What to do? 1 or 2 kids?
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Topic: What to do? 1 or 2 kids?
Posted By: Two Blondinis
Subject: What to do? 1 or 2 kids?
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 10:40am
On one hand I'd LOVE another baby, I really enjoy being a Mum and I loved being pregnant and it would be great for Caitlin to have a sister/brother.
On the other hand I think that life is great with just the 3 of us and now that she is out of the "baby" stage we can do a lot more with her (playing etc) and I really enjoy our time together but I find it hard to give her all of the attention she deserves with working 4 days a week and trying to run the house etc whilst DH has to work late all the fricken time with no sign of it getting better! (own business so has to be there) and if I'm honest with myself, things haven't been exactly rosey with me and DH since we had Caitlin sow hy would I want to bring another child into that!?!? (he doesn't like anything to interrupt his daily routines) and hasn't been what you would call supportive since I went from 3 days to 4 days working even though I have said many times that this has affected me more that I thought it would. This was very obvious after I spent all last week home with her because she was sick and so was my Mum. It was SO SO SOOOOO hard leaving her this morning, it was just like leaving her for the first time again
If I had another baby he/she would take up all of my time and my poor lil' girl would get left out even more
So I've been talking myself OUT of having another baby. I’ve been charting for a couple of months now because it took us so long to get pregnant with Caitlin and thought to myself this morning with the thermometer in my mouth "why am I doing this?"
We're not planning on TTC until January but right now I want to forget about it all.
**whinge over**
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 10:48am
I remember when I got pregnant with Josh and I felt so guilty that I wouldn't have anytime for Andrew and he would be left out because of this new baby in the house. Once Josh was here Andrew actually got more time with me as Josh was sleeping more and I didn't have this huge bump in front of me.
The older child I think gets over the fact that there is someone else there that needs mummy. I know I did some horrible things to my younger sister when she came (pulling her around by the ears at 3 weeks old ) but its a learnig curve for them. Andrew did the same he pulled Josh up from his play mat to the chair while I was in the shower. I know I didn't want Andrew to be an only child as he is such a social person so maybe thing about how Caitlin would feel if she is an only child?
I also thing it is best just to forget about TTC sometimes and as you say your not looking at doing it till Kan next year so for the next 6 months maybe just temp every other day or maybe even give that up for a few months to give you a break fromdoing it.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 11:04am
Aww Toni, only you will know what is right for your family. I would keep up the temps as you have the next 6 months to decided what is best.
I had last week with Tyrell as his carer was sick, then in the weekend he turned to crap. His carer was happy to have him today, he grizzled all morning as he had not had enough sleep, then when I dropped him off for the 1st time ever he cried. So all the way to work I balled like a pathtic kid! I am only now just recovering now! I so hate leaving him at the mo! (I did text his carer and he was sound asleep...so he is fine)
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 11:04am
well i can hardly talk here - but ....
STICK WITH ONE!!!!!!
oh ok that might be a bit harsh...but sometimes even now i wonder (or is that wish) about only having one child.
before i had toby i used to wonder how i could share my love and my time and that part has been easier than i thought, but the demands on me have been harder to deal with with 2 kids. and thats with me staying at home.
Kids are lovely but not all the time and not wanting her to be an only child would be a bad reason to have more kids, in my opinion.
i would prob stop the charting for a while and maybe just relax about it for a while and reassess your decision in a couple of months time so that by the time jan comes up you know for sure.
On the hubby front tho i will say that my hubby is a bit the same where he doesnt like (and cant cope) with changes to his routine or even how he plans things in his mind (makes spontaneity a bit hard ) so feel for you on that one too.
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 11:16am
Honestly? If there are any doubts AT ALL, DON'T!!
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Posted By: Kels
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 11:17am
Aww chicka what a hard decision to make. I agree with Amy, only you know what is right for your family and you have the next 6mths to decided as you were wanting to ttc in Jan if wanting anyone one. A lot can happen in 6mths and you may have more of an idea by then.
