Rotavirus vaccine
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Topic: Rotavirus vaccine
Posted By: SouthKiwi
Subject: Rotavirus vaccine
Date Posted: 01 July 2014 at 4:08pm
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Hi, just wondering what others think about immunizing children against rotavirus? My baby got all the side effects babies can get from the 12 week jabs, not fun. So am concerned about him getting sick from the rotavirus vaccine. Any info/advice would be appreciated  ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: wimble
Date Posted: 01 July 2014 at 4:19pm
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I don't know about side effects, but my 2yo got rotavirus when he was 15 months old. It was horrendous. I swore that I would immunise any future kids regardless of the price as I couldn't bear to watch another one go through it. he was skin and bone, we were in A&E for dehydration, and he was miserable for a week. Poor wee guy :( So pleased ot see it is finally on the NZ immunisation schedule now! 0800 IMMUNE is always a good place to start for advice :) ------------- Mum to 3yo Mr C #2 due May 2015 :) http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: _Soda_
Date Posted: 01 July 2014 at 5:25pm
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Personally, I wouldnt. Your child has already reacted to past vaccines, which would suggest theres a high chance they will react to this also. do you want to risk more reactions- which can be serious? And a main reaction of this vaccine can be extreme vomiting diarrhea and stomach pain..its a live virus so its actually giving your child rotavirus in the hope itll stop them getting it in the future. And live vaccines shed, so its a possibility your vaccinated child can give it to others for a time after the vaccine. Yes rotavirus can be awful, but an intact immune system is better at fighting off germs than one that is bombarded with vaccines and all the stuff thats in them..your child has to actually catch rotavirus first which they may never do- or if they do it could be years in the future when yes itll still not be fun but they will come out the other side fine and with a better immune system for it.. jabbing bub now with a history of reacting is putting him directly in the line of fire.. from a mama who has watched her child reacting seriously to vaccines, if your child catches a bug naturally, theres 99.999% of the time something you can do to help their immune system fight it safely and keep them safe. If your child has a serious reaction to a vaccine, there is absolutely nothing you or a doctor can do about it. I know my opinion isnt the most popular view, but ive seen the "other side" of the story, and id rather take my chances with the illnesses themselves than a vaccine any day. Feel free to PM me if youd like more info. But all I can say is read the vaccine inserts themselves before making your decision. Ask questions to a variety of sources (remembering GPs are actually not allowed to tell you not to vaccinate no matter what they believe-fact.) and then make your decision. Mostly- trust your gut, your mama instinct is there for a reason..even if it goes against what others are saying. If it doesnt feel right, dont do it. Im sure youll make the right decision for your family xx ------------- My little miracle 6/1/2011 My angel in Heaven 9/5/14 http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: _Soda_
Date Posted: 01 July 2014 at 5:46pm
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www.immunize.org/packageinserts/pi_rotavirus.asp heres the link to the data sheet that comes with the actual vaccine. ------------- My little miracle 6/1/2011 My angel in Heaven 9/5/14 http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: _Soda_
Date Posted: 01 July 2014 at 5:57pm
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www.immune.org.nz/taxonomy/term/216 and scroll down for info on rotavirus itself..be aware the vaccine you are given may well still be in trial phases so if you do get it make sure you know exactly what you are given. Also has useful info on what to do if you or your child catches rotovirus :) ------------- My little miracle 6/1/2011 My angel in Heaven 9/5/14 http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: SouthKiwi
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 10:26am
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Thanks for all the info ladies. DF and I talked about it last night, we wont do it. I hope we are not making a mistake. My baby had his jabs two weeks ago, he has been unhappy and very fussy since. I dont know if it is due to the jabs or not but he was happy before then. And the rash on both thighs is still there so I think giving him another vaccine would be bad for him. Thanks again! ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: _Soda_
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 11:48am
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Well done mama for making an informed decision and asking questions :) if the rash is still there two weeks later thats not normal at all, and should be filed as a vaccine reaction..chat to your doctor about this xx ------------- My little miracle 6/1/2011 My angel in Heaven 9/5/14 http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Trouble147712
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 4:20pm
