Dairy Free? Does it help?
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Topic: Dairy Free? Does it help?
Posted By: yermasyada
Subject: Dairy Free? Does it help?
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 3:34pm
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Hi there,
My poor we boy has suffered with bad acne and cradle cap for the last 4/5 weeks. The acne's not so bad now, but the cradle cap has spread all over his face 
I've been using Rosehip oil, which helps, but Plunket have suggested cutting out dairy from my diet to see if that helps. I was thinking I'd give it till the end of the week and see how it is, because cutting out dairy is quite a big effort. Just wondered if anyone had any experience of this and whether it helped or not. On the plus side, I should loose the 8kgs I'm still carrying, in about 2 weeks if I cut out dairy LOL |
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 3:37pm
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Hey, we are going dairy free for similar reasons, DD also has got eczema too on her elbows, legs, side of face. She had cradle cap quite bad but one PN told me it was nothing and people only worry for 'cosmetic reasons' but my actual PN told me it might be dairy related.
I had my last bit of dairy today *sniffs* will let you know how I get on, but apparently it takes 2 weeks to clear your system  ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: yermasyada
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 3:54pm
Good luck Nicole 
It really is quite a big deal to cut something like that out your diet.... especially when I have 1kg of yummy brie in the fridge  
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Posted By: T_Rex
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 6:03pm
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I've cut out dairy for months now, cos it helps the reflux. We both still have eczema, and DD has mild cradle cap much the same as she had when I was on dairy. So it may not help.
Jealous of your kg og brie though!!! ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 6:33pm
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hmmm I was dairy (and meat and egg ) free for over a year and while the first couple of weeks were a bit hard it's not that big a deal and apparently it *is* a major contributor to excema. I've just recently reduced the amount of dairy in Clodagh's diet for the same reason, although at this stage we are drinking soy milk instead of dairy but still having small amounts of organic cheese and dairy yoghurt. From a health (and weight loss) perspecive, it's AWESOME, I've never felt healthier and it's easy to replace stuff. But yeah cheese was the hardest thing to give up....all those lovely speciality cheeses. -------------   http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 6:44pm
Yum Brie!! 
It's tough I had maccaroni cheese for lunch today then clicked - cheese! So going to try vegan cheese and see if that's ok with Lily.
ATM She gets eczema, the runs and farts a lot. The runs are always the day after I have cheese.
My PN told me it is usually dairy, but mainly cheese that give them upset tummies and eczema. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 6:54pm
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Yep you might find it helps. My oldest was allergic to dairy and was on a specialist formula his ezcema was awful and at 3 he still has some cradle cap and my youngest showed symptoms so being a bit more onto it I went dairy free whilst still breastfeeding, it helped with his cradle cap, ezcema, reflux and his overall settledness (not sure that is actually a word).
You definitely need to give it at least two weeks before you can guage whether it's making a difference or not. If you do think it is making a difference you can try reintroducing just a tiny bit of dairy, I found that I was ok to have milk in my tea but if I ate cheese or yoghurt or ice cream we were in trouble. I actually didn't mind not eating cheese and I found soy chocolate ice cream to be a great substitute. But the bit I really couldn't cope with was not having tea or coffee so I was very glad when I found he could cope with me just having a tiny bit of milk in my drinks. Good luck, and honestly it isn't that bad once you are doing it. ------------- 
 
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 8:51pm
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Ditto what Two Boys said & Yes the weight loss can be huge too.
Also eczema can also be related to wheat. From a personal POV of cutting out dairy, my scalp has been awesome, until I slipped up, and had cheese in something I ate, unfortunate thing of not making a friend super aware of the dairy thing & man my scalp has been giving me gip all week! Not to mention the effects on C. ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com"> 
A = 01.02.04 & C = 16.01.09 & G = 30.03.12 |
Posted By: kaybee
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 8:47am
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I am dairy free because of ds's reflux and it definitely helped him. It's not too difficult to cut out with all of the different milk replacements (soy, rice, almond etc.) but yes I do miss cheese, and gelato etc. (at least there is sorbet!).
NKAP9, is vegan cheese actually dairy free? If so where do you get it? And does it taste alright? I have only heard of vegetarian cheese which is still dairy but just doesn't have the rennet in it. ------------- 
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 8:56am
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I posted a topic in general chat that some people have replied too, post a link in a bit. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 8:57am
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http://www.ohbaby.co.nz/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33760&PN=1 - Dairy free cheese - link to my topic in GC ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 8:59am
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I really hope its not wheat related! All though an uncle has celiacs (sp?). I don't think it is, although it could be... cr*p, it only started when I decided I needed more calcium and kept having toasted cheese sammies for lunch... ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 10:01am
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Nicole, Celiacs & wheat allergy are quite different. Celiacs is an allergy to gluten which is in a HEAP of stuff! See how the dairy goes first & then think about wheat.
