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Topic: Lets get debating :insert evil grin here:
Posted By: Babe
Subject: Lets get debating :insert evil grin here:
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:33pm
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Smacking
I believe that spanking is one of many perfectly acceptable forms of discipline and I use it as I see fit with my children. I am of the GENERAL OPINION that parents who don't give their children boundaries and thereafter consequences that make their children reassess ever crossing those boundaries again are setting themselves and their poor kids up for failure! I also think that its idiot parents like that (that being no boundaries and no consequences) who have created the generation and a half of disrespectful, disobedient, horrible little thugs! Circumcision I have two uncircumcised boys but thats just coz I couldn't find anybody to do the deed! I think circumcision is tidier and cleaner and nope I don't give two hoots about anyone who tries to stuff research in my face I'm quite decided that its the better option! BFing v FFing BreastMILK is totally the best but breastfeeding isn't always best especially when the poor mama is being affected negatively. I have FF and BF'd and would always try BFing first. Not going to go much into this coz of our other dramatic thread... Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect I don't know how this affects NZ but I think the women who choose a c-sect over atleast trying a vaginal birth are weird and TBH I wonder why the heck they got preggers in the first place! I'm totally not referring to anybody who required a c-sect for medical reasons so don't get all huffy coz I'll turn the hose on you. I had vaginal births with both my boys and the idea of getting sliced open gives me the bleeding heebiejeebies!!!! Why would you actually CHOOSE to do that to yourself if you didn't actually have to?? That BTW is a rhetorical question and if you are reading this and you did actually choose to have a c-sect for no medical reason then I'd love to hear your reasonings, not to argue but just coz I can't fathom why you'd make that choice 
When to start solids Well both my boys started early and they both eat pretty much what we eat (be warned - beans actually don't get digested  they arrive whole at the other end...) and I really don't care if anyone has a problem with that.
Homemade solids v Storebrought solids Homemade is always better IMO but then I'm an au naturale girl myself. If you want to feed your baby up on processed crap then be my guest 
BLW v Pureed food Well both mine needed fairly pureed since they were pretty small but never really pureed and now Tys older he gets given lumps and bumps of dinner to hold and chew. I probably more of a BLW but either way I don't really care as long as they get full! Vaccination v Non-vaccination We are a non-vaxing household and thats the way we like it. I think non-vaxers make a much more informed decision coz we're the ones who have to defend our decisions so we actually get right in there and find out all the gory details. Pro-vaxers just accept what they've been told and jab their kids. I don't actually care what anyone else does and I certainly wouldn't accuse an pro-vaxer of being a bad parent but I would get my claws out if anyone tried suggesting I was being a bad parent for not vaxing. I know EXACTLY why I don't vaccinate - do you know why you DO vaccinate?? And I mean other than the trite about it being the 'safest' choice?? And I thought of another couple - Routine v Non-routine I think routines are better for baby and mama and I don't understand how anyone can function not knowing when their child will next wake or want to feed or anything  Its actually been proven in studies throughout the years that a flexi-routine makes for a more satisfied child and I could find the links to back that up but I'm too lazy. I love having a fairly good idea of how our day is going to run, when Tylers going to need a sleep, when Jake is going to need either a sleep or downtime, etc. Not knowing would make my head explode  I like knowng that Tyler isn't crying coz hes hungry coz he just had a full feed coz he doesn't snack thanks to our routine. Its a known fact that children thrive on knowing how their day is going to go and having some semblence of structure and I'm stunned by parents who approach the whoile thing being completely gung-ho and doing what suits them regardless of what it does to their child! LOL bet thats gonna get some reactions 
CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) I think CIO/CC definitely has its place. I let Jake 'CIO' at like 1 week old when he decided he wanted to get up at midnight and astay awake having cuddles with mummy til 3am. After one night doing that I put my foot down and the baby back into bed after his feed. I went back to bed and lay there wondering what I was sposed to do if he didn't go back to sleep lol luckily he was asleep less than 8 minutes later and he never woke at midnight to play til he was like 9mo then I did it again but it definitely was harder then but hey still ended up working  I don't think its the only way to go though.
Urrrm and there was another one but I've had a blank and Castle has started so I'm gonna go watch that and sneak back here during the ads to see what happens -------------   
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:36pm
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Aha - Cloth nappies v Disposables
Why on earth would you put chemical laden yucky next to poor babies botty?? Did you know that theres a chemical that caused bad stuff and it was removed from tampons but wasn't required to be removed from nappies  plus cloth is soooo much cuter and once you've brought them they're cheaper and makes you carbon footprint thingee so much smaller  -------------
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:37pm
Hell no, no comment 
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:41pm
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LMAO. Brilliant. Totally disagree with you on a couple of things but hey each to their own -------------   http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:42pm
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But WOOHOO on the vaxxing comment! hehehe *runs and ducks for cover* ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: newme
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:47pm
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Nice work! This will be a heated debate.
Smacking I was anti-smacking, but have to admit that I have smacked DS lightly on his bum on a couple of occasions when nothing else would work. And it did the trick. Circumcision NO WAY, evil, cruel, very risky - infection and death! BFing v FFing Breastmilk. Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect vaginal birth except for medical reasons (and no, being really afraid is not a medical reason - get over it). When to start solids depends on baby - not before 4 months. Homemade solids v Storebrought solids Homemade BLW v Pureed food No opinion Vaccination v Non-vaccination Do your research. I partially vaccinated. I think non-vaccination is irresponsible. Not just for the good of your child, but for society as a whole. Routine v Non-routine Routine CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) Do not believe in CIO. unnecessary and cruel. |
Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 8:49pm
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ooohhh Hila *like* edited to add- what did you partially vax for? Cos I tried for months to get one seperately and couldn't ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: BeLoved
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:02pm
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My only comment at this moment in time (because I am too tired and grumpy to fully reply) is its cool too see that there are things that I agree with and also disagree with just in one persons post, just goes to show how different yet the same we all are, and how boring the world would be if we all agreed
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:03pm
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Ok, I'll say a few things
Smacking I dont have a problem wih a tap on the bum or hand Circumcision Nope BFing v FFing I am pro both, whatever is best for your situation etc Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect Im a C Section mama, first was an emergency after a damn good go at having naturally! Second was an elective. After having two CS, i dont know why anyone would want to have one when they could birth vaginally, getting cut open and having layers and layers stitched back up is major surgery and it hurt like f*ck afterwards!!!!! When to start solids 4-6 months, depending on the baby, but as close to 6 months as possible. Homemade solids v Storebrought solids I used both BLW v Pureed food ehh No opinion Vaccination v Non-vaccination I vaccinate my kids, and thats all I'll say on that as its a touchy subject. Routine v Non-routine semi routine, I have just followed my kids cues, but we have always had a bedtime routine to help them settle etc CC/CIO I do controlled crying, I have left them to cry a few times when I have been totally over it and exhausted and needed 5 mins to calm down and get my sh*t sorted. It IS ok to let them cry for a bit when you need to calm down!!!!!! I had a baby with bad reflux and some nights she did my head in, and it made me realise how some parents can shake their babys, its just knowing when to walk away and calm down, and thats when letting them cry for a bit while you do that is OK! |
Posted By: minik8e
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:04pm
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My turn!!!
Smacking I'm with Bridie, I think smacking has it's place. It needs to be done in context though, and not just cos. I also don't think it should be the first option. Circumcision Don't care, cos I have girls at the moment!! BFing v FFing Breast milk is best yep, but BFing isn't for everyone. FFing, IMO, is perfectly fine - the point at the end of the day is that bubs is fed. Amber has had one full BF (40ml - woohoo!!!) and Jade has had none, but they had colostrum and breast milk until 10 weeks old. I DO think that, if possible, new mums should do what they can to ensure bubs has colostrum, if it is possible (I expressed mine). Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect I had an emergency c-s with the girls, and quite frankly I don't really mind if I have to have another one. I had no problems afterwards though, the only issue that I had throughout was letting me labour for so long whilst knowing from the start that it was to no avail cos Jade was bum down so I wasn't allowed a VB. I'm going to try a VB next time, but I'm not going to be disappointed if I have to have another CS. My scar has almost disappeared as well
When to start solids I think the girls started at about 5 months - again, such an individual choice, if they're ready then they're ready!! Homemade solids v Storebrought solids Yep, homemade is better, but I'm lazy so they get a mix I like that I know there is a certain amount of iron in the storebought ones, I get kind of lost figuring out what to make them usually so stick to veges...
BLW v Pureed food Girls were semi BLW - they had finger foods at lunch, and purees for breakfast and sometimes tea. Like Bridie, who cares as long as they're full!! Vaccination v Non-vaccination I'm a vaccinating parent, and my only reason is cos I would probably rather have the day or two of grizzling than the weeks of sickness or resultant death. Have I looked into it? Nope, but I'm one of those "it never hurt me" types. Routine v Non-routine I don't understand how anyone can NOT have a routine. My routine is my lifeline, although it is semi flexible - I don't wake them up just cos it's lunchtime, or breakfast time. Without this routine, I would never be able to plan trips out and the girls would probably be the rulers of the roost!! CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) Again, like Bridie, I think CIO/CC definitely has its place. The girls have had CIO once or twice when they were younger - don't even remember why!! As long as bubs is happy, fed, warm, clean and had some cuddles then tough bickies, it's bed time. Cloth nappies vs sposies I'm an evil sposie mum I had the best of intentions and have about 40 nappies here which I really need to sell!!! But quite frankly, with everything else I needed to do with twins, plus being back at work, the idea of MORE washing and scraping some of those poops gives me the heebie jeebies (especially when multiplied by 2). I may very well actually try it next time (if there is a next time), provided I have a singleton...
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Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:05pm
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Ohhhh, cooooool thread. I can get all judgey judgementalson and then if someone jumps down my throat I can be like "Babe started it!"