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I may be new here, but I can't let this go. Soda wrote: ".. jabbing bub now with a history of reacting is putting him directly in the line of fire.. " Rotavirus is not a jab, it's an oral vaccine. It's not a trial vaccine, it's been in the market for years in Australia and the US. Almost all children will catch rotavirus, unless they're immunised. "if your child catches a bug naturally, theres 99.999% of the time something you can do to help their immune system fight it safely and keep them safe." OK, what should you do if your child catches tetanus? Any home remedies for polio? "If your child has a serious reaction to a vaccine, there is absolutely nothing you or a doctor can do about it." Also not true. You stay at a doctor's for 20 mins after you get the vaccine so that they can give you adrenalin or whatever if you're the one in a millionth person who has an allergic reaction. You can cool a baby with a fever down by giving them plenty of fluids. There's a small risk of a kind of bowel blockage with rotavirus, which shows itself as severe tummy pain - this is serious but is completely fixable in hospital. Mild vomiting and diarrhoea are common reactions to rotavirus vaccine, but it's still better than the real thing, and you deal with it by keeping up their fluids. "but an intact immune system is better at fighting off germs than one that is bombarded with vaccines and all the stuff thats in them" Tell that to all the kids in Hamilton who haven't been immunised against measles. The ones who've had the shots are fighting off the disease - those who haven't are catching it. If you want to make an informed decision, you can't just take the word of some random on the internet. Talk to a doctor (really? who says they're "not allowed" to say anything, why would they say that, and how could anyone possibly enforce it?) or nurse. They've spent years at medical or nursing school, and worked countless hours helping sick children and adults, and they tend to know what they're talking about. |
Posted By: lola11
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 4:54pm
| I agree with trouble. Talk to your GP or practice nurse so you can get the correct information regarding rotavirus vaccine. To make an informed decision you need the correct facts. This forum will only get people's personal opinions and you need a professional discussion. |
Posted By: SouthKiwi
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 6:07pm
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Am not making a decision just by what other people are saying here. I have spoken to a nurse and plunket about it. I came here to see what people think about the vaccine. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: _Soda_
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 7:15pm
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Southkiwi asked for opinions..im sorry my opinion doesnt match with everyones but its my opinion and she deserves to hear all sides. The info I gave was from the data insert itself, the one written by the vaccine manufacturer themselves. Yes rotavirus is oral im aware of that, I was referring to all vaccinations in general..I have plenty of information on the questions you asked, trouble, feel free to private message me and ill share what I know with you, as sharing anything outside the "norm" is obviously going to start a handbag slinging match. I have sat and watched my own perfectly healthy daughter react 12 hours after her jabs- we thought she was going to die her reaction was so bad. The 20min wait post- vaccine is in case of anaphylaxis.. which yes they can give an epipen for. The majority of other reactions- like my daughters, cant be helped. Since her reaction we choose to not vaccinate. Someone asked for advice..I gave it. As for measles, tetanus etc, yes there are things you can do. Read the vaccine inserts, do your own research and make up your own mind. Educate yourself before you go saying this kind of thing. I realise you are new to this forum, but this is how public forums work..people give opinions, and no one has to agree, but pouncing on people like you have me is uncool. Again, if youd like more info feel free to message me. ------------- My little miracle 6/1/2011 My angel in Heaven 9/5/14 http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Pitter patter
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 8:09pm
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Soda sorry your daughter had such a bad reaction, that would be scary. Southkiwi I too have decided not to get the rotavirus vaccine for my 6 week old. I read the datasheet and balanced up the pros and cons. They could be shedding the vaccine for up to a month but the datasheet said average one week. Last thing we need right now is my older daughter to get sick. I my due in group one of the mums has a bubs not feeding properly after it. The hosp think because of an upset tummy which the datasheet says is a possible side effect, kind of defeats the purpose I reckon. Personal choice though, vaccination discussions tend to get heated but if we allow each other our own points of view, freedom to research beyond their gp (who are usually very pro immunisation) and express experiences and points of view they don't have to get heated. -------------  TTC number 2 since April 2011 MC Nov 12 Formally Mamma2one |
Posted By: Aquamarine
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 8:29pm
