Coffee Catchup 27th May with Dorothy Waide
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Topic: Coffee Catchup 27th May with Dorothy Waide
Posted By: skiltz
Subject: Coffee Catchup 27th May with Dorothy Waide
Date Posted: 27 May 2013 at 8:45am
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OHbaby! Coffee Catchup - Christchurch 27th May. Feel free to ask questions and Dorothy will reply when she can. Thanks! |
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Posted By: Leanne Sanders
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 10:31am
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Hi Dorothy, can you please give me a brief outline of what my 8 month old's daily routine should be. Thanks ever so much, Leanne, ------------- Leanne |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 12:59pm
| Hi Leanne are you breastfeeding |
Posted By: Leanne Sanders
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 2:18pm
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Hi Dorothy, yes I am fully breastfeeding. Was trying to give him a bottle of formular in the evening, but it is not going very well at all.He started solids at 6 months. Thanks, Leanne. ------------- Leanne |
Posted By: Guest_73446
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 5:05pm
| Hi Dorothy. You advised yesterday that I should be stopping the night wake breast "comfort" feeds for my six month old. Currently she wakes a couple of times a night (example last night we bathed her at 6pm and she was asleep at 6:45pm, woke at 11:45pm and 4am then was awake at 6;30am). If I am not to feed her back to sleep which she is use to(and I have not been doing your cupping re-settling technique up to this point) what should I do instead as she hasn't learnt to resettle herself. Do I/do I not go into the room, do I/do I not pick her up? etc. Also I know we can only ask one question but I have a Health and Safety concern about a recommendation you made. I went out a brought Millet (it wasn't a 'baby' specific variety as I could not find one, I assume that's ok) but it states on the label that it is made on the same production line as tree nuts (brand is Ceres Organics). Is this still OK to use.. what if she has a nut allergy we don't know about? Many thanks |
Posted By: Guest_48363
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 7:43pm
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Hi Dorothy, can you please advise on settling technique for our 51/2 month old boy. He can settle himself as he does so during the day for his daytime sleeps. When it comes to bedtime at night though he is a completely different child. We have a bath, some dinner (farex baby rice), a wee play / story, feed, burp etc then into bed. As soon as he in his cot though he just screams, and screams, we have tried the dummy, but he just spits it out or screams with it in. We have been waiting 10 minutes then going in to settle him, but he does not respond to settling in the cot. When we pick him up to settle him, then put him back once he is happy, he just starts all over again, usually resulting in me rocking him to sleep after a couple of hours as It is heartbreaking to hear him so upset. He does not like being "engulfed" as you talked about yesterday, he just arches his back and fights me all the way to the bank! Your advice for a more pleasant nighttime experience for him would be greatly appreciated. |
Posted By: etakamme
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 9:58pm
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Hi Dorothy Thanks for the informative session yesterday. I was in the afternoon session where you commented that you thought many of the babies in the room were overdressed. I'm wondering how I can check if my baby is too hot ... to date I have been feeling the back of her neck to check if it feels hot or too cold (as advised in the antenatal classes I went to) but I've never thought that it feels overly hot or cold so have never removed or added a layer. I'm wondering if there is a better way to check? In particular I am concerned about her temperature at night as she seems to need a lot on to be happy. At night she is dressed in several layers for sleeping (2x cotton and 1x merino) swaddled in a merino wrap, and also under about 4-5 blankets (this is since sleeping in her cot, while in her moses basket she was able to sleep through with 2 blankets). WIth this she tends to sleep through the night, but a few times I have removed a layer and she has always woken up during the night on these times - I'm not sure if she has woken because she is cold or if it is possibly something else though?! Thanks Emma |
Posted By: thejoeygirl
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 10:59pm
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Hi Dorothy, Thank you for your time yesterday. It was a really interesting discussion and I learnt a lot. I attended the afternoon session and I asked a question about getting my 8 month old son to sleep through the night. He currently wakes 1-3 times. I would be fine with waking once, but the other times are hard! Knox is breastfeeding still, he is on 3 meals a day and has some formula too. His bed time is usually 8-8.30pm so that he gets some time with his dad after work. Our day usually starts about 8, give or take half an hour. He self settles sometimes but when I get up to him it's because he's really crying and I have a no crying policy (grizzling ok, crying not). He is a really happy contented and healthy baby, he only cries if there is actually something that needs fixing for him. Do you have any suggestions of things I could try to get him to sleep longer at night? Thanks Jo  
