Another daycare issue!
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Topic: Another daycare issue!
Posted By: AzzaNZ
Subject: Another daycare issue!
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 10:15am
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Does your school/daycare take your child on outings without your knowledge/permission?
I popped past the supermarket after work one day and saw one of my daughters daycare teachers there with 6 or 7 of the kids from her daycare. My heart stopped for a second until I saw my daughter wasnt one of them and I assumed their parents must have ok'd it. Today I got my daughter to daycare late and the kids were all gathered together. A teacher told me they were all going on the bus to a park or the mall. I was very unhappy but felt ambushed and ended up leaving our 3 year old with her. DH is furious with me - justifiably. We dont allow her to go on school outings without one of us going along. And I'm miserable. I dont want her on a bus or any other vehicle without a carseat. I dont want her near a road without a parent. And I certainly dont want her in a crowded shopping mall on christmas eve without me there 
Is it normal for daycares to do this? What if I'd dropped her at normal time and gone to fetch her early as I'd planned... if I got there to find she wasnt there I think I'd have had a meltdown. I'm already having a bit of a meltdown because I wasnt big enough to say "hell no." ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: happymumma
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 10:31am
| Do you know that they go without your permission? I'm not sure that they are allowed to that's all. Our daycare will always ring and get permission from a parent and they tend to go in pretty small groups. Sometimes it's two or three children only and with two adults even with that small a group - for example, DS went on a train trip to the library the other day with a couple of other children only. |
Posted By: NovemberMum
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 10:31am
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at my daughters (she doesnt go there now) daycare any outings they had there was a notice at least a few days early and a sheet of paper that you signed if you gave permission.
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Posted By: kiwi2
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 10:33am
| I think this is disgusting. Surely there has to be a permission slip signed etc. I would definately be questioning the management of this establishment. |
Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 10:40am
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I have a strong feeling I wouldnt have been told at all if I hadnt told one of the teachers I would be fetching her early.
The teacher said "oh, do you have to fetch her early?" And I said "why?" And thats when she said "because we're taking them to the park or mall and we'll only be back after 1pm"  ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: happymumma
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 10:49am
| I'm fairly certain that they are required to have your permission to take children off their property. Just in the same way that schools are required to have permission. I definitely wouldn't be happy with mine going anywhere without permission. |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 10:53am
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At DS's daycare I had to sign a form to say I gave my permission for them to take Caden on little outings, I said it was ok.
They often go for walks to the park and stuff. ETA and they have like 3 kids to one adult or something, cant remember exactly. I trust my sons daycare teachers 100% they are brilliant, but I do still feel a bit...nervous about him going some where without me! ------------- |
Posted By: GuestGuest
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 10:55am
| That's terrible and seems really strange that they would think that was ok! Was there a form you signed when your daughter started? Maybe there was some info in there about it? |
Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 10:58am
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I dont know if we signed a form about it when we started but I am going to check with the centre owner and if we did I'd like to amend it so that they can only take her on outings with our permission and knowledge of each time. Rather than a blanket "yes its ok" ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 11:07am
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I find it odd that they would take the kids out without telling parents in case they were to be picked up earlier in the first place.
Did you sign anything when you enrolled her there that may of said the odd walk out...may pay to check. If you are not happy with her leaving the centre without your permission/knowledge (fair enough), then put it in writing & talk to the head teacher. I worked in a centre yrs ago & we had set days we walked the older kids to the train bridge to watch the trains & the local park, the parents knew & it was part of our program. I often went to the supermarket 2min walk to get nappies or stuff & took a child with me, usually the little boy who I baby sat for. I have to sign permission for my kids to go on school & kindy trips & would NOT be happy if they went off on a bus without me knowing. I dropped off DS3 at kindy one morning on the last week to see a sign up asking for mums to walk with them that morning as the were taking the kids out (4+yrs) for a walk. I have not problem with that but if I had know I would of walked with them & I think they should of asked for a signed permission before taking them of the grounds. As a parent you need to know where your kids are, if I drop them off at school or kindy that is where they should be till I pick them up unless I say otherwise. |
Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 11:50am
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Yeah thats totally it Jazzy, We drop them off and thats where they should be till I collect them!
DS's daycare always have what thye are doing that day on the board outside or what they have done that day. I signed my permission form when I enrolled DS. ------------- |
Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 11:52am
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This sounds very odd and wrong to me.....In all the years my daughter has been at creche, kindy and school they have always sent home a permission slip at least a week in advance.
I would be pretty unimpressed and concerned at the lack of teacher/parent communication they seem to have going on there ------------- 
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 11:55am
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The thing I signed was for "small outings" ie to the dairy or the park etc, for big bus trips and stuff they send home a form at least a week before the trip, and we have to sign it and bring it back. ------------- |
Posted By: noodle
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 12:00pm
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It's against the regulations to take them off the centre premises without parental consent. I'm shocked this centre does this! I would definatley be speaking to the head teacher or management. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 12:33pm
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Glad to know its not normal practice - I'll check if we signed anything and let them know she cant go anywhere without us giving permission in advance ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Mum2ET
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 2:09pm
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Do you know any of the other parents with children there? Maybe have a quiet word to them as well and see if they are aware of it. I can't imagine many parents would be impressed with their children being taken on outings without asking their permission first. ------------- Mum to Ella (5) and Tom (2) |
Posted By: zoeymil
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 3:20pm
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I'm an early childhood teacher ... and i do not think that it's ok to be taking children on bus to maybe the park or mall!!!!!