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Just to throw another view out there - a month ago my 3 month old was exposed to rotavirus from a recently-vaccinated baby who was shedding the virus. He contracted it and while it was fairly minor in our case (probably because I eat an extremely clean diet and he's exclusively breastfed, so would have been getting lots of antibodies passed to him from me with every feed), it did mean three days of power-vomits, unsettledness, crying, and the most disgusting smelling poos I've ever smelt from a breastfed baby. It took a few weeks for his stools to come right, and he has since developed a dairy intolerance which has meant cutting dairy out of my diet. We don't vaccinate at all, and I get really sick of being labelled a plague-spreader while it's somehow ok for others to spread vaccine viruses!! It can and does happen, and the rotavirus vaccine is notorious for it. If you've already seen your baby react to vaccines, I'd urge you to reconsider any future ones - for some children reactions are due to excipients or adjuvants, some of which accumulate in the body. For others it's a mitochondrial issue, which isn't going to go away. Either way, if there's already been one reaction there's a good chance that you'd experience more with subsequent vaccinations. Be very careful. I would urge you all to read the data sheet, look at the side effects, the ingredients, what those do in the body, how they go into the body, the diseases themselves and how to treat those and how common they are, whether or not vaccines actually got rid of them or were they already at current levels prior to the vaccine's introduction, etc etc. Ask questions. Don't rely on the pretty government pamphlets which gloss over these issues, don't give any real information as to treatments, and don't give you any real information. We as parents deserve better than to be talked down to, treated like imbeciles, and scared into doing things without being given the opportunity to give true informed consent. |
Posted By: Trouble147712
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 8:56pm
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I'm not trying to be cool - I'm butting in here because it bugs me to see people genuinely worried and looking for information getting served a bunch of untruths. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. I believe what you say about your own daughter's reaction. Was it a febrile seizure? They happen to a few babies and are scary looking, but aren't associated with long term harm. They're caused by fever of any sort, not just vaccine-related fevers. There's not much you can do but wait for them to pass. But, it doesn't follow from one scary reaction that vaccination in general harms your immune system. The diseases do far worse damage 999,999 times out of a million. If I had to choose between giving my child a febrile seizure and giving her measles, I'd hate every second of it but I'd choose the seizure. I know someone who was blinded by measles. I've done a lot of reading on the subject. Package inserts are written in medical gobbledegook and are easy to misunderstand. There's a good, balanced page about rotavirus vaccine on the http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Consumers/educational-material/rotavirusQandA.asp" rel="nofollow - Medsafe website . Medsafe is the government agency that checks whether every medicine for sale in NZ is safe and effective. They don't sell the vaccine, or pay for the hospital treatment of kids with rotavirus, so they have no financial incentives to promote it. |
Posted By: SouthKiwi
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 9:01pm
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Thanks again ladies, I had the feeling this was going to happen. As I said before, I just wanted to know what others thought about it. My baby has been fussy and unhappy since his last lot of vaccines so I think giving him another one right now would be a bad idea. He did not react at all when he got given the jabs at 6 weeks however he did at 12 weeks. He got a rash on both thighs and it hasn't gone away. And he is not feeding as well (he is formula fed so I know how much he gets). I respect others opinions and choices so please respect mine and if you have something bad to say don't say it at all. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: _Soda_
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 9:20pm
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Package inserts are not hard to read at all in my opinion. and my daughters reaction wasnt a febrile seizure. Ive seen febrile seizures, and are very aware of what happens, what causes them and how harmless they are. it was nothing like a seizure. My daughters reaction required an emergency trip to hospital, required admission to hospital, and was also recorded by the hospital pediatrician as a serious vaccine reaction on the CARM database and we are unable to vaccinate further because of it. I have PMd you Trouble, with more info and answers to your questions in your initial post. im not about to get into an argument on such a sensitive topic on here. ------------- My little miracle 6/1/2011 My angel in Heaven 9/5/14 http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Rebecca142173
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 9:21pm
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Hi everyone, I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in for what its worth . I do believe people have the right to choose whether they vaccinate their children or not. It is one of the first major medical decisions we make for our children. In saying that, I am pro-vaccine. As a teacher it is really hard to sit and watch a virus like measles or whooping cough wipe through the un-vaccinated children while the vaccinated ones are fine. At childcare centres or schools this does happen and it happens often and the children can become deathly ill from it which I find really hard to watch when there is something so simple to do to stop it. While this is why I will always vaccinate my children I do not expect others to agree with my opinion nor do I intend this as a way to have a go at other peoples opinions or force my opinion on anyone. You are the child's parent and whatever you choose to do you do with your child's best interests at heart so in that respect whatever decision you make will be the right one. Thats just my 2 cents anyway I hope it helps you come to a decision and I hope no-one takes offense at it as it was not intended that way
