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Topic: 20/20 tonight
Posted By: GuestGuest
Subject: 20/20 tonight
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 9:46am
....is on extended breastfeeding (or whatever the politically correct term is!) Thought some of you may be interested
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Posted By: lisa85
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 9:49am
Yay might have to watch that. EBF fascinates me.
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Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 9:57am
Posted By: kiwigal
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 9:58am
It has been on before and some of the kids were school age and still b/fing.
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Posted By: E&L+1
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 9:59am
The ad for this sparked an interesting conversation with DP regarding how long we will BF for, so will be watching with intrest!
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 10:32am
IMO I think its weird and b/f after 2 years is strange - breast milk is baby food after all - b/f at school age grosses me out.
Up until the invention of the pill allowing for family planning, b/f would have automatically stopped at 18 months to 2 years as then next baby would have been there by then.
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 10:39am
DP and I talked about this, I am going to watch it, he isn't. I plan to breast feed until 1-2 years but dp thinks going to 2 years is gross!!
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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 10:42am
I have a friend who still breastfeeds her 2 and a half year old which I think is quite cool but I'm not sure if I would be that keen to do it myself.
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 10:53am
thanks LR I am going to watch it. I could not imaging BF a school kid...or want to.
I had always planned to BF till at least 1yr but it never worked out that well for me.
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 11:45am
If you are listening to Michael Laws they are having an interesting discussion on it.
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 11:46am
I've watched it before, it will be interesting watching it again as they've gone back & interviewed some of the kids now that they are older.
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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 11:51am
What is Michael Law's take on it? I'm sure I can guess!
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Posted By: WestiesGirl
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 11:57am
Thanks LR. Im wondering if I can stream it here. Will get DH to lookie for me. What time is it on in NZ?
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 12:00pm
He is supportive but he's trying to find out why feeding a 5 year old or older is necessary. ie On what medical grounds.
My hubby just text " Ru listening 2 the radio? U have 2 breast feed Cooper until he is 5" what a
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Posted By: Cassie
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 12:02pm
Might have to give it a watch. I'm still bfing Lauren, and will do until she's ready to give it up - though I don't think it will last much past 2. Just because a new baby arrives, doesn't mean you have to stop feeding the older one though! lol I'll be tandem feeding, and have heard lots of positive stuff about it. I'd hate for Lauren to feel like she was being cut off just because a new baby has arrived.
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Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 12:02pm
Hehe, tell him you were thinking more like 10
Rianna, it's on TV2 at 9.30pm. You should be able to watch it on TVNZ on Demand?
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Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 12:09pm
Kali1 wrote:
Might have to give it a watch. I'm still bfing Lauren, and will do until she's ready to give it up - though I don't think it will last much past 2. Just because a new baby arrives, doesn't mean you have to stop feeding the older one though! lol I'll be tandem feeding, and have heard lots of positive stuff about it. I'd hate for Lauren to feel like she was being cut off just because a new baby has arrived. |
I was still breastfeeding my daughter when I was pregnant with my son..my mil said I should wean her as she may get jealous when I am feeding the baby..I had no intention of weaning her and was leaving it up to her...as it happneed she self weaned a couple of months later but would have been happy to tandem feed.
my personal limit is 3 years but after 18 months would mostly be at home
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Posted By: SMoody
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 12:18pm
You know what. I have a very interesting question to ask.
Do anyone here give milk to their toddler over the age of 2? Do anyone on here get a bit worried when their kiddy doesnt drink the follow up milk or cows milk when they are a toddler? It is all about the calcium at young age right?
Now I just want to honestly know (because to me this is to do with society thinking it is all abnormal now, but wasnt in the past) why is it wrong giving milk to a toddler made from a human to a human. And why is it right giving milk from a cow made for a calf to a toddler?
Would it be acceptable to express the milk and give it in a mug? So the problem then is the "containers" the milk comes in?