Every excursion we go on unless it is a 4km radius of preschool and the parents have signed a form and no they going has to have a risk assessment form filled out this is required by the ministry of ed!!!!! When parents enrol their child they can sign a form giving permssion to take their children on short walks but we always still seek their prior to the walk!!!! I would be very annoyed if i turned up and my daughter was not at daycare and i didn't know!!!!!! Talk to the manager/ Head teacher... Also it's xmas eve....  ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: AzzaNZ
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 3:37pm
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Turns out they went into the CBD
And included a visit to the place my husband works so he of course saw them on the surveillance cameras. Eep. ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: J&Ls mum
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 3:53pm
Yip thats the same at our daycare! When J was in the under 2's they went by minivan with carseats, now she is with the big kids they go in a big bus and don't have carseats (which i was iffy about) but the littlest ones sit with a teacher or parent. So far they have been to the honey farm and the fire station. ------------- J - born 26th April 2008 and L - born 3rd Sept 2010 http://alterna-tickers.com"> 
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Sheza wrote:Posted By: HuntersMama
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 4:06pm
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I have signed a form at daycare to say I am happy for them to take DS on day trips (not that they ever do, hes too young), they should get your permission first though. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: myonlineself
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 5:06pm
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why would you take a bunch of preschool kids to the CBD on Christmas eve? surely lots of parents want to pick them up early? Maybe the teacher had some christmas shopping to do?! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 5:26pm
gee I would not even want to take my 3 kids there then..eeek |
Posted By: AuntieSarah
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 7:26pm
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Like the others said, sometimes there can be a blanket permission form to sign as part of enrolment form for short walks etc. Anything further, particularly involving more than walking (bus or car) should have a separate notice and permission form. No way is 6 or 7 kids with one teacher ok on an outing! And there should NOT be jsut one teacher out with kids either, there should always be two at least. What if one child is injured or something while they're out - what do they do with the rest of them?? (unless, like someone else said, they are just out with one child).
Have a look at their excursion policy and see what they are supposed to be doing for excursions, and what the adult:child ratio is supposed to be. |
Posted By: kabe
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 7:54pm
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I wouldn't be impressed with that sort of adult/child ratio, or having my DD go on a bus trip without my permission either. Saying that, at my DD's daycare they often take the kids on a walks around the neighbourhood (without asking our permission) and I'm fine with that. They always have plenty of staff in attendance. I'm guessing I probably signed something when she enrolled.
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Posted By: Manda08
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 8:28pm
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Wow!!!! Thats stupid, i would be very upset also. DS gets to go for walks now and then, about 500 metres down the road to see the cows etc, but that is it. Any other trip must be signed for, and like you i also make sure a family member goes on things like that... I know they will look after him but im more comfortable going myself or a family member.
Glad the trip went with out any problems, but that is also by far not the point. For now enjoy xmas and then sort it out when she goes back.  ------------- 
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Posted By: bext1
Date Posted: 24 December 2010 at 11:29pm
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That is pretty crazy, taking small children into the city on Xmas eve?
We have to sign permission slips at least a week prior for trips at the boys daycare. I think it's a ratio of 1 adult to 3 children. They do take them for walks, but that is on the property, and I am fine with that, But like everyone else, I would seriously be questioning the taking of trips without permission. ------------- 
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Posted By: My3Sons
Date Posted: 26 December 2010 at 8:40am
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that does sound really strange!! ------------- Mum to Mr 10, Mr 6 and Mr 4 
 
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Posted By: LJsmum
Date Posted: 26 December 2010 at 9:35am
shocking!  You are right to be upset and appalled. This is BAD practice. I'm an early childhood teacher and NEVER would I do this or the centre I work in.
To start with YOu need parent permission, and a notice that clealry outlines where the children are going what time, what transports used, who is going meaning how many adults to children. Lenght of time e.t.c and all the risks involved. As this was a BIG trip going on a bus to central auckland! the parent would need to read through the hazard/ risk form and approve or dissaprove. Even if you signed a permissoion slip when your daugther started that would only be for local walks within a few kms of the centre NOT for bus trips and big trips. Ask to see the form and check. Action: I would as a paretn ring the minisrty of ed's office they are in mt eden and ask them. I would say hi just have a question recenlty at my daughters daycare a teacher took 6 or 7 children out for a trip on a bus to the mall? is this o/k? I was concerned. They are eay to talk to and will clear things up. -------------  
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Posted By: pikelets
Date Posted: 28 December 2010 at 7:26pm
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That's not on to me and I would be upset as I expect to know where my child is while I am at work.
I would definitely be looking in to that if I was you. I'm on the shore too. Do you mind PMing me so I know to be aware of that one? And who takes a group of young kids out on Christmas Eve - nuts! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: fire_engine
Date Posted: 29 December 2010 at 4:22pm
 They took them to the CBD without your explicit consent???? I'd be ropeable.
How does it work legally with kids being on buses but not in child restraints? I agree with your OP about them being too young to be travelling without restraints. ------------- Mum to two wee boys |
Posted By: mum2QTs
Date Posted: 31 December 2010 at 8:55pm
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Yep i would be mad as well, and sounds like a lot of kids to one teacher. I did sign a form for outings with my DD preschool, but they still get permission form for bus trips and it's usually 1 adult to 2 kids, and invite parents to join.......really doesn't sound right, i would ring and check as someone above suggested.
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Posted By: floss
Date Posted: 01 January 2011 at 3:43pm
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Where I work, we have parents sign a slip when they enroll that allows us to take the kids out on walks or to the park, but never in anyform of transport
When we have done big trips that involve a bus or car then seperate permission forms go out weeks before so we can arrange extra teachers/parents. ------------- My beautiful big girl Sienna 15.04.06 Double the trouble double the fun Noah & Lola 10/11/07 |
Posted By: amme_eilyk
Date Posted: 02 January 2011 at 9:52am
| public transport like buses and taxis are exempt from carseats/child restraints |