Smacking A quick smack on the hand or bum if a child is being really naughty is fine with me. This should not happen all the time. You should have other measures in place first. Smacking is only for extreme circumstances. Circumcision Why anyone would want to cut off the end of a boys penis without a medical reason is beyond me. Religious reasons do not wash with me. BFing v FFing Breastfeeding is best. If you can't/don't want to thats fine with me - but please don't give me a bollocks reason for it. Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect I think people who have elective c sections to save their lady bits (is that why they do it?) are kidding themselves that it would be easier and their recovery is better than a vaginal birth. Contrary to what you might think - you tighten back up down there! You don't end up with a loose v-jay jay! Choosing to have an elective because of medical reasons is a totally different matter. When to start solids As close to 6 months as you can. Homemade solids v Storebrought solids Storebought solids are a waste of money. BLW v Pureed food BLW all the way! Vaccination v Non-vaccination We vaccinate. We've also done the research - we've just arrived at different conclusions to the non-vaccers. Of course, I think we came to the right one
Routine v Non-routine Bugger routine until after 3 months. After that a loose routine is great until you feel like you need a proper one. Some babies put themselves into routines - Jude did. CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) No CIO/CC til after 9 months but limited use is best, if you can avoid it altogether then thats even better. Screaming it out is not acceptable unless a break is really really needed. Cloth nappies v Disposables Cloth nappies. Disposables are a waste of money. And no, it is not loads more work. It's easy. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:08pm
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i definitely believe in boundaries! and do think that too many parents now dont have enough boundaries. i support the repeal of section 59 and hate that it got called the anti smacking bill.
dont believe in circumcision - unless they change it themselves my boys penis's will stay the way they were when born. However it is my job as a parent to teach them to be clean - no one likes a smelly penis!
BLW rocks - but if anyone prefers pureed food and all the work that goes with it - well thats their cup of tea. i also believe home made is better but a jar or two never hurt. Definitely believe that letting a baby cry for an extended length of time to teach them a lesson is wrong... Believe that if a parent has researched vaccination and made an informed choice then good on them. Uninformed choice i dont care for much! Breast feeding is best for baby - i truly believe that and i truly believe it is a babys right. I have heard so many stories though and know too that some women believe they cant bf and know that many women have problems that i know nothing about .. So i believe that bottle feeding is perfectly acceptable and dont really care ultimately how you feed your baby. babe said all i want re cloth nappies! and there you have my opinions on a few of those things... ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:08pm
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Gotta say my opinions on some of these things have slowly changed over time. I do believe spanking can be an appropriate form of discipline but I've really moved away from it in our house. Jake will get a smack on the bottom if hes openly defiant but TBH the thinking seat and the think act tell method are alot more effective with him. Thats what makes you a great parent IMO though - being open to changing your preconceptions and finding new methods and choices that bring out the best in your own family. -------------
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Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:14pm
For sure! Not just for parenting - Life in general! I'm always open to changing my opinion with the arrival of new evidence Sometimes I HATE being wrong but it doesn't mean I'm going to stubbornly refuse to admit I was wrong and change (as much as i'd like to!). ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Babe wrote:Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:16pm
yep me too!! ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:21pm
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Oh Babe, you forgot RF vs FF Carseats
Hehehehe. Oh and I do have one more thing to say re Sposies Vs Cloth. It's just sh*t. It won't kill you. <---- Love the evil smiley.------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:27pm
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Smacking
Doesn't work for my kids. and i find it terribly hypocritical to yell "don't hit" and then smack the kid responsible. Circumcision eeew. why would you? BFing v FFing breast really is best. Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect In the throes of labvour I yelled about understanding why Britney demanded a c-section - but in reality, if you didn't HAVE to, why would you? When to start solids when they are ready. Homemade solids v Storebrought solids homemade - it's cheaper BLW v Pureed food I always pureed, cause I didn't knw about BLW. Vaccination v Non-vaccination Vaccinated. Routine v Non-routine under 3 months, non-routine. after that, routine all the way. Some routine is good though regardless - as in bedtime routine. CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) Under 3 months, yuk. |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:31pm
Agreed!! The only time I've found CIO/CC appropriate is when they're fed and I'm sure they're full, they have a clean nappy, they aren't unwell and its bedtime. I leave Tyler for 15m during the day and I know if hes not asleep by then he needs something. At night its abit different coz he just likes getting up and mucking around so we're trying a few different things to encourage him to self-settle when he doesn't want to and yeah that has involved CIO and CC but its not easy when he goes through those patches to work out what to do. Everyone ends up so tired regardless! -------------
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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:32pm
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There are a lot of people I agree with so far, (sheza on a lot, though I haven't had a c section )
But, my friends SIL paid for a C section for her first simply cos she didn't want to push (her words via her SIL,aka my friend) I would ask her why for you Babe, but I don't like her anyway so..... And I use cloths, but sometimes I hate them ------------- 
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Posted By: _H_
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:34pm
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Smacking
has its time and place. i believe that it should be the last step- and a smack never did me any harm. this one time when i was a kid, i was being naughty and told mum she wouldnt smack me (she always said she would be never really did) dam she smacked me so hard i did what i was told for a while after that! Circumcision im not a fan and think if males want it they can do when they are old enough to decide themselves BFing v FFing BF if you can! Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect Vaginal birth, if you can but if it ends up in a c-sect its not the end of the word When to start solids i think babies will tell you when they are ready, parents just need to know the signs Homemade solids v Storebrought solids homemade solids but when you dont have time storebrought! BLW v Pureed food mixture of both Vaccination v Non-vaccination I think ill vaccinate but i have never really done any research on it Routine v Non-routine Routine!!!! Your the boss not the baby! i hate people that let their baby run their lifes (though i know things dont always go to plan) CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) CIO/CC to a certain level but you are the parent and you know when things are actually wrong Cloth nappies v Disposables Cloth nappies, they are SO cute. i plan to use them fulltime with a few disposables (i think they do have their place even if it is very small) ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:41pm
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Eeek, do I dare say anything
Smacking Not a big fan but sometimes it may have its place. I think you have to be careful about why you're doing it - that it's not cos you're mad. Definitely not a first resort. And besides, Dan doesn't respond - he's a timeout boy. Circumcision Wouldn't do it to a girl so why is it OK for a boy? BFing v FFing Breast is #1 but there are some circumstances where you can't. I don't understand why you wouldn't try, but that's just me. Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect Vaginal. Though ironically, I'd rather have a CS than be induced again. I only say that cos I haven't experienced a CS and I'm sure if I did, my views would change. When to start solids When they're ready Homemade solids v Storebrought solids Mix it up - I'm not a saint. BLW v Pureed food Pureed with #1, will explore BLW with #2 Vaccination v Non-vaccination Vaccinate. There's a reason those diseases aren't around anymore. Routine v Non-routine No routine early on - just eat, play, sleep. Who cares when?! Later on, a semi-routine but I'm not rigid. CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) Hmmmm, don't like it but we've done CIO when we know Dan is knackered but refusing to go to sleep. Not such a fan of CC after hearing it compared to giving someone a treat (going in) then taking it away (going out) but I have found it works better for mummy-guilts! At least the first time or two. Cloth nappies v Disposables I mix it up. Like I said, I'm no saint. ------------- Mum to two wee boys |
Posted By: nicandtyler
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:42pm
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Me next
Smacking i dont have a problem with a tap on the bum or hand if i need it when T is older, obviously dont need it at the moment, but I feel that parents are far too afraid to discipline their children and as a result we get some little sh*ts running around Circumcision no way no way no way poor little boy bits 
BFing vs FFing boob all the way Vaginal birth vs Elective c-sect if its medically needed and theres no way to avoid it then they have their place, but shouldn't be as common place as it is now When to start solids 4-6 months, I started T just after 4 months and he loved it Homemade solids vs storebrought solids Mainly homemade but I do use storebrought at times BLW vs pureed Pureed for us but introduced finger food pretty early on Vaccination vs non-vaccination non-vaxxing here Routine vs non-routine I go by Tylers cues, eats when hes hungry sleeps when hes tired etc - has a general routine which i am flexible with, works awesome for us CIO/CC vs not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) no way, its not natural Cloth nappies vs disposables currently building up my itti stash to transition T onto cloth full time ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Babykatnz
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:45pm
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Smacking
To each their own, but IMO the earlier you start using smacking as a form of punishment, the more it can escalate, its like 'time out' after a while it becomes useless as the kid gets smart enough to know that after a set time, s/he can bugger off and thats all there was to it. Same with a smack. It starts off as a smack on the hand or bum, but then kids get smart and a sharp sting doesnt stick around for long, and means nothing. Maybe its because of how things were when i was a kid, but its less likely to escalate to the point it did for me, if smacking stays right out of it to begin with. Circumcision I didnt get my boy done as I didnt see the need. I'm not jewish, and I sure as hell wasnt going to make my baby suffer just to look like his dad. Unfortunately he ended up being in the 1% of UNsnipped boys who end up needing it for medical reasons, and ended up going under his first GA last week to have it done. DP is adamant that if this baby is a boy, it will get done... but I'm not going to put my baby through that if theres only a 1 in 100 chance that he might need it later... thats assuming it even IS a boy lol! BFing v FFing I really wanted to breastfeed both my kids, but at 20 and with no internet access or friends to ask how etc, I was railroaded into switching to formula before even giving my body a fighting chance. With Jae i went to the opposite extreme, i dug my heels in over and over again and tried everything that anyone suggested, but noone of it worked, and at 12 weeks old she was hospitalised and was severely underweight. I do find myself struggling to understand why people either suddenly quit, or just dont bother to TRY, simply because they dont WANT to BF, but maybe I'd feel a little less strongly if I had been successful with BFing just one of them. This time around I'll try my best, but I know theres a good chance it wont work, and I wont starve my child just to prove a point again. I dont have a problem with mums using formula, theres no knowing the reasons behind it, I hated the looks I got for bottlefeeding from 3 months old, and felt like I should have a poster on my shirt saying I TRIED! Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect I tried to have a vaginal birth with B, i tried for 72 hours before they finally made the call to get him out... and not a minute too soon either as he had no HR when he was finally pulled out... it was horribly traumatic for me being wheeled off to recovery, and then my ward not knowing if my baby was alive or dead, and I had nothing but 2 polaroids to show for my pain for the first 24 hours, and didnt get to hold him until after 48 hours. and the day after my op i was stuck in a room with a mother AND baby, with no baby of my own to look after as he was in NICU. There was no way in hell i ever planned on attempting all that again, I knew I wasnt strong enough mentally to cope with another emergency c-section... so when DP told me he wanted to have kids, i told him the only way it was happening was if I'd be allowed an elective. I didnt care about proving i could give birth or not. I had done my damnedest with B, and felt that was enough. So jae was born via elective, and it was the best decision i had ever made, i actually enjoyed the whole experience, so much so, that i was ready and willing to do it again almost immediately! When to start solids B had his first taste around 3.5 months, couldnt figure out the spoon, so I left it til 4 months and he never looked back, so i did the same with Jae and she loved it too. Will do the same this time. I dont think theres a best age to do it, it depends on when each individual child is able to move his/her tongue the right way in order to take the contents of the spoon and swallow. Homemade solids v Storebrought solids I really dont care. I used a mixture of both, but it took her a while to accept my food, so for several months she was fed on store bought food. Not like it mattered that she was eating 'processed crap', she was already chugging back formula
BLW v Pureed food I never knew about BLW with B, and didnt really understand how it worked until jae was well into purees, i did introduce a little bit of BLW earlier than I did with B, this time i will probably do both, have some puree to make sure food gets in, but also allow them to have food in hand to feed themselves. Vaccination v Non-vaccination I didnt bother researching the pro's and con's, theres SO much stuff you could research about what to give/ what not to give kids etc, I really CBA. I have seen the damage some of the things kids are vaccinated against can do, and I dont want to risk any of my kids suffering like that, so any vaccinations offered, i take. Both my kids are completely up to date with all vaccs, and will continue to be. And I thought of another couple - Routine v Non-routine We have always been a routine led household, i dont allow my kids to rule my day, I am anal about planning what I'm doing and when, so knowing when my DD normally sleeps and eats is great for me as i can plan groceries between her and school dropoffs/pick-ups, coffeegroups, and the other odd trip out, without having tantrums from a tired/hungry child. CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) I'm a CC/CIO parent. I give them plenty of cuddles and if they cry when I put them to bed, and I know they are clean, dry, well fed, and not sick, then I leave them to it. 9 times out of 10 within 10 minutes they stop their little tanties and have conked out. the 1 out of 10 may be because teething pain (in which case i have bonjela and pamol) or saftey sleep bunched up etc, so i fix the problem and start again. DP IMO is too soft. 2 minutes and he is rushing in there to get his little princess up cos 'she wouldnt cry if she was tired!' Cloth vs disposable. I have better things to do with my time than add more washing (Mt Washmore is big enough as it is without adding nappies to it!) and I honestly CBA with it. I use disposables, did with my oldest, have done so with Jae, and will do it again with this one. ------------- Brandon - 05/12/2003  
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:47pm
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totally OT but Fliss when in the heck did you get 34 weeks!! Not long now!!!