As everyone see I do do extended breastfeeding. I cant really say what is suppose to be a cut of date. But loads of moms that do extend breastfeeding have said that the suck that the child needs to get milk changes round and about between 3 and 5 and they are not able to really get much milk in. (which to me indicate that is natures way and was perhaps meant to be). I did breastfeed my girl to 2 years 8 months and she gave it up. Will do the same for my boy.
And no I am not trying to be too argumentative (okay perhaps a teeny weeny bit as to me it seems absurb that you get labeled an extremist for it.)
And the examples they have out there is not of the best it was almost as they went out getting the most extreme they could.
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Posted By: _SMS_
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 12:30pm
I always thought BFing a 2 year old is a bit weird. But the longer you BF your child the less weird it seems. IYKWIM?
I stopped BFing Taylah when she was 8 1/2 months, i wish i had of kept going until 1sh. I think personally One is a good age.
I dont think children who are 3 and over should be breastfeed. I find it gross too
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Posted By: lovingmummyhood
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 12:35pm
I will be watching this. I think I've seen it before though.
Before I had DS I was originally in the 'if they're old enough to ask, they're too old' camp, but that has now changed. I'm pretty sure I won't be feeding him when he's at school lol, but I am interested to see and hear what the kids and parents say tonight.
WHO recommends 2 years and if I remember rightly the world average is 4 years, so its just westernised society who sees extended breastfeeding as 'weird' or 'wrong' because breasts have become sexualised, rather than what they are intended for.
Also, I don't remember who said breastmilk is baby food, but I read an article a while ago about a guy with cancer who was drinking his daughter's expressed breastmilk and apparently it seemed to be having a positive effect.
The benefits obviously extend beyond infancy. Wonder if its actually been researched...
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Posted By: BeLoved
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 12:42pm
Personally I feel its each to their own and as long as you are doing it for your childs needs & not your own then whats the problem?
I have seen the doco before and parts of it grossed me out a bit, I must admit.
Did anyone see the young female journalist, Alison? on Breakfast say that she was BF till she was 7, her Mum is high up in LLL. You should have seen Paul Henry's face he was gobsmacked, he was actually lost for words, which was a good thing as he could have really offended people, but after hearing how nonchalant she was about saying that and was not embarassed at all, it made me think "whats the big deal?".....don't get me wrong I don't think I would BF past 2 but then who knows? I stopped BF DD when she was 6 - 7 months I think and I really wish I had continued.
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 12:49pm
Cripes if I breastfeed my DD, I'm sure she'd bite me just for the hell of it!
Totally get you Sabrina..the longer you feed for the less weird it is. I had real reservations about bfing a boy for long but I am actually enjoy it more now at this age than I have the whole way through. I guess cause we're interacting more in the arvo feeds??? Up til now it's been just an I'm hungry, have a feed & that's it.
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Posted By: Cassie
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 1:00pm
AndCsmum, there is something really special about breastfeeding a toddler, the interaction does change and its a really nice bonding/close time as well as a good source of nutrition. I tell you what, when L got sick a couple weeks ago and wasn't eating/drinking anything/only wanted the boob, I was so grateful that I could still provide for her because otherwise I think she would have gotten much sicker.
it definitely is each to their own, and I agree with the comment about westernized thinking being more sexualised towards breasts than in some other parts of the world. There are so many people who believe 6months-1yr is when you should stop, yet the WHO suggests 2yrs. Huge difference in opinion between whats considered normal and whats recommended. If EBF is working or a family, whose to knock it? If bottle feeding/formula is working for a family, who is to knock that either? As long as we're giving our little ones what they need, thats the main thing.
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 1:16pm
Smoody I also find it odd that milk from a cow is fine but milk from a human is weird.
Maybe people would find it weird if we suckled from a cow rather than buying it all packaged up at the supermarket. Maybe if EBM was on the shelfs next to formula or milk no one would think twice about it.
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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 1:18pm
Apparently the worldwide average age of weaning is 4 years old.
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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 1:22pm
what other people choose to do is their business , I myself prefer to breastfeed til either one ,or just over.