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Posted By: baalamb
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 11:19am
I'm not even back at work part time (during the day like you are) but I have the same thoughts and are kind of in the same situation to an extent. We wanted to start TTC at the beginning of '08, but some days, the way I see it is I'm still young and there's plenty of time for another one later on so why are we rushing into TTC in '08? At the moment, right now, our family situation is really, really enjoyable and I can't even imagine bringing another one into the mix.
It's a really, really hard decision and one that I would imagine would take a LOT of contemplating before you are ready to make a definite decision one way or the other.
It might help to make a list of pros/cons to having another baby??? I started writing one out and it definitely helps to get those thoughts out of your head and on to paper (or website lol).
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Posted By: caraMel
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 11:22am
I agree with everything Deb said!
Although my advice probably isn't worth anything as I'm really struggling with deciding whether or not to do it all again myself
Agree with Becks too, maybe giving yourself a break from the charting and thinking about it all and just see what your heart tells you in a few months time.
------------- Mel, Mummy to E: 6, B: 4 and:
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Posted By: SMoody
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 11:28am
You know we are pondering the same question. I am a SAHM and dont even need to worry about work ect. But I sometimes think how will I have enough time for another baby ect. Will we be able to afford one (I know we can but toys ect) Will I love the next one as much as this one and will my first baby miss out on anything.
What made it up for me is Puka herself. She keeps on kissing other babies on the lips and say baba. She loves them to bits. So definately decided to stick with our plan for just two.
Think about it were you ready for the first one? To make the changes ect. Perhaps you are not ready for number 2 yet. But that doesnt mean you will never be. We most propably will only ttc when she is 3. (original plan)
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Posted By: mum2emj
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 12:01pm
im with everyone... every family is different and you have to do whats best for your family.
after jade was born i decided i only wanted one child.... how could i possibly take any of my time away from my beautiful little girl??!!! i didnt know if i could love another baby the way i loved jade- i had never known love like i felt for jade, could it be shared??
i found myself pregnant with emma- it was a HUGE shock, i hadnt wanted it. the guilt continued- i wouldnt love this baby as much.... jade would feel sad...
well- emma was born, jade fell in love with her instantly, i fell in love with her... my love could be the same with both!!! in fact i think the love grew, if that was possible.
jade is coming up 5, emma 3.5 and of course kayla almost 1 year old. to me my little accident was the BEST thing that could of ever happened to me.
i watch all my girls playing happily, i watch them have friendships with each other... there is 3 lots of laughter in the house.... it is FANTASTIC! ok, it isnt always like chocolate and roses (yummy and pretty!!).... there are fights etc... but the good far outweighs any bad.
jade hasnt lost me or hubby she has gained 2 lifelong friends thats how i see it anyway. i could of just had jade and been better off financially but in my family, family is my first choice any day
no hurry for making decisions, you will know in your heart if your family feels complete or not... listen to it and know that if you do decide to have more caitlin wont miss out, she will gain a lifelong friend
all the best xxoo
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Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 12:41pm
I skipped reading all the replies but just wanted to say that you have to be sure... it's a big commitment and not one you can get out of easily!
And you've got time! You are pretty young right? And while some people might think a couple of years is the ideal age gap, there are pluses for bigger age gaps too... namely that having an older child means they are a whole lot more independent when the next one comes along! (Mind you, associated difficulties there too! )
Anyway, give yourself some time to really enjoy Caitlin. Now Hannah is older I am really glad I get to watch her becoming a little person while not being so sleep deprived and distracted myself.
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Posted By: Bombshell
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 12:46pm
I agree there is no hurry and things might settle down in many ways
DEb - you make me laugh out loud - i love it!!!
I have to say BSDH is not always the most supportive either and he has times when i want to kick him to the kurb, but that changes from day to day or month to month and i know he adores his little girl...and am sure your hubby does too - and probably has plenty of room in his heart for two bubbas.
