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Topic: Baby led weaning Posted: 17 July 2009 at 11:23am |
ok, tell me about this. I have googled it and read the wikipedia definition. Some of it sounds like its just a new "en vogue" way of doing what we are pretty much already doing....some of it makes sense. I am far too lazy to do thorough research but was wanting your opinions....both for and against....and I can see this leading to strong opinions.
SO is it worthwhile....or a crock?
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 11:53am |
Totally worthwhile, and all just common sense!  I'm lazy and it was so so sooo much easier than all that pureeing that everyone else did. Just make sure you're eating healthy stuff yourself (which you will be already) and give bubs some of what you're all having when bubs is ready. That means putting off introducing solids for a while longer than most people do but that's in line with WHO guidelines anyway. I've heard the difference explained nicely, BLW is learning to chew before you learn to swallow, whereas "normal" weaning is learning to swallow before you learn to chew.
I thoroughly recommend Gill Rapley's book, it was my bible when we were starting out. (Actually, I'd be happy to lend it to you if you want! I'll be in Queenstown next weekend...)
I assume you've seen me link to the BLW forums before  The website set up to publicise the book ( link here) also has some good info.
I'm quite a logical person (normally  ) and the scientific/developmental basis for it made sense to me.
I'm not knocking "normal" introduction of solids - it's just for people with more patience than me! But for the record (mummy brag alert), having done BLW, JJ will eat anything happily, and is a tidier eater than almost any other kids his age I've seen. And no, he's never choked on anything, just gagged a little a couple of times. It's all part of the learning process! It has been really good for his fine motor development too. Another thing I've personally noticed is that he doesn't seem to put random other things into his mouth nearly as much as other kids his age - he seems to know when something is food or when it isn't.
Thank you so much to bizzy for introducing me to it in the first place
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 12:03pm |
also, I found this thread useful when I was reading up about it
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 12:04pm |
nzpiper wrote:
Some of it sounds like its just a new "en vogue" way of doing what we are pretty much already doing.... |
If what you are already doing is prioritising milk, waiting till baby is ready to feed himself real food (no puree, ideally a bit of what you're already eating if it's healthy) and getting on with eating your own meal while he does, then it's perfect. No worries about how much goes in, it's an enjoyable, low-key way to intoduce solids.
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 12:12pm |
I have looked into this a little and I do agree with the developmental ideas behind it. I just find it hard to trust that he is eating enough. And as he only just got his first tooth in the past week, it has been quite hard for him to eat more solider foods,
In saying that, i usually always offer him a sandwich or toast before I give hi mashed foods, currently he is eating last nights mac 'n' cheese, and he always gets things like crackers andapple slices. And also I never really pureed his food, just mashed it.
I definately think it sounds like a good idea, I think I would need to be abit more confident about it
And I know that milk should be the priority, its just that he isn't the best BFer at the best of times
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 12:13pm |
Oh yeah monster I forgot to add that - it is FUN!
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 3:22pm |
I'm wondering if its what I did with Tom anyway. Sure I started with pureed but moved to mashed very quickly...through laziness and I know Tom was one of the first in my coffee group to be on finger foods...again laziness on my behalf. So maybe I was ahead of myself
Maybe the answer is to just go with the flow regarding food???
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 3:24pm |
oh and thanks for all thelinks....I will get off my lazy butt and read them when I can work out just what /james is wanting at the moment....boob? sleep? play? come on boy.....spell it out for mummy!
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 6:40pm |
No, one of the main principles of BLW is that you don't put anything in baby's mouth - that's a choking hazard. They only eat what they put in their mouths themselves, so if you have to give them something sloppy, you have to load up a spoon and give it to them. (The book puts it well - says something like, if someone put something in your mouth and you didn't know what it was, your first instinct would be to take it out and look at it to see what it was.) If they feed themselves they're able to inspect it and they learn faster what sort of chewing/swallowing etc is required for different types of food.
It is very very messy so if you're going to do it invest in a nice easy to clean highchair and get a plastic mat to put underneath it
Even Plunket says you can give finger foods from 6 months so in effect all you're doing is delaying the introduction of solids until then and totally skipping the pureed/mashed stages. There is a real element of letting go, and remembering that they're getting most of their nutrition from their milk feeds anyway (until at least 8 months) - food is essentially just a form of messy play until around 12 months. "Food is for fun until they're one"
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 8:05pm |
Yep, there's no need for them to have spoonfuls of anything that you wouldn't eat with a spoon yourself, so just load up spoons for things like yoghurt, soup, etc, and hand them over for bubs to do it themselves.