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Posted By: Trouble147712
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 9:25pm
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Aquamarine, if your baby caught the vaccine virus, they're better off than if they caught the real thing. At least it's been weakened, unlike, say, wild measles. Rotavirus is incredibly common, and is one of the top causes of hospital admission in babies under 12 months, I've heard. My nephew got the vaccine in Australia a while back, and he had green poo for a couple of weeks - a bit messy but no biggy. Which adjuvants accumulate in the body? http://www.immune.org.nz/sites/default/files/resources/ConcernAluminiumImac20140512V01Final.pdf" rel="nofollow - Aluminium? We get reactions because our immune system is designed to react to things entering the body - we get fevers to kill the germs, inflammation to get the white blood cells to cluster round their entry point. One of the reactions we get is lasting immunity. Better to get those without the disease than with it. |
Posted By: Pitter patter
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 9:28pm
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Posted By: Trouble147712
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 9:31pm
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SouthKiwi - I see your baby is older than 12 weeks - if they're over 15 weeks they're too old to get the rotavirus vaccine anyway and it's all a moot point. Soda, if you've been advised not to vaccinate any further then that's a sensible decision for your family and I'd totally endorse it. I hope you don't convince too many people around you not to vaccinate, though, because every vaccinated person around you is protecting your daughter from the diseases she can't be immunised against. |
Posted By: _Soda_
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 9:33pm
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Trouble- you are right- except vaccination is NOT lasting immunity... Rebecca, absolutely not, everyone is entitled to their opinion! interesting to hear your story actually, as Im also a teacher, have taught 0-5s for over 10 years..and ive been through many a whooping cough etc outbreak.. children caught it..vaccinated, unvaccinated...didnt really matter from what i saw. and the unvaccinated children were no worse off than the vaccinated ones as far as severity and duration.. so its interesting to see your point of view also as a teacher. ------------- My little miracle 6/1/2011 My angel in Heaven 9/5/14 http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Pitter patter
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 9:41pm
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Trouble south kiwis baby was 14 weeks according to what she wrote. I don't find datasheets hard to read, I don't understand why you wouldn't read them ------------- TTC number 2 since April 2011 MC Nov 12 Formally Mamma2one |
Posted By: Rebecca142173
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 9:44pm
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I agree soda - it is always interesting to hear other peoples opinions and what they have experienced because everyones experience has been so different! If everyone had the same opinion all the time the world would be a very boring place indeed! For me it was a measles outbreak a few years back and it hit the unvaccinated children really hard it was heartbreaking to watch and from that day on I swore I would vaccinate my children (I am a primary school teacher so the children I teach are a bit older). In saying that I have never seen a child have a reaction to a vaccine so I am not in a position to say if I would still be pro-vaccine had that happened to one of my children, I would like to think I would but you just never know! The only thing I think we can do is read the information for both sides, because there are pros and cons for both, and make our own decision based on that. You can't do anything more and in all reality whatever decision you make is right for you, your family and your situation. |
Posted By: _Soda_
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 9:47pm
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Trouble- regardless of whether my child can be vaccinated or not, i dont hold anyone else responsible for her health or safety. that is MY job. I dont mind whether her friends are vaccinated or unvaccinated, it doesnt change a thing in my opinion. vaccinated people can still carry a virus and spread it. my child is my responsibility, not the responsibility of the rest of the world as far as vaccination is concerned. herd immunity does not exist, and cannot exist through vaccination. but thats a whole other conversation so ill leave it at that. Even if i could, i wouldnt. ------------- My little miracle 6/1/2011 My angel in Heaven 9/5/14 http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: _Soda_
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 9:51pm