I always wanted three but the way i do pregnancy im not even really sure i will make it to two...altho Ella deserves a sibling and im not too keen on an only child so will probably sacrfice 9 months and my health to get her one eventually....
its your call but make sure it is a call you make with hubby being ready too - BTW your little girl is so cute you guys must want another cutie eventually!
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 12:53pm
Why not wait and see how you feel in January? Caitlin will be that much older, you will have had Xmas etc off work to spend time with her so you will be able to re-evaluate things. And maybe it even means waiting a little longer again until Caitlin is at preschool, or even school, so that you'll have one on one time with the baby, and Caitlin will be ready for some independence.
Because the gremlins took so long to conceive we ended up with a bigger gap than we really wanted, but in hindsight it has been an absolute blessing. I did resent them while I was pregnant for making me so sick which had a big impact on my ability to care for Maya, and then for being so sick themselves and in and out of hospital etc. coz I felt like they were taking me away from her and I almost wanted to leave them in the hospital and just come home and have it be just me and Maya again.
But she absolutely adores her baby sisters, she loves doing things for them, and playing with them, and just seeing the way they look at her with big adoring eyes is so precious. And because she is older she goes to preschool and has her friends, her swimming lessons etc., none of which has changed since the gremlins arrived. If I had gotten pregnant when we first started TTC we would have had a much smaller gap and I don't know how either her or I would have coped with how difficult the pregnancy was.
But like I said, maybe forget about temping etc. for now (coz it really is a bore!) and re-evaluate things in a few months. And tell DH to get his act together or he can forget about having another one
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 The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 12:57pm
That is exactly how I feel (on the Pro side) Caitlin would gain so much from having a sibling. She's a very social child also but can be very demanding on our attention but what child isn't!?!?
And on the against side, I sometimes feels that the reasons DH & I aren't as good as before (since last trimester of PG) is my fault because I haven't got time for 2 relationships so concentrate all my efforts on Caitlin, so how could I love another child?!?!?
Even though he has his faults, I know a lot of it is me. I blame him having a cruddy paying job (inherted through family, so we're trapped into it) which has meant I had to go back to work when everything in my heart said I wasn't ready and shouldn't have gone back.
I know money isn't everything, but do you throw away everything you've worked for to make sure your family has a good life? I even suggested selling the house and down grading so that we could afford for me to stay home, but we bought 5 years ago when the market was good and we have (in our opinion) the perfect house & garden for a family. If we sold up, there is no way we could get anything more than a unit! So that's not an option at all.
I really don't know how you SAHMs do it and can afford to stay home?!?!?
As for DH's work situation, I said that I didn't want to have another baby the way things were with us as we never saw him and he was always putting work before family (in my opinion). He wants another baby because he's always wanted 2, that's all he has ever said on the matter "I want two children". So he met with his brother and their staff and made changes to make sure he could spend more time with me and Caitlin (nothing major, he just comes home and hour early 4 days a week.
We're not that young either. I'm 30 this month and DH is 38 in November. It took us 18mths to get pregnant this time so who knows with #2 after the CS (have heard that can affect things), so we haven't really got that long. I want to be young enough to have the energy to enjoy my children and totally agree with Nikki that it's nice to watch them grow into little people without watching through the haze of sleep deprivation etc.
The other thing which also "bothers" me is that I think Caitlin is as close to perfect as you can get (I allowed to say that, I'm her Mum!) but what if #2 is the demon spawn?!?! What if everything that is good about her is as bad about the other one? lol
I think the decision to have #2 is so much harder than the decision to have #1. With #1, you were told it was going to be life changing for the good and bad and you prepare as best you can etc. But with #2, you REALLY know what it's going to be like and assume it will be harder because they'll be two of them to deal with!
But on the pro side again, I look at that and think I've made it through the first year and I think I did it pretty well, sure there are things I would like to change (with working) and could have done better perhaps" so I have that and hindsight on my side.
But there is always a nagging reminder for me of when my friend got home from hospital with #2. Called me, sobbing down the phone "WHAT HAVE I DONE?!?!?!?"
