20 hours cancelled??
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Topic: 20 hours cancelled??
Posted By: xLUCKYx
Subject: 20 hours cancelled??
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 4:24pm
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Has anyone heard this? My friend is adament that from February any new enrolments won't get the 20 hours free childcare. I have tried to find some info and haven't heard anything about that so figuired it must just be their centre but she is adament it is all cancelled across the board? She says kids already recieving 20 hours will get it but not if they enroll or become eligable after Feb....
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Posted By: _SMS_
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 4:26pm
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Ive heard from several people it was canceled. But havent read it.
Luckily it doesnt affect me yet. My friend whose child attends kindy said there fees have gone up to $150 per term rather than $50 per term.  -------------  
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 4:53pm
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I have not heard anything yet but we are not back at kindy till the end of the week.
If that is the case Labour will use it as a way back into power as it was them that brought it in & National have never liked it as it does not benefit the business market as that is where there focus is. Typical always take from the kids & the everyday man. |
Posted By: peanut butter
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 5:06pm
| I've heard nothing from my daycare and would have! I know that as of today centres lose there extra funding for having full qualified staff. I thought that was the only thing. |
Posted By: Babykatnz
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 5:10pm
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Some centres individually may pull out of the scheme now that their funding has been cut, but the govt has not announced retracting the 20 'free' hours. You will have to check with the preschool your child is enrolled at to see how the funding cuts affect you... its estimated most families will be paying $25-30 more p/week from today onwards... glad I chose not to go back to work cos that would be really hitting us hard right now! ------------- Brandon - 05/12/2003  
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Posted By: JadeC
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 5:10pm
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That doesn't sound logical that those already enrolled would get to keep it, it would have to be there for everyone or for none.
ITA with Jazzy - how hard is it to realise that by the govt spending on kids education they will have a better, healthier, richer workforce in a few years!! Oh, and I'm already grumpy about all the little news ads on tv saying National is talking about increasing GST again!!!  ------------- http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 5:20pm
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What increase GST again?? I have not seen the adds but every time I see the PM standing outside his million $$ home I want to puke.
I know a few at kindy who will not be able to pay the extra if it is increased.... |
Posted By: _SMS_
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 5:26pm
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I saw that too Jade Up to 17.5% not sure if the info is correct i guess it will be on the news tonight.
Thats national for you though. No help of the poor-average income households 
I read somewhere this morning that childcare will be increasing, up to $80 per week. Ill go see if i can find the link now -------------
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Posted By: linda
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 5:43pm
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Not every centre is going to increase by $80 a week, I think that was the maximum. On the news it interviewed the Little School in Wellington and I think they are increasing by $50 per week but they are generally a more expensive option than a Kindy.
I think the money should be spent more on primary and secondary schools rather than preschools. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: maysie
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 5:50pm
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I think it's the funding cuts which were announced last year come into force this month which means there may be increases in preschool fees.
I would be disappointed if the 20 free hours were scrapped as that is the only thing we get from the govt and had thought it was nice to at least get something! But I'm pretty sure that is not in the pipeline right now. Also, I think the GST was recommended by a report, not a govt announcement! And with regards to John Keys house (sorry but I have to mention this) - all paid for by very hard work by someone brought up by a solo mum who wasn't wealthy. Not to mention that a significant percentage of his PM salary is donated to charity... ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 5:58pm
oh come on...having a laugh here not out to offend anyone & yes I have read some of his road to PM 
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Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 6:08pm
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of course I knew you were, that's why I added it! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Raspberryjam
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 6:11pm
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maybe John Key should remember where he came from then
The gst rise is just a suggestion at this stage ------------- http://lilypie.com] 
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 6:14pm
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Just saw on the news that they are not looking at putting up GST...not a good way to secure votes this electrial yr...
