still not talking alot
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Topic: still not talking alot
Posted By: cole88
Subject: still not talking alot
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 7:33pm
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my daughter is 19 months old on Thursday, she says 15 words max and she is so incredibly frustrated coz its up ther but she cant get it out and she says ehh ehh ehh all day long, driving us to breaking point and im sure its really hard for her as well so, im thinking about speech therapy but where do you go to get things rolling? the doctor? ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 7:41pm
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You can self refer to the ministry of education - special education. Just ring them and they will let you know how long the wait is. The alternative is phoning a private therapist, and special education can usually provide you with a list of the local therapists if the wait is too long. ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:15pm
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i was talking to my DH about this the other day as our son is 17months and prob only has about 5 words and none are that clear. he too does the eeehhhhh eeehhhhh and glah glah glah for everything even though i have done baby sign since he was 3months old and spent lots of time trying to get him to say the word etc......he never got into signing and I still try and get him to sign now while teaching him the words so we have some form of communication and hes not frustrated as much as stubborn and CBA trying!!
I will perserve for a bit longer but I will probably look at speech therapy if it doesnt change soon |
Posted By: Richie
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 10:35pm
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So when should they start talking by? I have no idea. My DD has just gone 14months and says Mum and Dad and that's about it. She does attempt words but nothing is clear at all. She used to babble a lot but now doesn't really. She just does a series of grunts with her mouth closed. My Mum says she should be talking by now but I wasn't sure.
Sorry to thread jack, but thought this was a good place to ask -------------  
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 10:46pm
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My first child didnt speak much at all. he didnt even call me mum till after he was 2. I wouldnt worry about it too much yet.
if you look in your well child book it only really expects them to say a couple of clear words by their 15 month check up. If you talk to Plunket or whoever you use they should be able to reassure you. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 10:51pm
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I was having a debate with DH about this, hes not worried but my closing arguement in our debate was, it doesnt hurt to get it checked and make sure there is nothing physical that may be preventing him that will kick ourselves for not checking sooner.......more than likely not but I dont mind checking just in case its something we couldve helped earlier.....
I came across this site......not sure how accurate it is, but its a guide which puts my mind at ease a bit http://www.childcareonline.co.nz/How-Babies-Learn-to-Talk-%280-2-years%29.html - baby talking ages |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 10:55pm
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I just had to add that I was a bit miffed about the couple of examples used for a 21month old
* point to a picture or sign, such as when asked "Where's McDonalds? * follow directions such as "drink your juice " or "sit down, please" hmmmmm thinking that McDonalds and Juice arent really good references when we are trying to encourage healthier eating in our young ones!!! LOL........just an observation 
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Posted By: HoneybunsMa
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 1:16am
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DD has only about 7 proper words and she's 22mths, well actually two of them are proper sentences. I'm not overly concerned she communicates really well with us in other ways, gotta love the no no no when we're doing something she doesn't want. And I know she understands alot as you say its time to change her nappy and she runs to her room climbs on the spare bed and lies there waiting to get changed. She also knows alot of body parts etc so like I said not concerned. The words are going to start spilling out of her soon I can feel it. ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker"> 
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Posted By: EmDee
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 6:06am
I was worried about DS1 and his lack of speech. At 20mths I took him to our GP. He said he was well within the realm of 'normal' but that I could get his hearing checked for free at a clinic. I took him along and his hearing was fine and the woman doing the test was puzzled as to why I was worried, she said his hearing was fine and like the GP he was 'normal' and to give him a little time. Sure enough about a month later he went through a vocab 'growth-spurt' and we've barely been able to shut him up since 
So I guess I'm saying, if you are really worried, go and see your GP or Plunket and talk to them about it. But as she is still fairly young, I'd keep an eye on it but give her a little time. All the best! ------------- DS 8 DD 6 DS 4 DD 2 |
Posted By: MonicaMouse
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 6:19am
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My eldest was in a similar position with his speech, and like Mummydee it skyrocketed and we started getting more words. Later at nearly 3 I was concerned that it really wasnt where it was suppose to be - got him assessed by speech therapist - referal from plunket nurse, they assessed him said there were some delays, would put us on the wait list for sessions. That was 6 months ago, we havent had any sessions yet, but he's had another huge leap.