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yep Rebecca absolutely.. its a very personal decision. and dont worry, my opinions are not about to "talk people out of vaccinating" ... nothing anyone says will make me vaccinate just as much as nothing I say will convince you. its all about reading information from both sides (tricky when so much of it is biased and controlled by the drug companies themselves..) all I can do is encourage parents to research and come to their own conclusions. its not something anyone can force upon someone is it and trust me, before my childs reaction, nothing would have talked me out of vaccinating either. so i do understand both sides of the argument. ------------- My little miracle 6/1/2011 My angel in Heaven 9/5/14 http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: SouthKiwi
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 9:52pm
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Yes, 14 weeks and 2 days. I know this vaccine has to be given before 15 weeks, that's why I came to ask what people thought. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Rebecca142173
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 10:08pm
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I totally agree with you Soda. I would never try to change somebodies opinion because that is something they have researched and come to themselves so must be right for them just as I would expect people to respect my decision for the same reasons. Southkiwi: I think you have done the right thing you have researched you have asked for peoples opinions and experiences and made an informed decision you can't do more than that and you should be able to expect people to respect your decision. At the end of the day if all else fails go with your gut. Instincts are there for a reason
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Posted By: Trouble147712
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 10:22pm
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Data sheets are literally produced by the drug companies. They're designed to cover their butts by setting out every conceivable bad outcome, not help people to judge what's likely. They're not hard to read; they're easy to misinterpret if you don't have a statistical background. If you don't trust information put out by drug companies, I don't know why you'd trust the data sheets. If you want some hardcore independent research about vaccine safety, this has just come out: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/06/26/peds.2014-1079.abstract" rel="nofollow - Safety of Vaccines Used for Routine Immunization of US Children: A Systematic Review Vaccinated people can indeed carry a disease and spread it - they just do it at very different rates to unvaccinated people. I think only four out of seventy people in Hamilton with the measles were vaccinated, in a population where vaccinated people probably outnumber unvaccinated people five to one. |
Posted By: Trouble147712
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 10:36pm
| Gut instincts are there because they were all that kept us alive on the savannah ten thousand years ago before we had cities and agriculture. We have epidemiologists now for this kind of problem. |
Posted By: Aquamarine
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 11:07pm
HA.Oh wait, you were serious? This is so nonsensical and utterly offensive I honestly don't know where to begin. 1 - Please provide proof that 'they're better off than catching the real thing' 2 - Please explain what 'the real thing' is 3 - Please explain how it's ok for a vaccinated person to infect somebody with a disease FROM that vaccine, but it's not ok for me to not vaccinate my child lest they magically infect your vaccinated, and thus supposedly protected, child with a magical virus they aren't actually carrying? 4 - Please explain how it's been weakened, despite evidence to the contrary'? 5 - Please explain how the immune system is designed to react to IM injections of all the various adjuvants etc in combo? 6 - Please explain how aluminium is safe 7 - Please explain neonatal immune development and how switching the phenotype from anti- to pro-inflammatory is safe 8 - Please explain how epigenetically, it is safe to introduce all those animal proteins and derivatives etc Thanks. Just to reiterate - you ARE saying that it's ok for my son to have contracted a disease given to him by another child who was shedding a vaccine they'd just had, right? Nay, even going so far as to say it's a good thing? Wow. Just wow. |
Trouble147712 wrote:Posted By: _Soda_
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 11:09pm
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Wow, trouble-really? I think this is going around in circles. Southkiwi is making her decision in a sensible fashion and I applaud that. Not much point going on about it now. Trouble you are starting to look kinda silly, probably time to end this.. Im outty. ------------- My little miracle 6/1/2011 My angel in Heaven 9/5/14 http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Aquamarine
Date Posted: 02 July 2014 at 11:28pm
| The hypocrisy is disgusting. |
Posted By: *Sara*
Date Posted: 03 July 2014 at 7:22am
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There is absolutely no need be nasty to each other, you were asked for your opinions not to Judge others! How about you all be happy you are in the position to decide to vaccinate your children or not, something I won't get to do!! |
Posted By: Mummabear16
Date Posted: 03 July 2014 at 7:25am
| Posts about vaccines are always 99.9% likely to end up in an argument. Sad but true. |
Posted By: Aquamarine
Date Posted: 03 July 2014 at 8:51am
| Sorry, I was polite and civil in my initial post and I'm not remotely interested in an argument, people should do what they like (such is the beauty of choice) - but to be told that it's good for your tiny baby to have been sick with a virus that's left his gut stuffed? Totally not ok. The member is brand new but as far as I'm concerned that's no excuse for that kind of offensive and inflammatory rubbish and I wasn't about to sit back and let it slide. |