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 1:38pm
I'm all for "ectended" breastfeeding, as in I wish more people would do it over 6 months, but really I wish people would do it beyond 12 months. What brasses me off about these docos is they find the extremes, which makes it "bad" for the rest of us who have fed longer tahn 6 months , having to defend our choices. In my dream land, breastfeedign a toddler would be seen as normal, not abnormal and no one would have a problems wit it.
I fed Charly til 2 and I can toally second that feeding a toddler is really lovely.
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Posted By: palomino
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 2:55pm
It really is lovely, and for the most part people wouldnt really know that B is still breastfed. Not that we try and hide it, just he has a quick feed in the mornings and then before bed. Probably wont be so fun if he starts lifting my top or doing things like that in public. Last time the doco was on i was still pregnant and hoping that i could last 6months!
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 5:19pm
Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 5:23pm
Hahahaha you guys will be lucky that you don't have my boy. If he wants boob & he's on my knee, he pulls at my top! He only does this though at his feeding times.
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Posted By: blondy
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 5:32pm
I fed till Nat was 15months, and would have gone for longer, but with her allergies, I had already been on a restricted diet for about 10months, and it just got too much for me! (yes, a bit selfish ).
Totally for EBF, as long as Mum and toddler are both happy with it!
And has anyone thought that from an evolutionary perspective, the age we generally lose our 'milk' teeth is around 5-7, which is our bodies naturally saying that milk becomes less important to us than solid food....so biologically, it appears we are designed to be breastfed until about that age.
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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 5:37pm
AandCsmum wrote:
Hahahaha you guys will be lucky that you don't have my boy. If he wants boob & he's on my knee, he pulls at my top! He only does this though at his feeding times. |
Funny my boy does this too,
Except by boy I mean husband
and by hungry I mean horny
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Posted By: ALittleLoopy
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 6:42pm
couldnt read and run without adding my opinion...
each to their own as of course every family is different and some work and some dont and this would play a major factor....I hope to BF and would love to for a min of 1 year but would like to go till self weaning or maybe 2...after that i find a little weird too TBH...ill be happy to BF at all though as i would hate to have not been able to at all...
Oh and I was only BF till 6months coz thats all mum could put up with apparently lol she didnt ever have that great of a supply
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Posted By: HuntersMama
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 6:47pm
Ill be watching! I hope to BF DS until he is around 1, but we will see. Im not really sure on my opinion - I think people do what is best for them and their child.
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Posted By: nuts_nats
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 7:23pm
I think I have seen this doco before, and yes it was a little creepy but that seems to have been the point and the tone of the show... finding extremes and pointing the finger, I think there are probably very few mums who actually still BF their school age child!
What is actually considered 'extended breast feeding'?
After 2? Because isn't it recommended babies are breastfed until 2 years ideally? I don't like to judge people for their choices regarding how they raise their kids and something like BF is a very personal choice, you shouldn't stop just because other people say you should!
However I think after a point its stops JUST being about a mother's personal choice and the child should be considered... I would be interested to know what those kids are like long term. How emotionally healthy is say a 5 year old still BF?They are probably going to be very attached to mum and maybe less of an independent young person??
If I remember this doco correctly it seemed to me these mums just had trouble letting go! Sure maybe your kid 'wants' to keep BF but I know men that would probably still be doing it if mum didnt say when at some point hehe
I will let my daughter lead the way and BF her has long as she needs, but think there is a natural time to wean from BF... I wouldn't think twice about 2 or 3 but anything after 4 starts to be a little extreme!
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 7:30pm
I think after 12 months is considered extended.
I haven't seen the show before but I'm sure someone else posted that this is a revisit and they have the children talking now they are older and their views on it.
I don't think BF would make a child over attached though, especially as toddlers generally don't feed much.
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 7:48pm
Apparently they have started making cheese out of breast milk (humans) in the States... I thought that was interesting!
Ideally I would love to BF until bubs self weans, but having not started yet I dont want to act all cocky about it and fail (for some reason).