My youngest thou, is a completely different story. At 21 months he has only just started to say Mum, but there could be other things going on too. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hopes
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 7:43am
Hahaha, yea, good point. I know I was more relaxed about food than a lot of ladies on here when we had that food thread, but I do think they could have found better examples!! -------------   
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Chickielou wrote:Posted By: HuMum
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 9:54am
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All kids are different, I know lots of kids who are 2 1/2 nearly 3 who only have a handful of words, and few like my son who never stops talking (not 2 yet). Genetics can play a part, DH and I were both very early talkers, my sister wasn't tho and her boy is much slower at talking, but was an early walker...
Personally enjoy the quiet while you can.....once they start they never stop!!! 
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 10:54am
Yip all kids are different, and everytime someone asks about speech and language development lots of people have stories about someone they know who was a late talker and was fine... But as an early intervention speech and language therapist I can tell you this is not always the case. Yes, more often they do come right on their own but sometimes there is an underlying cause for the difficulties and without assessment by a SLT it is impossible to tell which catergory these children fall into. My advice is always if you feel your child is falling behind what is considered typical development for speech and language (see below) then it is best to get an assessment done. It costs nothing but time and if there are real concerns then early intervention is much more effective. It is unnecessary to see the GP or plunket nurse regarding speech or language problems as they are not fully trained in this area, so if people have concerns they can refer directly for an assessment. here's a rough idea of the norms... around 12 months first words start to appear. They understand names of familiar objects/people and some simple instructions. around 18- 24 months they reach 50-60 word vocab and start combining words to make two word phrases. They are able to follow simple instructions and understand simple questions (i.e. give me teddy, where is the cat?, push the car). Their speech is 25% intelligible to strangers. 24-36 months - phrases of 2-4 words. Vocab of 150-300 words. They understand 2 step instructions (e.g. get your bag and put it in your room). Their understanding of concepts is improving (e.g. on/under, hot/cold, heavy, big/small, high/low, stop/go, slow/fast etc). Their speech is 50-75% intelligible to strangers. 36-48 months - length of phrases increase - 4+ words, They show understanding of questions, who, where, what etc...Their speech is 90% intelligible to strangers. 48 -60 months- complex intelligible sentences... These are the averages based on normative data but the range is huge and up to six months either way is considered within the normal range. Therefore a child who is 2 could still be using single words or more complex phrases and still considered within the normal range. With regards to dysfluent speech (I'm unsure whether the OP was concerned about a possible stutter or not?)- younger children will often go through a period of dysfluent speech, and this only becomes a concern if it lasts longer 6 months, or there is a family history of stuttering, or they are blocking and prolonging sounds as well a repeating... ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: Caronz
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 1:45pm
Wow, 50-60 words by DS age, I wasnt worried before, but maybe I should be  ------------- TTC since 06 with MFI IVF with ICSI 2007 BFN DI Sept 08=BFP DS 06/09 TTC #2 since June 2010 DI#2 Aug10=BFP MC@10weeks 2011= 10 rounds of DI 4 with clomid- all neg May 2012- IVF |
Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 1:51pm
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That's the norms Caronz - 6 months either side is considered within normal range.
ETA- words at that age are often difficult to understand. They can be counted as a word if the have intent behind them, regardless of how they are pronounced. Parents often find when they actually start writing down their children's vocab they have a lot more than they thought. Also somewhere between 18 to 24 months it is common for children to have a sudden spurt of language acquisition, so they may only have a few words then all of a sudden a lot more appear. ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: lisa85
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 2:11pm
Same here! Both my girls didn't start saying more than a handful of words until they were 2 & a half. But once the floodgate opened there was no stopping them! They are about to turn three and as far as I can tell are well caught up with every other 3 year old I know. I was quite worried for a while but my niece Hannah was a late talker as well and she eventually came into her own so I never worried too much about the girls. -------------  
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Posted By: kellie
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 4:46pm
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I doubt DS had 15 words by 19months. He is now 28 months though and talks heaps. ------------- 
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Posted By: mamanee
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 5:13pm
| My oldest child talked extremely well from a young age and had heaps of words but my 17 month old only has a handful of words so far. I am loving it! I know he understands me which is good but it's very peaceful and quiet when the older one is at kindy. |
Posted By: LouD
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 7:48pm
Yeah it wont be long and I will regret ever saying anything!!!! |
Posted By: HoneybunsMa
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 9:28pm
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So should I be worried about my 22mth old who only has 7or so words and 2 sentences? I know she understands she can get things when asked and cleans up after herself she just doesn't have proper words she babbles alot however ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 9:55pm
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Honeybunsma - I wouldn't be worried as such, as you can see from what others have said often children catch up on their own, and quickly. It's more just being aware, monitoring her progress and if you feel in 4
months or so she still hasn't progressed much I would consider getting an assessment done, just incase Most children will catch up on their on if there is no causal factors associated with the delay, which an SLT can assess.