Posted By: Mummabear16
Date Posted: 03 July 2014 at 8:55am
| Oh I'm 100% pro vaccines as well, I personally can't understand why people wouldn't. But as they say - different families, different parenting styles etc etc. |
Posted By: Trouble147712
Date Posted: 03 July 2014 at 9:18am
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1 - Please provide proof that 'they're better off than catching the real thing' 2 - Please explain what 'the real thing' is It's virtually certain that without vaccination, your child will catch wild rotavirus at some point, which has a 2% chance of sending your baby to hospital, through dehydration caused by constant vomiting and diarrhoea. The attenuated vaccine virus has about a 10% chance of giving your baby mild diarrhoea. 3 - Please explain how it's ok for a vaccinated person to infect somebody with a disease FROM that vaccine, but it's not ok for me to not vaccinate my child lest they magically infect your vaccinated, and thus supposedly protected, child with a magical virus they aren't actually carrying? Feel free to have this argument with someone who is actually making that claim. I'm not. It's not ok to infect anyone with anything, as far as you can help it. Sometimes you can't help it. I'd rather be inadvertently infected by a vaccine virus than a wild one any day. 4 - Please explain how it's been weakened, despite evidence to the contrary'? Sure, once you provide evidence to the contrary. Since the vaccine was introduced in Australia, the number of kids hospitalised with rotavirus dropped 70%. That seems like a pretty clear effect. 5 - Please explain how the immune system is designed to react to IM injections of all the various adjuvants etc in combo? I don't need to. I've already pointed to evidence that side effects are rare. If it caused problems, there have been enough studies that we'd be able to see. Same with all the other ten-dollar words you're using. There is no legitimate scientific controversy over whether vaccination in general is safe and effective. Each vaccine has its own safety and effectiveness information - some are better than others, and the work that scientists do to assess that is very important and worth keeping up with if you're interested in that kind of thing. Public health experts are unified on this issue because that's where the evidence points, not because they're in cahoots with drug companies. Where there are legitimate differences of opinion, is how we feel about taking on a small risk to protect against a bigger, harder to quantify one. The especially complicated part is how we feel when the risk is an individual one and the benefit is shared by everyone. We're also responsible of making that choice on behalf of our children without being public health experts ourselves. Of course people get upset when it goes wrong. I'm fine with everyone making that call in the best way they know how. But they need good information to do that, not alarmist pseudoscience from the conspiracy section of the internet. You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. |
Posted By: Aquamarine
Date Posted: 03 July 2014 at 9:41am
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I get my facts from PubMed, thanks. Again - to tell somebody it's ok that their tiny baby was left sick from a vaccine they didn't get nor want is wrong, offensive, and very hypocritical, and I suggest brushing up not only on some basic immunology, but on internet etiquette and how to be polite. I smell a troll... |
Posted By: SouthKiwi
Date Posted: 03 July 2014 at 10:16am
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Very sad to see that a simple question created an argument. Trouble, maybe you dont know how forums work? Most of us come here to get opinions and advice from others. It does not mean we will make important decisions based on what we get told. We are not ignorant, we know where to go to ask for help. I have done my own reaserch, have spoken to plunket and to a nurse. So am confident and happy with what I am doing. So please stop hurting people's feelings and let us be happy with whatever we want to do with/to/for our children. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: SouthKiwi
Date Posted: 03 July 2014 at 10:22am
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And I only got told about this vaccine because is now free. Otherwise I wouldnt have known it was available. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Trouble147712
Date Posted: 03 July 2014 at 11:03am
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I've had more than a decade of experience on forums, but perhaps less on ones where it's more important to reassure people that what they want to believe is the right answer, and more on ones where challenging and debating arguments isn't considered a faux-pas. I'd like to point out that I've been called silly, hypocritical, offensive, a troll and now impolite for contradicting Soda and Aquamarine. I haven't called anyone else anything. You wanted people's opinions, SouthKiwi, this is mine: that truth is important, and you should decide what suits you best with truthful information. Take it or leave it as you see fit. I would have walked on by had I not been concerned that Soda was scaring you needlessly by telling you things that just aren't true. |
Posted By: Aquamarine
Date Posted: 03 July 2014 at 2:29pm
Hear, hear.  And good on you for doing your research and having the strength and confidence to think for yourself :) |