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 10:04am
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Sorry should of worded it better!!
I know they're different, he just popped into my head. I think it could possibly be wheat related, as it happened round the same time, iygwim.. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 10:19am
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Does non cows milk cheese have the same effects? ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: kabe
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 11:06am
Yes it would have the same effect, as it's the protein in milk that kids with allergies react to. ------------- http://alterna-tickers.com"> 
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caliandjack wrote:Posted By: E&L+1
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 11:18am
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I thought that sheeps milk has a different protien in it so it makes it ok to eat? I could be wrong though...
We have been dairy free for ages. I can tell when I slip up as E's ezcema flares. Once you get started it's not too hard when you are at home. It's out and about that is tricky! ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 12:50pm
sorry havent read replies... Liam had a very very bad case of cradle cap..and the only thing that fixed it was microcreme.. i didnt want to use it as it was steriod cream but it was looking so angry and sore..and i used that and it went away..nothing else worked... re the excema that can often be food related I think..Liam is getting some of that too my oldest had excema which disappeared when he onto special formula.. but he wasnt eating at that stage so not sure.. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: ElfsMum
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 12:51pm
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and yeah re the protein Ethan had cows milk protein allergy..the most common. ------------- Mum to two amazing boys! |
Posted By: JoJames
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 1:29pm
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I'm thinking I need to do this as my wee one has an upset tummy, and is getting exczema on his face and cradle cap, which he hasn't had before.
I love having a cup of tea, what milk do people use instead and do you get used to the taste? ------------- http://www.alterna-tickers.com"> 
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Posted By: sweetpea
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 2:02pm
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lurking
Not sure if this applies to you or not but i vaguley remember seeing something in some junk mail at home about ineer health plus and the benefits of it for kids with excema etc. COuld be worth investiigating further. Lurker out ------------- http://daisypath.com"> 
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 7:19pm
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The protein in cow, sheep and goat milk is all different which is why *some* people who are sensitive to dairy can still tolerate goat or sheep stuff. If it's a true allergy though then probably not. Someone asked what dairy free cheese if made of...the Cheezly which I used is made from a base of potato stach and as far as I know is wheat free. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: yermasyada
Date Posted: 02 June 2010 at 3:35pm
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Thanks for all the replies.
His skin is a little better, but I thinking I might give the dairy free thing a whirl.....maybe after I've finished all this yummy brie though
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Posted By: E&L+1
Date Posted: 02 June 2010 at 5:11pm
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Thanks Emmecat that clears it up for me. We are pretty sure that Esme is intollerant not allergic but really won't know until she is directly exposed which I am VERY hesitant to do until she is 12 months. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 02 June 2010 at 10:38pm
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Only one I can see is the Sheese, which is unfortunately soy based...damn got all excited for a mo Ok Found Cheezly
BUT OMG & YELLING IN EXCITMENT....they have Nuttlex OMG OMG YAY So many people I know are going to love this site & to know that it's in NZ ....goes back to corner now eta to make slightly more sense that I'm not making ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 03 June 2010 at 6:46pm
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Aaaaww Cheezly is yummy......no need for sad faces EsmesMum- no problem, happy to help. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 03 June 2010 at 9:27pm
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Sad cause it's got soya protein in it.
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 04 June 2010 at 8:44am
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Well since I have cut out cheese about 3 days ago I have already noticed a difference in Lily's poos! *yay* they aren't the (sorry tmi) runs anymore, they are still the same colour, but they have the little chunks in them like they used to! So looks like no more cheese for me! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: yermasyada
Date Posted: 04 June 2010 at 7:38pm
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OK, so Roo's skin is a lot better, but still seems very dry, all over. So I'm going to try the dairy free thing
Any tips? I'm a bit concerned about calcium intake. Is it worth popping a multi vitamin/mineral because my iron's probably low as well because I don't eat meat. |
Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 04 June 2010 at 8:07pm
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I have been dairy free now for 5 days and I have noticed an improvement in DS. He has reflux and also excema along his jawline. He is feeding better and not screaming during a feed anymore, although his excema hasn't yet improved. Will be interesting to see how it all is after the full 2 weeks.
I had started to wonder about calcium too. I've just started back on a pregnancy and breastfeeding vitamin to help with that and iron as I'm always low in iron.