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Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 1:51pm
Awwww Toni, this is a HUGE decision to make but you don't need to make it all now either. The decision to have another baby is really big and you if you decide to have a #2 then after that you may still wonder! Just some thoughts I had on your situation though:
* Is there anything you can do about your budget so that your work hours can go down? You sound rather over-worked in the sense of trying to work and be a mum and be a wife and all that... I know women can 'have it all' as it were, but do we really have to do it all at the same time? If you're really struggling with it, see if you can do anything to make it not necessary - or less. What about with a second child, would your family tax credits (if any) change? etc. You can't sell up but what about reducing debt? Revising the groceries? I dunno.
* If your DH isn't very supportive with one child, I'm a bit worried about two. My DH was studying, irregular and long hours, all that stuff, when we had our first and second babies, and it was really hard. But I got used to mothering Hannah by myself - in a way. Then Briona came along, silent reflux, full-on demanding and screaming baby, and I was exhausted. I couldn't do it by myself anymore and DH and I had a lot of long discussions (and fights ) about him helping me out around the home some more. (And at that time I was working but only 4-5 hours a week.)
* About temping, provided you aren't currently using that as contraception, could you just temp for a week (around ovulation) each month? Or temp every second month until November or something? There's no saying that you'll need to temp to TTC but I appreciate that it took longer than expected for Caitlin.
* What would it take for your DH to get a new job? I seriously think you guys should look at that. If it's not paying well (I'm presuming), has long hours and all that, and he's not even enjoying the work - then why do it? The longer he does, the harder it will be (in terms of his age) to work elsewhere. My DH recently got a new job and it has made a world of difference around here, because he is feeling a lot more satisfied in a better field of work.
* When I was pg with Briona (#2) I had the same feelings as you about "my Hannah" (Caitlin). But when you have another baby, even though your time is under more pressure (not double though, since you're already doing so many meals and stories in a day and they will soon play together), your heart actually expands.
And apart from that I guess it's just a big long discussion together.
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Posted By: james
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 2:01pm
aww hun you never know untill you try for me it would be a big gap between kids it i ever have another one and thats what i could handle i love wachting james grow up and dont want to miss this time with him its differnt for everyone listen to your heart it will tell you and hunny i,m 40 next year ther is still time we are not that old lol
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Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 2:18pm
40? No way! Definite key slip right? You meant 30?
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Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 2:19pm
We don't qualify for any benefits, apparently we have too much money?!?!?!
We have already changed as much as we can so that we can actually pay the bills. When budgeting for when I went on maternity leave my aim was to come back to work after 4mths PPL, 6mths maternity leave and 2 unpaid months (taking a whole year off) - we were over $1000 in arrears each month! So I compromised and took the 4mths PPL, and came back to work 3 days a week until last Xmas. Even that was really pinching our budget and we cleared out all savings, so now I'm working 4 days and working for Fuzzis :(
As for groceries, we fight about that one all the time! DH eats for 2 and always has (I hate how he stays skinny! grrr LOL) so food bills are huge even from Pak N Save.
We could do away with the internet at home but DH uses that to reduce his taxes and we're tied into another 6 months of it and I need it for my nappy sales job (My 3rd job!)
I think my DH is very set in his ways and can't get his head around how important it is to have family time on one of the weekend days! He always says he needs time to relax! So I yell back "just let me know when it's my turn!" :(
Don't get me wrong, even with all of my complaining he is a great Dad and adores Caitlin! It's just the old fashioned way he was brought up. His Dad and brother are much much worse!
The reason I'm temping is because if it does take us a long time again at least then I will have a decent amount of charts to show a specialist.
