Competitive mothering... (longish!)
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Topic: Competitive mothering... (longish!)
Posted By: Katherine
Subject: Competitive mothering... (longish!)
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 10:26pm
Has anyone else ever experienced this? Or felt the urge to engage in a bit of competitive mothering yourself?
I'm reluctant to talk about it, but things have come to a head today, and knowing how opinionated you ladies all are, I figured, what the heck. Lay it out there. See what you think.
My SIL, who is a few years younger than me and is married to DH's brother, had a baby (my nephew) a month before Emma Rose was born. Meaning, we were pregnant at (mostly) the same time, and now our babies are similar ages. Unfortunately, SIL and I don't have a close relationship. Also unfortunately, SIL's head is sometimes as thick as a boulder, so even my asking her point-blank to stop comparing our children doesn't get through to her. She's also a bit of a know-it-all when it comes to child-rearing, and doesn't hesitate to give me her opinion on every single thing I do as a parent.
The latest example of this was today, when she rang to give me a piece of her mind because I left Emma Rose with my MIL yesterday, because I was in a wedding. Emma has a cold, and she was snotty when DH took her to MIL's house, but apparently she got worse in the evening. SIL had come over with her baby, and made a big deal out of moving my nephew away from Emma when they were playing, getting out the anti-bacterial wipes to sponge down all the toys Em had touched, and refusing to put her baby in the high chair after Em had been in it, until every surface had been disinfected.
MIL apparently told her numerous times that she could leave if she wanted to, but SIL stayed put and spent the entire time slamming me for leaving my sick child with someone else, and thereby possibly infecting her child. EXCUSE me, SIL. I didn't invite you over. But that doesn't matter, apparently. I'm a bad parent for choosing to be a bridesmaid in a friend's wedding when my baby was sick.
By the way, DH took Emma to the doc yesterday morning, and the doc said she has a cold, but it isn't severe. We asked MIL if she minded looking after a sick baby, and she said no problem. So we were prepared for DH to stay home with Em, had she been deathly ill. According to MIL, Em spent the whole time playing and had a great time, although she was a snotmonster.
So back to SIL. Besides the usual attack on my parenting skills, she also asked "innocently", "Where does Emma get all these colds? Does she go to a playgroup or something? She's ALWAYS sick." (Emma has had ONE cold before this, and one ear infection.) She also ranted about how my MIL should have called her to tell her that Em had a cold before they went over, because she never would have taken her son and exposed him to my child's germs. This, too, is apparently my fault, for not telling MIL to call her.
I want to go ON and ON about her, because I have a LOT stored up, but this is long enough. What I'm wondering is, when is enough, enough? At what point do I stop playing nice and start telling her to mind her own freaking business? Do I say anything at all, knowing it's like talking to a brick wall anyway?
AARRGGHH! Thanks for the rant, ladies. I suppose there is no help for me! But at least I got it out of my system!
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Posted By: Bombshell
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 10:29pm
hmmm wait til her kid is sick etc and make a comment that is cutting then???
She sounds like a complete cow to be honest...and isnt it worse when she is **FAMILY**....
HUGS!!!! cant be easy putting up with that crap and trying to look after the snot monster!
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Posted By: miss
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 10:32pm
That would be so irritating!
Do you think she would get it if you were blunt with her and told her to quit it? WIth this one I think I would have said something like, please stop ranting at me, we had checked EMma at the doctor before leaving her with MIL, who was happy to have her, you should have gone home if you were so concerned, how I choose to parent my child is none of your business.
I think you need to be honest and shut her up, becasue at the moment you don't have a relationship with her and all she is doing is making you angry. The result of her her listenign to you might be no relationship with her (no change) and no annoying contact outside family functions - a good result!
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Posted By: Katherine
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 10:32pm
Aww, Bombshell, I knew I liked you for a reason. Thanks for the hugs. I needed that. I really, really, really want to gather up my dog's poop from my backyard and go over in the middle of the night and scatter them through SIL's car. I am just SO FED UP!
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Posted By: miss
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 10:40pm
Well, scattering dog poo in the car would definitley send a message!! Lol!