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:47pm
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LOL I love that people aren't quoting each other and having a go or getting offended and its fascinating to meto see other peoples opinions and why they feel that way. Makes me think and rethink and keeps me on my toes! -------------
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Posted By: _SMS_
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:52pm
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Smacking
Not my idea of discipline. DD is only 20 months. I kind of think, if i smack her will this let her think its ok to hit other kids. Circumcision Hrmmmmm i havent had to think about this yet because i dont have a boy. But id say 99% my son wouldnt get circumcised BFing v FFing BF all the way. Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect Vaginal birth, if you can but if it ends up in a c-sect its not the end of the word When to start solids Not before 4 months, dd wasnt really until about 7 months so thats when she started. I think people give solids far to early. Homemade solids v Storebrought solids homemade solids but store brought are handy on occasion. BLW v Pureed food mixture of both Vaccination v Non-vaccination I vaccinated DD because i was told by plunket she should be. I am a fairly young mum i didnt even think twice about looking at other options. Next time i will be doing ALOT of research Routine v Non-routine Routine!! DD has been in a routine since she was about 2 months old. I guess it makes it so much harder when she is sick/teething because the routine goes out the window. But i dont understand how people dont have routines lol CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) I used CC to get dd to start self settling at 2/3 months. Have have never let her CIO but when have used CC when needed. With DD i can tell when she needs a cuddle to be settled and when she is "playing" me and being a madam i give CC a go lol Cloth nappies v Disposables I use cloth during the day, dispoables at night. I want to use cloth at night but havent found any that dont leak. We use 1 huggies nappy a night -------------  
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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 9:54pm
Yeah, I like that it's a "state your opinion" rather than "why the hell would you say that?" thread. It's also interesting hearing people's stories and what led to their POV - I think that often gets missed (b/c not stated or v defensive or you don't read it) in debates. Let's see how long it stays that way. Please play nice people, I'm enjoying it! And tell me about it Sheza - as I said in my July thread, I'm so not ready for it (and still don't really believe that I'm PG with a baby about to pop out!) ------------- Mum to two wee boys |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:14pm
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Wow this thread grew really quickly
I just wanted to say with regards to vaxing, I am pro for my children(well each new vaccination requires new researching for any new ones that come out).I did my research too and i held off vaxing until 3months based on my research. the one thing that made my final decision was the lack of people vaxing their children which really concerned me that if there was an outbreak then we are looking at an epic spread due to the amount of parents chosing to not vax. I also at present feel my holding off has made a difference. My first two had asthma from a very young age and were vaxed at 6 weeks, but this time I held off until 3months and so far so good on his health. I think 6 weeks is too young if you are gonna vax On the circum debate, I couldnt do it myself and my dh said he wanted his boys done and I said if he organised it and took them then I will live with it, but he cant organise himself out of a paper bag so knew it wouldnt happen, oh and it cost a fortune and we dont have that sort of money so i knew we were safe........it does look nicer but seriously nothing down there looks that nice on a good day so removing a bit of skin isnt gonna make it prettier Home made food......I have my back up tins but my freezer is full of ice cube bags of variety of food. cos its way cheaper BF - give yr baby a fighting chance and at the very least express of the colostrum if u cant handle your own baby latching onto your breast like nature intended. Like vag birth, bf comes with the territory and I think it should only be done if you CANT BF due to medical or lack of suppy reasons. having a baby means making sacrifices.........get over it, there are plenty more to come Csection - 3 sections here, but would LOVE to be able to vag birth, but its not gonna happen, so no point on dwelling but for those who can but dont......WTF I too would love to know what reason other than medical u would chose this also Pureed - BLW, what ever makes you feel comfortable. but not before 5month, research is research and it shouldnt be ignored just cos you cant wait to try your baby on solids, there is plenty of time to put baby on solids and NO just cos they not sleeping through again doesnt mean they need to be on solids early, thats just a stage they all go through. Cant remember the others Oh yeah smacking..........boundaries for sure and Im astounded the children these days with no respect for their parents. My 15yr old wouldnt dream of disrespecting me or his dad or anyone older. My children are raised to respect and have manners, the odd tap is very here and there, even a raised voice is rare but man when i do they MOVE cos they know they have pushed my button........do it too often and they become immune to the raised voice or smacking........but for goodness sack, discipline your children, dont molly coddle them into being sooky whimpy kids that as soon as you tell off they cry and then you cuddle them immediately after.... And tattle tail kids drive me nuts!!!! I hate kids that constantly run and tell tales and then the parents jump up and investigate!!! OMG cant u see that your kid is as involved as the rest, leave them to work it out unless someones life is in danger.......you not always gonna be there to fight their battles........... Ok getting down from soap box.........and getting off topicish |
Posted By: blondy
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:30pm
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I too am amazed already at the 'mix' of views people have - no cookie cutter types here!
Smacking I grew up being smacked if I was a real little sh!t and pushed the boundaries, and don't believe it harmed me in any way.... but we've never hit DD, and TBH I want to keep it that way - but atm, timeout and reasoning (well, as much as you can reason with a 2 year old! ) seem to be working.
Circumcision Have always been against it but not for any particular reason (however, have been very surprised to see research lately supported by WHO that promotes circumcision as reducing transmission of HIV..... so I think this may be an issue that pokes it's head back into the media soon (honestly, no pun intended I honestly couldn't think of a sentence that didn't invoke some kind of connotations!)
BFing v FFing BF, and also an extended BF supporter, but having said that if DD hadn't been allergic to milk, and had taken a bottle before 12 months, I might have done things differently, so I don't judge people on it (but also feel that if possible the baby deserves at least colostrum, and a couple weeks of breastmilk, just to get all the immune goodies across). Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect Vaginal birth and dislike most interventions, but think if the sunroof option becomes necessary, I won't be fighting it (as long as I feel informed and not steamrollered by medical professionals who are only thinking about getting home before the weekend ).
When to start solids When the baby is ready - started about 5months with DD, but it's such a PITA going from sole breastfeeding, that I'll be happy to wait longer with this one! Homemade solids v Storebrought solids Mix of both - once I found something DD liked, I brewed up bucketloads at home, but I think the storebrought stuff has a place too. Nothing like food allergies to make you make your own food though! BLW v Pureed food Did mainly pureed with DD, but think I'll do a mix next time around. Sometimes there is something nice about knowing their little tummies are full of food rather than just having 'tasted' a tiny bit of broccolli etc! Vaccination v Non-vaccination Vaccination all the way! I have done an extensive amount of research on the topic, and although I do come from a virology/immunology background, I have not found any conclusive research that says I shouldn't. I also believe strongly in the benefit of herd immunity, which relies on a high percentage of the population being vaccinated. Because of DD's allergies, we delayed some and split some up, but at the end of the day she will be vaccinated against everything, as I believe the effects of the potential diseases can be devastating. I think lumping all vaccinators under an umbrella of 'uneducated/unresearched' is unfair; however I acknowledge that no enough people do their research on the matter. Routine v Non-routine Pattern here rather than routine - and having a 30min-catnapper made me feel like a failure as a Mum (because no babies in books sleep for only 30mins at a time!), but then I accepted it and went by what DD wanted to do, and we were all much much happier. Next time round will be patter (eat, play, sleep), but I'm not stressing about the clock, or what the baby should be doing when!
