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Topic: House of Pox!
Posted By: Bizzy
Subject: House of Pox!
Date Posted: 22 January 2010 at 6:14pm
i think a few of us have poxy kids at the moment.

My older boy has just started breaking out in spots too now, and hopefully he will be done by the time school starts. I didnt want him to miss that first week back.

Lucky for him we didnt notice till after we had been to the movies!

So come join me if you too have a house of pox... Oh and if you want your kids to catch it do feel free to come over for a visit!

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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 22 January 2010 at 6:34pm
That reminds me, I really should get Dan vaccinated!

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 22 January 2010 at 6:50pm
how long does the vaccination last for flissty?

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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 22 January 2010 at 7:04pm
Pass. I know nothing about it (other than many paeds recommend it and I can't afford all the time off work if Daniel had to be in quarantine - already been there done that for a chicken pox scare)

Here we go ... (from IMAC)

A vaccine given by injection is available for those aged over 9 months. Most people (95%) who have this vaccine will not get chicken pox, but if someone who has had the vaccine does get chickenpox, it is usually very mild. The vaccine costs approximately $60-$90 per dose. Also, if given within 3-5 days of exposure, the vaccine may prevent, or will modify, the severity of chickenpox.

How long does the protection from the vaccine last?

Studies in Japan show protection more than 20 years after immunisation. In the USA where the vaccine has not been in use as long, follow-up studies also show that almost all vaccinated individuals remain immune.



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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 22 January 2010 at 7:16pm
In australia they vax against CP as a standard vax.



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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 22 January 2010 at 10:09pm
The official word on the vaccinations is 10 years but like Flissty said the trials in Japan are showing immunity at 20yrs+

We only got Rowan done because the studies also indicate that it may help prevent shingles too (even if she does get the pox) as shingles are not likely to develop from the cultured strain used in the vaccine - and DH's family is bad for that so I didn't want to risk it.



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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 9:23am
Make sure you take yourself to some chicken pox parties then if you vaccinate your kiddies for CP. The best way to avoid shingles is exposure to CP.

You also need to get a booster vax for cp after a couple of years.

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Posted By: emz
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 12:28pm
Oh I feel for you Bizzy!

We were hoping the kids got them from DC before I started back at work but alas no. So fingers crossed when they do get them it's during school holidays


Posted By: WestiesGirl
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 3:10pm
Originally posted by Aliasmum Aliasmum wrote:

In australia they vax against CP as a standard vax.

Yep its done at 18 months old. Even though Jackson has them we will still get him vaccinated

Were up to day 5 now and we are still finding new spots coming up. Is that normal??

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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by rianna08 rianna08 wrote:


Yep its done at 18 months old. Even though Jackson has them we will still get him vaccinated
Were up to day 5 now and we are still finding new spots coming up. Is that normal??

How come you are going to get him vaxed when he has already had them? I doubt he will be eligible, and as CP stays in the body forever, the vax will just add to that

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Posted By: WestiesGirl
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 3:22pm
The Dr said that its still advisable to vaccinate. Albiet we didnt think to question him cos we were preoccupied with Jackson and his pox, so not sure of his reasoning behind it.

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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 3:25pm
Originally posted by rianna08 rianna08 wrote:

The Dr said that its still advisable to vaccinate. Albiet we didnt think to question him cos we were preoccupied with Jackson and his pox, so not sure of his reasoning behind it.

On the immunise.health.gov.au site it says
"This Program commenced on 1 November 2005. It provides free varicella vaccine for all children at 18 months of age and a catch-up program for children aged 10-13 years who have not received varicella vaccine or who have not had the disease."

Im not 100% if that reads as only the 10-13yrs who have not had the disease, or everyone.

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Posted By: WestiesGirl
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 3:28pm
Hmm good to know, thanks. Will have another chat to the Dr about it.

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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 3:34pm
Originally posted by rianna08 rianna08 wrote:

Hmm good to know, thanks. Will have another chat to the Dr about it.

No problem
I hope your little man is doing okay

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Posted By: WestiesGirl
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 4:15pm
Yeah he's getting there Just time and keeping an eye on him.

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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 8:46pm
Oh dear Bizzy . 2 down, one to go huh? We'll come visit, pox don't scare us (anymore )...

Originally posted by kellie kellie wrote:

Make sure you take yourself to some chicken pox parties then if you vaccinate your kiddies for CP. The best way to avoid shingles is exposure to CP.


That's not the case, once you've had chicken pox, the virus lies dormant and can present as shingles at any given stage in the future. If you've been vaccinated against the virus (varicella zoster) then you won't develop chicken pox or shingles. That's assuming the vaccine is effective, I'm not sure what % of people contract the virus after vaccination, but I do know that when the vaccine was added to the schedule in Australia, chicken pox rates dropped dramatically.


Rianna08 - yep, that's normal unfortunately . My older three had all their spots by about day 3, but lil miss had a cracker of a dose and was still getting new spots after a week. She ended up in hospital as we couldn't get her temp down and the doc there said it can take as long as 10 days for all the spots to come out .



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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 9:03pm
Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

Oh dear Bizzy . 2 down, one to go huh? We'll come visit, pox don't scare us (anymore )...

Originally posted by kellie kellie wrote:

Make sure you take yourself to some chicken pox parties then if you vaccinate your kiddies for CP. The best way to avoid shingles is exposure to CP.


That's not the case, once you've had chicken pox, the virus lies dormant and can present as shingles at any given stage in the future. If you've been vaccinated against the virus (varicella zoster) then you won't develop chicken pox or shingles. That's assuming the vaccine is effective, I'm not sure what % of people contract the virus after vaccination, but I do know that when the vaccine was added to the schedule in Australia, chicken pox rates dropped dramatically.


