this on another parenting forum I am on (treasures)
I think it is actually a smart way to go about it. There was a similar thread on there about 3 months ago and last I heard 2 women volunteered to help them and were in the process of harvesting eggs.

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Posted By: LittleBug
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:

*usually* *when* *you* *get* a *bunch* *of* *women* *together* *you* *will* *find* *they* *dont* all *agree* *on* *everything* *and* *you* will* be *bound* to *find* *cattiness*.

*usually* tho it sorts itself out in the end!


LOL Bizzy

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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by fatmum fatmum wrote:

I don't know how many of you watch Little Britain.. but when I read this:

Originally posted by Raspberryjam Raspberryjam wrote:

Perhaps the moderators also need to keep an eye on people that show a little less decoram than one would expect from a lady.


All I could think about was "I'm a lady!"



OMG Fatmum I was thinking exactly the same thing. Even reading it in his falsetto. Love the pic!

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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by Shezzey Shezzey wrote:

Originally posted by lilfatty lilfatty wrote:


Umm I think most people on here are too busy chasing their children to be chasing you, maybe you just seeing something that isnt actually there <IMG border=0 src="smileys/smiley1.gif"> 


Gawd...... i think that is such a barbed reply



In what way?

You seem to have a problem with anything I post, but I dont suggest to the entire world that you are seeking me out and posting comments about me just for the fun of it.   As I know far too well that you are far too busy getting on with your own life to seek my posts out just to berate me.



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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by LittleSal LittleSal wrote:

Originally posted by lilfatty lilfatty wrote:

we just happen to have different philosphies on life so will disagree on most topics.


Imagine how MEGA boring it would be around here if everyone agreed with everyone else. Talk about yawn-fest!


I completely agree


hahahha


Posted By: MummyFreckle
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 2:30pm
Originally posted by Shezzey Shezzey wrote:

Originally posted by lilfatty lilfatty wrote:


Umm I think most people on here are too busy chasing their children to be chasing you, maybe you just seeing something that isnt actually there  

Gawd...... i think that is such a barbed reply

Are you stirring the pot Shezzey? Its a strange thing to post if you werent.....



Posted By: BugTeeny
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 2:40pm
While I agree that forums are an open place for people to reply, I can't help but wonder what happened to the old adage "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all".

Yes, we all have differing opinions and people on here are asking for advice - it doesn't mean they're asking to be berated or told they're wrong (etc).

To me, advice (especially when it comes to parenting) = support.
So, IMO, if you can't be supportive, just don't say anything at all.

(yes, I'm hormonal and on the verge of tears. anyone for a group hug? )

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Posted By: BugTeeny
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 2:40pm
Oh, and whoever it was that posted the "I'm a lady" pic, thank you!
I showed my Mum and we had a good little giggle

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Posted By: rachelsea
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 2:48pm
Originally posted by MamaPickle MamaPickle wrote:

While I agree that forums are an open place for people to reply, I can't help but wonder what happened to the old adage "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all".

Yes, we all have differing opinions and people on here are asking for advice - it doesn't mean they're asking to be berated or told they're wrong (etc).

To me, advice (especially when it comes to parenting) = support.
So, IMO, if you can't be supportive, just don't say anything at all.

(yes, I'm hormonal and on the verge of tears. anyone for a group hug? )


Wasn't planning on getting involved in this thread, but just wanted to say I AGREE!!!! Well put MamaPickle and YAY for group hugs!!!

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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by MamaPickle MamaPickle wrote:

While I agree that forums are an open place for people to reply, I can't help but wonder what happened to the old adage "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all".

Yes, we all have differing opinions and people on here are asking for advice - it doesn't mean they're asking to be berated or told they're wrong (etc).

To me, advice (especially when it comes to parenting) = support.
So, IMO, if you can't be supportive, just don't say anything at all.




I think that gets back to Bizzy's original point of people jumping on this board just to complain and berate others

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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 19 January 2010 at 3:15pm
So often I have seen people ask for "advice" on here only to get all upset if someone offers them an alternative point of view to their own.

I think often people aren't actually asking for advice, they are just wanting to be heard and maybe should make that clear in the first instance.



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