When we arrived in NZ (8 years ago) DH started working for his Dad answering phones until he got a proper job, he never really put that much effort in to finding another job and has stayed there. His brother is now back from overseas and has also bought into the business after their Dad retired last year, if DH quit then that would mean the workshop would close and his brother would also be without work! So DH is trapped. I know in the long term it's great that we have our own family business, but now when time counts it's awful and I've said many times that it's the worst thing that has ever happend to us! He hates his job, fights non-stop with brother over growing the company and all this stress really affects our relationship and there's nothing we can see that can be done about it as the business is making money but not enough to be able to make the changes they want/need.
Anyone got a spare wall I can bang my head on? Mine is worn out! :(
So with all that going on at his work, can you blame me for not wanting to have another baby now!
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Posted By: AnnC
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 2:20pm
i just want to say I understand what your thoughts are as although I have done the #2 and #3, I don't know about the #4. I have deicided (and my advise to you) is to give it a year, if i can't say YEP I DEF WANT #4 then thats it I won't. I must admit - I couldn't imagine only having one (even though at times I am sure life would of been a whole lot easier) Now that I have brooke and rhyley I don't want to imagine life with out them.. (incase i run away Lol No seriously though..)
I am no spring chickhen older than yourself. 30 isnt too old. So give it time, you dont need to rush into it. I would stop temping though and start maybe when you have a clearer view of what you want to do. But remember the decision is yours and your DH so talk it over with each other (I know you said he only says I want 2.. no ifs or buts) but make him listen to your concerns
Oh and if wondering if you could love another child just as much as Catlin - it is amazing how much love you can have for each child, mine just grows. (isn't it funny my one child friend said the same I just laughed)
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Also Mum to Josh (15) and Brooke (10)
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Posted By: Katherine
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 2:32pm
Toni, I can really relate to what you're saying, as I have many of the same feelings myself. Emma Rose was unplanned, so when I got over the shock of being pregnant, and then the shock of her birth, and then the shock of those first few months of sleep deprivation and "life as I knew it ending", I had pretty much decided that one was enough for me -- mainly because I couldn't see myself going through all of that again. Learning to be a parent has been very hard for me, and I know that I am not ready to learn to parent two children. I do feel clucky when I hold other people's babies, but I don't yet feel a strong pull toward having another one. My gut reaction is, "No, not yet, maybe not ever." Until that gut reaction changes, I'm going to stay on the birth control.
At the same time, my mother always said that loving another child was like lighting another candle -- you have twice the light. I don't necessarily think you have to be "certain" or "ready" to have a baby (or another baby), because if we all thought about it, who was REALLY in the "ideal" situation when they had their first child? I know I certainly wasn't. But even if I had been pregnant with my first child now, I still wouldn't be in the "ideal" situation. We're human, and we grow and adapt because we have to and because life demands it. Things never happen the way we plan for them to happen.
I think what the other ladies are saying is really valid -- you have to give yourself a break. Take the pressure off yourself. I don't know if giving yourself a deadline to decide whether to conceive is even the best thing to do, because you might feel the same ambivalence in January that you do now, and then you'd feel even MORE pressure to make a decision.
It also sounds like your husband's work situation is a big factor in your thought process, feeling like you never see him and feeling somewhat caught by his attitude toward the number of children he wants. Are you able to sit down with him and explore the possibilities? Find out WHY he's so set on having two kids? Is it a "white picket fence" dream where he feels like if he has two kids, he's fulfilling some sort of societal measurement of success? Why would be opposed to only having one child? Maybe if you can flesh these things out, without getting too emotional about it (because it is an emotional topic, but if you can keep it on the neutral side while you talk, you might learn more), that would give you some insights into his dreams and goals and ideals.
Big giant hugs, Toni, and by the way, this is all my opinion, so please don't be offended -- take what you want and leave the rest. 
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Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 2:36pm
40?!?!?!? NO WAY!!!!! That must have been a typo I reckon
I've always thought you were really young Lu, like mid-twenties at the most (not that I'm calling you immature or anything!) *time to stop digging that hole Toni!*
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 2:53pm
Two Blondinis wrote:
His brother is now back from overseas and has also bought into the business after their Dad retired last year, if DH quit then that would mean the workshop would close and his brother would also be without work! So DH is trapped. |
Well see your not looking at the bigger picture. Hes not trapped. if he wasnt working in the workshop they would have to hire someone else. And maybe if it isnt making that much money anyway both brothers need to decide wether it is worth keeping it going or not.