Rianna08 - yep, that's normal unfortunately . My older three had all their spots by about day 3, but lil miss had a cracker of a dose and was still getting new spots after a week. She ended up in hospital as we couldn't get her temp down and the doc there said it can take as long as 10 days for all the spots to come out .



I meant if you vaccinate your kiddies, the parent of the vaxxed kids should go to the parties, as the best way to help prevent shingles reappearing in later life is exposure to others with CP :)
Unfortunately I have become a bit of an expert on shingles lately, I have just recovered from a rather severe dose of them.

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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 9:05pm
But if the child has been vaccinated against pox, they also won't get shingles - both are caused by the same virus.

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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 9:08pm
Originally posted by Maya Maya wrote:

But if the child has been vaccinated against pox, they also won't get shingles - both are caused by the same virus.

Hehe, I mean the PARENT needs to go to the parties...as most of us have had chickenpox, and now with all our kiddies getting vaxxed we won't be exposed to it, thus increasing instances of shingles in our generation.



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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 9:09pm
Oh I see what you mean, the *parents* should expose themselves to the pox. Sorry, misread that.

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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 9:09pm
Snap lol!

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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 9:11pm


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Posted By: blondy
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 9:17pm
Originally posted by kellie kellie wrote:

Hehe, I mean the PARENT needs to go to the parties...as most of us have had chickenpox, and now with all our kiddies getting vaxxed we won't be exposed to it, thus increasing instances of shingles in our generation.


Generally shingles occurs in people (altready infected with the varicella zoster virus - aka CP/shingles virus) that have weakened immune systems. Exposure to more CP might boost your immune response slightly, but I don't know if it would prevent a shingles outbreak/recurrence?

Sometimes the VZV vaccine can be given post-CP exposure to lessen the severity of the disease. http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab001833.html - Here is a link about that.

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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 9:23pm
Originally posted by blondy blondy wrote:

Originally posted by kellie kellie wrote:



Generally shingles occurs in people (altready infected with the varicella zoster virus - aka CP/shingles virus) that have weakened immune systems. Exposure to more CP might boost your immune response slightly, but I don't know if it would prevent a shingles outbreak/recurrence?

Sometimes the VZV vaccine can be given post-CP exposure to lessen the severity of the disease. http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab001833.html - Here is a link about that.

I had heard from a few sources that exposure to cp may help to prevent shingles in later life
Quote from this page http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2563790/ - link
"Shingles is caused by reactivation of latent varicella zoster virus, which is thought to occur when specific cell mediated immunity declines. The lifetime risk of shingles is 10%–30% and increases with age, affecting up to half of people who live to 85 years. We know that exposure to chickenpox can significantly prevent or delay shingles (by exogenous boosting of immunity).6 Increased annual chickenpox rates in children under 5 are associated with reduced shingles in the 15–44 age group. Having a child in the household reduced the risk of shingles for about 20 years, the more contact with children the better, and general practitioners and paediatricians have a statistically significant lowering of risk,7 possibly because of their contact with sick children (teachers did not have a significantly reduced rate).8,9"

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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 10:00pm
Yep I did some research too and they do think that as more of the younger population gets immunised more of the older population will get shingles. They're actually working on a shingles vaccine (in the states I think) because of it.

Kellie I knew what you meant - it's a good point.

ETA: By random coincidence I happened to be flicking through an old Aussie WW today and there was an article on the CP vaccine and it did say the older kids only got the vaccine if they hadn't been vaccinated before AND hadn't got the virus.

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Posted By: blondy
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 10:11pm
Really interesting to hear about that research. Thanks for the link Kellie And it will be interesting too to see whether the incidence of shingles does increase - I guess the US and Aussie will show us, as they both have more or less compulsory vaccination including the CP vaccine.

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Posted By: pikelets
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 10:20pm
Is it free here or do we have to pay?? Im confused.

I hadn't even thought about giving DS the vacine but now Im not so sure



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Posted By: WestiesGirl
Date Posted: 23 January 2010 at 10:58pm
Thaks for all the info ladies.

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Posted By: jaz
Date Posted: 24 January 2010 at 9:14pm
Both my kids have had the pox but I haven't. Seeing as how I 'nursed' them through it I suspect I have a natural immunity. Still, not willing to take any chances so I'll give you a wide berth atm Deb.

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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 24 January 2010 at 9:53pm
Star you have to pay here. It's about $90 and you need to let them know ahead of time as some clinics don't keep it on hand due to the short shelf life.


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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 25 January 2010 at 7:47am
Poor gabriel has it much worse than his brother did. His poor face is very spotty, and he has bloodshot eyes too.

And i think i saw a spot on Eden last night too, so that will be all of them done and dusted for the pox!

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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: 25 January 2010 at 9:15am
Oh poor Gabriel Has he managed to avoid the temps?
Still as you say, at least it's going to be all over soon. Would be worse if you had to wait for Eden to catch it from Gabriel and it was drawn out even longer.

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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 25 January 2010 at 9:34am
yep gabriel has a temperature.   Hes just now got out of bed, and so far seems in good spirits though!

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Posted By: WestiesGirl
Date Posted: 25 January 2010 at 6:48pm
Jackson has had a low grade temp for a few days now. Nothing thats worrying us at this stage and its not been over 37.5 degrees. Should we just keep monitoring it and giving paracetamol or see the Dr? He is generally ok aside from normal pox grumpiness.

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