Immunisation question
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Topic: Immunisation question
Posted By: JessDub
Subject: Immunisation question
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 11:28am
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Please, I'm not wanting to start a bun fight, but I'm genuinely curious...
To the parents who choose not to vaccinate your children, do you vaccinate your dogs? ------------- 
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 12:18pm
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I literally LOL'd
However ... Im not sure how its relevant, I mean, the dog probably sleeps outside too, but I doubt the children do.  ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year  http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 12:28pm
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what about your cats? or rabbits?
frankly you must be mad if you want dogs and cats and kids! I wish i had tried pets first!  ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 12:33pm
Pets are easier - you can't kick the kids outside in the middle of the night when they wake you up cause they want attention!  ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: clover
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 12:49pm
| I can't for the life of me understand how one relates to the other.... I didn't think that dogs were immunised with the same vaccines that children are? |
Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 12:50pm
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What a strange question! LOL
May I ask why you are asking this? I am genuinely curious now too! ------------- 
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Posted By: ItchyFeet
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 1:00pm
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I can understand the link between worming animals and children, but I'm also curious about the vaccinations.
http://www.ruralliving.co.nz/cms/regulars/pet_passion/2008/08/art1000373.php - Worming animals and children ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 1:01pm
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I don't think it is an odd question at all. I have looked into the animal vaccines quite a bit and after reading lots on it I couldn't find anything that was less than 15 years out of date, I then spoke to the vet, who was obviously pro vaccination and weighed up the pros and cons. I still doesn't sit quite right with me but I was taking my dogs to a national dog assembly so I had them redone (they had been done as pups) I will not be getting them done yearly though.
I don't think she is worried about the dogs passing something to kids more the damage vaccines could do to her pets. There is as much controversy around animal vaccines as there are around human ones. ------------- 
 
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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 1:08pm
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She has stated before that she is pro vax, so I took it to mean something else. -------------
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Posted By: ItchyFeet
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 1:09pm
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Sorry, just remembered leptospirosis, which does transfer to humans from dogs (actually most mammals I think - I know someone who got it from a rat bite). But I thought that was more likely for rural animals e.g. farm dogs that would come into contact with children.
http://www.leptosure.co.nz/node/2 - Leptospirosis ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 1:10pm
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I get my cat vaccinated annually so she can go on her holidays to the cattery at Christmas time. Can't go without them. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 1:18pm
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To answer the question:
I don't vaccinate as my son had a serious reaction. I don't own any animals anyway, but if I did I would vaccinate them. If they had a very bad reaction I wouldn't get them jabbed again -------------
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Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 1:32pm
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I assume she is making the point that if you don't vaccinate your kids because you are concerned anout the effects of the vaccine, then do you also not vaccinate your animals for the same reason.
ETA...we do our cat coz there is no choice if he is going into cattery plus I don't want him to get sick ...same goes for my baby (except he doesn't stay in a cattery). ------------- 
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Posted By: Febgirl
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 1:33pm
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To be honest I've felt like this before. I don't hesitate to vaccinate my pets against diseases, so the same goes for my children. ------------- Two little girls under 2! 