CIO/CC v Not I think *some* crying time is needed sometimes (after everything has been done for baby), but having tried CIO on one occasion, and it being a disaster, could not do that again! I think babies need settling time, rather than crying time, but you can tell the difference between an "i'm annoyed" cry and a "please don't leave me, I desperately need ..... " cry (at least I think I remember there being a difference!) Cloth nappies v Disposables Cloth almost all the time, but if I'm having a CBA moment then sposies will do. However, I HATE DD doing #2's in a sposie, because it's so much harder to get the poo into the toilet! Now THAT is something I feel strongly about - people throwing pooey nappies into the landfill  No reason at all that sposies shouldn't have their pooey contents tipped down the toilet!!!!! -------------  
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:30pm
This makes me want to scream and cry. Can't be asked to look into vaccination, really? is that responsible parenting? I read on an anti vax site that most parents spend longer looking into which car or TV to buy than they do into what they are gonna jab into their kids. I find that disturbing and very very sad (if it's true, which I think it might be) There are risks to vaccination, it's not risk free at all. Most have death listed as a possible side effect as well as many other extremely horrible side effects which could destroy your childs chance at a normal life. For goodness sake at least read the package insert even if you CBA doing anything else. It's too late for me to weigh in on the other points, I might come back and make a nuisance of myself again tomorrow :) |
Posted By: Delli
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:34pm
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Posted By: blondy
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:35pm
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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:37pm
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.... and only on page 2 ...... It was too good to last ------------- Mum to two wee boys |
Posted By: Aprilfools
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:37pm
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Smacking
Has it's place. Don't believe it's the only option and I don't believe all children will respond to it though. Circumcision Absolutely not. Leave my boys winkle alone. BFing v FFing Pro BFer who supports FFing and now FFs her own child. Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect Vaginal birth def. I don't understand Elective c-sect just because (medical/physical I do of course) the pushing is part of the process. I thought it was fun 
When to start solids When they're ready. We went with our instincts and started pretty much on 4 months and I definitely think it was the right time for our little man. Homemade solids v Storebrought solids Homemade. We try not to use processed ingredients too much so applied the same to his food. I did buy some food for occasions where I was caught out but he didn't really like it, prefers mummy's cooking. BLW v Pureed food Pureed and I actually really enjoyed making up batches of pureed food. Vaccination v Non-vaccination Vaccination Routine v Non-routine A little bit of both. Always same routine at night time but the rest of the time flexi. For me I actually find routine more restricting. I like being able to go out and not have to come home for sleeps or be able to grab my keys and go even though it was almost nap time. From that I have a child who can handle going any where at any time of day (although I credit this more to him rather than just our parenting style). In the early days I had a bombproof baby which made it easy though. If he was asleep I could move him from capsule to bassinet and vice versa no worries. CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) Never say never. I wasn't against it but didn't think I would ever use it. After a really bad patch and trying several other methods which ended with me calling someone to come over in case I hurt him we used CC which my instincts were telling me all along was the way to go but I just didn't want to do it. Cloth nappies v Disposables Disposables - we started with disposables and then I tried to switch to cloth nappies but I have really bad contact dermatitis and all the extra soaking and hand washing was too much on my hands. If it weren't for that I would use cloth. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:38pm
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*like* delli.
Ill come back tomorrow and add my 2cents worth. ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: Babykatnz
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:46pm
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um... wow...
and I CBA saying anything else in response ------------- Brandon - 05/12/2003
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:47pm
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Me three *sigh*
I cant say that i "researched" vaccinating either, it never ever crossed my mind to...I did read all the brochures and talked to people though and I always knew I would want to protect my kids against these nasty illnesses. And death as a side effect would be very very very rare, death from one of those illnesses, not so rare. Just my opinion! |
Posted By: minik8e
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 10:51pm
I wonder what would happen if we could get a list of side effects from life, just like you do with vaccinations. That certainly isn't risk free either, and yet we decide to continue on with it
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Posted By: bext1
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 11:08pm
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Smacking
to a point a smack is acceptable for our boys, mind you they can be super naughty. A quick tap and off for time out seems to work. Circumcision DP remembers getting his done in Samoa when he was about 8 or so, and said the pain was so bad, and we would never put the boys through that pain. If they want to make that decision later in life, that's their call. BFing v FFing I think if you can BF and you enjoy it, then yes I am BF, however if you can't then I am not against FF at all. I have tried both for my boys, sometimes you just do what you have to do Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect When we say elective, I think of 'you chose to have it, because you wanted it' however most MW think of the elective if you can't deliver normally. So I can't choose between both, as DS1 was VB, twins were 'elective' and DS4 VBAC. But like you Babe, choosing to have one just because is a bit off. (I'm thinking all those hollywood stars that have a c-sec and tummy tuck same time CRAZY!!) When to start solids I have started all my boys about 6 months, that's when they seemed ready and the milk just wasn't cutting it anymore. Homemade solids v Storebrought solids Both have their places. Homemade is great IF you have the time for doing it. We made heaps for the twins but also had some store bought for a flavour change sometimes. BLW v Pureed food I haven't tried BLW, just pureed, and that's always worked for me. Vaccination v Non-vaccination Vaccinations here. Routine v Non-routine We have night time routines, but during the day, we are pretty go with the flow. The twins did have a daytime routine until they started daycare. I think Koby will end up with one too but at the moment he's not in that place. CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) We do the 10 minutes of crying - if not settled, then the shush, pat and back down. Cloth nappies v Disposables Sposies. I don't have time for washing cloth, and with 3 in nappies, it's just not something I can bear thinking about at the moment. ------------- 
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Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 11:37pm
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Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 11:37pm
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Posted By: HoneybunsMa
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:00am
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Wow I haven't put mine up yet because I'm too "busy" doing my assignment (trying to make it stretch hehe) I will be back however.
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Posted By: lil_lease
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:03am
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Smacking
I think smacking has it's place but as an everyday form of punishment then I dont think it's acceptable. I was smacked as a child and whenever I was smacked it was for a bleatin good reason. Circumcision After doing research on it I find it suprising that people still want to do this to their children. I'm of the opinion that if the boy wants it done then that's his choice once he turns 18 and can make the decision for himself. I'd rather not take that decision out of his hands unless there is a very good medical reason. I dont think it looks tidier at all or cleaner and I know from my side of a couple I prefer an uncircumcised penis. From what I've heard the HIV/circumcision thing is based on some iffy research and as such some men in Africa are getting circumcised so they dont have to use condoms anymore which to me is a very scary thing as this will most likely INCREASE the HIV rates.
BFing v FFing I tried to avoid the other thread because I didnt really know how to put my opinion into words but I'll do my best here lol. As long as the child is being fed then that's the important thing. Yes, I do think breastmilk is the best milk and I would like to breastfeed for as long as possible. If I'm not able then I am glad there are alternatives that I can use. I'm also the kind of person who would advocate for a BreastMilk Bank and would contribute if I could. I'm also one who would be eager to wet nurse for someone if they wished it. Yeah, I'm a weirdo lol. Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect I have some pretty strong views on this from research that I have done and I think that unless there is a very good medical reason then a vaginal birth is the way to go. I was quite genuinely horrified when I found out that the NZ cesarean rate is approaching 30% when the WHO reccommends that the rate be no higher than 10% to 15%. I think higher intervention rates and the misdiagnosis of certain conditions have their contribution to this. For me, I'm aiming for a vaginal birth and ideally I'd want a home birth but due to medical reasons (damnitt) this isn't an option for me 
When to start solids Well all I currently have to go on are the reccomendations but I do know that not every child will fit with those reccomendations. I think it's up to the parents to decide when their child is ready whether that be at 4 months or 8 months. Homemade solids v Storebrought solids I think home made would be better as you know exactly what is going into it and it's also cheaper. At this point I'm planning to make my own baby food where I can with minimal use of store purchased. BLW v Pureed food I guess it depends on the child and the parents and how they feel best to feed their child. At this point I'm looking at doing a mix. Vaccination v Non-vaccination I'm still researching this so reserve judgement. Routine v Non-routine I barely have a routine for myself but I would prefer to have at least some semblance of routine with my child even if that be a set bedtime and pre-bed ritual to go through. CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) Cant really give my opinion until I have experienced this but I think they both have their place. Cloth nappies v Disposables I guess whatever works for you. I'm planning on using cloth but you know what they say about good intentions lol I'm not opposed to using sposies but I think that because greener options are avaliable I will make use of them. I seriously dont like the thought of icky pooey nappies going into landfills and i'm the strange sort of person who actually ENJOYS doing laundry lol. I'm also looking at making my own nappies and covers.
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Posted By: WestiesGirl
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:16am
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Haha, can of worms??