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Posted By: Speedfreak
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 8:44am
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Hi Dorothy, Thank you for the session, i learned so much. I am wanting to get my partner more involved with feeding my 4 month old daughter. She is fully breastfeeding, so i have been trying to express off a bottle so he can give it to her, but she refuses to take it. You mentioned a cup that you would recommend but i have forgotten which one it was. Also i think that she is starting to feel her teeth move around, what would you recommend as a soother for this. Thanks Jaci  
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Posted By: Swizzler
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 10:55am
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Hi Dorothy, Thanks for such an informative session. My query is about feeding amounts and progressing through weaning. I have a 6 month old baby who is now 9.5kgs and we started him on one meal (evening meal) of baby rice at 4.5 months. Since starting him on solids, i have changed his evening meal to include veggies but havent really increased the overall quantity. I'm not sure how much i should be feeding him either, please could you advise me what his feeding amounts should be and how best i progress through the weaning process with him. I start back at work part time in a few weeks so I have also been moving him into more formula feeds so that I only need to express twice during my work day. Our feeding/ sleeping routine (give or take half an hour) is: 8am breastfeed 9.30 nap 10.30 breastfeed 12 nap 1pm formula 1.30 nap 3.30 breastfeed 4pm nap 6pm formula followed by baby rice with some pumpkin or other purée veg mixed in. Approx 1/2 tbsp rice to 1 tbsp purée 7pm bath time 7.20pm Breastfeed to top up before bed if needed. 7.30 bedtime. Since attending your session, I have added breakfast of 1 tbsp baby rice. I have also managed to extend his awake time out to two hours and he falls asleep within 5 minutes instead of the 45 minutes it used to take him. Unfortunately this hasn't extended his nap times at all as he seems to be a regular 45 minute Napper with the odd 1.5 hour sleep thrown in randomly. Looking forward to hearing from you with how his feeding routine should be working. Many thanks, Alex |
Posted By: louise117816
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 1:37pm
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Hi thanks for the informative session on monday. You talked briefly about solids, can you please give an overview including: How long on baby rice What age is introduction of new foods What order of foods When do you introduce dairy/gluten Thanks Louise |
Posted By: Pip101182
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 2:14pm
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Thanks Dorothy for a great session, I am writing this with my wee man (just over 4 months) sleeping in his cot already rather than being fed to sleep on me during the day! My question is when do we enter the room to help them resettle? I know we should initially leave them to try and learn to resettle themselves but if they don’t, do we wait until they are fully awake and crying to resettle them, or while they’re still just a bit drowsy and whingy? Our son Ryan can take a good 15 minutes or more of whinging before he fully wakes so it seems a good opportunity to help him back off to sleep during this period. He was tongue tied so always fed to sleep, I’ve broken that habit during the day but during the night he still does this, should we be (gently) keeping him awake/waking him to put him back into his cot during the night? Many thanks Pip |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 2:21pm
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Hi Leanne A general guideline for an 8 month is as follows awake time approx 3 to 3 1/2 hours if not slightly longer nap times approx 1 1/2 hours plus so a general routine would look like this (you will need to adjust the start and finish hours to suit your family) Wakes 6.30am 7.00am Breakfast cereal and fruit, finger food, Offer sips of milk in sippy cup followed by breast 9.45am Morning tea - full breast feed 10.00 am Nap - minimum 1 1/2 hours (can be a moving nap as well) 12.00am Lunch - Quick and easy food - if puree or mash offer finger food the same as what is in the mash Optional offer sips of water in Sippy cup or milk 2.45pm Afternoon tea - offer full breast feed 3.00pm Nap 5.00pm Dinner - Vegetables and protein again finger food same as what is in his puree or mash Offer milk in Sippy cup Offer breast once he leaves the high chair Evening routine - bath, breast feed, clean teeth, sleeping bag and in bed for the night Ideally by 7.00 (the evening awake time is slightly less as they tend to be tired at the end of the day. |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 2:31pm
