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Yay storm! It looks a bit darker than your others. .. I think that's a good sign. All the best in these next few days. I hope you keep posting darker and darker pics for us all to be envious of :-)
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Hey ladies, it has been a while.. I see there have been some graduates, congratulations.

I got a spot on the list for IVF, initially it was June 16, but I have been brought forwards to April 2016. It's sh*t, considering I went on the List in august. But Hamilton can only see 25 public patients a month. So I have to wait my turn.

My husband and I had a week holiday in Phuket mid November, it was nice to have some time away. In February I start study to be a hairdresser.

I have seen a Dr here who was a GP, but now specialises in womens health and has awesome knowledge of lots of things that impact how we work. She's concerned a lot of my health issues (including the infertility/wacky hormones) are stemming from my gut issues. So I have had to go Gluten free, Dairy free, reduce sugar..

She also asked I start temping, and as a result of that, I've noticed that my body temperatures are quite low. Anyone here still charting who could let me know what's normal etc? My basal temps are 35.9-36.1 degrees. During the day I'm barely getting past that, either. TIA on that one.

Hope you've all been well x
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Oh storm I didn't look at the test but man oh man I hope this is the lucky one girl!!!! Everything is crossed for you hun.
Beaker that is one fricking long wait chick! I think it's just ridiculous to have to wait that long really.

Hugs and hi to all others. Off to mow my hay paddock lawn lol put diesel in the mower last week so that put paid to what was already a week behind....ugh. Quick q about messaries.....do they normally cause cramps?
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Yeah I think it's a long time to wait too, BC. It's awful. I get to decide between studying and renovating my house, or having no life for a while to fund an IVF cycle, which in turn could disrupt my study, and potentially for nothing. It's hard, I stopped living my life and I am finally starting to live it again, but I have to sacrifice to have a chance at something that seems to come so easily to others. I want a baby, but I don't want that at the expense of a half finished house I can't afford to renovate with no guarantees of a baby for that exchange..
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Beaker - I feel your pain. We had a 17 mth wait, which we've done 10 mths of now - at least for us we were on the list at the very start of the year, so our funding comes through next year rather than having year year increase by two digits. Using the time to improve my health as much as possible though has really helped me feel like I'm 'doing something'. I think just getting on and doing life rather than putting anything on hold is the best for emotional wellbeing I've certainly found.
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Mushroom - I have definitely felt better since I just decided to get on with life. I am looking forward to studying, I am planning to go to Australia next year and meet a friend there for the first time. I'm trying to get healthier too, I didn't really realise how unhealthy I'd let myself get until a few weeks ago. I have to make better on that now. Has your wait reduced by much? I hope it rolls around a bit sooner for you :)
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Thanks ladies! I can't help but worry, but it's nice to know you are all here hoping for me
A.girl *waves* I can't tell if it's any darker LOL cause I have no idea what DPO I am. I really thought I was only 9 and if so, then it's def darker than it has been before! Off to my GP tomorrow for bloods.

BC - yup Messaries are common to cause cramps. I certainly had them every time I used them. GL! It's so exciting you are getting your transfer this year, fingers crossed for some great xmas news for you!

Beaker wow!! That wait is just crazy! These long waits are so ridiculous when you first have to wait a certain amount of years before even going on the list! As for your temp question, I have been told in the past by both FA and the naturopath I was seeing, that it doesn't indicate anything if you are always low. I'm always at 35.9 - 36.1 pre OV, and only really get up to 36.5 at the most, after OV.
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Yeah it's pretty nutty hey. And I had to wait til I had had my lap to get the endo diagnosis before going on the list so I had enough points to qualify. And Thanks on the temps :) GL for your bloods tomorrow
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Storm YAY congrats hun, can understand your apprehension but hopefully this is finally it for you xxxx keep us posted! 
Beaker wow that wait is sooo long! but good you know where you stand now and can make plans to keep yourself occupied until then.

re: temps, my temps are usually around that- lately they have been higher (since my mc really) but i still managed to concieve both DD and my angel with BBTs of around 35.8-36 and all over the place, even with clomid! so if thats normal for you then i guess its all good :) 
so no ov for me, was just a random fluke high temp. so day 26 and no sign of nothing. but totally amped for my appointment next week, dreading to think of what the wait times are for IVF etc here..but hopefully it wont come to that. 

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Thanks for that info Storm. Just cramp for an hour or so after they're in then sweet as.

Beaker I would not put your life on hold at. I so recommend just getting on with what you're doing and keeping yourself busy during the waiting time - if you think you can. I get where you're coming from in terms of putting it on hold for potentially nothing (although hope not nothing!!!), its the reason I dove in to applying for a new job 12mths ago even though we were just about to do ivf number 1. Thankfully I did because here I am still ttc but in a much better place work wise. Unfortunately life throws stupid curve balls at every corner.
Gosh that sounded rather pessimistic didn't it...sorry. Whatever you do will be worth it in the long run.

Feeling a bit high on the emotional side thanks to all these dang hormones floating around. Focussed on keeping it together until at least work finishes lol.
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Nah BC I know what you mean. I had put my life on hold, and I've finally stopped, and I can't go back to living that way. We've certainly decided it is public or nothing. The counselor at FA was helpful we made a chart for advantages/disadvantages. We decided we will take our two funded IVF, and not pursue it after that. The choices thing was meant more that the choice we have isn't just "do or don't I have a baby" like it is for fertile people. Those things were choices we had to make in our life though, but my health and having a new career are so much more important than living in the limbo.

I am hoping studying will keep me busy, and I may look at going into an apprenticeship if there is a good one around.
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Congrats Storm, that is a fine BFP indeed ClapHug Star So thrilled for you honey. I have everything crossed for you!