Smacking It has its place. Im all for a tap on the hand when and where appropriate in the right context or situation. Circumcision Nope - Not here BFing v FFing Breast but FF has its place too. Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect VB except for medical reasons When to start solids Not before 6 months Homemade solids v Storebrought solids Homemade all the way BLW v Pureed food BLW
Vaccination v Non-vaccination I do research when I need more information and we Vax here. Routine v Non-routine Both CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) Hmm yep for CC in the right situation and after about 8/9 months old. Not before. Cloth nappies v Disposables Both ------------- Our Angel July 08  Gone but not forgotten
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Posted By: JoJames
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 6:57am
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Smacking
Funny, I was against it until I had a toddler, We don't use it much, and I don't see my self using it when he is old enough to understand time out and naughty chairs, there are much better ways of dicipling, and I don't get parents who say, stop hitting, whack either. Circumcision Go for it if you want, it does seem to be more hygenic, I wouldn't do it. BFing v FFing Whatever, if you want to be arsed doing all those bottles and sterilising and pay for formula you go right ahead. Though you can't deny that breastfood is always the most nutritionaly best for any baby. Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect VB, A girl a work is "too posh to push" I think she's just scared. After having an emergency c and a VB the recovery from a VB is a million times better When to start solids When you want to, I met a woman who gave her kids weetbix from 3mo and I don't think they grew any extra heads. When to start solids Homemade is wayyy cheaper and nicer BLW v Pureed food I love both Vaccination v Non-vaccination This is the point I got really annoyed about, because I know plenty of people who fully research Vaccinating before they choose to get their kids done, yes many people do it because they are told to, and thats crazy, but we choose to do a lot of things in life without fully researching (look at what we eat without asking what is in it). On the other side I have met a lot of people who don't immunise, and they do it out of complete ignorance, I have heard, "I just couldn't be bothered", "we don't have those diseases anymore", and "I didn't want to hurt the baby". There is a reason we don't have those diseases anymore, and I would be way too worried about the amount of immigrants that are coming from countries that do have still have these diseases to not immunise, Routine vs Non-Routine I would like to routine, but I find it way to stressful to try to implement, being that I don't really have a routine to my day. Do what works for you. However we do have a bedtime routine, I guess, my boys don't just stay up all hours of the night. CIO/CC vs not I don't know how people can do the other, my boys would cry my arms as young babies despite anything I did so I would have to leave them to CC. I think that CIO really doesn't work until they are 8 months old or so. In saying all that I do think people that try to sleep train under 6 weeks old are mean and a little crazy ( newborn cuddles are the best) Cloth nappies vs Disposables I like cloth, but sometimes I have to use dispoables when I can't cope. ------------- http://www.alterna-tickers.com"> 
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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 7:21am
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No time to weigh in on everything, but I've found the circumcision stuff interesting, since we had a little boy! (I wanted to post a thread, but didn't want it to become a nasty debate, so didn't bother).
I am swayed by the research re HIV, and do reckon it's cleaner (my cousin is an ambulance officer, and said he never reckoned circumcision was a good idea until he saw some dirty old men and now he'd get it done if he had a son). At the same time, we decided against. I didn't think the reduction of risk for HIV was enough to get it done in itself, and I figure we can teach him to keep things clean down there and if he doesn't later on that's his business. I wasn't keen on hurting the wee lad, and also assume that most little boys his age won't be so didn't want him to look 'different' in the loos at school. Also, you can hardly go back on that decision, whereas if he decides later in life he wants to be circumcised he can change that. I have no issue with people who do it for religeous reasons (Jewish people etc). On the other hand, I'm Christian, know other Christians who've had it done for religeous reasons, and can't find anything at all to convince me it's necessary for that reason. (Female circumcision is another matter - I'm against it no matter what, because it actually interfears with the use of your girl bits in a way that male circumcision really doesn't). -------------   
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 7:31am
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Smacking - I'm completely against smacking... I don't ever see it as necessary and think there are far more effective and relevant ways to discipline a child.
Circumcision - nope wouldn't do it if I had a boy - unnecessary IMO... BFing vs FFing - For me, I BF... for others, great if they're gonna give BFing a go, as we all know it's nutritionally the best start... but if you wanna FF it's your business... VB vs CC - I don't care what others do... I would prefer VB (and have had 2) but if necessary would have a CS... If for whatever reason someone else chooses elective CS I really don't care it's their recovery not mine... Solids - when ready... I will leave as long as poss this time as life is so much simplier just BFing... BLW vs Puree - need to look into BLW - with my others I did puree... Vacinnation vs non - Both my kids are fully vaccinated and I researched it and decided it was the best decision - it's a bit unfair to say cos someone comes to the decision to vac they are lazy as lots of us do research it! I agree with Flissty there is a reason these these dieases are no longer around... Also with regards to the "CBAed" comments - if someone really can't be bothered reading all the research themselves, I would think the safest/best option would be to follow the advice of the health professionals - which is the case in this situation
Routine or not - we have always been pretty flexible in our routine and it works for us.... CC, CIO or not - I have never done CIO, CC with my girls and don't really like the concept... Cloth vs disposables - we mainly used disposables but used cloth about 30% of the time... will try to use more cloth this time but we'll see ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 7:51am
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Is it even worth me putting my answers down here cos I'm pretty sure you'll all know already lol, but heres goes... Smacking Oh and we left off Vegetarian vs Meat (just to increase the wind up factor lol) VEGETARIAN
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 7:55am
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Seems vaxing is the most fiery topic on here. Vaccinations have their place and when DS1 stepped on a rusty nail when we were taking the old chicken coop apart we took him straight to the doctor and got his tetanus done because we both believe that vaxing is entirely appropriate in situations like that.
I don't agree that the drop in those diseases is down to vaccinations alone, we have better hygiene, better living situations, clean water, a better diet. All those things contribute to a healthier immune system. I've personally known a couple of children who have had an instant and dreadful reaction to their vaccinations and I've heard from a few doctors that it is very possible that children have more of a reaction to vaxing than is recorded as its not the 'done thing' to pursue any links between a child whos showing unwellness and their recent vaccinations. I have also seen in my research that many doctors do suspect that there are more reactions to the vaxing than is healthy (for lack of a better word) however due to lack of time, lack of support from the medical 'bosses' and the fact that often their income is made up in part from their support of drug companies and the like, nobody looks into it. I'm not arguing with anybody I'm just sharing a few things I've come across. Otherwise this is cool - its staying pretty friendly and like someone else said people can share their POV and reasons without it getting ridiculous -------------
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Posted By: myonlineself
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 7:59am
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Just wanted to have my say, then I'll go back and re-read everyone else's!
Smacking I think a smack has its place, but shouldn't be used in anger, and shouldn't be the main form of discipline. Circumcision I think its cruel and outdated. BFing v FFing Breast is best and I think its sad when people don't even try and its a shame when people give up early due to lack of support (when they wanted to keep going but felt they couldn't). FF definitely has its place. Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect The thought of a c-section totally scares the crap out of me. When to start solids I don't understand why you would chose to introduce solids prior to 6 months. If your baby is hungry its not like a bit of pureed carrot or something is going to fill them up more than milk.... Homemade solids v Storebrought solids Homemade is best, but I use storebought fruit.... BLW v Pureed food BLW rocks Vaccination v Non-vaccination At the risk of causing a backlash, I think non-vaccination is irresponsible and people who pedal anti-vaccination scare mongering stories should be shot. (and yes, I am very well informed on the topic). Routine v Non-routine Not in the early months.... CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) To quote a previous poster: No CIO/CC til after 9 months but limited use is best, if you can avoid it altogether then thats even better. Screaming it out is not acceptable unless a break is really really needed. - I agree completely Cloth nappies v Disposables I love cloth nappies. But don't really care what anyone else uses. ________________ ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:00am
You cruel and unusual parent you! How can you sleep at nght knowing you're deprivng your children of MEAT!!!!! Hide in that corner lady coz all the cows are coming to trample you!!
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:02am
good on you - i wouldnt dignify it with a response either. Re circumcision and the WHO guidelines, this is what i got from their site: WHO/UNAIDS recommendations emphasize that male circumcision should be considered an efficacious intervention for HIV prevention in countries and regions with heterosexual epidemics, high HIV and low male circumcision prevalence. Male circumcision provides only partial protection, and therefore should be only one element of a comprehensive HIV prevention package which includes: the provision of HIV testing and counseling services; treatment for sexually transmitted infections; the promotion of safer sex practices; the provision of male and female condoms and promotion of their correct and consistent use. This to me would indicate it would certainly not be something i would need to look into for my boys and it certainly isnt conclusive that circumcision would prevent aids in homosexual males. I cant help but wonder too that if part of the random trials education was also a part of it and that itself may have been why the rates dropped. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: JessDub
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:03am
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This is an interesting topic!
Smacking - No, although the threat of a smack on the butt from Dad was enough to pull me into line as a child. Circumcision - No, it's mutilation. BFing vs FFing - If you can BF, go for it. I was lucky to be able to BF. DS slept through the night for first time at 8 months after he was fully weaned from me and FF. Big ups for FF there. VB vs CS - None of my business really. Most CS women don't get the choice. Anyone who is to posh to push though, how could you readily choose major abdominal surgery... ouch. The vagina is designed for childbirth. Solids - Between 4-6 months, when the baby is hungry - and you will know! So much easier just BF/FFing for at least 6 months though. Storebought vs Homemade solids - I had a freezer full of lovingly prepared fruit and veg and DS would not have a bar of it. The only thing he liked was store bought pumpkin jars and the fruit custards. BLW vs Puree - Not sure, I think DS would have been better at BLW than puree but he's ok now. I put his fussiness down to not having teeth. Vaccination vs non - Yes. I'm in the 'fully vaccinated and I'm ok' party. I believe in herd immunity and as far as research goes, I have a uni background in human bio, so it was a non-starter. If my child died or was maimed from something that could have been prevented, I could not forgive myself. Routine or not - Not into rigid routine but a semblance of something was useful for organising my day. CC, CIO or not - CC was necessary for us when DS would be so overtired, it was the only way for him to sleep. I didn't like it but it worked and I had support from plunket, my MW in choosing to do so. Kathy Fray in OhBaby writes a good chapter on this. Cloth vs disposables - disposables. I gave cloth a go and didn't like it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:06am
thats why i gave up meat - *sigh* that was years ago and sadly i am an unfit meat eater now! ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:07am
I introduced solids at just under 3 months with Jake (on plunkets recommendation too) coz he was just so hungry, plus he was lunging at our food, and trying to put atuff in his mouth though he was totally unco. I gave him a mouthful and he rolled it around and ate it like a pro then promptly tried to grab the spoon. Tyler was somewhere between 3-4 months and he also was lunging for our food, pulling off the breast/bottle when we were eating and trying to persuade us to feed him. After a full BF and almost 750ml of formula and a still upset baby I offered him a banana (just held it up, whole) and he guzzled the whole thing. I think different babies have different tummies. Both my boys were pretty chunky born and they both have always been big eaters, for all the fact they're super long and lean -------------
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:09am
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Oh and i agree too with the person who mentioned the poo in disposables.