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Posted By: Katherine
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 10:44pm
Hey Miss, I was afraid you'd say that. I know it's the obvious solution. I know it is! But here's the thing: SIL is totally freaking oblivious. Completely. If I told her what I really think, or tried just laying it out there for her, she'd be telling the world that I am highly strung, take things too personally, overreact to some friendly advice, etc. So my main method of dealing with SIL is avoidance.
Actually, I'm not the only one. The whole family -- extended family included -- avoids SIL like the plague. She's so disliked, that this Easter, when the extended family rents a bach in Taupo for the week, the aunties who organise the house renting have hidden it from SIL and BIL because they don't want them to come along. They actually lie to her face when she asks what the Easter plans are. God knows what will happen when she finds out we all went down there without her.
The reason everyone avoids her, and avoids confrontation with her? BIL. BIL is, God bless him, not the sharpest of tacks, the brightest of bulbs, the smartest of men. He is basically SIL's doormat. She orders him around, she verbally abuses him, she censors his time with his mates. I'd call it abuse. BIL defends her like the most deluded of knights. So we're all afraid that if we tell her what she really, really, really needs to hear, she'll take out her anger on BIL.
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Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 10:52pm
I skim read this and my first (albeit fleeting) thoughts were that I was surprised you haven't strangled this woman yet - family or not !! But silly jokes about abusing her aside, I can really understand your pain... I am acquainted with someone who is JUST like her and sh*ts me no end, but doesn't ever seem to get the message. Fortunately for me I guess, she's not family, but just hard to avoid. Big hugs !!
------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~
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Posted By: miss
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 10:58pm
SOunds like you are really caught between a rock and a hard place then - big hugs!
As they say, you can't choose your family - in cases like this, that saying seems really unfair! What a shame your BIL can't wake up and see what is happening.
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Posted By: Katherine
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 11:01pm
Thanks, jax! I wonder if the person you're acquainted with IS my SIL? LOL, how awful that would be, as I would never wish her on anyone!
BTW, I don't think I got to meet you at the Meet and Greet today -- I was talking to someone and suddenly there were all these new mums there! I hope we can chat next time, so I can put a name to a face! :)
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 8:33am
Ooooh Katherine, I don't know how you have bitten your tongue for so long. Me, I have about all the subtlety of a Mack truck, and very large mouth which fits my foot in it very well...
I think Bombshell has the right idea - wait until her kid is sick and then say "oh dear, how did he get sick? He must have picked something up from playgroup."
Then again if she is as thick as you suspect even that may be too subtle!
And LMAO Jax I have no idea who you mean
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Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: nuttymama
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 8:49am
Seriously you deserve a medal for not smacking her around the back of the head already. I can't really offer any advice as she seems like a real ditz just hang in there and take heart that you are a wonderful mother. Maybe you should tell her next time that kids getting colds is supposed to be good for them, it helps them build a little immunity against worse ones.
Good luck, hey maybe you should take up boxing and stick a picture of her on the bag!!!
------------- Abigail 06/01/2005
Jayden 21/11/2001
Micheal 03/04/1997
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 9:12am
i wonder - if she was an acquaintance (cant remember how to spell that now) how would you deal with her.????
maybe you need to practice thinking like a duck - and let it all roll off your back...hard i know but if she is too dense or refuses to get it then that is all you can do.
or I would recommend maybe just taking a leaf out of her book and acting dense back... just laugh and make a joke out of whatever she is complaining about - it will prob really piss her off and she will have to give up eventually.
so maybe when she complained that she should have been told emma rose was sick laugh and say "of course, i forgot you were a sticky beak...ha ha ha".
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Posted By: Jennz
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 9:27am
OMG I can so relate! I have a nightmare SIL too. It all came to a head for us when she yelled and swore at me and MIL in front of her children and my DD. I was sick and shocked at the time so just stood there stunned and took it, but it wound me up so much that the next time she called I had her up about it. The rest of the family just puts up with it as she is the type to not let them see her kids but I didn't want her thinking she could get away with it with me. It was horrible at the time- I was shaking and in tears as I hate confrontation soooo much but afterwards I was so proud of myself. She has 'washed her hands' of me which is bl**dy BRILLIANT! I don't have to put up with her phone calls, make polite conversation or pretend to like her anymore. Its uncomfortable but so much more honest than it was before and she knows that at least I'm not a pushover and she can't treat me like that and get away with it.