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Hi regarding the Millet you can purchase from Huckleberry Farms - the brand is Holle Organic. I have not used the brand that you are asking me about. If you don't have a Huckleberry Farms in CHCH you can purchase over the internet. What i recommend re night waking is to ensure if you are feeding that it is for hunger and not for comfort. So the first step would be to look at her daytime routine and then work from there. If she is catnapping then the first thing would be is to teach her to resettle during the day so that she learns how to do it at night time. Yes you do need to respond to her but allow her some time to find her own sleep. THis isnt about leaving her to scream in the other room but to see if she is actually awake or falls back to sleep without you intervening. A lot of times we have picked the baby up and are feeding before we are actually awake or the baby is awake. I would suggest using the cupping and see if that helps - you can do this when resettling in the day if she is not having long naps. And yes how you resettle is up to you - you can just hold her back to sleep or sit with her until she goes back to sleep. |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 2:33pm
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Hi a couple of questions before I answer your question. HOw long has be been up in the afternoons before putting him to bed for the night. Secondly does he have silent reflux - I am wondering whether the farex is up setting his tummy. |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 2:38pm
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Hi without knowing your room temperature I would suggest that you remove some of the blankets straight away. THen, my next question would be is what is the temperature of the room and then I can advise what the baby ideally should be reading. |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 2:39pm
| Hi can you please let me know whether Knox has food before milk and also how long is he awake for and how long are his naps during the day and then I can answer your question for you. |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 2:44pm
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Hi the cup I have the most success with is the NUK first feeder and the bottle I have most success with is the Evenflo bottle. Teething products i use are Kava drops and teething drops from Quintessence and also another alternative product is vibrucrol. Sophie the giraffe is a great teething toy but there are lots out on the market place. |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 2:50pm
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Hi here are my notes on solids and introducing vegetables and also two other charts that will guide you through. The difference in the charts is whether you start the morning with milk or the morning with food. I have also included the chart for how to introduce meals into the day uploads/45521/Introducing_Solids-_April_2013.pdf" rel="nofollow - Introducing_Solids-_April_2013.pdf uploads/45521/Dorothys_Vegetables.pdf" rel="nofollow - Dorothys_Vegetables.pdf uploads/45521/Option_One_Three_Meals_a_Day_5-8mths.pdf" rel="nofollow - Option_One_Three_Meals_a_Day_5-8mths.pdf uploads/45521/Option_Two_Three_Meals_a_Day_5-8mths-6.pdf" rel="nofollow - Option_Two_Three_Meals_a_Day_5-8mths-6.pdf |
Posted By: Guest_73446
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 3:50pm
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Thanks Dorothy. I tried the cupping technique and it worked, yay! Might need to work on my arm muscles though lol. Re the Millet, there is no Huckleberry Farm in Christchurch and they charge an extortionate $17 for delivery here.. making it $36 for 250grms so way out of my price range. Many thanks for Monday and all your valuable advice. Kathryn. |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 5:50pm
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HI Kathryn Happy to post some down to you. There is a store in DUnedin that may sell it so check that one out. Well done with the cupping and yes it does build muscles. I wonder whether its just the packaging people being careful - I would ask around on the forums or friends and see what they say. Here is the list the Dunedin store is at the bottom uploads/45521/Specialty_stores-2.docx" rel="nofollow - Specialty_stores-2.docx |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 6:02pm