I could never understand why anyone would want poo sitting in their bin! But i am shocked at the amount of people who dont even know they should flush the solid waste! ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:23am
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i'm anti-c-sections that are unecessary and this is why:
I was pregnant in Japan with jake and we went to an Obs - as you do. He was telling me that I would probably have to have a c-section as he wouldn't be delivering on the weekends, or after 10 at night. basically they let you labour until they decide it's getting too late (for them) and then whip you off to get cut open. It was this remark coupled with "you don't need pain relief, having a baby doesn't hurt - woman need to get tougher" that made me determined to come back to NZ to have Jake (and we did) My blood pressure went through the roof - and it was only when I was at that doctors (i measured it at the gym and it was normal). And they tried to put me on a diet too, and told me I shouldn't be putting on any weight at all. They also put my 60kg gf (170cm tall) on a diet cause she was "too heavy" and had gained over 12 kgs in the pregnancy. the diet started in her thrid trimester. As a first time mum, it was terrifying to hear all the "control" I thought I had been taken away. Thank God for Jo Henwood - my midwife, who took me on overseas and then emailed me all the time dismissing my obs claims as "dumb", |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:31am
Um eeww!!! Would that be why whenever I have pork it gives me terrible wind and guts ache?? SO not eating that ever again lol!
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:34am
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Sheza its not just pork - all meat is digested that way. Originally man (as in the species) were vegetarians. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: myonlineself
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:37am
Ok, this is super interesting, I guess I had a baby who happily let me wait until she was 6 months old. No way would she have eaten a banana so early. I stand informed! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:41am
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Pork takes the longest though we eat a vege based diet with meat being the side rather than meat based with veges being the side. On a total side note people that cut down o their meat intake, cut out processed foods and fizzy drinks lost an average of 4 inches from their gut and another guy who basically ate meat only had a colon cleanse and lost just over 10kg just from what cleared out of his guts -------------
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Posted By: blondy
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:42am
Absolutely agree with this, and I too wouldn't circumcise just to reduce the possible HIV transmission! (and I hope too that research like this doesn't mean African governments get themselves out of promoting safe sexual practices!) My earlier comment was simply that because of research like this, the circumcision 'debate' is certainly not over. -------------
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:43am
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:45am
Alot of babies do get fed before they're ready but sometimes they really do need it. I forgot to say Jake ate an entire pureed bowl of food that first time too. They both know when they've had enough and they stop which is good and they aren't fat by any stretch of the imagination but yep both like their food -------------
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:47am
i dont think it will ever be over renee - so long as men have penis's! lol! I think that pre HIV disease reduction was already used as a reason to get it done... changing times just mean a change in disease.
i am definitely in the as close to 6 month camp on this one but this is definitely a case of baby led weaning! Baby decided when it was hungry and baby went for it! LOL! i tried my boys at about 4 mths but neither of them were interested so tried again later and it turned out 5.5 mths was when they were ready. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: mummyofprinces
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:48am
Yup that pretty sums it up except the VB/CS thing... having also been through a traumatic induction that ended in CS I WILL take an induction over an elective .... I cant believe how many people are under the impression that you cant be induced if you have had c-section its bollocks! Oh and I am anti smacking.. for MY children. I can see that some children respond to it but having nannied for many years and not having smacking as an option, you learn to discipline in other ways. Oh and Kate, while it may have been very annoying for you to be in labour knowing you would need a c-section, by doing it they have actually helped you out for any subsequent VB labours AND its better for you and baby to labour if possible... will happily explain it more to you if you like -------------   
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:54am
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myonlineself- non vaxxers should be shot? edited to add- I DID misread your post, apologies. It just seems that those non vaxxers who scare monger should be shot? Hmmmm. I wonder who decides who is who lol ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 9:05am
*Like* that attitude
On the meat front, I'm in no hurry at all to go vegetarian. But I do think we eat way too much of it, I try and work in vege meals often. -------------
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Posted By: MyLilSquishy
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 9:21am
I didnt read the others - just Babe's first post lol.
Agree
Disagree
Agree
Agree (my CS was for a footling breech and was really upset that i couldnt VB, but going to try for a VBAC for #2)
Agree (BLW started at 5m 1w)
Agree but dont really care lol. we BLW so didnt need to buy anything except an extra carrot or whatever.
Agree that if they are fed I dont care what people do. we BLW but its not for everyone!
Disagree - I know why I vaccinate and non-vaccinators know why they do it. We all have to live with our decisions regardless of which decision we make. We all believe we are doing right by our kids so again I dont really care lol
Agree and Disagree. We have a structured order as opposed to a routine. Some babies dont respond well to a routine, others have to be routined and again its up to the parents and we all are trying to do right, and a happy functioning mama means a happy functioning baby
Agree and Disagree. I am anti CC/CIO - buuuuut I will let him whinge and moan all he likes. its when the screaming and tears start that I go to him. He rarely does it anyway, normally just when he has had a bad day. Im not about to go "bad mother" this or "how dare you" that because again, my child is my child. your child is your child. I have no right [/QUOTE]
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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 9:50am
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Ok, my turn
Smacking....not against it, dont know if it makes me a better parent....find that chucking the odd smack in everynow and again has MAJOR impact (excuse the pun). And by smack I am meaning little more than a slap on thigh, bum (just after bath is best ) or hand. I dont agree in the old fashioned "over the knee" or "wait till your father comes home" type.
Circumcision. ....absolutely not!! couldnt do it. Even if it was medically necessary you'd have to give me a bloody good case.....vaccinations are hard enough...cutting off penis bits....ouch ouch ouch. Totally unnecessary in most cases. As someone else said religious reasons dont wash either. BFing....totally...but also support people who genuinely need to use formula. I just get sad at the lack of support and education for breastfeeding. I know of so many that "cant" or stop early because they just didnt realise that what was happening was normal (eg breasts not feeling full after a while etc). Solids......To be honest, I was led by peer pressure and excitement to start my first early...but even though we had a go at 4months it was more like 5 before I really did it. 2nd time round you realise its far too much work...why do it early? Homemade vs bought. Nothing wrong with bought stuff if you know what you are buying. Its easy, and they are on the pureed stuff for such a short time before having real food.........I tended to buy jars. BLW vs puree....whatever works for the child (and lazy mum ). that wasnt an offending comment...just meaning that it needs to be easy for mum
Vaxing...def vax here. I researched and decided vaxing was he best choice for us. What else? C-section vs vaginal. Vaginal first choice EVERY TIME!!! I've had both and I think babies were meant to come out your fanny but we are incredibly lucky that those that cant/wont have a second option. years ago mum and bubs would have died. Nappies....a combo of both is realistic for me. ...I just wish I didnt still have to use the bloody things. WHEN WILL HE TT???? Feels good to get your opinions out doesnt it? |
Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 9:52am
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Oh, and the reason I posted...I wanted to add another one that I recently started thinking about.
Piercing babies ears. I didnt think I had a problem with it till a friend said she was going to do it (cultural). It got me thinking and why would you put a hole in your baby? I had mine done at 6....I wanted it, and I think that is different....but a baby? What are views on that? |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 9:55am
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Baby not here yet so unable to say for certain what I will do. Smacking When to start solids Homemade solids v Storebrought solids ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:01am
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I ended up paying to get my own done when I was 13, as my Mum wouldn't let me get them done and I had to be old enough to take care of them myself. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: MyLilSquishy
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:06am
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oh and Cloth Nappies v. Sposies
we use both (sposies at night) because i would rather use 1 sposie a night and not have to wash his sheets and matress protector every day. he pees SOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH! call me lazy but i dont care lol. and vegetarian vs. meat we are a meat household. yum! we have meat every night, but we do huge salads and i make enough meat for one helping, and enough salad for seconds so i dont see the problem. |
Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:12am
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Snap this is what I'm wanting to do, its not being lazy, I've no wish to be a slave to my washing machine there will be enough without having to wash bedding every day as well as clothes. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:14am
I think peoples concept of a routine differ. We get up at approximately the same time everyday, I know when Tyler is going to expect to sleep and while that doesn't mean I don't go out at those times it means I know he'll need to either be in his carseat or I'll be babywearing, so he can sleep happily. It also means that I can organise playdates or activities with/for Jake round the times of day when I know Tyler CAN go without a nap if need be, and also at times when I know it'll suit Jakes tired levels. It means I know when they last ate and whether thats a hungry cry/meltdown or not, when they last woke up and how long they slept for so I know whether thats a tired cry/meltdown, etc. I fed Tyler 2-2.5hourly from the 2nd week on because that tended to be when he was hungry so I worked our day round that structure, whereas Jake went straight into a 3-3.5hourly routine for himself (I fully demandfed for the first week). I don't know about other routining mothers but I work my day around the natural routine my kids have and just tweak it slightly so everyone is in tune (most of the time lol). -------------
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:18am
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I've come across some parents who are rigid about routines - this particular family dad is Army which may have something to do with it. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: MyLilSquishy
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:20am
lol thats what i was trying to say. Riley has a sleep-feed-1/2hour play-food-play-sleep "order" and i know the average times he goes down for a nap and for roughly how long so it is easier to plan around groceries, playdates etc.
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Posted By: _H_
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:22am
Gees what a lazy mum! haha no your just a SMART mum ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:31am
Ha Ha. you so wrote what I wrote but the kids pressed a button and it was all gone!!!! Will add my thought in now and take out the bits I don't need.