Now are you sure that you dont earn enough to get a family tax credit? i found that if i worked it out on their online calculator we didnt qualify but when i sent in application forms i did...they dont give you quite all the info you need online. there is also accommodation allowance (i dont have any info about them tho but you can get them if you are paying a mortgage too)
also some major changes are coming up at the mo - you are having a birthday (sure i've got that right?!) your daughter is turning one, its winter and that does terrible things to the mind what with being so cold and miserable, you taking your temp everyday, caitlin's been sick... so like i said maybe taking a month off charting and even thinking about another baby might help. have July off - its a busy month anyway - and see how you feel later.
YOU DONT HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION RIGHT NOW!!!! Even if you put it off for another 2 months you will still be on track for TTC in Jan.
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 3:00pm
Wow, just as an aside - i was playing with the IRD websites calculator re family tax credits and i put in one child and 60,000 per year before tax and it came back i would be allowed $43 - BUT when i put 2 kids it went up to $100. off to see what a diff 3 kids makes.
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Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 3:02pm
Katherine wrote:
It also sounds like your husband's work situation is a big factor in your thought process, feeling like you never see him and feeling somewhat caught by his attitude toward the number of children he wants. Are you able to sit down with him and explore the possibilities? Find out WHY he's so set on having two kids? Is it a "white picket fence" dream where he feels like if he has two kids, he's fulfilling some sort of societal measurement of success? Why would be opposed to only having one child? |
He's the typical "old fashioned male" and thinks he NEEDS the white picket fence dream lifestyle! When we were having Caitlin and didn't know we were having a girl a really didn't matter what she/he was. I ask him now what his preferance would be and he says "a boy of course" like I'd asked him if he needed to breathe today That's an extreme but that's how he thinks. His family have a very old fashioned view on life and his parents were disgusted I was going back to work so early, that was until I told them that the way they had run the business into the ground before insisting their sons (both with kids) take over, that it had left us no choice! Like I said before, it;s the worst decision he has ever made and it was never really a decision, he was forced into it because that was what his Dad wanted
Wow! This thread has turned into a therapy session with everything coming out
I feel a bit better for it, so thanks for all of your advice and kind words. The more I think about it and "talk" it through I still believe that one child is enough for me. I agree that no one is truely ready for their 1st (certainly not financially) and we are certainly not financially ready for #2, which would mean I would have to go back to work early again
DH and I need to sit down and really think hard on this, it's so difficult not to get so emotional though. We've touched on the topic before and I felt like I was taking DH's dream and stamping on it for my benefit
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Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 3:05pm
Debs, we sent off all the info to IRD - they told us we got $5 extra a week
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Posted By: AnnC
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 3:08pm
mite be more this year with it going up.
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Also Mum to Josh (15) and Brooke (10)
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 3:12pm
Hugs! Life can be confusing sometimes huh. May I add some thoughts?
I absolutely understand where you are coming from as after having such a hard baby I'm petrified of number 2. We haven't made any decisions yet but here are some of my thoughts. Firstly, I always thought I'd like to have 3 kids, reasonably close together in age so that they can be friends (ok so the jury is out on whether all siblings are friends or not). On the other hand, the thought of a small toddler and a baby is mind blogling. I'm trying to work out where I'd like us to be in 5 years time e.g. do I see us with 2 kids that are close together in age or am I happy with just one...or two that are not so close together? Sometimes knowing what you want in the mid to long term can help with decisions now. For example, if somone decides they really would like to have kids 2 years apart, they may need to put comfort (and sleep etc) aside in the short-term in order to realise the long term goal. On the other hand, if you know you only want 1 child then you may need to put aside the clucky feelings until such time as your long term vision changes / the clucky feelings subside.