I've heard a few people talk about doing a 'mix' of standard weaning and blw - it doesn't really work that way. If you're using purees and mash, then add some finger foods too from an early age, that's all good, but it's not blw. The point of blw is that there is no need for purees/mash. If the baby can't pick up a solid piece of food and gum, chew, then swallow it - then the baby is not ready for it yet. Milk is enough, food is extra. It's about letting baby explore at his/her own pace and trusting that milk is enough until they get the hang of it.
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 8:14pm |
I agree with all of Weegee's comments - BLW is fun, easy (what I liked best was that we could all sit down together to eat, rather than having to feed her first), and very much commonsense. The only downside is the mess but you get used to it.
It's natural to feel a bit concerned that your baby isn't getting enough food (I resorted to topping her up with purees a few times, early on, which was a really bad idea) but one look at Clara would have you thinking differently - where as a baby in CG whose mother was the last to introduce finger foods became iron deficient...
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 9:32pm |
lol! weegee you said it all... and so well too.
i loved it and it certainly is a lot more feeing than having to do purees. the thing i liked most was that it was all at edens pace and i never felt i was forcing her to eat anything. so much easier... go baby-led weaning!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 11:11pm |
I'm currently reading the book by Gill Rapley. And it's just so logical!
I'm definately going to go this way. It fits in very well with my other ideas/practices of parenting.
The hardest part is probably having to explain all the time why I haven't started solids yet, and making sure that when she starts daycare next month they will not feed her any mashed food.
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 11:43pm |
I agree Ella - it's especially good if you're breastfeeding on demand - again, as the book says, why give our babies control over when and how much to feed for their milk, but take that control away from them when it comes to solids? I found it easy to fob people off by saying "oh yes we've tried lots of different foods" without elaborating if they weren't the type that would be receptive to my evangelising, although as time has gone on I tend to spread the word a bit more  (hence my rabid posting in this thread! sorry I'll shut up now!)
I didn't have any problems with daycare - briefly explained the rationale, and actually JJ's primary carer was really interested so I lent her the book to read in her own time. They said "ok so basically you just want him given toddler food?" and that was it - no worries!
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Posted: 17 July 2009 at 11:53pm |
One last post and then I'll go away! One of the things about doing BLW is that you take lots of photos of your baby eating random things
Here he is at 6 months quite happily chomping away on some watermelon
and 7 months happily putting away a bread roll
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Posted: 18 July 2009 at 7:03am |
hahaha, Kyle is doing this whether I like it or not as he has a total spoon problem.
Nikki I put a vid on facebook of him going at a carrot stick  He's also trying rice crackers and casava crisps and yesterday he sampled one of Spencer's potato sticks...lol
Oh I have a messy mat under the table already, put it there when we moved Spencer to the big boy chair.
I loved the mess of giving Spencer finger food, I have so many pics of him in the highchair covered in food. I guess missing out the purees won't be too much of an issue.
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Posted: 18 July 2009 at 9:19pm |
I can't wait to start BLW! And I've even convinced my sister, who has one very very fussy 4yr old who was weaned 'normally'.
Makes total sense and you explain it so well Weegee!
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Posted: 18 July 2009 at 11:06pm |
i didnt know anything about BLW when henry was younger. He started solids at four and a half months, by grabing some mashed potato off my plate and eating it  i was shocked to say the least. I notice that BLW seems to say to wait until their older before offering solids - could someone explain why? Henry has always eaten what we eat, im not saying we did BLW but im quite fascinated with it tbh. We feed henry some things from a spoon - what would benefit if we let him do this himself? How do you know when your child is done? henry never seems to be finished.
Hmm this isnt coming out quite how i want it to. Im not trying to sound judgemental, i dont know much about this and would genuienly like to know.
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Posted: 19 July 2009 at 10:42am |
you can do BLW earler, but it certainly heps if the child can sit unassisted before feeding them anyway. for me it was all about letting her explore her own food, if i spoon fed her she would spit it out to look at it and touch it anyway so what was the point... and if a child learnt to spoon feed themselves it would certainly be a good thing. i think that the process behind it was to give the spoon to the child so they can put it in their own mouths, instead of someone trying to force it into their mouth. developmentally BLW is a great idea- hand eye coordination benefits, speech is directly linked to babies learning to eat and chew... exploration... all great aspects of BLW.
oh and i remember eden as a not even 7 mth old eating sushi...she loved it!
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Posted: 19 July 2009 at 11:02am |
Joel has only had yogurt, custard and cereal from a spoon the rest he feeds himself...has done with finger foods since 6 months. We have had no choking or gagging either. He is much better at a variety of foods compared to Leah at the same age and with her we did the purees etc.
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