CC/CIO Not a fan at all below 9ish months. I think its mean. You can't "train" babies carnivoreVS vego Hell no Im a carnivore all the way. not much better than a big bit of scotch fillet (tea tonight) or a bacon buttie!!! Pericing ears Not a fan on it on kids. C will be aT LEAST 10, which is when I got it done. Yeah it looks cute, sometimes, but its YOUR choice not theirs...I think thats kinda doidgy...You can't tell me a three year old who begs to get them done understands the implications? Routines Im a fan of the relaxed routine, more of structure than "routine", makes it easier to see your way round the day if you know that soemt ime after luch comeone is having a sleep and at 10 amish there is a sleep or whatever, but I thing if they want a sleep you shouldn't hold them out cos its "not time" NOT a fan of clock feeding AT ALL. Went to a BDay part over summer and this woman (who had 2 other kids so not inexperienced) was almost screamign with frustration at her baby who was clearly hungry/thirsty (a stinking stinking hot jan day) and making all the "cues" that "You can't be thirsty, you are not having a drink its not time yet you only had one 2 hours ago". Baby got quite distressed and screamed in thirst for the next half hour or so when mum finally gave in and then she moaned to the baby about being spolit and giving in etc. HArsh! ------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P |
Posted By: SMoody
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:31am
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Smacking
To me I feel sometimes it is warranted. Not an every day thing or even a weekly thing but sometimes just one whack and it is sorted. Circumcision I said in the beginning that this is more a decision for hubby. Due to his whole family believing in it we said yip. But then before we were pregnant with Andrew a saw a dvd on how it is done and as the baby was screaming the Dr saying it doesnt hurt. I showed hubby it and within a few seconds he just said switch that off and said NO WAY. BFing v FFing For our family breastmilk all the way. I really do believe breastmilk is the best and to do it until such time that they dont really need to drink milk every day or they chose to stop. However in saying that I dont think it is wrong for anyone else to make a different choice for their family. Happy mother, happy baby happy family. C-section versus vaginal: Well lets see I planned a drugfree natural waterbirth with my girl. I landed up with a c-section being totally knocked out and not even there for the birth. I planned a c-section with my son and landed up having him with an epidural thatdidnt work as the batteries in the pump was put in the wrong way. And I had him on the day the c-section was planned. So the only thing I say is you can plan and have ideals on how that is going to go but you can land up with the complete opposite. Just as long as you and baby are fine in the end who cares? When to start solids I am very mad with myself here. Really mad. Our original plan was as close to 6 months as possible. I landed up with an emergency gallbladder operation that resulted in infection and severe pain. I listened to my MIL insisting McKayla was hungry and wants more and she is ready. So at 4 and a half months we gave her rice cereal and she did love it. Then Andrew came and he literally lunched off and grab food of his sisters plate to eat it and swallowed before we could even stop him. But he is sitting with severe egg allergy, allergy to dairy as well as kiwifruit and there is still something that we cant pin down. And I am blaming myself a bit. What if we waited longer.... I suppose I can play that if game for as long as I can I will never find the answer. Homemade solids v Storebrought solids.McKayla was on homemade and then we had to move overseas and I had to get her to eat the storebought stuff and that was a struggle and I had to do it over here as she wouldnt eat homemade food. I resorted to storebought until she was about 2 combining it with homemade. Andrew homemade and it was easy as it was BLW. In saying this McKayla is less fussy than Andrew now but Andrew was less fussy as a smaller baby. I think it is due to allergies however as he gets very picky if he doesnt feel well. So dont care what works for you and your family. BLW v Pureed food Pureed with McKayla, BLW with Andrew but had to go to pureed to get him to eat anything at 9 months (until we sorted the allergy thing) and it was him forcing the spoon in my hand and leading my hand to feed him. (so guess technically BLW?) Vaccination v Non-vaccination Depends for what and at what age. I do MMR delayed. And need to think carefully now with Andrew and his allergy to egg. I did give the chicken pox one to McKayla and will do it later for Andrew. And I thought of another couple - Routine v Non-routine I go with the flow. They get themselves into a natural routine. Second time around Andrew just had to sort of follow the routine with McKayla. But I do not force anything. It is only at about age 3 that there is a bedtime for the kids. CIO/CC v Not I was always against this. Seriously McKayla never cried. If she did you knew it was something serious. However I learned to tune out with Andrew. I however dont just leave him. But I had a few times that I had to walk away as there is literally nothing I can do and me getting very upset at it. So I will hand him to his Dad and just walk away for a bit and he normally settles with his DAd. He feels that I am getting tense too. THis is loads better since we found some triggers with his allergies. But I rather will let a mother put her child in a cot and walk away than doing something she will regret. My whole motto these days is make the best decision for your child and your family situation. I co-sleep, use disposables, breastfeed for longer than 2 years, vaccinate and dont leave my kids to cry. But it works as both me and hubby are on the same wavelength and discussed before we had kids and rechanged a few things since having. I do admit that if people ask me why I still breastfeed my child for so long that I say: I dont see the need to feed my child milk made for a baby cow when I make milk designed for my own baby. And I stand by that. That is how both me and my hubby feel FOR OUR FAMILY. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Babykatnz
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:33am
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Hmm.. bit of a sotrm over the vacc vs non-vacc camp...maybe I need to clarify how I worded my original post...
When i say I CBA researching it, I didnt want to go and google any possibilities as a result of doing it that IMO are extremely rare, when compared to the prospect of losing or having my child permanently disabled disfigured, to me it was a no brainer. I would rather they have a day or 2 of a red patch and slight fever as a result of having it, than the alternative had I NOT done it. I also didnt worry about egg being the base of it etc as I have heard many non-vacc'ers going on about, noone in my family is allergic to it, and neither is anyone in DP's family... so its a non-issue. My 'non-research' was simply seeing what I have in the media as a result of catching the diseases kids are being immunised against, and knowing I didnt want to risk that being my child one day. Ear piercing. Not until she is old enough to ASK for it herself, and on more than one occasion (i.e not a spur of the moment thing) I have NO idea when my mother planned on allowing me to have mine done, but my paternal grandparents (much to her disgust) took that decision out of her hands when they got mine done on a day trip with them around 5 or 6 years old. BUT I was old enough (and mature enough) to know how to look after them, and I still have the same piercing... no intention of getting any more done though lol! Babe, your routine sounds much the same as mine. I worked around the kids natural routine, but once it was set i rarely divert from it, I am not too good at 'winging' it and hoping things turn out ok lol vege vs meat I dont care what meat does to my body, I like it too much Jae doesnt have meat very often, but thats because the meat we have isnt really suitable for little teeth that arent too good at chewing yet, even B doesnt eat much meat for the same reason, he struggles with it.------------- Brandon - 05/12/2003
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Posted By: Peanut
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:34am
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Have looked at this a couple of times this morning and thought ..no, don't say anything but TBH I am finding it interesting reading so here goes:
Smacking - Happens in our house occasionally but TBH my son hates to be excluded so time out works a treat with him esp if I put him in a spot in the same room as we are doing stuff so he can see but not play. Circumcision _ Don't see a need for it but can understand the religious side of it. I would have no issues doing it if my child medically needed it. BFing v FFing - Breast is best , no doubt about it but the act of BF is not for everyone. So I couldn't really care less how a child is fed as long as its not hungry. Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect - I have had 2 VB's but would be fascinated to have had a CSection or be able to see why. I think thats my nursing coming out. I think its a waste of money to pay to have an elective if its not mecially needed and a waste of surgeons time when he could be dealing with people who actually need one. When to start solids - when they are ready and it can soo vary per child. I must say though I do get a bit judgemental when I say under 3 months having proper solids. My oldest started at 5 months, my youngest at about 7 months. Homemade solids v Storebrought solids - Homemade all the way. Quick and easy and you know whats in it. I do have cans in my nappy bag just in case. BLW v Pureed food - Pureed with #1 and a mix with #2 as I was more confident to just chuck him stuff and see what happened. Vaccination v Non-vaccination - I researched this but not until after the 6 weeks imms when I panicced that I hadn't looked into it. They are both semi immunised. I have pulled them out of things and delayed things. My oldest will not be having the 4 year MMR imms. If he has a blood test sometime in the next few years I will be checking him immunity to measles and will re consider it based on the findings. Routine v Non-routine - No real routine. #1 routined himself which was great. #2 was a reflux baby who now has allergy issues so I ten to runw ith whatever with him. I am strict in their bedtime routine but not at what time it occurs. If that makes sense? CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) - Used CIo with limited success with #1 so won't bother with #2. Cloth nappies v Disposables - I use mroe disposables but have cloth to use and i do use them. I tend to find winter hard but am looking fwd to summer! Right, off to get dressed. -------------  
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:42am
This one made my day
When my kids were babies .. they were pretty much the "boss" .. they are so tiny for such a short space of time that if they needed me to hold them to sleep, walk 500 miles jiggling or even listen to Ronan Keating sing one particular song for hours on end in the middle of the wee hours .. I did it ... not such a big deal really. Now they are older ... I'm the boss .. (well most days I am). ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year  http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: JessDub
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:42am
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Little bit off topic, sorry, but how do you dispose of your cat/dog poo? Ours goes in the general rubbish, i.e. to landfill.
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Posted By: MyLilSquishy
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:52am
hehehehehe. but then again I used to like Hanson in my younger days so i guess i cant say anything LOL
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:54am
That's exactly how I feel ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:56am
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Hmm, I will answer most of these with C in mind, since she is old enough to see if any of my decisions with her have done any long term damage. And cos I feel like being different.