Obviously there are other considerations but trying to look ahead to where you want to be can help clear the haze during times of confusion.
Hope that makes some sense!!! :)
Marriage can be tough...anytime that 2 individuals try to do life together challenges always emerge. Hang in there :)
------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 3:14pm
With the business does it HAVE to stay in the family?? A friend of my parents had a joinery business and he sold it but stayed on and worked as the manager therefore not having the stress of running the business and being able to work a normal 9-5 and knowing there is going to be money coming in each week. Now they are really happy. Don't worry about the in laws I went back to work when Andrew was 2 months old (I was a casual as soon as the PPL finished) and worked 3 4 hour shifts in the evening and then went fulltime when he was 5 months old.
With having Josh we are so far better off financially due the family assistance rate (goes up heaps with 2 children) so even thou you can only get $5 now after the 2nd it might be $50 and $50 a week is better than a kick in the butt!!!
------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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Posted By: Bizzy
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 3:16pm
Two Blondinis wrote:
Debs, we sent off all the info to IRD - they told us we got $5 extra a week  |
but dont forget it will go up if you have two...and maybe if you qualify for that small amount but hubbys income is changeable you could ask for it to be paid out yearly and you might get a surprise..!!
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Posted By: pepsi
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 3:20pm
I don't really have anything different to add....and I agree it sounds like waiting it out to see how you feel later on is a great idea cause 30 definitely isn't too old
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Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 4:04pm
Deb - I think you're onto it
FionaS - I sometimes put myself into babysitting situations with a child a year older than mine, to give me a feel for what I'm in for!
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Posted By: james
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 4:46pm
Two Blondinis wrote:
40?!?!?!? NO WAY!!!!! That must have been a typo I reckon
I've always thought you were really young Lu, like mid-twenties at the most (not that I'm calling you immature or anything!) *time to stop digging that hole Toni!* |
hehehehe no 30 next year not looking forwrad to it lol
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Posted By: Bombshell
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 5:16pm
bugger thought there was finally someone on here older than me....
Toni - your Dh sounds like mine in many many ways...I know he "expects" a boy next time...I cant promise that and my preference has always been a girl. And his work ethic is very similar - he is loyal, work concious and obviously family oriented....BUT you both need to sit down and work out if that is going to work long term for you and YOUR family. - be it the three of you or more....
We dont qualify for anything at all either and know it can sometimes be a struggle - life will reward you in other ways. and i do agree with Deb - winter and July always get me down....SAD (seasonal affective disorder) kicks in I am sure - and for some reason all bills come due in JULY!!! go figure....get trhough winter etc and see what changes come
and lastly - heres a BIG HUG!!!
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Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 5:39pm
Thanks Ro, it's nice to know it's not just my DH (although Mum tells me all the time that my Dad is the same, I just don't see it)
Blardy men, aye! Can't live with 'em and... nup can't live with 'em
james wrote:
Two Blondinis wrote:
40?!?!?!? NO WAY!!!!! That must have been a typo I reckon
I've always thought you were really young Lu, like mid-twenties at the most (not that I'm calling you immature or anything!) *time to stop digging that hole Toni!* |
hehehehe no 30 next year not looking forwrad to it lol |
I didn't think you were 40! lol
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 8:11pm
Can't live with em and can't throw them in front of a bus?
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Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 8:32pm
Well you know we really struggled with this question, but have obviously changed our minds!
I think I had talked myself out of having another cos I didnt want to go through pregnancy and birth again. I had always seen myself with 3 or 4 kids, but I am pretty sure that I will be happy with 2 now. What finally changed it for us was having a BIG discussion about where we see ourselves as a family in a few years - basically we really did want more kids and we just didnt see ourselves with just the one. We went to a wedding a few months back and the guy getting married had 2 brothers quite close in age. Seeing them together and all the stories/memories they had was so lovely to see. I never had that growing up as my siblings were 11 and 13 years older than me, so grew up like an only child, and I dont want Hannah growing up like that.