I would also love to see 'milk bank' type things in NZ, that would be awesome.
Sorry I guess half of that was rather off topic!
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Posted By: Emmi_
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 7:48pm
hmm no idea why that double posted!!
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Posted By: _SMS_
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 7:50pm
HeidisMum wrote:
Personally I feel its each to their own and as long as you are doing it for your childs needs & not your own then whats the problem?
I have seen the doco before and parts of it grossed me out a bit, I must admit.
Did anyone see the young female journalist, Alison? on Breakfast say that she was BF till she was 7, her Mum is high up in LLL. You should have seen Paul Henry's face he was gobsmacked, he was actually lost for words, which was a good thing as he could have really offended people, but after hearing how nonchalant she was about saying that and was not embarassed at all, it made me think "whats the big deal?".....don't get me wrong I don't think I would BF past 2 but then who knows? I stopped BF DD when she was 6 - 7 months I think and I really wish I had continued. |
Oh wow i missed that. Its good to know Paul Henry didnt open his big mouth because im sure he would have been in the Sh**!!!!
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Posted By: nuts_nats
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 8:20pm
Since when does Paul Henry not open his mouth... I'm surprised LOL
Oh thats cool its a follow up, I will have to watch then!
I do hope its well balanced and shows both sides...
And breast milk cheese?? That's pretty random, what's wrong with just plain breast milk! I hope this is marketed at babies
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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 8:25pm
Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 8:29pm
Breast milk cheese?? I have visions of women in a milking shed!! That aside...brilliant idea. I can't give my baby normal cheese, why not dairy free BM cheese
Hahahaha Funny Kelly!
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Posted By: .Mel
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 9:41pm
My friend is one of the mothers on this..
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Posted By: nuts_nats
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 9:52pm
Just watched, good story Point of view seemed much more positive than the story I had seen previously, maybe a kiwi thing? Seemed very sweet and natural, not weird at all... I will definitely be keeping an open mind on how long I continue BF... good on the Mums who went on the show!
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Posted By: _SMS_
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 9:59pm
nuts_nats wrote:
Just watched, good story Point of view seemed much more positive than the story I had seen previously, maybe a kiwi thing? Seemed very sweet and natural, not weird at all... I will definitely be keeping an open mind on how long I continue BF... good on the Mums who went on the show! |
I agree. Last time i watched it while UTD and it so put me off wanting to BF. I really enjoyed it tonight, i still wouldnt feed my baby over 2 but i wont judge people that do. I do still think 5 and over was a bit too much, but like they said they dont have a reason to stop.
DP saiddam before we know it they will be straight from there Mothers breast to there Girlfriends breast, i had to laugh
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Posted By: MyLilSquishy
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 10:06pm
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DP saiddam before we know it they will be straight from there Mothers breast to there Girlfriends breast, i had to laugh  |
lol men a hehe
just watched this and i still personally dont think i would go past 2 years.... i think over 4 is a bit much, but if the mum and the child are happy to keep going then all the power to them!!! its a beautiful natural thing and am quite interested in how western civilisation have sexualised it and people judge so openly!
but anyway it was a really good piece and am glad someone has brought extended BF to the surface (IYGWIM lol)
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 10:07pm
It's not the one I thought but had little clips from the one I thought it was.
DH was in hysterics at one point.
He said I had the weirdest look on my face. I guess I was imagining still feeding Alia. I can understand 4yo but not 5yo. I guess it's all the school age thing.
The mother with the 5yo boy creeped me out (cuddles???? ) but the maori mum to the 3? kids made me feel really comfortable with it.
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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 10:17pm
Same A&C we did end up watching a bit and it wasnt the one I was thinking of either... glad I watched a bit!
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 6:54am
caliandjack wrote:
Up until the invention of the pill allowing for family planning, b/f would have automatically stopped at 18 months to 2 years as then next baby would have been there by then. |
I fell pg when BF DS2 he self weaned at 10mths & I found out I was 6weeks pg.