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Posted By: JessDub
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 1:44pm
That pretty much sums it up. If you choose not to vaccinate your child - for whatever reason at all - do you not vaccinate your pet too? Our dog won't get accepted into a boarding kennel if she is not vaccinated, so in a way, it's been made compulsary for us. I've also seen an unvaccinated dog dying of parvo and it's bloody unpleasant to say the least. Vaccinations for dogs are no 'conspiracy' in my eyes, whereas some might argue differently for human vaccines. Anyway, thanks for your responses. -------------
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NatsCats wrote:Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 1:52pm
Ok I didn't know that. To answer the question then, I have had all my pets longer than my children and they were all blindly vaccinated in the usual annual manner without even a second thought about it, the same as I have had myself vaccinated for things due to the nature of the industry I use to work in and I had those done without even thinking about it or asking any question. But once I did look into vaccines and had my eyes opened to it I questioned getting my pets done and until last October they had not had any annual jabs (but had all been done as younger animals). I got my dogs done because I couldn't find any up to date research, the research I did find was American and we don't use the same injections so it was mostly all irrelevant and I can't find a homeopathic vet in NZ (they do exist in other countries, I'm not making it up) and I was taking them to an extremely large gathering of animals where the likelihood that they could pick something up is higher. I have not had my cats redone though. I'm not sure what I will do with any future pets, if it's a kitten then likelihood is that it would have been jabbed before it even gets sold so I will have no say and if it's a pup well then I guess I would have another go at finding some up to date research on it all and failing that I would mostly likely choose to do them as a pup but not again. (and that decision is based on the research I did find stating that the vaccines do not wear off and do not need to be done yearly, even the american association of vets are questioning why they are done yearly when they should provide cover for the lifespan of you average dog/cat). -------------
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 1:54pm
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Interesting that you say it is no conspiracy when vaccinations make up about 80% of the revenue through you average vet clinic.....hmmmmmmm -------------
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Posted By: Turtle
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 2:00pm
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I am undecided about vaccinations for my baby yet, but my dog and both my cats are vaccinated.
Unlike with my child when he/she is small, I have little control on who my cats socialise with in the early hours of the morning, and there are some areas nearly with a number of strays. Also, if my cat was to get sick, she isn't going to come and tell me, or be around the house for me to notice the same as my child will - much harder to be proactive with a sick cat! My dog socialises with other dogs and goes to events where there are other dogs, that is why he gets vaccinated. |
Posted By: RinTinTin
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 2:01pm
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I think the question is relevant in that she's possibly trying to ask, in a round about way, why you would protect your dog against diseases with vaccinations...yet not your children? We do the initial shots for our dogs but do not vaccinate again after that. I find the situations to be somewhat different on many levels but as you don't want a bun fight (and neither do I), I'll keep those reasons for another day.  And we have chosen not to vaccinate our son. Just in case that wasn't clear at first. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: JessDub
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 2:04pm
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That's really interesting two_boys. How do you know that?
For the vet bills we've paid, a leaky urethra seems to make up a large proportion of our vet's revenue. LOL. -------------
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 2:20pm
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I worked at a vet clinic last year (small animal) the vast majority of appointments were vaccinations, I would say at least 3/4 of appointments. I'm not sure it is actually 80% of their revenue but it would be very high with most of the rest of the money coming from selling prescription diets, every other animal out of the consult room went home with a prescription diet of some sort, cos they were too fat, too skinny, too active, too lathargic, itchy, urine problem, whatever, seems to be a prescription diet for everything.
So an average day was full of vaccinations, dog/cat neuter and spays and selling prescription diets. In comparison everything else that happened was rather small, even if individually those bills are higher. -------------
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 2:22pm
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After having my kitten die after picking up an infection from a cattery, I am very pro-vax for my pets.
Our baby isn't born yet, haven't decided if they'll be vaccinated yet or not, DH and I have differing views as he got the MMR vaccine and still developed measles anyways, so not sure at the effectiveness. In saying that I still have immunity from rubella 24 years after receiving the vaccine something I'm very glad off now that I am pregnant. I do get the impression that in the States particularly they have a lot of vaccinations some 30+ in the first few years of life, that seems excessive to me ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: palomino
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 2:37pm
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We have a bit of a menagerie so here goes what we do and dont.
Dogs get vax when puppies (mainly for parvo) nothing after a year, dont need the kennel cough one as they dont go out. Cats Get 2 when they are kittens mainly for cat flu and then none. Horses get strangles and tetanus Rabbits i used to get done against calici but then 2 of mine died from calici so wasnt worth it. Have one now that is not vax and hes going strong. And for the main man, he has been vaccinated, although we are coming up to the 15months ones and im still deciding |
Posted By: BugTeeny
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 3:01pm
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We are vaxing parents, but only the "normal" ones.