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HI Alex Apologies I only answered half your question. The amounts you feed him actually depend on the baby. I would suggest offering two tablespoons of cereal for breakfast and dinner meals and for lunch probably 3 tablespoons for lunch. If he eats all of the above then you can increase it as he needs it. It is very difficult to actually give amounts, I work on the basis that if he eats all and is looking for more then I give it to him. When offering the vegetables at lunchtime, I would suggest offering him finger food of the same foods that are in his purees i.e., if you made up pumpkin, potato, cauliflower and leeks - I would have sticks of pumpkin, potato and cauliflower all cooked on his highchair tray - this teaches him texture, taste and smell and also when you then progress to whole foods he knows the difference in all the tastes of food. I wouldnt tend to do leeks as they are stringy however later on I would. With regard to being the typical '45' minute napper, I would suggest that you try and resettle him. If he doesnt learn to resettle during the day its difficult to expect them to resettle overnight. Dorothy uploads/45521/1_progressing_3_meals_a_day-1_copy.pdf" rel="nofollow - 1_progressing_3_meals_a_day-1_copy.pdf |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 6:14pm
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Hi Louise How long you keep a baby on baby rice does depend on you and your eating habits and how they progress through solids. For breakfast baby rice can be replaced with oatmeal, millet, quinoa and later on healthy cereals - I tend to purchase from stores like Huckleberry Farms and you can get cereals such as Oatys, PUffed Wheat, healthy rice bubbles etc. The progress through the cereal does depend on how quickly your baby learns to deal with lumps. Once I have two meals breakfast and dinner established then I introduce vegetables at lunchtime. How quick you go does depend again on the baby and also whether you have allergies or food intolerances in your family. I tend to in the beginning do the three day period, however once I get into vegetables I tend to move through a bit quicker. Lentils, pulses, meat and fish are again dependant on when you choose to do. When introducing foods that are known allergy foods such as egg I introduce this in cooked form i.e., cake - if there is no reaction then I will add grated egg yolk to vegetables just a little like 1/2 teaspoon to say 5 tablespoons of vegetables and then if no reaction then I increase the yolk quantity. Eventually I will offer the white but I am quite cautious and normally wouldn't do this until around the age of 1 plus. Dairy I actually don't see the sense of filling our babies up on yogurt and cheese and use these foods sparingly. My goal in the first 12 months in particular is vegetables, vegetables. Again it is a personal choice. Gluten - I tend to introduce spelt bread as their first bread and then continue onto others from there. Other forms of gluten again are an individual choice and you would introduce when you are comfortable and again depends on whether you have intolerances in your family. I tend to use wholemeal products such as pasta, bread as I am not a fan of processed white products. In one of the earlier replies i have posted all the notes i give to clients on solids and introducing vegetables so hope that helps as well. Dorothy |
Posted By: Pip101182
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 6:18pm
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To Kathryn Just FYI you can get Holle products at Liberty Market ChCh, corner of Moorhouse and Fitzgerald... its an organic supermarket with a baby aisle. Not sure if they do the Holle baby millet cereal but have seen Holle milk formula there previously so hopefully! They have other baby cereal options there too that my sister has purchased in the past. Cheers, Pip |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 6:44pm
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Hi Pip Thanks for the information on the store in CHCH - will add that to my list. Okay to resettle - its hard to do this, but worth the effort. Here are my notes on resettling for an over 12 week baby. I would suggest that at night you wait before intervening and see if he resettles on his own. Resettling is not about leaving them to cry it out, but about allowing them their right and ability as an individual to re find their sleep and you intervene if they can't do this. uploads/45521/ohbaby.docx" rel="nofollow - ohbaby.docx |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 6:49pm
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Hi Leeanne Teething remedies kava drops and teething drops from QUintessence Viburcol www.netpharmacy.co.nz/viburcol-drops-15x1ml Pamol - I use during the day if none of the above help nurofen - I use overnight as it works on both the inflammation and pain and also lasts longer. Cereals - Millet, Quinoa, Oatmeal, Wholemeal Baby Rice Soap - Tummy Mummy www.tummymummynz.co.nz Dorothy |
Posted By: Guest_73446
Date Posted: 30 May 2013 at 8:35am
| Thanks Pip. I actually went to Liberty Market on Tuesday and they didn't have the Holle Millet but I purchased the Ceres Organic Millet there. They did however stock whole grain baby rice cereal (brand was Earth's Best Organics) which I wasn't able to find at the supermarket. I also tried Piko Piko Wholefoods yesterday and they didn't stock Holle either although the lady there did advise that the Ceres brand is OK for 6 months +. |
Posted By: etakamme
Date Posted: 31 May 2013 at 9:34am