Nice to see familiar handles in here Hi Mushroom, Soda, Beaker, Mikki. While I'm sorry that you have had to join the 'we are patiently (and sometimes not so patiently for our little beans of joy club) it is nice to have lovely people to keep time with.  

I have had a ongoing conversation about fertility with a lady who lives in my community and who runs a store. This has included lots of advice about how to approach BD and other stuff. Today when I went in she was beaming. Yup, A BFP... a very secret BFP that she has told no one about yet. So jolly thrilled for her. I will not lie and say that I didn't feel a little twinge (not like me at all, normally it doesn't happen), sitting here on  somewhere on 10-13 dpo and one bloody line keeps showing. Bah! Oh well, here is to Christmas BFP's :-)


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TTC our 3rd child 5+ yrs. Self-funding. Over 55 medicated cycles. 3 m/c's iuis, ivf with ICSI fresh BFN, 1 FET BFN. PCOS horrible. Endo and adhesions from c-sects resected. DH few wrigglers. FAITH!
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You're right beaker you have to draw the line somewhere for sanity sakes.

Hugs ht, twinges of 'meh' are normal as you well know. Sometimes I walk round with an invisible force field around me that means I barely acknowledge yet another persons pregnancy announcement now (IRL). I just can't deal any more lol. And since I'm at a place where nothing surprises me it's pretty easy :)
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Beaker if you don't mind me asking, what are your gut issues? A naturopath told me to also go gluten, dairy, soy and sugar free, which I did for a while but have got very slack over the past 2 years! I'm thinking I should get a bit stricter on myself before our next Ivf in January!!
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Hey Charlie. I have IBS as a symptom. I saw a naturopath and she said dairy was a problem. I did it for a bit and my ibs got better and my eczema cleared, but it was too hard so I stopped. I just starting seeing a new Dr who is a GP but now specialises in women's health. She believes I have an overgrowth or disrupted gut flora called SIBO, causing leaky gut type stuff, which is in turn disrupting my liver and my hormones, causing IBS etc (as apparently your gut is your second brain, if you want to google it).. Dairy and gluten are inflammatory and feed the bad bacteria, also not good for endo (particularly the dairy). She has also recommended I do a "preconception detox" which involves reducing sugar, no gluten, no diary, liver detox etc which apparently can help increase IVF success. But that is a 3-4 month process. Let me know if there is anything else you want to know :)
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*waves* back to HT. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all get Christmas pressies....

I think I'm actually lucky to have grown up dairy-free (I used to puke anything with dairy within 10 s as a toddler, it didn't take long for my parents to learn!). Makes me happy not eating it, though icecream is my biggest temptation (hate cheese, so no problem there which is the biggie for most). You can get lactose-free anchor milk now though, which is something that milk-lovers can try. I'm also using Natvia instead of sugar in things like coffee, which is actually pretty nice - worth a try if you're going dairy free!


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M/C 2012, clomid 2013, IVM 2014, IVF 2015, M/C 2015
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This morning is the day I am going to FAW! My appointment is with Dr Simon McDowell. He specialises in:

laparoscopic management of menstrual disorders
female infertility
pelvic pain including endometriosis.

Can you tell if someone has those from blood tests? Does seeing him mean I have one of those?

I am so nervous and so excited. But mainly nervous.

Storm: Yahhhhh!!
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That is a really, really long wait Beaker. I hope it flies by.

I saw this last night and thought it was really interesting reading.

http://www.sarahwilson.com/?s=baby&x=0&y=0

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**Lurker In**

Bambeana...I had Simon McDowell for all my surgery before we had to move onto IVF .... He's so so lovely!   I had the laparoscopic surgery, which included scraping the scarring in uterus and all sorts, to check for my problems, where he found the blocked tubes and fixed everything else. I don't have Endo or anything else wrong.    My bloods showed me to be perfectly healthy with no obvious fertility issues, and hubby the same.   We got referred to FA because our bloods showed nothing obvious, other than we couldn't get pregnant, yet easily got pregnant with our first, and then their tests were exactly the same. No issues.   His nurses are lovely too, especially Laura (who still rings me to see how the pregnancy is going!)

Hope that helps...   Best of luck! Ask lots of questions - he's really good at working you through every question and concern...   I didn't see him again once we started IVF, but I kept his nurses with me since they had our history - so that was good :-)

Waves to everyone else! Yay for the BFP Storm.. I really hope this is the one for you.. and best of luck BC for your transfer... I hope you have a BFP from Santa xxx

We just got our letter from FA yesterday congratulating us on our pregnancy and dropping us from the public wait list, for obvious reasons.... LOL...

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Thanks bambeana, I hope it flies by too!

That article is a bit biased.. tbh, she wasn't healthy.. it doesn't look like she was in a good physical condition to conceive - she had lost her periods because she was underweight, over-exercised and too little body fat. That's the only reason she was "infertile". All those things she did were necessary for her to get her period back, and be able to conceive. I don't think she was ever at a point where she needed medical intervention like IUI or IVF, she just needed to get healthy so she could resume normal menstruation and THEN see if she had any effects causing infertility (which clearly, she didn't.. 15months from starting the changes is still in the normal time frame for 80-95% of people to conceive if she wasn't trying prior to that). Sorry, I would just take some of that stuff written in that blog with a grain of salt.. edit to add: if you aren't in the same position, I mean. for most of us there is no need to really do any of that stuff.

Just wanted to add.. I'm not trying to be a dick or take away from her experience, just that it's a very different experience to what a lot of us go through.

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