I guess its up to you to measure when enough is enough. For me I put up with a hell of alot before I blew- she had me in tears after almost every visit.
------------- Jen, Charlotte 7 & Kate 3
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Posted By: jax
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 9:38am
I would really hope the person I know isn't your SIL, that would be pretty awful !
And I sort of saw you yesterday Katherine, but I don't think we introduced ourselves properly?
------------- Jacquie - Mama to Erin, 13.07.06 - Chief Cat Chaser & Marmite Sammie Eater
Love many, trust few, harm none. ~Anon~
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Posted By: SMoody
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 1:25pm
I get it a lot in the extended family over here about how I raise my daughter. About still co-sleeping and breastfeeding. I thought about it really long and hard and I told myself I have two options. ( I really tried the nice route but am fed-up now).
You can either start totally ignoring it and laughing it off. Or number two start getting sarcastic about it. I suppose it isnt really an answer.
Dont really know what to say I have the same problem at the moment. Just hugs perhaps?
I think no matter what you are going to do she will have an opinion and most propably voice it. So you have to find a way in yourself to deal with the problem as it will always be there. Okay I am making no sense here. lol.
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 1:38pm
Katherine, i have an uncle in law very similar
"Gosh, Jake doesn't speak as well as Kaea"
Kaea is his grandson AND a year and a half older than Jake.
My remark, that has stopped it MOSTLY (well, to my face anyway)
"Gosh, C, when did you get YOUR degree in childhood development?"
seemed to work quite well.
I really understand your frustration though. I really think us Oh baby ladiesare really good at being non-judgemental and even when we express our opinions, do so in a caring manner...which is why I come here not "other" places that told me i was "stupid" for not knowing i was pregnant with Taine.
Families suck.
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Posted By: Katherine
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 1:57pm
Families do suck, but somehow, inlaws always suck more. At least in my case.
SIL can kiss my arse, I've decided. I'm going to have to get some courage and be honest with her, even though it scares the living hell out of me. I'll wait until the next time she tries to stick her nose into my business, and I'll ask her what her problem is. No doubt she'll sputter and backtrack and mumble and start spouting off some revisionist version of the truth -- she is a great one for warping and twisting what she said, and what others said -- but she needs to be put in her place. Or at the very least, I need to stand up for myself and stop letting her walk all over me like she does to BIL.
You have all given me such great perspective and advice on this issue, which extends to the broader SIL problems I routinely face, and for that I am so very grateful. You all rock my world!
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Posted By: Peace
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 2:35pm
God, I did a big ranty post about this subject and it started to get personal so I had to delete it .
I think it is time to kiss the stupid mole off. Hang up if she calls, ignore her when she comes over. There is no point in bothering for the sake of family if she isn't. When she finally draws fire long enough to ask why, pay her out.
------------- DD1 May 2006
DD2 March 2011
DD3 August 2012
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Posted By: Peace
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 2:38pm
Oh, and FYI. You wont realise how much support you will have from others till you pay her out.
------------- DD1 May 2006
DD2 March 2011
DD3 August 2012
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Posted By: my2angels
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 3:29pm
oh man she sounds exactly like my best friends SIL and i have no idea how she bites her toungue either. My SIL is a semi pain in the arse but nothing like yours. To be honest it would eat me up so much i would have to give her a piece of my mind... Im happy with confrontation if i know im in the right or when it comes to my kids.
Maybe its time you say what everyone else is to scared to.
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Posted By: miss
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 3:32pm
Boy oh boy - am I glad I married an only child!!!!