Smacking-definetly has its place and I've never been opposed to it, though I only ever smacked C once. My friend's daughter tho, Id like to smack her, but thats a different story. Circumscion -(HTH do you spell that?) im neither here nor there about it. Hehe but I don't mind either myself having been there "done " both BFing is best...IF you can , AND if you want to , not my business how someone feeds their child so long as they do, and as i've mentioned in other posts, Im very grateful to formula because it made a really difficult time when we lost my friend a little bit easier,knowing her baby would get fed. Anyway , C I BF, and at first I hated it, but I was at Bethany Centre where I had no choice but to perservere and ended up loving it and doing it til she self weaned at 13 months, I was lucky. VB-vs EC-Vaginal birth is better I think for the mum's recovery, but if someone needs an EC for medical reasons, fair enough, if they do cos they don't want to push, then I think usually they are scared, so I feel sad for them that they are so scared they would rather have surgery. I had a VB with both of mine, drug free and I think im very lucky to be able to do so....It does make me sad when people who have a C section, whether elective or emergency feel guilty for not giving birth naturally, you kept your baby healthy like you were meant to, and you brought them into the world safely, as is your job as a mum, doesn't matter how you did it Solids-both kids I started when they were ready ,not me (extra work making food? no thanks ) Home made vs Bought-with both, I used both, and from what I see of C, having some store bought food hasn't done her harm BLW vs pureed -never heard of it with C, so she was a pureed baby, again, shes fine, no long term harm, knows at 8 how to chew carrots Ty, did a mix of both, hes fine too Vaccinating-not vaccinating- I vaccinate, did research,best choice for me, C's stepmum and her dad don't vaccinate, they've never had an issue with me vaccinating, i've never had an issue with them not vaccinating and they are closer to home than people online, so Im not going to justify my decision much routine vs not- C had a routine, Ty a more relaxed one. Again, both are fine CIO/CC -not - C I used CIO, she slept through early, Ty, well hes my little baby boy, and Im a lot softer on him (something I swore I never would do) and I don't do either. Which is making a rod for my own back frankly, because hes waking 3 times a night at 15months so something has to change cloth vs disposables -used disposables with C, 8 years ago cloth was still pretty foreign, wasn't until I joined here when she was 3 that the whole craze was becoming more popular. Ty I use cloth, my DH especially loves cloth ("saves me money? yes please, more for me to spend on my car " ) Piercings- I got C's ears pierced when she was 5, after a lot of begging from her, she got bored of them and they closed up, then against my better judgement, I allowed to get them re pierced at 8, ended up getting infected and we had to go to the A&E and get them taken out with big scary looking instruments....she can pierce them when she is old enough to pay for them -------------
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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:58am
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My friend ran her life around her daughter, almost 5 years later, her daughter is still the boss of the household . With an attitude to match.
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 11:19am
my cats dispose of their own poo! i dont have a dog but if i did i would imagine that my husband could deposit any deposits from the lawn in a hole in the garden somewhere! ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: Joscia
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:06pm
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Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:21pm
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Oh I forgot CIO.not CIO......I cant stand my kids crying like that..I just cant do it. That said I am trying to toughen up a little with my 20month old and about to do verbal reassurance. Even though I "know" he is ok it still kills me to hear it...but its killing me more him not sleeping. Breaking point reached!
routine vs non routine. Kids like routine. Parents not as much When mine were young I let them fall into their own routines with tweeking. I watched carefully for sleep cues etc and found they tended to follow a pattern. A friend said once that its not so much a "routine" as a "Sequence of events" and thats the way I did it. THe only thing I dont agree with being strict on is feeding time when breastfeeding...that happened when it was needed. I totally do not agree with feeding a young baby by the clock...or any child for that instance. If you are hungry you are hungry!
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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:30pm
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Smacking
I don't smack, as I don't think it would be a very effective form of discipline. Also agree with what flissty said about not doing it because you are angry. Circumcision I have pro doing this for medical reasons., otherwise I don't think it is very necessary. I remember when my 2 week old little brother got done I could hear him screaming from the car park.
BFing v FFing I combined from birth (mainly breast feed) as I truly thought I had problems. I realise now that my 'problems' were normal. I think this is the case for a lot of people, and would like to see more support somehow. Thats the reason I thought formula on script would be a good idea. Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect After the birth I had I think I would rather a elective if I ever dare get pregnant again! When to start solids I started at 4.5 months. He seemed to be ready. In hind sight I wish I started later as the novelty wore off fast lol. Homemade solids v Storebrought solids Generally homemade, but we did have only organics occasionly. BLW v Pureed food I did pureed for DS, but next time I will probally do BLW. Vaccination v Non-vaccination We don't vaccinate after DS had a massively serious reaction which put him in hospital. When hospital staff are talking about possible brain damage due to a prolonged high temp, well it definitely motivated me to do some research. And I thought of another couple - Routine v Non-routine I thought about doing a routine, but it seemed kinda complicated :/ CIO/CC v Not (coz I can't think of what that'd be called) Im really against this for babies under 6-7 months, and I didn't even attempt letting DS cry in bed until he was about 1. I am a bit of a softy though. When babies under the age of 6months are left to cio, their brains are flooded with the stress hormone cortisol, which can hinder brain development. Even the cc/cio 'experts' do not recomend it for under 6months. Cloth/disposables Use both :) Should use the cloth more though...spent so much money on the damn things. |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:30pm
Very much LIKE!!!!! Im so over watching my friends kids be the boss around their house.........drives me insane and to be sitting there biting my tongue the whole time |
Posted By: DzinerGirl
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:37pm
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Smacking
We aren't at this stage yet but the plan is to use time-out however in a dangerous situation i.e playing with fire, running out onto the road etc and we've thoroughly explained the danger and he still does it then I imagine smacking will be used. "Hopefully" I'll be scary enough if he does something wrong that that will be enough to stop him doing it again (hahahahah wishful thinking much?) Circumcision Noah is circumcised. It was his dad's decision to make. I hated the whole process but respected DH's decision. End of story. BFing v FFing I BF. BFing is best there's no denying that but I think you need to do what is best for your baby. What I do object to is the way FFing mums are viewed in NZ, it's not fair to make them feel they are bad parents - they aren't ,yet people seem to think it's ok to frown disapprovingly at them or even make nasty comments. I've seen it so many times when we've been out and about and it's disgusting. Vaginal birth v Elective c-sect I think having an elective because you don't want to push isn't right but having an elective because of medical reasons is a totally different. When to start solids We've started Noah at 4 months, he's shown all the signs and gobbled down the little that we have given him so far. Homemade solids v Storebrought solids We've only given homemade so far but am not against store-bought. Saving $$ is a big incentive for us to continue with HM BLW v Pureed food Don't know much about BLW so it's pureed food here Vaccination v Non-vaccination Noah is vaccinated but I wish I had resarched earlier as I wouldn't have started at 6wks and would have got them split up. I'm looking into the MMR at the moment and have yet to make a decision. The reason I started to look into the options was I felt pressured into vaccinating which actually made me stop and think hold on just what exactly do you want to put into my baby? Routine v Non-routine I stressed myself out when he was only weeks old as everyone kept asking if he was in a routine and I thought I was doing something wrong because he wasn't but I realised I had a happy, healthy baby and that was what was important, once I stopped trying to force him into a routine and just went with the flow I was a lot happier. These days I try and stick to a feed/play/sleep routine but don't watch the clock. If we are out and it's time for him to sleep he sleeps on me or wherever I can put him down. this works for us, we are never restricted by having to be home by a certain time or not going out because he's asleep, as long as he has had at least 45 mins then we wake him up if he's due to go down and we need to go out we go out earlier and he falls asleep in the car/buggy. CIO/CC v Not At bedtime we leave him for a couple of minutes before going in but it's more constant grizzles because he doesn't want to go to sleep than stressed out crying. If it's a stressed out/somethings wrong cry we go in straight away Cloth nappies v Disposables I was adamant we were going to use cloth on him from the beginning but he was too small to fit them so we ended up using sposies. He fits them now so we use a combination. We don't have a big enough stash to be full time cloth just yet (seeing as getting the ones we have dry in time is a mission) but that is the goal Piercing When they ask for it to be done then it will be decided depending on whether we think they will be able to take care of the piercing. We've been talking about this as a sideline to the tattoo issue (which is years away I know), seeing as DH has tattoos we can't really say "no you can't have one" but he (or she in the future) will have conditions on getting it done and DH will go with them to make sure the place is respectable, clean etc. Rear-Facing vs Front-Facing I haven't looked into this yet so don't have an opinion either way...yet
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:41pm
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Dog poo when we had them was either buried in the garden or went down the loo. Not sure what your meaning by the Landfill being something to play in? These days the council would get sued if they allowed it, major health and safety issue and I'd be interested to know of a Landfill where it was permitted to scavange these days. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:47pm
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I'll clarify my original post as it seems to have been misintepreted. I don't have any problem at all with people researching and vaccinating. An informed choice is a good choice. I do have a problem with people not researching at all or only reading a government pamphlet, which is not research.
I wasn't trying to scare monger either just explain that vaccination is not without risk, the risks are actually pretty high and when you couple that with inadequate research into their safety and efficacy and also that the reporting system for adverse effects is only voluntarily thus meaning that we really have no idea how many children are effected I then find it extremely worrying that parents vax without reading up on it first. I do get annoyed at the parents for this because the information is there if you just go look for it, or ask the doc for the package insert and read that before doing it at the very least. I also think you should understand the diseases, I've spent as much time looking at the diseases as I have at the vaccinations and have found the risks to most of them are no where near as high as the government pamphlets would have us believe, they hype up worse case scenario of disease and then list the very mild side effects of the vaccines with no mention or only a brief mention of the more serious side effects, leaving you feeling like if you dont' vax your child will die if they catch one of these illnesses which just isn't true. They are actually the best at the scaremongering. I get much more annoyed with the government, doctors and pharmaceutical companies though for not properly explaining the pros and cons to parents in the first place (and for not doing adequate research as well). And think I will actually now direct my anger and frustrations towards them by writing my complaints about the systems in place to the relevant people, instead of getting wound up on forums. So I apologise for getting annoyed on here at people I don't know, and I hope my above post at leasts gets some parents to question vaccination and research it before they decide whether to do it or not. |
Posted By: nicandtyler
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:52pm
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two_boys *like your whole post, especially the part about informed choice, i made an extremely informed choice not to vaccinate, one that i am happy with, and im glad I had people around me telling me to research before I made that decision, as it has been the biggest decision I have made ever. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 1:04pm
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I agree too!! I've had the chickenpox, measles, rubella, whooping cough and meningitis not to mention influenza however many times and, other than the meningitis which was viral so vax wouldn't work anyway, I was totally fine! I was a non-vaccinated babe too BTW.
IMO its the vaccinating parents that tend to be scaremongering (generalised comment of course) as I have had to defend myself or atleast sit there and take stupid comments about how worried these vaxing people are for my children and how will I feel when they get a disease and end up malformed or dead and I could have prevented it, etc, so damn often. Hullo I don't tell you that you should be shot for injecting your child with poison - where do you get off having me on about my choice? Want proof that its a bad idea? I've got loads so bring it on
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