We didn't opt in for MenzB or Prevenar. Our dog is vaccinated. She has to be for kennel stays, but we'd do it anyway. The cats were for the first few years, but we can't get them in the car for love nor milk, so they haven't been vaccinated for a number of years. We flea/worm them though. ------------- 
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 3:04pm
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We don't have dogs but we have cats and nope we don't vaccinate them or our baby. Edited to add...actually our cat was vaccinated about 12 years ago for flu I think but we haven't 'updated' her shots for donkeys years now. When I had horses I vaccinated them against tetnus when they had an injury that warranted it...just as I plan to do with my daughter and I do for myself. It's the 'blanket vaccination in case something dire happens' that we don't do -------------   http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Kalimirella
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 4:56pm
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Hmm its an interesting question,
We only have cats and as far as I know (bar the one from the SPCA) none of them have had much in the way of vaccinations, maybe a cpl as kittens. We intend to have baby vaccinated for polio etc, but I'm quite keen to read up more on the subject as I was vaccinated as a kid and also had measles, I've also read that vaccinations don't always give immunity (not sure if this is the same between humans and animals) so being vaccinated isn't 100% surety of not getting the disease/virus anyway.... Sorry rambling here :P ------------- Kiara is 3 and Teagan is 2, now we're expecting our long awaited 3rd! http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: MissAngel
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 5:09pm
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We vax the kid(s) and the animals. Cats have normal cat shots plus cat aids shots, dogs have normal dog shots. Have also seen a dog die of parvo and it's not nice! The only think that my family will not be getting is the new flu shot. Other than that, every other one is done. ------------- Alex, Thomas and Lily http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 5:21pm
Sorry a bit off topic but what do you mean by "they don't go out"? We vaccinate our cat and our two dogs blindly. I haven't done any research into it at all so this thread is really interesting, especially because I am taking my cat to get his annual vax this week! |
Posted By: JessDub
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 5:27pm
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*shame* We're a doggy family and I didn't know cats (and horses!) were vaccinated too. Makes sense though.
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Posted By: Jelly
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 6:23pm
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We're pretty standard in that our 3 cats and the dog have all had their first lot of shots as babies, but never the annual booster ones. Only one of our cats is vaccinated against feline aids, and only because the vet put quite a lot of pressure on us. Also he was probably high risk to catch it since he gets beaten up so often, poor thing. The other two cats never get in fights.
As for Caleb... We still haven't made a decision there.  ------------- http://lilypie.com">  
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Posted By: palomino
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 6:32pm
our dogs dont go to kennels and shows where they have to be vaccinated against kennel cough. |
Posted By: kiwi2
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 10:37pm
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We just brought our cat and dog to nz and had to get every vaccination around to get them in the country.
Now our kids had to be vaccinated or they couldn't go to school in the usa. A bit like the cats and the cattery. No up to date vaccine record no school. So we are one huge vaccinated family. Not a lot of choice in it other than where we chose to live or move to. lol. |
Posted By: kiwisj
Date Posted: 16 March 2010 at 11:53pm
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Same here kiwi2, C will need measles vax to attend school here in Singapore, if we stay that long, and they don't do the MMR separately so therefore he needs to have up to date MMR jabs to go to school.
Interesting topic though, we don't have pets at the mo but have always vaxed our family cats and dogs in the past (back in NZ). ------------- SJ Callum - Dec 2008 Daniel - Oct 2010 |
Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 10:07am
Oh ok, that makes sense HUNTD, when you said your dogs didn't go out I thought you meant that they didn't leave the house!! 
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Posted By: palomino
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 11:21am
| Sorry should have said they dont leave the farm then |
Posted By: Nutella
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 4:00pm
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Interesting topic for sure..what do people do with their pets (cats) when they go away? Don't have a choice in catteries.
Our cat has always had the booster shots every year and it has done him no harm and he is 14 this year, still climbs trees, attempts to chase bugs and birds etc... -------------
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 17 March 2010 at 4:21pm
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Call a neighbour/friend/housesitter/Pet Angel to mind them ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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