After watching the doco I think everyone to their own, however it is not something I would do or could do.
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 9:20am
We watched. I thought it was interesting. I was still sneakily getting the bottle at 7 and a half years! Then I decided one day I didn't want it.
I plan to feed Lily until 1-2 years, now am thinking maybe 3... DP still isn't keen, but my mum has come around and said if I want to bf her til 2 she no longer has a problem (good because I never cared anyway!), my gma has always supported me though .
I don't find it gross. I think it's great that they're still feeding. TBH My mum said she thought it would still be feeding round the clock, but that 5 yr old was only getting about 2 feeds a day.
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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 9:37am
I thought it was really good. I was disappointed they had to add the Mum in at the end saying "it nice to feel wanted and having everyone line up etc". Until that point it had really "normalised" it as people just doing what worked for them.
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Posted By: lisa85
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 9:37am
OK so this is the first doco I saw on EBF where she breeastfeeds a daughter until shes 8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxv6R9fUO74 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxv6R9fUO74 Personally after watching that doco I felt quite grossed out. I didn't think the Mother seemed all there. I had seen her on interviews and she came across a little nutty. In this doco it gets a little creepy as to how much their lives revolve around breasts. I'm sure it was amped up for tv but they have names for the breasts and they show the daughters sitting around drawing pictures of breasts etc it seemed a little over kill.
Anyhoo I must say after watching 20/20 last night my opinion has changed slightly. Personally I couldn't breastfeed past one but I don't judge those that do. I think it was a nice documentary last night and they are right I don't see any physical proof as to how EBF would damage a child so I don't see the harm. It's not for me but if others choose to do it I think that it's very natural and lovely. Although maybe once you start getting past the age of five though it's back to being over kill lol.
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Posted By: Parki
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 9:46am
Peanut wrote:
I was disappointed they had to add the Mum in at the end saying "it nice to feel wanted and having everyone line up etc". Until that point it had really "normalised" it as people just doing what worked for them. |
Agreed. As soon as she said this it backed up what DH & I discussed at the beginning of the programme.
Not my cup of tea but each to their own!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 10:36am
caliandjack wrote:
IMO I think its weird and b/f after 2 years is strange - breast milk is baby food after all - b/f at school age grosses me out.
Up until the invention of the pill allowing for family planning, b/f would have automatically stopped at 18 months to 2 years as then next baby would have been there by then. |
Can I ask CaliandJack exactly why it grosses you out ?
I confess that when I first went to LLL when dd was 3 mnths old I was weirded out by the older kids feeding.
But now having fed her for 18 mnths and now feeding DS my feelings have changed. There is nothing like BF.You get cuddles and snuggles with your child and you are giving them THE best start to life they can have. I plan to feed DS till he self weans whenever that may be.
I got pregnant while breastfeeding and continued to breastfeed til li was 6 months pregnant, when she self weaned . I as prepared to tandem feed but that never happened.
Breastfeeding isn't solely about feeding, its comfort and security as well.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 10:38am
SMoody wrote:
You know what. I have a very interesting question to ask.
Do anyone here give milk to their toddler over the age of 2? Do anyone on here get a bit worried when their kiddy doesnt drink the follow up milk or cows milk when they are a toddler? It is all about the calcium at young age right?
Now I just want to honestly know (because to me this is to do with society thinking it is all abnormal now, but wasnt in the past) why is it wrong giving milk to a toddler made from a human to a human. And why is it right giving milk from a cow made for a calf to a toddler?
Would it be acceptable to express the milk and give it in a mug? So the problem then is the "containers" the milk comes in?
As everyone see I do do extended breastfeeding. I cant really say what is suppose to be a cut of date. But loads of moms that do extend breastfeeding have said that the suck that the child needs to get milk changes round and about between 3 and 5 and they are not able to really get much milk in. (which to me indicate that is natures way and was perhaps meant to be). I did breastfeed my girl to 2 years 8 months and she gave it up. Will do the same for my boy.