I haven't found it that hard at all being dairy free, I just make sure I read the back of every label (its amazing some of the foods that have dairy in them). Although, I haven't yet been out anywhere for meals or to anyones house so things will probably be a lot harder then. Good luck -------------  
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 04 June 2010 at 9:08pm
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My PN told me to try calcium supplements, waiting on a prescription from the nurse but I need it as cheese, yoghurt and ice cream are the only real calcium I get as I can't drink milk.
Noticed a change in her poo today, been cheese free and all bread lol free (still have ice cream and wheat) for 3 days, she still has a bit of eczema on her face, but the eczema on her arms isn't as bad as it used to be same with the bit on her left leg. It might have been that once I like something, I tend to over eat it, so I discovered toasted sandwiches were really filling and had that every day for lunch for a week then her poos went all funky... So maybe if I limit it, we might be ok. But will wait a month and see. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: yermasyada
Date Posted: 14 June 2010 at 12:56pm
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Hi...
Any updates from the dairy free gang? 
I've only been a week, so nothing really different here apart from he seems to be pooping a lot more frequently. |
Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 14 June 2010 at 1:01pm
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Yep. It has now been 15 days of dairy free here and we have had major improvements. No more screaming at the breast, pulling off and arching the back, a whole heap less vomiting, much better sleeping. He is a different baby, much more settled and content. It hasn't seemed to clear up his excema though, in fact that has got worse in the last couple of days, but I'm thinking that is an entirely different issue. -------------
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Posted By: yermasyada
Date Posted: 14 June 2010 at 1:10pm
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That's great to hear. Shame about the excema though
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Posted By: crafty1
Date Posted: 14 June 2010 at 4:24pm
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interesting thread. I've gone wheat free for a week now to see if ds2 tummy probs get better and they have already.
no more smelly farts and more freq poos so far. But he seems to be getting eczema on his face now. has always had bad cradle cap and reflux too. Really can't cut out dairy too tho! Struggling with wheat - hungry all the time (but have lost 1.5 kgs tho). I'm not sure i'll be able to keep it up till finish bf, but it will be helpful when looking at starting solids. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 14 June 2010 at 4:43pm
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We're just cheese free as that is the only thing that upsets her and I've noticed huge improvements!! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 14 June 2010 at 6:22pm
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Hey guys, hang in there...what they could be doing is having withdrawal symptoms. Usually these are about 3 days in, but can be up to a couple of weeks in especially as dairy can take up to 6 weeks to clear the system.
Withdrawal is basically when they are purging the toxin's from their bodies so things like eczema can get worse. Allergies & intolerances often break out on the skin somewhere in a weak point. ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: yermasyada
Date Posted: 14 June 2010 at 6:40pm
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Thanks .... I didn't know that
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 14 June 2010 at 7:34pm
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Crafty I found as soon as I cut the cheese the cradle cap got better, interestingly when I introduced more cheese to my diet it got worse... Luckily I don't have much dairy in my diet anyway except for ice cream, yoghurt, cheese, and cram/sour cream/cream cheese. (Gosh that is a lot when you think about it lol!) but I've only had to cut cheese so far! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 15 June 2010 at 2:17pm
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Kel that is really good to know. My boy has developed spots (almost like bed sores) on the back of his head where his hair has rubbed off and has just the last couple of days got a really nasty looking nappy rash despite only using cloth nappies and wipes and having heaps of nappy free time. -------------
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 15 June 2010 at 2:48pm
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You haven't accidentally had any dairy Tara? What's your soy intake like & have you had anything like that in the couple of days prior?
Cause it could also be that now that you've purged dairy other symptoms to other foods will show. I got a really bad reaction when we tried to challenge soy, I sorta knew, but had no idea I'd react that badly ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 15 June 2010 at 2:54pm
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I have soy milk on my cereal most days, but not for about 4 days. That is it. I don't think I've had any dairy and have only been eating at home. Oh no! Just checked the back of a packet gravy mix and that has dairy in it (MIL bought dinner around the other night with gravy on the beef). I guess that could be it, although it wasn't much at all. That would be quite a strong reaction huh?! -------------
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 15 June 2010 at 4:03pm
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MamaT that's interesting Lily has got red pimple looking spots on the back of her head too where the hair has rubbed off! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: MamaT
Date Posted: 15 June 2010 at 8:52pm
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Well, we've been to the doctor and before I even mentioned that I was dairy free he suggested the rashes could be due to an allergy, he said the one on the back of the head definately looked allergy related. Apart from the gravy the only other thing I've had in the last couple of days that I haven't had for ages is eggs. So will cut that out too and see how we go.
nkap - that is strange. Wonder if it is because of the cheese with Lily? -------------
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Posted By: High9
Date Posted: 15 June 2010 at 9:08pm
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I think she is now reacting to cream... ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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