I have moments where I think what have I done, life is so good at the moment, but mostly I am really excited about the new baby and I am also treating it as the last time I will be preggy (unless we get a surprise later on!). Making the decision to have #2 is soooooo much harder than the first time, and you will probably never be 100% ready cos its going into the unknown again. If you really want another baby you will know deep down inside.
------------- Aimee
Hannah 22/10/05
Greer 11/02/08
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Posted By: Rachael21
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 8:49pm
I just wanted to add in it is so much easier 2nd time around because your not always second guessing everything but then its harder because of baby number one needing a lot of attention when your tired.
Also my DP wasn't the most helpful with Jack but this time round he is amazing. He helps out heaps with baby and will take Jack out when I'm having a hard time entertaining him.
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Posted By: linda
Date Posted: 09 July 2007 at 9:41pm
Hey, is there someone else out there who's 40?
We are in the process of talking about #3 - I am keen but DH is not so keen, he is happy with his two boys. We will only try for #3 if DH changes his mind and he has to hurry as the clock is ticking. We both work full time but share everything 50/50....otherwise for us it wouldn't work.
Good luck
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Posted By: james
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 9:00am
Two Blondinis wrote:
Thanks Ro, it's nice to know it's not just my DH (although Mum tells me all the time that my Dad is the same, I just don't see it)
Blardy men, aye! Can't live with 'em and... nup can't live with 'em
james wrote:
Two Blondinis wrote:
40?!?!?!? NO WAY!!!!! That must have been a typo I reckon
I've always thought you were really young Lu, like mid-twenties at the most (not that I'm calling you immature or anything!) *time to stop digging that hole Toni!* |
hehehehe no 30 next year not looking forwrad to it lol |
I didn't think you were 40! lol
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i,m glad you did think i was 40 i was just thinking i should book my self into the docs for a wee lift lol
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Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 10:58am
I spoke to Hubby last night and I was so shocked at his reaction!
"If you're having seconds thoughts then we should definitely not even think about it until you are 100% sure"
This is from Mr "we need to have 2 kids" just 2 months ago!
I also said that it was a bad idea what with HIS current work situation! and was met with silence.
I'm reading between the lines and figure that he's not ready to change his life/work to make way for 2 kids and me needing more support from him
So I'll carry on temping until the end of this cycle and then leave it until December or something and then re-evaluate where we are in our relationship and my attitude to it and also if I still feel the same about another baby.
Thank you all for your kind words and advice. This is not an easy time for me (and I was sure DH was going to hit the roof when I said I'd changed my mind) so the support from you all is very much appreciated
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Posted By: pepsi
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 11:08am
Glad to hear you don't have that pressure from him to worry about now Toni. Geez and they say it's us women who constantly change our minds!
Look, ultimately if your chat didn't go well and he hit the roof, don't worry...I would have helped you bury him in the back yard
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Posted By: Deez
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 11:24am
LOL Pepsi
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Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 12:05pm
OMG! You read my mind!
I was going to post "will you all visit me in jail"
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 12:47pm
I am pleased that you and DH are on the same page.
I will also lend a spade should the need arise!
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Posted By: aimeejoy
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 2:13pm
How about a freezer?
------------- Aimee
Hannah 22/10/05
Greer 11/02/08
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Posted By: fattartsrock
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 9:18pm
we've got a grouse wood burner....
------------- The Honest Un PC Parent of 2, usually stuck in the naughty corner! :P
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Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 9:44pm
STOP IT! It's all getting too tempting!
Especially after he came home late AGAIN! So much for my compromise of 1 late night and 4 at reasonable hours!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10 July 2007 at 10:55pm
I've got a shovel too, just need to dust the dirt off... sorry I didn't weigh in before Toni - but I wasn't sure I could improve on what had already been said ! It sounds like you're part way there with DH though, but I guess it could take a while longer on the work-related front.
We are still pretty sure we want a 2nd, but after that I have NO idea - will have to cross that bridge when we get there.
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