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Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 6:15pm
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Posted By: myfullhouse
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 6:24pm
That would be my guess as well, they probably don't get as much funding for kids on 20hrs free ------------- Lindsey 
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Posted By: kiwi2
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 6:48pm
| On the news last night that daycare centre said it wasn't all due to the funding cuts but also because they were below occupancy levels. So some daycares are using the funding cuts as a chance to bump their personal costs too. Shop around and find a daycare that suits. |
Posted By: Lulu
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 7:32pm
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It amuses me as to how politics always come into play with subjects like this and yet no one is willing to comment on the $400 million per week that the country has to borrow per week to support the bad judgements of the last government. And how much of it was kept under wraps. It seems to me that we are all like spoilt children who still want our pocket money even though our parents are going bankrupt. ------------- Lou http://www.babysfirstsite.com"> 
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Posted By: Shezamumof3
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 7:33pm
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Havent herd anything from our daycare! I will ask them on friday cos geez I couldnt affor to pay more than we already do. ------------- |
Posted By: Kimnthekids
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 8:06pm
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Most centers will put their prices up, as theyre losing some funding, however - we've all known for months, so many are putting their prices up a small amount (across the board) so that it doesnt "hurt" families too bad.
Each center chooses how they do it. The most affected are those that are keeping 80% or more of their teachers qualified. ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: tishy
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 8:16pm
| Our daycare has gone up $11 per day. We still get the '20 free hours' though which for us starts the same time so thankfully not noticing the increase. |
Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 8:54pm
Not matter what party is in they all make calls we don't like. Labour brought in the 20 free hrs for 3+yrs & National have said they want to abolish it. That 20hr free can make the difference of some people working & not being stuck on a benefit or a SAHM get back out there (if they want) can help with $ off childcare...the money goes back into funds as more taxes are paid & people can pay their bills on time & save with retirement plans & buy more things...& so on In the end it is the children that miss out if parents can not afford to put their kids in. I don't think the majority are acting spoilt, we got a tax cut which is being spent on the increased GST, I see no savings for a family of 5 & we are no better off, we are not in the higher tax bracket that got the most back...so I guess if that was done at a lower rate like everyone else then there would be more money for education, healthcare & the $400m weekly debt...just a thought. I think more should be spent on pre school care & all children should be able to access it & that 20hrs free helps heaps of parents. |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 9:51pm
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With me working we get no WFF and no childcare subsidy which is fair enough, but if not for the 20 free(ish, as I pay the donation on top) hours then it really would not be worth my while working as it's hard enough paying full price for one child let alone two and I am on far above the average wage as is my DH, so to me it just makes no sense. They either want people at work earning money and paying tax or they don't, and if they want people like me who get no other government handouts to work then we need some sort of help to do that. It's pretty much impossible on even a higher wage to pay a mortgage, pay tax, rates, petrol, food etc and make ends meet as we don't get the help that lower income earners get (and we don't have a flash house or drive flash cars, quite the opposite actually). This government keeps trying to take take take from higher earners with young families and something is gonna snap cos it has to. At this rate I will be forced to not return to work until the youngest is at school and then I will be so far behind as the industry I'm in moves fast that it will probably be near impossible to get back in.
It's just silly, what's also silly is that no one complains about paying for other people's children to go to school but they get the hump about ECE, that attitude needs to change. In actual fact New Zealands attitude to children in general needs to change, but that's a whole different thread. ------------- 
 
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Posted By: Bobchannz
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 9:59pm
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Nicely said cuppatea!
Our non-profit, very financially strained creche has been forced to raise its fees. They tried everything to minimise the need to to do this, and have compromised by doing both a fee raise, and replacing those qualified teachers who leave with unqualifed trainees ------------- www.makedomum.blogspot.co.nz |
Posted By: Ella1
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 10:52pm
So you would prefer that your vulnarable baby or toddler is looked after by unqualified teachers??