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Hi Dorothy I measured the temperature in the room last night at 18.7 degrees, which had dropped to 16.5 degrees by this morning. I don't have any heating on in our room (we are sharing still) specifically, but it gets warmed up by the other heating going in the house - we turn this off when we go to bed which is why the room temperature dropped by morning. Thanks Emma |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 01 June 2013 at 7:48pm
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Hi as Knox is 8 months old it is important he has food before milk so when he wakes he is ideally having his solids, then milk. A rough guideline is as follows. You also mention is awake time is approx 2 to 2 1/2 hours (both these points were covered in an email from you). At 8 months ideally he is up for around 3hours plus soI would suggest that you start stretching this. 8.00 Wakes 8.30am breakfast followed by milk feed 11.am Morning tea - full breast feed 11.15am Nap 1.15pm Lunch - Vegetables offer water with meal 345pm Afternoon tea - offer full milk feed 4.00pm Nap 6.0pm Dinner Vegetables followed by milk feed Evening routine Bath, top up, clean teeth, sleeping bag 8.30pm Bed for the night I would suggest with the night waking to allow him time to resettle - if he is just grizzling just leave him alone - it will take approx 20 minutes for him to resettle. ALso if you do go into him just sit with him and cup him back to sleep - see if this will work. Dorothy |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 01 June 2013 at 7:51pm
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HI Emma Here are my notes on how to dress a baby for night time. Dorothy uploads/45521/Right_Sleeping_Bag_Ohbaby.docx" rel="nofollow - Right_Sleeping_Bag_Ohbaby.docx |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 01 June 2013 at 8:21pm
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Hi Thanks for emailing the additional information I asked for. I would say that the meltdown at bedtime is that he is over tired. You mentioned his awake times are the first one just for 1 1/2 to 2 hours then the ext is 2 hours and the last one 3 to 4 hours. I would suggest that you try and balance out his awake times more evenly and have his last awake time at the end of the day no longer than the other two. The reason why I asked about the silent reflux was due to the fact that the crying only happened at this time of the night and i was just going through all the reasons why it could be happening. I would also suggest that he has his dinner plus some milk, then a bath, then a top up, and then into bed for the night. If you are bathing before his dinner this will also make him more tired and probably not too keen to eat as much as he would if he was not tired. Dorothy |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 01 June 2013 at 8:22pm
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Hi Ladies Thank you for all your questions and hopefully the answers will help you. It was lovely to meet you all at the OHBaby Coffee Catchup. Remember before you do anything STOP, THINK, and ACT – work out what you are doing, why you are doing, and what you are trying to accomplish and then act. Remember YOU are the baby’s mum and so listen to your heart and instinct. Yes, we all don’t do it by the book, or get it right the first time, but you need to make ‘mistakes’ to get it right for you. It’s a time of learning a little person’s personality and figuring out what works for your home life. If you have the time I would love to see you pop over to http://www.facebook.com/BabyWithin and 'like' it. You can then keep up with information that I post from time to time or hear from other mothers who write on the wall. Please remember as a parent or carer that you should understand and acknowledge that Dorothy is NOT a licensed medical doctor or other licensed medical provider and the information that I share with you has come from experience and working with numerous families and babies and toddlers Dorothy |
Posted By: Guest_80203
Date Posted: 03 June 2013 at 4:17pm
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Hi Dorothy, That was a very informative session. I did meet up with you in the end of the morning session and asked a question about introducing solids. I had basically read a few things about it and most references said introducing a new vegetable every 2-3 days at around midday. So I started off with lunch rather than breakfast and dinner, but your way makes more sense. Now my son, Aaryan nearly 6 months is 3 weeks into weaning, so really cannot change anything about introducing solids. He has taken to liking most of the veges in the first foods list. He sleeps through the night and takes good naps in between as well. However, I wanted to now introduce a second meal , but not sure which one, breakfast or dinner? Could you please help? Payal |
Posted By: DorothyW
Date Posted: 04 June 2013 at 11:56am
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HI Payal I have answered your question via email as you also emailed me direct. Regards Dorothy |
Posted By: Guest_80203
Date Posted: 04 June 2013 at 12:08pm
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Hi Dorothy, Thanks a lot, but I have not received your email. Sorry, could you please resend again on pdiwadkar@gmail.com Thanks, Payal |