Also it's good to be very aware of your own language with her, i.e. making sure you're keeping it really simple, constantly talking about what you're doing or what she's doing and repeat repeat repeat... What are her two phrases? ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: bex88
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 1:21pm
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This is an interesting topic.... DD is 16months and doesn't really say anything. Well she will say 'mama' and 'dada' but only when prompted, and she doesn't relate it to us. The only thing she does say is 'quack' when she sees a duck. She doesn't really babble much at all either.
She understands a lot though like 'it's time to brush your teeth' she will go to the bathroom and stand by the basin and point at her toothbrush. So I guess my real concern is because I know she understands a lot but is not saying much at all, could this be a problem, or do I just need to be patient??? -------------  
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Posted By: HoneybunsMa
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 1:46pm
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Freckle - her 2phrases are where is she? which is clear as day it can mean where is she is where is that sort of thing depending on the context. The other is waz at? Which I get everymorning and could probably stand in her bedroom with her for an hr looking at the same 2photos of her and her cousin and being asked.
She all of a sudden today came out with poo when I asked her if she was pooing lol. She was an early walker full time by 10mths and early at everything else so am wondering if she is slightly behind in the speech because she did everything else so quickly? ------------- http://www.myfitnesspal.com/weight-loss-ticker">
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 2:33pm
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Bex88 - At 16 months I wouldn't be too concerned if a child doesn't have many words, with good comprehension. When you say she doesn't babble, has she never babbled? Has she had a history of ear infections? That's great that she is understanding instructions. Children can still have purely expressive difficulties with no comprehension difficulties so I would just be monitoring her progress, talking lots to her, and encouraging her to play with sounds - like babbling... were you concerned about her?
Honeybunsma - some children do seem to focus on one area of development at a time - like you are saying. I'd keep a list of her vocab cos it is so easy to forget words. Also remember they don't necessarily sound clear, they just have to have intent ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 2:34pm
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double post ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 2:34pm
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triple post ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: bex88
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 3:54pm
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Thanks Freckle.... was more curious.... but a little concerned as she has never really babbled a lot. She did have a few problems at about 10months with fluid on her ears etc. but last time I got them checked they had all cleared up. I sort of figured though that as she can understand and comprehend so well that she must be able to hear me ok.And admitedly she communicates her needs well without speaking. So definately as you say an expressive issue, is this something I just need to monitor for now or does it need looking into further. -------------
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Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 7:18pm
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Bex - I think if she is babbling a bit and has a few words, I wouldn't be concerned at this point, I'd just be monitoring her progress. If she's not babbling at all I would probably refer her for an assessment, and maybe consider a hearing assessment as well. Sorry it is hard to give advice without meeting her... but from what you have said I wouldn't be worrying at this stage ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: bex88
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 8:53pm
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Thanks Freckle!!! Nice to get an idea. I had thought I would leave it for a couple of months and see how she goes... and if we see not improvement will look into getting her checked out. -------------
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Posted By: kandk
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 9:57pm
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My DS is 27 months and says nothing at all! Not even Mum, Dad or no! Iasked Plunket at his 2 year checkup, and they said to give him 3 months to check on progress. I see them next week, and the plan is to refer him to SLT to check things out. I'm sure his hearig and comprehension are fine, but it is puzzling. Oh, and I am an English teacher - how ironic is that ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: kiwigal
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 10:34pm
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A developmental paediatrician can also help we did this when our son was 22 months as he wasn't saying anything if did say something he will soon lose it . It turned out that he was autistic. Our DD before she was 2 was saying about 15-20 words then at 2 years and 7 months her she is coming out with more words and stringing words together. Most of the language explosion begins around 2 or though some a lot quicker than others. |
Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 11:07am
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k&k - I think you are doing the right thing having him referred for an assessment. It may be that he is just a late talker but even so the SLT may be able to provide you with individualised suggestions to facilitate his language development.
kiwigal - yip SLT and paediatricians often refer to one another regarding specific concerns. A paed does not provide comprehensive assessment or intervention for speech and language difficulties, however, they maybe helpful in the assessment process if an underlying etiology is suspected (such as ASD like you have mentioned). ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: Topkat
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 4:12pm
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My son is two and a half and he has only really started talking lot's since he started pre school but before then it was only really 15 words max and never more than two put togeather. But yeah now he has it moving he is cranking! And never stops they are all different and boys I think are a little slow off the mark
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