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Posted By: Raspberryjam
Date Posted: 02 February 2011 at 8:52am
totally agree with you, Its not worth me going to work at the moment, I might have $100 a week left after childcare for 2 and gas - but can possibly look at it once my babe is 3! We have only just begun to get the subsidys you mentioned cuppatea, since we had out second child, and as well as I try to budget on a salary thats paid monthly - sometimes we couldnt have done with out it. however.... yes we are tending towards the higher income bracket - not because my husband fiddles the system, or claims back anything - he works for a salary - we dont own property or anything - he works really hard - and I have gotta say, its kinda annoying when people say oh but you guys make lots ra ra ra - what about us who dont - well Im sorry but how is that our fault - we pay sh*te loads of tax - to support you - what else do you expect us to do - I bet with all the extras you are entitled to, you arent that much worse off than us! hmm kinda ranting but if they take ece away I will be at home for a long time yet!! ------------- http://lilypie.com]
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 02 February 2011 at 9:22am
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it is actually just called 20 Hours ECE...
here is a link that explains a bit about it: http://www.lead.ece.govt.nz/ManagementInformation/Funding/20HoursECE/20HoursECEInfoAndGuidance.aspx - link this bit might explain the changes coming into effect this feb. from February 2011 - teacher-led early childhood services can also ask parents for 'Optional Charges' within their 20 Hours ECE entitlement for the service having more than 80% registered teachers. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: lilfatty
Date Posted: 02 February 2011 at 11:44am
The 20 hours only relates to those over the age of 3 ... they are not really babies at that age .. they are more like 3 going on 30  ------------- Mummy to Issy (3) and Elias (18 months) I did it .. 41 kgs gone! From flab to fab in under a year  http://www.femininefitness.co.nz/category/blog - LFs weight blog
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Posted By: millymollymandy
Date Posted: 02 February 2011 at 2:49pm
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I hope they keep the 20 ECE - I definitely plan to use it, as it would certaintly make going back to work worthwhile.
Sometimes I wonder where we are going as a nation. It seems harder and harder for the average person to get by. I don't begrudge anyone who has worked hard getting well paid, but I do wonder, why the gap between rich and poor has got so much wider, and it is very tricky to own your own home on one income. |
Posted By: linda
Date Posted: 02 February 2011 at 9:29pm
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I think childcare centres can run well with 80% fully qualified teachers. There are a great number of people wanting to work in this area but don't have the qualifications or who previously had but had to find other work with the changes. I do think the centres should be managed by a qualified teacher but that should be sufficient in a well run daycare/creche/kindy.
I would be fine leaving my child with someone who is unqualified as long as I thought they were right for my children. We currently have a student nanny who is very unqualified but working towards one. I like that the 20 hours have opened up childcare options to more children but I just don't think that all the teachers need to be qualified ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: kiwi2
Date Posted: 02 February 2011 at 10:11pm
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Well said cuppatea.
We don't qualify for subsidies. I am putting two kids in after school care and before school care and it is costing us over $170 per week. My DH lives in akl due to that being the only place for him to get a job and I live in hamilton whilst going to uni. It is only for 1 year so this is a short term situation. So I am a single mum in regards to raising the kids 5 days a week. My DH lives in another city earning 1/2 the money he used to. Although we are on what is considered a high wage we have two lots of housing to cover with DH's up there and me down here as well as petrol etc. Today sky was returned to the shop and our internet has been reduced to the basic package. I have started all sorts of ways to reduce our costs that are extremely high due to having a good wage for so long and getting used to some perks. In many ways when we were starting out it was easier as I qualified for lots of subsidies and we didn't have the committments we have now. |
Posted By: xLUCKYx
Date Posted: 03 February 2011 at 1:18pm
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Well it sounds like it is not being cancelled, yet!
My daughters centre has only gone up $10 a week which I am happy with. My son goes to in home childcare and their prices haven't changed. We don't receive any subsidies and it is the 20 hours ECE that enable me to send my daughter to daycare. |
Posted By: jazzy
Date Posted: 03 February 2011 at 1:25pm
Went to kindy today & have not heard anything. Not been told of any increase yet. Lucky we only have a few more months to go . I guess the thing about kindy is the charges are small.
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Posted By: My3Sons
Date Posted: 03 February 2011 at 2:56pm
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our preschool has lost a load of money from the funding cuts, it is ridiculous! ------------- Mum to Mr 10, Mr 6 and Mr 4 
 
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