And no I am not trying to be too argumentative (okay perhaps a teeny weeny bit as to me it seems absurb that you get labeled an extremist for it.)
And the examples they have out there is not of the best it was almost as they went out getting the most extreme they could.
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Posted By: Imogen
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 10:44am
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 10:51am
I would only BF to just over year, anything past that just isnt for me, Id want my boobs back! Selfish yeah maybe, but I think givjng your child a year of BF is wonderful even 6 months is! I breastfed Bella to 7 months, she self weaned, our first goal was 6 months and we got just past that and if she had of kept going past 7 months then Id have stopped just after her 1st birthday.
I missed the doco, but have seen some of it before, and a lot of it grossed me out.
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Posted By: Kellz
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 11:08am
misscheeky wrote:
SMoody wrote:
You know what. I have a very interesting question to ask.
Do anyone here give milk to their toddler over the age of 2? Do anyone on here get a bit worried when their kiddy doesnt drink the follow up milk or cows milk when they are a toddler? It is all about the calcium at young age right?
Now I just want to honestly know (because to me this is to do with society thinking it is all abnormal now, but wasnt in the past) why is it wrong giving milk to a toddler made from a human to a human. And why is it right giving milk from a cow made for a calf to a toddler?
Would it be acceptable to express the milk and give it in a mug? So the problem then is the "containers" the milk comes in?
As everyone see I do do extended breastfeeding. I cant really say what is suppose to be a cut of date. But loads of moms that do extend breastfeeding have said that the suck that the child needs to get milk changes round and about between 3 and 5 and they are not able to really get much milk in. (which to me indicate that is natures way and was perhaps meant to be). I did breastfeed my girl to 2 years 8 months and she gave it up. Will do the same for my boy.
And no I am not trying to be too argumentative (okay perhaps a teeny weeny bit as to me it seems absurb that you get labeled an extremist for it.)
And the examples they have out there is not of the best it was almost as they went out getting the most extreme they could.
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I totally agree!
I plan to bf til Aiden self weans. I used to think it was odd seeing a walking child being bf, but now after having 2 kids with allergys/intollerances I know its the best for them. There is no way he could have regular supermarket formula, so why not continue to give him the special milk thats made just for him! Its not easy, but after chnaging my diet he is thriving. I constantly have to think about what I am eating/drinking and the ammounts etc, but it is totally worth it!
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Posted By: NikkiB
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 12:23pm
To be honest, I use to think it was a bit gross EBF beyond 2 years, but a friend of mine is still BFing her 2 1/2yr old and it seems completely natural (it is natural, but YKWIM). And there seems to be so many benefits for both mother and child. Each to their own, I say.
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Posted By: RedHeadDuck
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 12:31pm
I missed it, does anyone have any idea how long it usually takes them to get stuff up on TVNZondemand? It doesn't seem to be up yet
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Posted By: WestiesGirl
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 12:40pm
MooCow I have watched it on TVNZ here is http://tvnz.co.nz/20-20-news/20-milking-3561134/video.xhtml - the linky
I personally want to BF Jackson until he self weans. I dont plan on stopping at 12 months just cos he's 12 months old. Albeit, I dont think I would go past 4 years old, but thats just my personal choice. I found the doco interesting.
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Posted By: maysie
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 1:00pm
I thought it was good. The last one I saw had mothers from USA and UK and they were a bit strange about it all, like some others have mentioned, I found them a bit extreme! But this one had an emphasis of it being natural which was cool.
I BF Lily until 19 mths and would have continued on to around 2 but I made the decision to stop. She loves her bottle and we give her toddler milk just so she gets the extra calcium and iron and stuff as she can be a bit fussy with food sometimes.
It is a shame that after around 12 months you start to feel like you have to BF in 'secret'. I found it wasn't really talked about and I felt uncomfortable BFing in public once she got a bit older (not why I stopped though). I was defintely in the "If they can ask for it they're too old for it" camp prior to having a baby but now I think it's each to their own and a personal choice. I think it's only an issue because breasts have become sexualised, we seem to have forgotten why they are actually part of our anatomy!