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 8:36pm
I think I am quite lucky in the fact that me and DH are the only ones that have children and it'll be that way for a few more years I think (even thou DH is the youngest) so I don't have the family to tell me how to do things. I do have a FIL that thinks that HE knows how to raise Andrew even thou he did none of the raising of his 4 children. He trys to tell me how to do things and I hit the personal spot and say "yes and YOU did a wonderful job of parenting YOUR 4 children (NOT)". It shuts him up fast (I don't think he was all too pleased that his youngest child married a very strong willed and headed woman ). Even today he was trying to make Andrew eat his sandwich and I sat there in so much pain (horrible baby inside) telling him that children that are forced to eat develop eating disorders (I know I was probably talking out of my ar$e, but what does he know), and I would really like it if you didn't give Andrew one. Good think for me is the MIL will always back me up on the eating thing as she never made her children eat if they weren't hungry.
I know by now I would have given your SIL an ear full and told her where to go and to get over her little hang ups she has. I had a friend that would do the comparing thing all the time and it drove us apart as I never wanted to be around her. Andrew got sick it was my fault, but if her little girl got a chest infection (as she did quite often as a baby) it had nothing to do with the fact that both the parents smoked inside the house and no ventilation and she was made to be in the room with the smoke (as a baby she couldn't move) and therefore not her fault. She would compare development with Andrew (Andrew is 3 months older) and anything Andrew was doing milestone wise her girl had to be doing it as well at the same time as Andrew. The best was Andrew crawling at 5 months and her 2 month old was as well YEAH RIGHT.
I wish you all the luck when you do tell her what a pain she is.
------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 9:27am
Katherine I went through a time when I felt that my FIL was being particularly manipulative and guilt-tripping on me and I hated it, but I hate confrontations as well. In the end I practised and practised what I was going to say to him if it ever happened again and sure enough, it did. On the phone one day (fortunately!). And I turned around and said "FIL, I'm not going to have you guilt-trip me" and he backed down and has been a lot better ever since. It felt good and I did it nicely, but at the same time, my hands were still shaking when I hung up.
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Posted By: mum2paris
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 8:31pm
he he, Katherine it sucks but i guess all mums do it.. they like to share what their kids can do.. and feel guilty if they aren't up to someone elses in one area to try to accentuate what they CAN do in others. .. ie competitiveness.. but mostly people realise kids are different, learn at their own speed etc.
However.. definately - if your she was that concerned about your baby being sick and her child getting it then she should have left. but wow i mean, you should feel proud cos your child did something that apperently hers hasn't yet.. lol.
Who cares where they get them from - it could be some person sneezed on something she touched.. anywhere.. it doesn't take much for kids to get sick - but the best thing is the ones that get all these things tend to be the ones that don't get as sick later on cos they have IMMUNITY! lol.
My mum constantly compares all the grandkids - i don't think it helps that usually we tend to have them in pairs.. and they are the same sex too, ie two 12 yr old boys, two 9 yr old girls, two 4 yr old boys, then Ayja, who is only 4 months younger than Bailey. and yes while bailey has learning difficulties and more than a few medical probs.. she is constantly comparing him to Ayja.. poor kid can't do anything right. and Ayja.. I know she is small but is growing and isn't overly too tiny. Bailey on the other hand is on the freakishly large side of things being taller than paris is now (he has just turned 2, is same height as my 4 yr old nephews) it's always oh look at his hands they are so much bigger than hers, oh she's so light, it may be innocent but come on, he's older than her and is huge for his age.. it's not like i starve her! (he he, we all have our rants)
Anyway I would so go feral on her.
------------- Janine and her 2 cool chicks, Paris & Ayja
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Posted By: Andie
Date Posted: 13 February 2007 at 3:01pm
I'm with the Go Feral idea! Winner.
On a tangent, my mum compares Ella soooo much to her great-neice who is 6 weeks older than Ella. Now my cousin and his wife (mum's great-neice's parents) never compare our babies, I can't imagine either of them doing so. Hubby got sick of only ever hearing about mum's great-neice whenever she came over to see Ella, and if he thought she was comparing them, it must've been bad! She also showed a ton more excitement over her great-neice's birth than over Ella's, and in fact was heaps happier for their pregnancy than for mine! And this is strange, when my cousin's baby arrived, she got so excited at work that everyone knew about it the moment it'd happened. She told them "It's OK - I'm allowed to react... I'm getting it out of my system now for when my granddaughter arrives", and then tells ME this! WTF?!??
------------- Andie
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