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Posted By: monster
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 1:11pm
I liked the doco. I thought it did a better job of showing average people doing this than other docos have. It's more common than people realise and I think the more it is talked about, the more people will realise that it's an option for them.
The thing with BF is that you don't tend to decide 'I'm going to breastfeed a toddler/preschooler', you just start out BF your newborn, who grows bigger and before you know it you're BF a toddler after all!
I like to think of myself as a fairly 'normal' mum (whatever that means!) and yep, I'm currently BF my 2.5 year old and am fully prepared to tandem feed when this baby arrives if that's how it turns out. If people think that's weird or gross then that's their problem (not to mention they've got the entirely wrong idea of what breasts are there for) - it's anything but that to me. I totally understand that it's not for everyone, but you never know until you're there IYKWIM?
I had a vague idea of how long I wanted to feed for, but the more I have learned about BF, the more I value it. The nutritional and immunological benefits continue for the child for as long as they receive BM - that can only be a good thing. In addition, by BF my child I am lowering my risks of major health problems (eg. some cancers, diabetes). If you think extended BF is wrong, then you need to do some research.
I also get that if you're not BF your x-year old, it's hard to imagine BF them. But for those of us who haven't stopped, it is just a natural process - it changes over time (particularly the frequency) and is just another aspect of our relationship with our child. For me, we only tend to feed at home (because of timing) and I even get to wear normal bras!
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Posted By: angel4
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 1:33pm
i thought the doco was very well done. I am pro extended breastfeeding and letting children self wean, but the other 20/20 they did a while ago with the american women disturbed me a little too.
Sadly my son weaned when i was 32wks pregnant, at 14months (i did a lot of grieving over this) but as my dh said it was his choice which was what i wanted for him. I was the only one left breastfeeding in my antenatal group and the only pregnant one.
Since having Kiara i have given henry the occasional cup of EBM especially when he is sick which normally makes me cry because i really wish he was still feeding.
It will be interesting to see how long kiara feeds for as we arent having another baby for at least 3years (thats the plan)
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Posted By: emachan
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 1:49pm
I agree with most of you - the interviews on it were quite good and has made me more 'open' to extended breastfeeding - although its not something I will be doing (starting to wean already with Greta - I want my body back, selfish I know!)
As long as its done discreetly in someones own home, I have no problem with it - but still think its a little odd a 4 or 5 year old doing it (they might get teased about it if they talk about it at kindy/school by others!)
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 2:16pm
sabrina0007 wrote:
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That is so true!!!
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Posted By: myonlineself
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 5:03pm
A bit off topic, but is do babies often self wean when you get pregnant? I'd quite like another baby soonish, but want to bf miss DD till at least 2...
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 5:15pm
i liked how the american woman mentioned "mommy wars" and how quick we are to compete to who can be the better parent....good call
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Posted By: Cassie
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 5:21pm
some babies do, myonlineself, and some don't. I'm due in about 6 weeks and L is 18months and still breastfeeding, with no signs of wanting to stop any time soon! I think every baby is different - I had heard it often happened around the 5 months pregnant mark when you're body may start producing some colostrum which changes the flavour of the milk.
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Posted By: FionaO
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 5:34pm
I though it was fab, I assumed I was against extended feeding, against being the wrong word but I had got the impression from previous docs that it was yuck and all about the women.
Not true at all, this made me really think about it and it all seemed very natural, I liked how the 5 year old liked it but knew he would be stopping soon, it was all based around him and what he wanted/needed, it seemed great
It was also good interviewing an adult who was fed until 7 and she had no negative feelings about it.
For me I now think I bottle feed DS twice a day before bed, he likes it, I have no reason to try and cut out the bottle he only has it in bed, so whats the difference between that and BF, I now wonder if I had BF perhaps he would have fed for ages, he loves milk.
Good doc.
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